The hypocracy of PVP [Archive] - EQ2 Forum Archive @ EQ2Wire

Pumancat

03-12-2008, 02:57 PM

I read all the time of how the majority of players claim they find the so called " non challenging " style of PVP boring. I mean the group vs 1, raid vs group, etc. But seems the opposite is the truth. Everyday on Venekor at least I see the same crap gank groups flying around the same zones constantly looking for, and dropping on solos and killing them with no chance of them fighting back. If someone does attempt to fight them back, in most cases, they'll either bring others to come gank them again, or they'll just evac away to wait for their timers to recharge. This crap is on both sides as I've observed. Yet you still claim to want good PVP, and don't approve of this style of PVP.If so, then why always have to use lame tactics, or gank solos constantly but evac out when equal forces come to fight, etc.? You're being a hypocrite. You're NOT PVPers when all you do is run around killing solos with your group of 3+. And now you're claiming that these raid vs raid battles are a waste, but I still see them taking place for the sake of kicking out writs as fast as possible, and obtaining as many tokens than even when they were body drops. I am enemies with a certain player, cause all I've ever seem him and his wife play is their guild/group do nothing but farm instances, then come out once in awhile to hunt and gank solos, but when fair fight group comes, poof! they gone back into instance. All they claim is that they were on their way to the instance and the solo got in their way, BullS**t. And he claims to be against raid PVP and such BS tactics.So ok, let's hear about duels. Sure, I'm gonna come duel you so you can show off all your cool clicky items and god powers while wearing the better gear you got from farming tokens from solo greens and blues eh? Yeah right. And you still claim that's too lame for you to do, but you're still there doing it. The majority of players on this game are hypocrites and liars. You don't want good PVP as your playstyle proves different. You want to just run around with what some call over powered/ over advantaged toons and just roll over anything close to what could've been considered good competition. Granted, there ARE some few exceptions, but still, the majority of the time you see them in a group rolling solos.Like I said, on Venekor all I see is the same gank group players in slightly different variations of the same gank group makeups, doing the same things, ganking/jumping/slaughering smaller number groups or solos, then leaving when the real competition arrives, or forming raids to come, whatever, just so they don't have to try and PVP on an equal basis.OK, rant over, My account expires 4-3- 08. Goodbye, and GL with the BS you call PVP. I'm bored of this game and the BS you call PVP. Don't ask for my stuff cause it already going to a couple people that will put it to good use and they are very good PVPers both in group and solo. Anarcheru - 80 Bruiser Nyarlath - 77 wizard Venekor server

Grol

03-12-2008, 02:59 PM

Can I have your.. oh..wait..[Removed for Content].Have fun with whatever game you play, if any, next!

Natilee

03-12-2008, 03:12 PM

<cite>Grolne@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Can I have your.. oh..wait..[I cannot control my vocabulary].</blockquote>[Removed for Content]!Dude. I want his stuff.

Zexybeast

03-12-2008, 03:20 PM

I hate when my group evacs. Just earlier today, I had to yell at a scout that evacced after everyone else had engaged. That said, being a solo out in an open zone is an invitation to be killed. I realize there are certain circumstances where you have to be that way, harvesting etc, but when you are out solo, expect and understand that you will be rolled. The fix is to group up. Since you are on the Freeport side, I can guarantee that you will have at least one group that will fight back when you do so.

Wytie

03-12-2008, 03:33 PM

<cite>Pumancat wrote:</cite><blockquote> I read all the time of how the majority of players claim they find the so called " non challenging " style of PVP boring. I mean the group vs 1, raid vs group, etc. But seems the opposite is the truth. Everyday on Venekor at least I see the same crap gank groups flying around the same zones constantly looking for, and dropping on solos and killing them with no chance of them fighting back. If someone does attempt to fight them back, in most cases, they'll either bring others to come gank them again, or they'll just evac away to wait for their timers to recharge. This crap is on both sides as I've observed. Yet you still claim to want good PVP, and don't approve of this style of PVP.If so, then why always have to use lame tactics, or gank solos constantly but evac out when equal forces come to fight, etc.? You're being a hypocrite. You're NOT PVPers when all you do is run around killing solos with your group of 3+. And now you're claiming that these raid vs raid battles are a waste, but I still see them taking place for the sake of kicking out writs as fast as possible, and obtaining as many tokens than even when they were body drops. I am enemies with a certain player, cause all I've ever seem him and his wife play is their guild/group do nothing but farm instances, then come out once in awhile to hunt and gank solos, but when fair fight group comes, poof! they gone back into instance. All they claim is that they were on their way to the instance and the solo got in their way, BullS**t. And he claims to be against raid PVP and such BS tactics.So ok, let's hear about duels. Sure, I'm gonna come duel you so you can show off all your cool clicky items and god powers while wearing the better gear you got from farming tokens from solo greens and blues eh? Yeah right. And you still claim that's too lame for you to do, but you're still there doing it. The majority of players on this game are hypocrites and liars. You don't want good PVP as your playstyle proves different. You want to just run around with what some call over powered/ over advantaged toons and just roll over anything close to what could've been considered good competition. Granted, there ARE some few exceptions, but still, the majority of the time you see them in a group rolling solos.Like I said, on Venekor all I see is the same gank group players in slightly different variations of the same gank group makeups, doing the same things, ganking/jumping/slaughering smaller number groups or solos, then leaving when the real competition arrives, or forming raids to come, whatever, just so they don't have to try and PVP on an equal basis.OK, rant over, My account expires 4-3- 08. Goodbye, and GL with the BS you call PVP. I'm bored of this game and the BS you call PVP. Don't ask for my stuff cause it already going to a couple people that will put it to good use and they are very good PVPers both in group and solo. Anarcheru - 80 Bruiser Nyarlath - 77 wizard Venekor server</blockquote>Why do you post threads that are so negative all the time, towards groups and raids.?We all see you run in raids and groups all the time, to do the same exact thing, you post you hate.For a person whos hates group and raid pvp you seem to do it alot, or at least enough to not make you any different. Most of those things are the nature of a open MMOWhy must you expect everyone to play how you wish to play? how hard is it to accept that people have the freedom to play how they choose? Why cant you accept that and do whats fun for you and not worry about what everyone else does? So what some folks only do this and that, things always seem worse from the outside looking in, and changes depending on the perspective.I must say I'm sad to hear your account will be ending <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> I dont recall you ever running from a fight but most Brawlers dont( not that they could <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />. I guess you're tired of people not playing the same. I wish you luck in your journys, and hope you find a game where people just play like you like, tho that may be impossiable in any MMO w a huge varity of playerbase. To me thats what i enjoy the most, the varity of freedom to play what suits the paying customer.

