Where is the Lore?

[Quda]

<p>As everyone else, I am curious about where the rest of the lore is.</p><p>There are dozens of stories that seem left hanging.  Is it just not out yet?  Where is it?</p><p>Maybe I missed a few here and there, but I have done my best to catch up.</p><p>Example:  Where are the rest of the dragons?  According to Naggy there are several prismatic eggs.  Looking at the timeline for some of it, they should be dust by now, even with magic.Velious was distroyed, and rained down on Norrath, have any artifacts been discovered from it?Those that dared to find love with another race and cast out, where are they now?</p><p>A few things:Grumbor Offaltop, the giant from the book littlest giant.  I would have liked to seen more of this guy, even if he is gone, where did he live?  There should still be some sort of shed left standing or pile of rocks if it fell.Orthiss, the undead hunter looking for Venril, where is he now?Did I miss Durgen, the dwarf in the Rendering?  Would have liked to sit down and listened to his story and bought him a pint of ale.</p>

[Allisia]

Velious is a continent on Norrath.  Luclin wasn't destroyed, though the catastrophic effects of what did happen are apparent in the night sky.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Quda wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As everyone else, I am curious about where the rest of the lore is.</p><p>There are dozens of stories that seem left hanging.  Is it just not out yet?  Where is it?</p><p>Maybe I missed a few here and there, but I have done my best to catch up.</p><p>Example:  Where are the rest of the dragons?  According to Naggy there are several prismatic eggs.  Looking at the timeline for some of it, they should be dust by now, even with magic.Velious was distroyed, and rained down on Norrath, have any artifacts been discovered from it?Those that dared to find love with another race and cast out, where are they now?</p><p>A few things:Grumbor Offaltop, the giant from the book littlest giant.  I would have liked to seen more of this guy, even if he is gone, where did he live?  There should still be some sort of shed left standing or pile of rocks if it fell.Orthiss, the undead hunter looking for Venril, where is he now?Did I miss Durgen, the dwarf in the Rendering?  Would have liked to sit down and listened to his story and bought him a pint of ale.</p></blockquote><p>As already mentioned, Velious, the ice continent, is where the majority of dragons live. Dragons live for thousands of years. Naggy himself even says that it takes centuries for an egg to incubate and eventually hatch, with or without magic.</p><p>Luclin was destroyed, not Velious.</p><p>Grumbor Offaltop? Bit character who's only lore in the game is told in that story. Durgen? Bit character who was only used in that story in the Tome of Destiny.</p><p>Orthiss? He's dead. Why should he play a larger part when his story is told there?</p>

[Grol]

<cite>Arrex@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Velious is a continent on Norrath.  Luclin wasn't destroyed, though the catastrophic effects of what did happen are apparent in the night sky.</blockquote>Not destroyed... but I'd say pretty well broked.

[DocFlareon]

Orthiss is indeed dead after so many centuries and he died with a broken heart.  I do not think his spirit would have found rest however.  It would be fitting if sometime in a future GU we find a ghostly Di'Zok wandering Jarsath.

[Allisia]

Luclin is still there.  It did not cease to exist, hence it was not destroyed.  It still orbits Norrath, thus it is still a moon.  In time it might eventually break up, that is beyond the scope of the game.  For the people of Norrath, Luclin is still there in the sky, though in a much altered state.

[Quda]

<p>Sorry, I am corrected, it was Luclin.  But still the fact remains, where are the pieces that fell to Norrath?  There should be something that fell and survived considering the magic involved in the first place.</p><p>I guess the little bits add up to the sum of the whole.  Lore would be more indepth if you could visit these places, see results from those stories, just kind of weird to read a story about something great happening, and not see any sign of it.  Can you go into freeport sewers and see where Aduin Leyesteiri cut into the rock wall to store his books?</p>

[DocFlareon]

<cite>Quda wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sorry, I am corrected, it was Luclin.  But still the fact remains, where are the pieces that fell to Norrath?  There should be something that fell and survived considering the magic involved in the first place.</p><p>I guess the little bits add up to the sum of the whole.  Lore would be more indepth if you could visit these places, see results from those stories, just kind of weird to read a story about something great happening, and not see any sign of it.  Can you go into freeport sewers and see where Aduin Leyesteiri cut into the rock wall to store his books?</p></blockquote>On the topic of Luclin meteorites, have you visited Thundering Steppes recently?  The place looks like a bombing range.  There are three places where you can find somewhat intact Luclin meteorites.  There's one in Antonica, near the South Qeynos gates.  Off in the distance from Gorowyn Island you can see a really big chunk.  You can also find a few chunks in Sinking Sands.

[Allisia]

There are pieces of Luclin all over Norrath.  There is a piece in the NQ moat, another piece by the Qeynos griff tower, several pieces in Jarsath Wastes.  I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones I can think of immediately.  They are fairly easy to distinguish: they appear as blackish-green rocks and boulders, often in a depression or crater.  The ones in Jarsath Wastes and Antonica are each part of quests.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Ekaunek@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Quda wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sorry, I am corrected, it was Luclin.  But still the fact remains, where are the pieces that fell to Norrath?  There should be something that fell and survived considering the magic involved in the first place.</p><p>I guess the little bits add up to the sum of the whole.  Lore would be more indepth if you could visit these places, see results from those stories, just kind of weird to read a story about something great happening, and not see any sign of it.  Can you go into freeport sewers and see where Aduin Leyesteiri cut into the rock wall to store his books?</p></blockquote>On the topic of Luclin meteorites, have you visited Thundering Steppes recently?  The place looks like a bombing range.  There are three places where you can find somewhat intact Luclin meteorites.  There's one in Antonica, near the South Qeynos gates.  Off in the distance from Gorowyn Island you can see a really big chunk.  You can also find a few chunks in Sinking Sands.</blockquote><p>-North Qeynos</p><p>-Forest Ruins</p><p>-Antonica</p><p>-Thundering Steppes (not actual shards, but the craters of them)</p><p>-Sinking Sands (Two small ones that create foliage in the desert and bring back dead snakes to life thanks to the combination of the waters flowing through the Ewer of Sul'Dae)</p><p>-Timorous Deep (largest one by far)</p><p>-Jarsath Wastes (Two of them.)</p>

[zerfall]

Dog Pond in Commonlands was formed by a piece of Luclin falling as well (there's a quest to investigate the water starting at the WFP gate due to the water being contaminated that reveals this).

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Zerfall@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Dog Pond in Commonlands was formed by a piece of Luclin falling as well (there's a quest to investigate the water starting at the WFP gate due to the water being contaminated that reveals this).</blockquote>Yeah I thought I remembered hearing that, but wasn't sure. There's no shard left so I wasn't sure.

[Arianah]

<span class="postbody"><i><b>Where are the rest of the dragons?</b></i>Most dragons are only concerned with the protection of their eggs and the scale which Veeshan had left them before her departure from Norrath. These dragons, if not on Velious (I thought it melted btw?) remain hidden from outsiders in their Nest to protect their eggs, or at the Ashengate temple in the Serpent Spine Mountains (which were erected from Solusek's rage on Tunare's Elddar) to protect Veeshan's Scale.<i>(According to our current EQ2 timeline, neither the Nest or Serpent Spine Mountains have been discovered yet.)</i>From what I have seen/read, quite a few dragons occupy the Kingdom of Sky as well.</span>

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">Cusa>>> If you look closely at the TS craters you <u><b>do</b></u> see shards of the stones <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span>

[Gukkor2]

<cite>Arrex@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>There are pieces of Luclin all over Norrath.  There is a piece in the NQ moat, another piece by the Qeynos griff tower, several pieces in Jarsath Wastes.  I'm sure there are more, but those are the ones I can think of immediately.  They are fairly easy to distinguish: they appear as blackish-green rocks and boulders, often in a depression or crater.  The ones in Jarsath Wastes and Antonica are each part of quests.</blockquote><p>Luclin, the singular heavenly body, has been destroyed.  There is no Luclin anymore, only its remains.  If a person steps on a landmine and is blown up, do we say that they haven't been destroyed, despite the fact that they're dead and their body is scattered into fragments?  I wouldn't think so.  Similarly, Luclin has been destroyed, as has the continent of Antonica, though remnants of both still exist.</p><p>This is a pointless semantics game, yes, but I'm very bored. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>EDIT: Arianah: It's possible that Ashengate is still around, but I doubt it.  Judging from the map of the Shattered Lands, it seems that the Serpent's Spine has been almost entirely submerged, the only exception being the area around Highhold Pass.  I would guess that the dragons evacuated the Scale before it could go down with the temple, probably to Velious.  As for the Nest, there's a good chance that it's out of the dragons' hands anyway, whether or not it's still around physically.  In the EQ1 timeline, at least, it was corrupted by Venril Sathir, presumably beyond repair (which is what prompted the Circle of the Crystalwing to form and create the Drakkin).  That may not have happened in EQ2's timeline, but I don't see any good reason why it wouldn't have at this point.</p>