Pumancat

03-12-2008, 05:09 PM

<cite>Wytie wrote:</cite> <blockquote>Why do you post threads that are so negative all the time, towards groups and raids.? Like I said, I'm bored with the same BS day in and day outWe all see you run in raids and groups all the time, to do the same exact thing, you post you hate. You've seen me in 1 pvp raid and I got sick of it after 4 clashes, When you see me grouped, I'm on my way to help friends do instances. How can you say I do that all the time when just 3 days ago you and fakenaught tried to get me at KJ zone, I was alone and just logged on. incident before was your group ganking me solo in KP, before that was me and 2 othes in JW, then you came and ganked each of us seperate before we were even off recent.For a person whos hates group and raid pvp you seem to do it alot, or at least enough to not make you any different. Most of those things are the nature of a open MMO Alot? 1 raid PVP for 4 fights, and maybe once a week group PVP to try and get a little revenge on the groups that constantly gank me throughout the day and night. But wait!, they don't want to face my group. they have to evac and run out of the zone, or hide in an instance. Ragefist's group will fight us, and Yunem's, but only if they have the odds in their favor most of the time.Why must you expect everyone to play how you wish to play? how hard is it to accept that people have the freedom to play how they choose? Why cant you accept that and do whats fun for you and not worry about what everyone else does? So what some folks only do this and that, things always seem worse from the outside looking in, and changes depending on the perspective. I don't expect anyone to play MY way, but I do expect them to have some amount of decency in what you or they call PVP.I must say I'm sad to hear your account will be ending <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> I dont recall you ever running from a fight but most Brawlers dont( not that they could <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15">. I guess you're tired of people not playing the same. I wish you luck in your journys, and hope you find a game where people just play like you like, tho that may be impossiable in any MMO w a huge varity of playerbase. To me thats what i enjoy the most, the varity of freedom to play what suits the paying customer. Had some good times with you bud, you a [Removed for Content] good PVPer IMO, until you started hanging with one of the most lame players/PVPers on game. Still have alot of respect for you personally tho.</blockquote>Anarcheru

Roald

03-12-2008, 06:21 PM

I R died on PvP and I quit.

Grol

03-12-2008, 06:23 PM

<cite>Milambers@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I R died on PvP and I quit.</blockquote>I r still dying on PvP.. I estimate I quit within a week, judging by the others who quit cause of PvP....

Wytie

03-12-2008, 06:25 PM

<cite>Grolne@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Milambers@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I R died on PvP and I quit.</blockquote>I r still dying on PvP.. I estimate I quit within a week, judging by the others who quit cause of PvP....</blockquote>I have no prob dieing in pvp, its the revive part that sucks <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Csky

03-13-2008, 05:16 AM

the same people with negative replies will be the same people complaining "WAAAAAAAAAAAA we cant find anyone to PVP with SOE please merge servers!"to the OP i hear ya..the game doesnt promote formidable PVP it promotes farming and ganking..it would be an awesome game actually if they got rid of the reward/penalty system and just let it function like regular servers with the added bonus of being able to kill each otheri hope eq3 has no reward/penalty system and just lets us kill each other for the joy of PVP so people dont feel the need to have advantages and not take risks or even consider entering a fight on equal ground

Vilesummon

03-13-2008, 09:02 AM

<cite>Zexybeast@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I hate when my group evacs. Just earlier today, I had to yell at a scout that evacced after everyone else had engaged. That said, being a solo out in an open zone is an invitation to be killed. I realize there are certain circumstances where you have to be that way, harvesting etc, but when you are out solo, expect and understand that you will be rolled. The fix is to group up. Since you are on the Freeport side, I can guarantee that you will have at least one group that will fight back when you do so.</blockquote>I was in the group when this happened, and the scout that evacced learned in a few minutes time why not to evac. The problem I see for you is this...you CHOOSE to go out alone, and then hang around an area that is frequently flown over. Hanging out in the area where people either are grinding up Danak faction or the other factions for certain quests and then complaining about death is ridiculous. EVERY TIME it happens, you log onto a Q (in this case named fukuff) to complain. It gets old listening to you...let your account expire, if you don't like death don't sign up on a pvp server. You play one of the most fearsome classes...and you still need to complain about it...too bad.Here is the deal...no one likes to die, but some actions we take in the game leads to it...or at least increases the likelihood of death. I play a freaking conj...and I sometimes choose to do something out alone (some epic updates, some faction raising, etc), and when I make the choice to leave the city alone, guess what? I EXPECT to die a few times...it never means I like it, it doesn't mean I won't fight back, but it means I have taken the calculated risk and know there is a strong likelihood of death. I especially knew I was taking a risk when I was grinding some faction near a sokokar post, but again, it was my choice to not wait for a group.As stated, problem solved if you would choose to group. Granted I can see your point, I would love to play a pvp class that would have insane odds in its favor if it were allowed to just match up 1 vs 1 if I were solo. Bruisers are tough combatants, and would one of the most common solo classes if there was a 1 on 1 rule. That isn't the case, GET OVER IT.

Pelda

03-13-2008, 09:24 AM

There are some people I'm not sad to see them leave. /waves bye

Enoe

03-13-2008, 10:33 AM

LOLPVP is simple on Venekor. You see freep -> you chase -> you kill!!! You dont think: wait he is green and solo lets leave him alone.I dont go alone to RoK zones because freeps think exactly same way.And since you are talking about Ragefist grp - we will fight not only even forces. We attacked and killed x2 raids and multiple grps at once. So again little more respect.And yea /bye

Faenril

03-13-2008, 10:59 AM

I think you just expect too much from the players, especially considering there is absolutely no incentive to play fair in that game, except maybe your self esteem...well, you know... Is most of the pvp dirty and unfair ? Yes sir. Are there cowards who will avoid anything dangerous ? Yes sir. Are there players who like a challenge and fair fights ? Yes, there are. Are there kamikaze who fight under any circumstances ? Yes, there are some too. If you get out solo, you better be prepared for constant frustration (getting rolled by groups, getting jumped in a 1:1 fight, finding another solo who will evac on sight). If you get out in a group, most fights are a slaughtering, either of your group or the ennemy (or an evac, when ppl see the slaughtering coming). In both cases, "good fight" are rather the exception than the norm, though they DO (still) happen. So either you are patient and you can handle the boring/mediocre/unfair pvp in between, or you can't. Apparently you made up your mind. Good bye.

Klon

03-13-2008, 11:29 AM

Considering who you named in your posts, I guess you play Euro prime time.The Solution is quite an easy one, if a PvP group can´t find a valid target (another group that´s willing to fight) they will start ganking everything that moves just out of pure boredom. And since wirts update from solo targets as well, even more incentive to kill solos. If I would just go after groups with my group I wouldn´t even get to complete a writ in a week ... Btw Enoe, what was that [I cannot control my vocabulary] the other day? Do we really need to chase you around for 20 minutes until you finally stop and fight, even when you outnumber us? Thats what pisses me off most, ppl running off and not fighting. I can understand that when one´s solo ... but when theres 5 ppl facing your 6 person group .. why run? I wish SOE would take out infamy and titles <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" /> So little people go out and PvP just for the fun of it, far too much running/flying/zoning/evacing these days <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />

Csky

03-13-2008, 11:46 AM

most of those imaginary groups that "look for other groups to fight" dont exist, they run from anything close to a challenge and hunt easy targets which is the point the OP is trying to make. and hes righti dont know what to say other than change the reward system to make lesser targets and lower levels a lesser reward and make a formidable challenge worth it..body token drops were probably the closest thing to a valid reward system even tho scouts made out like bandits because with thier tools they chose lower levels and easy targets for easy tokens at no risk

Faenril

03-13-2008, 12:06 PM

No offense, but you already mentionned somewhere else that you usually solo/duo. So how can you know the real intentions of those "groups that look for other groups to fight", when you don't even take part in one ? My point is both kinds of group exist. But for sure if you are solo they will all look the same to you.