[Coniaric]

<cite>Arianah wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody"><i><b>Where are the rest of the dragons?</b></i>Most dragons are only concerned with the protection of their eggs and the scale which Veeshan had left them before her departure from Norrath. These dragons, if not on Velious (I thought it melted btw?) remain hidden from outsiders in their Nest to protect their eggs, or at the Ashengate temple in the Serpent Spine Mountains (which were erected from Solusek's rage on Tunare's Elddar) to protect Veeshan's Scale.<i>(According to our current EQ2 timeline, neither the Nest or Serpent Spine Mountains have been discovered yet.)</i>From what I have seen/read, quite a few dragons occupy the Kingdom of Sky as well.</span></blockquote><p>In response to the question of Velious being melted ... yes, there are rumors/mentions of that having happened. But it doesn't mean it can't refreeze. </p><p>Also, it appeared to be very much like Earth's Antarctica ... ice- and snow-covered continent. So, if Velious didn't refreeze ... it still can be a regular continent minus the ice and snow.</p><p>About the dragons, I'm guessing at least 3 factions: The Awakened, The Ring of Scale, and The Claws of Veeshan, with the status of the Claws still unknown, pretty much. The prophecies that came with The Fallen Dynasty said Nagafen's prismatic eggs is generally a non issue and the age of dragons are waning. So it's likely the dragons are fading into the background more and more. For now, anyway.</p>

[Allisia]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Luclin, the singular heavenly body, has been destroyed.  There is no Luclin anymore, only its remains.  If a person steps on a landmine and is blown up, do we say that they haven't been destroyed, despite the fact that they're dead and their body is scattered into fragments?  I wouldn't think so.  Similarly, Luclin has been destroyed, as has the continent of Antonica, though remnants of both still exist.</p></blockquote>Cremated remains are still referred to by the name of the individual, despite the fact that they were well and truly destroyed in body.  It is still Luclin, and it is still a heavenly body.  It still has gravity and an orbit.  The greatest part(s) of it are still where they were before, in orbit around Norrath.  It is ruptured, and it is broken, but the majority of it is still intact, if in an altered state.  If you over inflate a balloon, it breaks, but it is not destroyed.  Luclin endures.

[Kursa]

<cite>Quda wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Sorry, I am corrected, it was Luclin.  But still the fact remains, where are the pieces that fell to Norrath?  There should be something that fell and survived considering the magic involved in the first place.</p></blockquote><p>There ARE TONS of pieces all over Norrath from Luclin.  heck, there's a big piece in the moat about 2 yards from Queen Antonia's Central Keep in Qeynos. There is also a huge piece right near the docks in Antonica.</p><p>Also, DOZENs of meteor blast craters in Thunderin Steppes, Steam Front Mountains, and Jarsath Wastes.  Tons of other meteor rock from Luclin can be found in Sinking Sands, Jarsath (sp), Antonica, Thunderin Steppes, Loping Plains, Commonlands.....i mean in virtually every zone you will see them. I dont understand how you havent run across one</p>

[ke'la]

<cite>Arrex@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Luclin, the singular heavenly body, has been destroyed.  There is no Luclin anymore, only its remains.  If a person steps on a landmine and is blown up, do we say that they haven't been destroyed, despite the fact that they're dead and their body is scattered into fragments?  I wouldn't think so.  Similarly, Luclin has been destroyed, as has the continent of Antonica, though remnants of both still exist.</p></blockquote>Cremated remains are still referred to by the name of the individual, despite the fact that they were well and truly destroyed in body.  It is still Luclin, and it is still a heavenly body.  It still has gravity and an orbit.  The greatest part(s) of it are still where they were before, in orbit around Norrath.  It is ruptured, and it is broken, but the majority of it is still intact, if in an altered state.  If you over inflate a balloon, it breaks, but it is not destroyed.  Luclin endures.</blockquote>Or to use the posters own exsample, you step on a landmine and are extreemly lucky and it just takes a leg, Are you still you - a leg or are you now just "the remains of you"?