Csky

03-13-2008, 12:12 PM

<cite>Faerie@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>No offense, but you already mentionned somewhere else that you usually solo/duo. So how can you know the real intentions of those "groups that look for other groups to fight", when you don't even take part in one ?My point is both kinds of group exist. But for sure if you are solo they will all look the same to you.</blockquote>there is no group that ignores solos and LOL if you think there is..and why wouldnt they?? they are rewarded like they just fought a real challenging battle instead of ganking..i think soe should do a REAL stats on people instead of a K/D ratio lets put average challenge of battle and see what thier average fight consists of..you know like average fight ratio of 6vs2, or 6v1, 24vs5 ectid LOVE to see those kind of stats posted

Faenril

03-13-2008, 01:13 PM

I never pretended that some groups ignore solos, nor did I pretend they should <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I was just trying to answer that part: "most of those imaginary groups that "look for other groups to fight" dont exist, they run from anything close to a challenge and hunt easy targets which is the point the OP is trying to make." Just wanted to point that many players group in order to chase other groups, because it's the playstyle they prefer for whatever reason. Usually they don't say "hey guys, let's build a group to roll on solos and evac from everything else". Now for sure, they will roll on solos on the way, and as a matter of fact they get credit for that. But if you think rolling over weaker helpless targets is the primary purpose, I think you are wrong, at least in some cases, because this quickly gets boring.

Bloodfa

03-13-2008, 01:22 PM

Tell me, what should a group do when they encounter a duo? Have of them disband so it's a fair fight for you? Change your class, get a damned good horse, stop running around in a duo when the average group size is six, or just get used to being a squirrel crossing the highway. I pray to God that the devs never balance it so that 3=1, or 6=2, because that would truly and honestly suck. Stop complaining about something that you choose to do. That's as bad as complaining about heartburn after eating at Taco Bell for a week. It's not them being 'dishonorable' by taking you out. It's about you not fighting on their terms. Your choice. Not theirs. Don't blame anyone but yourself. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

Hecafe1

03-13-2008, 02:15 PM

PvP is what is, what it always has been, Ive had full groups of 80's going out of thier way to kill my lil 72monk when shes out and about solo, inturn I'll attack anything i feel like when im out and about with my Ranger. Just the other day I killed OP so i can kill the named he was fighting he logs over to a Q to verbaly abuse me, less than 5minutes later i kill his bruiser with the help of a passing group, again the abuse!! tbh you really not cut out for PvP maybe try PvE and dueling OR just let your account run out and try solitair, Wont say Im sorry to see you go although the 20minutes you spent abusing me were really funny and gave me a giggle while i cleared the rest of the named in the zone <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Cya wouldnt wanna be ya!<a href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q91jhIIf6Go" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q91jhIIf6Go</a>

Natilee

03-13-2008, 02:19 PM

<cite>Cydd@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>PvP is what is, what it always has been, Ive had full groups of 80's going out of thier way to kill my lil 72monk when shes out and about solo, inturn I'll attack anything i feel like when im out and about with my Ranger. Just the other day I killed OP so i can kill the named he was fighting he logs over to a Q to verbaly abuse me, less than 5minutes later i kill his bruiser with the help of a passing group, again the abuse!! tbh you really not cut out for PvP maybe try PvE and dueling OR just let your account run out and try solitair, Wont say Im sorry to see you go although the 20minutes you spent abusing me were really funny and gave me a giggle while i cleared the rest of the named in the zone <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />Cya wouldnt wanna be ya!<a rel="nofollow" href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q91jhIIf6Go" target="_blank">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q91jhIIf6Go</a></blockquote>Yikes!

Grol

03-13-2008, 02:22 PM

<cite>Cydd@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>PvP is what is, what it always has been, Ive had full groups of 80's going out of thier way to kill my lil 72monk when shes out and about solo, inturn I'll attack anything i feel like when im out and about with my Ranger. Just the other day I killed OP so i can kill the named he was fighting he logs over to a Q to verbaly abuse me, less than 5minutes later i kill his bruiser with the help of a passing group, again the abuse!! tbh you really not cut out for PvP maybe try PvE and dueling OR just let your account run out and try solitair, Wont say Im sorry to see you go although the 20minutes you spent abusing me were really funny and gave me a giggle while i cleared the rest of the named in the zone <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> Cya wouldnt wanna be ya!<a rel="nofollow" href="http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q91jhIIf6Go" target="_blank">http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=q91jhIIf6Go</a></blockquote>awww..what's the vid? I'm at school and can't see it cause the school apparently thinks that youtube is a communist organization... or they think I should actually do work (/scoff)