[Coniaric]

<p>It's all semantics.</p><p>Luclin is destroyed, shattered, ruined, destructed, ruptured, and/or any word with the context of damage or broken.</p><p>Luclin is destroyed ... as in cannot be repaired or restored by conventional means. Luclin was more than just a mere moon. It had entire civilizations which were wiped off the face of the moon along with the bodies of water and foliage. It is not what it used to be.</p><p>Well ... it's all in the perspective.</p>

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">A lot of the cities were underground too... mayhap there will be a SHARDS of Luclin Expansion, but they will need Gnomish ships to get between the chunks.As for like existing, life tends to find a way, especially when magic can be used.</span>

[Apocroph]

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">As for like existing, life tends to find a way, especially when magic can be used.</span></blockquote>Don't forget the goddess that is probably pretty [Removed for Content] somebody broke her ship-in-a-bottle.

[KniteShayd]

<cite>Grolne@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Arrex@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Velious is a continent on Norrath.  Luclin wasn't destroyed, though the catastrophic effects of what did happen are apparent in the night sky.</blockquote>Not destroyed... but I'd say pretty well broked.</blockquote><p>Not broked, mostly flooded. Velious was covered in ice, most of which melted. It should be something to the effect of a marshland, fjord, or even an archepelago by now.</p><p>Some people say that it is completely flooded, but I say no due to the nature of the geography. the only way it could be flooded is if the continent sank.</p>

[Allisia]

They're referring to Luclin, not Velious.

[Xita]

<p>of course the size of the luclin rocks compared to the craters they are in is silly. the size of the rock outside qeynos would have blasted the entire city into a little bit of ash and dust that would have been a light haze in the sky for a couple hundred years...</p>

[Mheryl]

In the water at Dreg's landing there's a pile of dirt you can examine.  Upon doing so, you get the text "These stones appear as if they may once have been the foundation of a hut.  Carved in one of the stones is the name, Grumbor Offaltop."I don't know if this is part of someone's epic or what, I never noticed it before today but then I haven't fished here in a long long time.  But when looking for the name online to see what it was, I found this thread.  Maybe finding out about which epic (if any) he's a part of would give you more of his lore.

[Cusashorn]

<p>*Waves at Mheryl*</p><p>So Grumbor Offaltop's house was where Dreg's Landing is now huh? Maybe he lived with the residents of Firiona Vie.</p>

[Mheryl]

Heyas Ouka =)I checked with some people cuz I thought this might be a quest that hadn't launched yet or something, but it's just some fluff to go with the book according to my source.But yeah, seems his hut was there =)

[NightGod473]

<p><cite>Quda wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As everyone else, I am curious about where the rest of the lore is.</p><p>There are dozens of stories that seem left hanging.  Is it just not out yet?  Where is it?</p><p>Maybe I missed a few here and there, but I have done my best to catch up.</p><p>A few things:</p><p>Grumbor Offaltop, the giant from the book littlest giant.  I would have liked to seen more of this guy, even if he is gone, where did he live?  There should still be some sort of shed left standing or pile of rocks if it fell.</p></blockquote><p>Oddly enough, I just found the remains of Grumbor's shed. I was swimming around in the area off the main docks in Kylong doing fishing for the Gathering Obsession quest and came across a pile of rubble on the ocean floor at loc 740, -13, 350. Clicking on them gives the text "These stones appear as if they may have once been the foundation of a hut. Carved in one of the stones is the name, "Grumbor Offaltop". Fun little bit of lore, I guess.</p>

[HealerMathi]