Callim

03-13-2008, 02:30 PM

There is alot of frustration in pvp at the moment, on all sides I think, and it shows up in game on the boards. Gotta say I agree, if I'm cruising with my group and we run across a 72 or small group of low 70's on track...well we aren't going to ignore them.By the same token we sure as heck won't grief them, though sometimes a person is out of range on a kill and they want to get credit...I always feel like an [Removed for Content] when that happens but bottom line groupmates interests come first imo so if we see em again they may likely die.I think most of the anger and frustration though isn't from getting randomly rolled while harvesting, its trying to fly somewhere and seeing the same group of 5 or 6 camping the soko posts time and time again. Now some of that is unavoidable, I know when we are trying to form up, or if the group gets scattered, or is preparing to battle another group we know is in zone and accessable, a group will usually stage at a post.It happens, we do that too at times, and yes, the poor [Removed for Content] who fly in when we are in that stage of prep will generally get smushed...but on the whole I think most people don't intentionally just sit at posts and grief. Some do, most don't, but its hard to seperate intentions in this game frequently.I actually enjoy sitting at TG post while waiting on group members to zone in, or come back from afk etc....and watch as solo or duo 68, 69, 70, etc Q's scurry around. You can almost hear them cursing to themselves or debating making a run for the post, and I know we go out of our way USUALLY, to leave em be. Last night it must of happened a dozen times, each time with a hearty "That ones a gift! Remember it when its your turn!" joke in group followed by the usual "man thats just so tempting free faction, wonder if storm, exalted, VA, etc. would do that to to my alt" devil's advocate comments.And the answer is usually "like hell they would" lol, but thats half the fun, demonizing the other side enough to get a thrill from pvp without getting really bitter about the ups and downs, such as knowing a "insert person you know here" questing in dregs has just died for the 5th time in 5 mintues from the same group.Anyway thats my opinion. I do think hypocracy is unavoidable, its the human condition and it sucks, but what can ya do besides try your best as often as you can to make up for your inevitable failures in character and action.See you on the field!

Kandeed

03-13-2008, 02:48 PM

<cite>Tubby@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>I actually enjoy sitting at TG post while waiting on group members to zone in, or come back from afk etc....and watch as solo or duo 68, 69, 70, etc Q's scurry around. You can almost hear them cursing to themselves or debating making a run for the post, and I know we go out of our way USUALLY, to leave em be. Last night it must of happened a dozen times, each time with a hearty "That ones a gift! Remember it when its your turn!" joke in group followed by the usual "man thats just so tempting free faction, wonder if storm, exalted, VA, etc. would do that to to my alt" devil's advocate comments.And the answer is usually "like hell they would" lol, but thats half the fun, demonizing the other side enough to get a thrill from pvp without getting really bitter about the ups and downs, such as knowing a "insert person you know here" questing in dregs has just died for the 5th time in 5 mintues from the same group.</blockquote>QFT. Having soloed through about 10 levels in RoK, I can safely report that there's no way you'd get a pass unless you were on every last group members recent *and* they were feeling generous.But I wouldn't trade soloing for anything. If you're going to solo on the PvP servers with the current ruleset then you just have to accept that you might be handed a quicker route to a zoneline than you'd prefer. You also can't attached to titles or, indeed, any cash you might be carrying. It is amusing though, when some of the more infamous always-in-a-group personalities show up solo and get huffy when 'unfair' treatment is applied to them. The other day I was in KP and saw a grey exiled toon runninig from the docs. I was bored, so I chased him down and killed him. Whatever. He respawns with the usual petname based insults, among which was the name of his main and promises to grief me every chance he gets. His main just happens to be a very well known sok camping always-grouped gank artist, so the threats were somewhat unsuprising.Sorry to hear people are leaving over this stuff. But none of these things need have any more importance than you personally ascribe them.

Callim

03-13-2008, 03:21 PM

Sounds exactly right Kandeed lolI do miss soloing aspects personally, I could hold my own 1 on 1 in KoS most of the time if needed, alas no longer the case with few exceptions, so when I go solo I rather expect to die.

Enoe

03-13-2008, 03:49 PM

I soloed all the way from 70 to 79 - finished all solo quests in RoK. 1st time i grped on 79 cause there was no more solo quests for me and to ding 80 i needed instances. During this period i was roled by grps all the way. Droped from destroyer to unranked. OFC i had few not diplomatic words for my killers in my mind but still i knew my time will come.Since 80 lvl i killed more then 3 k times and im looking for many more.I know how pvp victim feels like, i was there, now I'm not a victim anymore. Im a predator now or if u like infamous always-in-a-group personality and guess what? I like it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Enoe

03-13-2008, 03:57 PM

<cite>Summerbreeze@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Btw Enoe, what was that [I cannot control my vocabulary] the other day? Do we really need to chase you around for 20 minutes until you finally stop and fight, even when you outnumber us? Thats what pisses me off most, ppl running off and not fighting. I can understand that when one´s solo ... but when theres 5 ppl facing your 6 person group .. why run? </blockquote>I know what r u talking about. We killed Mentis grp. Then picked new writs and we tried to avoid you for 30 min for next update <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> And we were 6 only so i dont think we did outnumer you. Finally you gave us no chance for further avoiding you and we had to fight you - still 5 min on our recent. In fact on KP docks, where you attacked us were more Qs then our grp.TBH we didnt want to fight you then. You just made us to. If you would wait 5 more min then we would start looking for you.

Csky

03-13-2008, 04:44 PM

actually the problem isnt from being rolled..it happens. the problem is that that type of gameplay is promoted by groups being rewarded for it and the lesser targets get [Removed for Content] and quit after it happens time and time again because they are PENALIZED for dying to fights they stood no chance in by having a fame hit AND laughable K/D ratio for just playing the game it was supposed to be played i think soe should get rid of the K/D ratio and fame and do kills based on a point system like realm points, honor points or city points or whatever..making lower levels and lesser targets worth minimal points..while they will still kill that greenie or that solo/duo target they wont be rewarded for it nearly as much as they would for a same level formidable fight. make a formidable fight or a same level or higher level VERY appealing and a good reward as it is now the game promotes gankage of low levels and lesser targets with numbers and has no benefit to taking risks. theres better ways to have a good PVP systemthe world PVP in this game and combat system is really good and has awesome potential, its the reward/penalty system that messes it up

Owa

03-13-2008, 06:04 PM

I've been fairly disappointed with the way PvP works since day one. I'd thought - hoped - that it would be implemented in much the same way as PvE: ie the most risk, skill and effort garners the most reward. However, this turned out not to be the case. I remember being disappointed that same first day when I discovered that '[player x] has dishonorably fled to [zone x]' meant absolutely nothing. I remember the surprise at finding that groups would kill me solo and would be rewarded for it. I assumed that standing your ground and facing difficult odds would be rewarded with something other than almost instantaneous death. I couldn't (and still can't) understand why the only official PvP titles are awarded for those most adept at avoiding difficult fights.There's no doubt that the mechanics of PvP reward the kind of squirrelly, sneaky, selfish and cowardly picking-upon-of-the-weak-by-the-strong that in our real lives would be roundly and justly despised. Many players - usually those who most embrace the unsavory aspects of PvP - rationalise their behaviour by comparing it to war, wherein 'all is fair'. But they are mistaken, because it is not war that computer games most resemble, but sport. There are no weighty matters of life and death at stake here. We do this for fun. And because this is a game, and because games exist only through rules, we feel instinctively that there is something wrong when the rules are not fair. There's a further problem particular to MMORPGs - the traditional fantasy world depends upon its heroes facing fearsome odds. That's why they're heroes. There's nothing heroic about winning a fight you can't possibly lose. If nothing else, the developers should realise that non-heroic PvP actually diminishes the lore of their gameHowever, that is the way it is. All one can do is play it whilst it's still fun and cease when it's not. Hopefully one day a game will come out which will encourage heroic PvP. I think most of us would like to try that.Sorry to see you go, mate.

Pumancat

03-13-2008, 06:37 PM

<cite>Csky wrote:</cite> <blockquote>as it is now the game promotes gankage of low levels and lesser targets with numbers and has no benefit to taking risks. theres better ways to have a good PVP system</blockquote> This is part of what I was talking about, these so called group PVPers that don't actually fight group vs group because it's easier to just fly around and gank lesser targets for better rewards. And what I'm frustrated about is not the fact I get rolled by a group, BUT that it's day in and day out the same [Removed for Content] groups doing the same lame [Removed for Content] playing of rolling the lesser targets for the better rewards, cause they're too chickenshit to actually try and PVP.Faerie, Alpinestar, Yunem, Ragefist, etc., many times I have complimented you guys on good fights, and have even bowed when you've beaten me bad. I admit I'm not the great PVPer like most gankers think they are.I'm talking about the lame players who have to sit at the sokokar posts with a full group hiding behind the big rocks, while they exploit the lag at posts, but then run and hide when another group comes to fight them. And yes, I'm talking BOTH sides of the map, FP and Q. DO YOU CALL THAT PVP?Yes Faerie, there ARE plenty of those kind of lame " PVPers " and they seem to always be out. If you're so danm great PVPers, why are you always out in a group flying the zones and jumping the lesser targets, but when a better or even matched group comes along, you're nowhere to be found? EXAMPLE - Cydd, why did you feel you needed to pull a lvl 79 charmed mob to kill my lvl 77 wiz while I was fighting that 79 named? you call that PVP when you were obviously going to out match my in the first place. BTW, the named was still there when I logged my wiz back on, so if you gonna lie, please do it better. And yeah, I logged my lvl 80 to come fight you, but you were too busy hiding behind the wall so you could jump me with all your nice little poisons and clicky items and such, but even that wasn't good enough of an advantage for you, you had to call your friend's group " who happened to be at the same spot waiting there " as I came out of Danak. Enouh said lame ranger.Wiech, yeah, he's very good PVPer when it comes to dueling and Gv1, never seen him stick around for good GvG fight. That's the kind of lame playing hypocritical BS you call PVP? Call me a whiner, crybaby or whatever floats your boat people, I didn't make this thread to have a flame fest or a whine contest. Just I'm bored of the hypocracy of you so called PVPers who don't PVP.Anarcheru

Raidyen

03-13-2008, 06:41 PM

Wait a sec, you got killed by 79 on your 77, so you logged your 80 to come kill him?"Hey Kettle, this is Pot, your black."