<p>FACT: Snakes like Luclin</p><p>FACT: Luclin chunks make new continents</p><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><cite></cite></p><blockquote><p>-North Qeynos</p><p>-Forest Ruins</p><p>-Antonica</p><p>-Thundering Steppes (not actual shards, but the craters of them)</p><p>-Sinking Sands (Two small ones that create foliage in the desert and bring back dead snakes to life thanks to the combination of the waters flowing through the Ewer of Sul'Dae)</p><p>-Timorous Deep (largest one by far)</p><p>-Jarsath Wastes (Two of them.)</p></blockquote><p>Also Greater Fay</p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Vendella@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>FACT: Snakes like Luclin</p><p>FACT: Luclin chunks make new continents</p></blockquote><p>So...where do your facts come from? Your not going to seriously call anything in DoF or TSO a continent are you? The entire Desert of Flames hardly counts as a large island, and the Moors of Yekesha is large for a single zone, but again hardly a continent makes. I believe dev would claim it to be part of Antonica if push came to shove as it was origionally part of that land mass in EQ1.</p><p>Oh, and if your going to say snakes and luclin go together, I'd say that Luclin and undead are the real key. Undead snakes and ghouls hang out on Luclin shards in DoF. A skad of undead hang out with a huge chunk of Luclin in Venaril's Crown in the Jasarath Wastes.</p>

[Gormak]

<p><cite>Quda wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>As everyone else, I am curious about where the rest of the lore is.</p><p>There are dozens of stories that seem left hanging.  Is it just not out yet?  Where is it?</p><p>Maybe I missed a few here and there, but I have done my best to catch up.</p><p>Example:  Where are the rest of the dragons?  According to Naggy there are several prismatic eggs.  Looking at the timeline for some of it, they should be dust by now, even with magic.Velious was distroyed, and rained down on Norrath, have any artifacts been discovered from it?Those that dared to find love with another race and cast out, where are they now?</p><p>A few things:Grumbor Offaltop, the giant from the book littlest giant.  I would have liked to seen more of this guy, even if he is gone, where did he live?  There should still be some sort of shed left standing or pile of rocks if it fell.Orthiss, the undead hunter looking for Venril, where is he now?Did I miss Durgen, the dwarf in the Rendering?  Would have liked to sit down and listened to his story and bought him a pint of ale.</p></blockquote><p>Interesting topic if we stick to it. was wondering this the other day.</p><p>The larger story arc, could be argued since game launch, but we'll say last 2 years or so, has been building to this void invasion. For so long we've had a story build up, and now, its almost time to either build a new arc, or revive an old one into somthing big.</p><p>This invasion is largely stopped (going off the signature quest details) with the completion of TSO.</p><p>So where to from here?</p><p>Alot of what is stated provokes further thought re EQ2:</p><p>The big question: Where is the next direction going to take us?</p><p>some further thoughts:</p><ul><li>On Dragons; as said, where do they come into it? they are meant to be on the wane, but always seem to persist. What would be interesting is some kind of late great final draconic war, be it over the return of Kerafym, or over these "eggs"/prismatic hatchlings we seem to expect Naggy and co to guard, or both!.</li><li>Zebuxxorruk. This guys now awakened and knows a hell of alot about, well, everything. This guy could either be the trigger for a new story arc; or the harbinger for the new arc itself.</li><li>Old school... Get back to the hatred and fueding between factions. Unlikely to happen IMO since things kinda get cloudy with mixed guilds etc etc, 1000's of reasons people could go into for and against here; would likely be a hiding to nothing for EQ2 team.</li><li>Odus. For 3 expansions (possibly more) we've seen the emergance of queluthians.... somthings going on, just a matter of how and when it gets tied in. Mind you.... Far Seas guys have had "teaser lore" about forgotten lands since launch.</li><li>Velious. Im not sure on this one. Velious was my favorite EQ1 expansion, but there will have to come a point where Nostalgic value is put aside for something all-new. Im just not sure its wise to keep pumping out expansions of former EQ1 land masses over and over. Would sure love to see it again though.</li><li>Ethermere??? I had expected the void invasion story to continue for 1 more expansion, with the expansion to follow TSO being exclusively Ethermere, based purely on how the lore was building. The (apparent) ubrupt halt to the Void Invasion story has me now almost forgetting this idea completely.</li><li>Mayong. Is there more to be squeezed out of this guy? another full expansion i would doubt.</li><li>Luclin. Maybe maybe not. Honestly from my point of view, its blown up, so its dead. </li><li>The old favorite (or not) - The Gods. As long as there is a diety presence ingame this offers plenty of story arc opportunities.</li></ul><p>My gut feel, is that we'll see a story arc develop over the next 6 months about something to do with Dragonkind. Its been stated (one of the devs posted a new year teaser (quoted below)) about some new lvl 80 quest hub in Lavastorm: see <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=439576">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=439576</a></p><p>That post is rather vague, but does give some very very limited insight as to where things may head. Or just a distraction until the real details comes through.</p>