Pumancat

03-13-2008, 07:13 PM

<cite>Drocca@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wait a sec, you got killed by 79 on your 77, so you logged your 80 to come kill him?"Hey Kettle, this is Pot, your black."</blockquote>No, I said he used a 79 charmed mob to attack my 77, He is lvl 80.Please try and pay attention, and FYI, I'm not even talking about that incident. That was just an example, I think I wrote that.Anarcheru

Hecafe1

03-13-2008, 08:13 PM

Actually you were lvl76 and the charmed mob was 77, ACTUALLY i killed the named Barrelspike and he droped Ornate chest with crap earring i couldnt loot because i had 1 on broker, ACTUALLY i didnt know who Bruiser was and i was killing ebonmaw on the beach when you popped on track i was omw back to HS NOT hiding behind a wall, ACTAULLY i have some nice screenshots of you crying like a baby and telling me i evac'd from you ( i didnt) and i had to get my group to kill you (i wasnt grouped) and as for clicky things i havent got a clue what your on about! plz go back to my original post and click the link <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />Also plz dont call me a lier im not i hate liers ask anyone who knows me, i dont lie!! i have no reason too especially in this case when i will FREELY admit had i seen you on track before named as i flew over i would have dropped and done EXACTLY what i did do, ITS PVP get over it or ........................................ Solitair ftw!

Hecafe1

03-15-2008, 06:44 AM

Lets talk about hypocracy:<img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c320/Barginbear1000/Everquest/Redarrow.jpg" border="0" alt="" />

Pumancat

03-15-2008, 02:24 PM

Pumancat

03-15-2008, 03:01 PM

BTW, thx Cydd in your good derailing of the thread by making it seem it's just about you, but was not my intention. I believe I also made the refference of how this constant " gank squad " crap is done by BOTH sides, and how I'm just plain bored with seeing the same groups of the same people doing this lame " gankstyle " of PVP day n and day out.In the picture you posted, yes, I was in a group We started out waiting for Keffin's group to come confront us, as they were camping the docks ganking solos. But NO can't have a full group of Freeps to fight them,that's too even a match, so they called in another group to come fight us with them. Then it turned into 3 groups to fight our one, plus the 2 green and one gray Q leeches. but I guess you don't want to post the truth of that situation. And we still managed to kill some of the [Removed for Content]. You were in one of those groups obviously, and that's ok.Point is - Why did it take them to get 3 groups before they would engage one? Why does it take a full group to hunt down solos and leave zone when confronted by even matches? Or like last night, get more than the original group as add ons. Both Qs and FPs.Anarcheru

Hecafe1

03-15-2008, 03:08 PM

Nog was solo all day tbh you guys went way outta your way for that kill desperate or what? and i haven't derailed the thread to make it seem its all about me i just like pointing out what a hypocrite REALLY is, if you cant take it don't dish it. Look at the picture and where Nog died WAY away from the docks or general fly over areas she was on a quest hand in, dun care about the death or the fame loss just don't like you're BS, you don't like the gank squads BUT picture says a thousand words bud! whats the betting your accounts still active after the cut off date you posted?? whinging FTW!

Pumancat

03-15-2008, 03:27 PM

<cite>Cydd@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nog was solo all day tbh you guys went way outta your way for that kill desperate or what? and i haven't derailed the thread to make it seem its all about me i just like pointing out what a hypocrite REALLY is, if you cant take it don't dish it. Look at the picture and where Nog died WAY away from the docks or general fly over areas she was on a quest hand in, dun care about the death or the fame loss just don't like you're BS, you don't like the gank squads BUT picture says a thousand words bud! whats the betting your accounts still active after the cut off date you posted?? whinging FTW!</blockquote> Nope, he was hanging around with the 2 groups that followed us to TG and was still involved with the raid+ when we killed him, or we thought him a baiter for the raid, so we killed him. And you're still missing my point bro.Anarcheru

Hecafe1

03-15-2008, 04:06 PM

<cite>Pumancat wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cydd@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nog was solo all day tbh you guys went way outta your way for that kill desperate or what? and i haven't derailed the thread to make it seem its all about me i just like pointing out what a hypocrite REALLY is, if you cant take it don't dish it. Look at the picture and where Nog died WAY away from the docks or general fly over areas she was on a quest hand in, dun care about the death or the fame loss just don't like you're BS, you don't like the gank squads BUT picture says a thousand words bud! whats the betting your accounts still active after the cut off date you posted?? whinging FTW!</blockquote> Nope, he was hanging around with the 2 groups that followed us to TG and was still involved with the raid+ when we killed him, or we thought him a baiter for the raid, so we killed him. And you're still missing my point bro.Anarcheru</blockquote>That's a blatant lie Nog was solo ALL day and when you killed me was that anywhere near TG??? i think not!! and I only engaged in 3 pvp fights the one pictured 1 with Morals a REAL good player and nice guy and another group that got me in highton, im not missing your point your actions negate any arguments you have unless the hypocracy you're talking about is your own!! you sir REALLY need some help you lie cry lie cry and lie some more have a reputation for whinging crying and being abusive via Q alt and cant even admit when your wrong and been caught out lieing i give up with you, what are you 10? 12? geez!! everyone knows it you're in for a shock when your denial finally catches up with you. last I'll post on this thread you full of it you know it, i know it everyone who's ever killed you and had a tell from your Q fukuff knows it. I really hope your true to your word and have cancelled your account because online gaming isnt for you go out get some sunshine Vitamin D ftw!!