[SageGaspar]

<p>I'm honestly not sure we're done with the void yet.</p><p>I know EQ1 and EQ2 are traveling down different lore paths but I thought their latest expansion is worth mentioning because it so closely parallels ours and is such a cool idea lorewise. Basically you take a portal in Plane of Time to the future where Zebuxoruk is the last being alive on all that remains of a post-apocalyptic Norrath, a chunk of rock floating in space with a little seedling representing the only other life ( <a href="http://www.massively.com/photos/everquest-seeds-of-destruction-tour/1045664/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.massively.com/photos/eve...n-tour/1045664/</a> ). That is veeshan's enormous corpse floating around in the background and the sun is on the verge of going nova. Various artifacts from the gods are floating around too. Basically just utter annhilation.</p><p>As it turns out the void creatures have meddled in history to cause this destruction, so you have to travel back in time to various pivotal events in history to set things right. What appears to be the culmination of this is a confrontation inside the void at the Citadel of the Worldslayer ( <a href="http://www.massively.com/photos/everquest-seeds-of-destruction-tour/1045643/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.massively.com/photos/eve...n-tour/1045643/</a> ). I dunno, some people have called me crazy but that looks incredibly like an EQ1 version of Palace of the Ancient One to me. If you look at another screenshot they have there you can see that it's floating on a chunk of rock just like Palace. I mean hell even the names follow a similar scheme <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Anyway these are just parallels I guess but I feel like Anashti Sul might not be the beginning and the end of the void, and actually by doing the Palace of the Ancient One raid you free her from a void prison to come back to Norrath as an avatar (which unlocks her deity quest too). It seems like this expansion was still very lax on detail about the void folk and there was a lot of build-up with Mistmoore that didn't really pay off here.</p><p>That said I would not mind a departure from all this in the least. There is a lot they could do with the draconic forces, Odus, the Far Seas company, Velious, or even a completely new direction unique to EQ2. I'd say the Underfoot even but I'm a little burnt out on caves hehe. Although with the right art direction it could be incredibly cool.</p><p>The thing they really have to do to catch people lorewise though is involve the players with major NPCs and a story that moves forward, and not just on the raid level. They could do a better job of explaining the zones and factions too. I think TSO was actually really good in this regard, but in RoK for instance if you don't know stuff from EQ1 already there isn't much background on a lot of the factions there. VP is basically just a collection of dragons sitting around waiting to die. Less straight up lore stories I guess I'd say (although those are still cool) and more storyline that actually unfolds in-game.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>^ I must admit, that Chrono Trigger concept for an expansion is pretty cool, but it's the Realm of Discord that is destroying Norrath for them. It's the Void for us.</p><p>Too bad that the fact that you have to kill Jaled'Dar screws with the timeline by ensuring that Emperor Ganak does not. Maybe you'll get a chance to make sure that the Firiona Vie outpost doesn't get taken over by evil forces this time around or something.</p>

[Cakassis]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Too bad that the fact that you have to kill Jaled'Dar screws with the timeline by ensuring that Emperor Ganak does not. Maybe you'll get a chance to make sure that the Firiona Vie outpost doesn't get taken over by evil forces this time around or something.</p></blockquote><p>I think the point is that you need to make sure that Jaled'Dar and Ganak die together, not that players kill him instead.  Whatever power Ganak has obtained from Discord had prevented that from happening by allowing Ganak to survive.</p>

[Gisallo]

<p>When it comes to Velious I have been wondering if the Painting "Velious Mourns" tells us that Velious is gone as the painting is clearly that of melting ice.  That between Luclin bombarding the plaent and the obvious plate tectonics that  broke up continents and shifted them around the world caused Velious to move closer to the equator.  As an "ice continent" it would have melted away (the rise in sea level would also explain some missing land mass).  Also while there was likely land underneath theice, the shere weight of it eventually compressed much of it to something that would technically be below sea level as happened in Antarctica (an average thickness of 1.6 kms will do that).  If the ice melted Velious wouldn't likely really be a continent anymore but a series of islands created by the remains of the mountain peaks that are still above the oceans surface.</p><p>At least this is the theory I have been working under of late.</p>