Csky

03-15-2008, 06:49 PM

that group shouldnt have got a reward whatsoever..Maybe 1 token to roll on between them all, but nothing more....and thats the problem with PVPthat isnt PVP, its garbage

Truck

03-15-2008, 09:22 PM

<cite>Cydd@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lets talk about hypocracy:<img src="http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c320/Barginbear1000/Everquest/Redarrow.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="800" height="600" /></blockquote>Woot! I'm like a celebrity! Pickle suited red headed step child tank on the forums! Weeeee! Anyway, you we're our fighter update for a writ in between fighting Keffin's group of 6, Krint's group of 5 (4 rangers 1 wizard), and Yunem and Khay's group of 6.You're [Removed for Content] for running around in KP solo thinking full groups would leave you alone, especially when you update writs. When i mentor to help guildies and friends level, im hunted by full groups just to get a stab at my infamy. Sad really. Solo doesn't mean brave, Solo usually means stupid.

Roald

03-15-2008, 09:42 PM

Pumancat

03-16-2008, 02:51 AM

Owned? Truck just proved my point as I said it's both Freeps and Qs. Only difference is that we actually were on our way to catch a group to fight. After talking to another of that group, I admit I was wrong about what took place of that instance. Were we specifically grouped to hunt you or solos in the zone? NO, we were chasing after Keffin's group, or on our way back from trying to find them. In which we did, and owned them in GvG pvp. All we did was what YOUR usual group claims to do every time you've ganked me. You happened to be there at the wrong time. BTW I believe that I was the last to even get there. Many who do know me know for FACT, I'm solo 95% of the time, and many is the time that I get rolled by Yours, Faerie's, Ragefists, Rangestride's, Enoe's, and yes, even Keffin's GROUPS, And Ragefist can tell you, I love talking smack, cause I WILL come back and try to fight you BY MYSELF. I DON'T call for raids" in fact I decline many invites every day ". Last time Rage got me at the TG Sokokar, I complimented him on clean kill cause his group had left him behind. When I came back on with Anarch at the respawn, [Removed for Content]? He had his group coming from the druid ring headed straight toward me. Guess they missed out on their writ update eh? Maybe truely Wiech's group did just happen to be there, I'll give the benefit of the doubt, but too many times "especially with Aggony " when I log on my Q and talk smack, They have to make sure they have at least 3 or 4 others waiting. Yeah HYPOCRITE, real PVP there eh?Maybe you can explain to me this new trend of you rangers to pull mobs on people now. Getting too hard to attack them while they fighting mobs, so you need the extra help? like you did when I was fighting the named? I was fighting a yellow conned named, you could have done the usual ranger BS and shot me down from behind " still with no risk to yourself ". Were you afraid that I was gonna own you and the named? seriously doubt that. But NO, you have to go for the overkill, just to make sure there's no risk of me getting the slightest hit in. And yes it was the first time I've ever seen you solo. Guess it's because you now have a pet instead of someone else to fight for you, while you stay safely 35 yds or more away taking your shots.The BIG difference in your little claim there is, WE WEREN'T RUNNING from a group of Qs, even though they outnumbered us. We were chasing them. THEY were the ones running. WHY? Because of the hypocracy of what they and You call PVP. I run from NO ONE, I'm lvl 80, no reason to have to run from anyone. I don't give a [Removed for Content] about your stupid titles " like Jackk or Truck " or your KvD crap, or even tokens for that matter. I have NO absolute compulsion to have to overwhelm other players to the point where they stand no chance at winning. I PVP for the fun of the fight and Don't NEED to do those things. You got " in the way " of our group going after another group. Someone yelled Q let's kill, we killed, and moved on to fight the 2 or 3 groups waiting for us. WE were NOT the ones camping the docks ganking every solo that landed. We did NOT go out of our way to fly around the zone to pick off all the solos we could find, in fact we ignored alot in KJ and KP.As usual, with you obviously being the kind of ganker I'm talking about, to so vehemently defend yourself by trying to make one of my very rare instances, of being semi of your style of being a [Removed for Content] playing ganker of solos, to justify yourself at facing the truth of what you are. Go F yourself [Removed for Content].I'll fight you anytime, anywhere I run into you. I don't mean camping and exploiting lag at Sokokars, running in groups using track to find the easiest targets to gank from behind rocks, or raiding up to fight a single group. I wear quested and instanced gear with my epic weapon and a lvl 70 PVP weapon. I'm not the best PVPer on the game. I'm sure as hell not the best bruiser ( Taamerlane, Owain, Anjelakus to name a few alot better &nbsp<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But I will fight you. If you have to be [Removed for Content] playing gankers or exploiters, and even hackers, I WILL talk smack and see what kind of lame [Removed for Content] you really are, and usually I prove it by you having to resort to these kind of tactics. I don't hang out with people that do this crap which is why I'm solo 95+% of the time, even on my now 78 wizard Nyarlath. " to all of you who want to come gank me to try and run me off the game now " To the Freeps that do this crap as well, same goes for you hypocrites. And yes Cydd, I've cussed out many FPs for doing this stuff. I participated in 1 Raid vs Raid last week, and after 4 fights I left cause I thought it was dumb.Anarcheru