Immune to fear question

[Jeger_Wulf]

<p>I have a guiildmate who needs to kill Pirate Jones for his epic.  They said they got a tank who was a Paladin with the "immune to fear" AA, but he was feared anyway.</p><p>Is this true? I am hoping it is false. I thought immune to fear would mean immune to fear. My pally is only 37, but I am concerned. </p>

[Arkinon]

Unless dispelled. I have had some mobs in CoA dispell it then fear me but has only happened once. so yes only if dispelled. otherwise he is immune. I havent fount a Mob that can fear me unless they disspell it first.

[FrozenFrostbeard]

pirate jones is gonna fear you anyway. he just does, but everything that's not a silly epic pirate works fine.

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<p>I've run into a few mobs that will fear you regardless, I didn't notice if it was dispelled or not though.</p><p>Jones is just pita...plain and simple...I think we tried a good dozen or so times on him the first time we attempted to do him with no luck. We'd almost finish the encounter then end up with a chain of unfortunate events which would end up with me being the last person standing.</p><p>I think signet of clear voice or whatnot might help. Basically what's going to happen is he's going to call 2 sets of adds through out the fight. If I'm not mistaken his little bird Rawk is going to be a source of some of his tricks, so if you can get rid of the bird some how you might have a chance. </p><p>I ended up being able to do it with the swash AE blocker in combination with some AE blocker dirges have. The defiler dog pet will block some of the AOE as well. As long as you can keep the healers and mezzer up you will have a chance, otherwise you'll just end up wiping and starting over.</p><p>It seems this encounter is just dumb luck for the most part. If you end up getting into the fight and he lands various things at the wrong time you're just screwed and have to start again.</p><p>Honestly, he's the absolute hardest mob for any epic questline in the game and needs a slight adjustment.</p>

[motogp]

<p>Makes alot of sence. Fear immune = you still get feared.  Think it should be called sorta fear immune "ish". Its small details like this that snowball into becoming a hater.  I dont give a crap if its fixed or not. the Paladin epic is a crap box when side by side to the guard one, There should not be any Paladins in game for raids anyway. Tower shield and 70% double attack? are you kidding!!?</p>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<p>The number of things that still fear you regardless are actually quite few, and mostly raid mobs. And like someone mentioned earlier, it's probably due to dispelling your fear immunity or just an innate overpowering fear that ignores immunity, just like some mobs will still stifle regardless if you use freedom of mind potions or not.</p><p>I think I got feared by one or two of the mobs in Protector's Realm, but don't remember exactly. That and Pirate Jones. There might have been one or two others somewhere, but I don't recall them right off.</p>

[motogp]

<cite>Garthan@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The number of things that still fear you regardless are actually quite few, and mostly raid mobs. And like someone mentioned earlier, it's probably due to dispelling your fear immunity or just an innate overpowering fear that ignores immunity, just like some mobs will still stifle regardless if you use freedom of mind potions or not.</p><p>I think I got feared by one or two of the mobs in Protector's Realm, but don't remember exactly. That and Pirate Jones. There might have been one or two others somewhere, but I don't recall them right off.</p></blockquote>Its not about that. its about all the AA points you have put in that line to get Fear immunity. And then  have it not work? I was feared by that pirate, and i was not dispelled. To use all the points in that AA line thinking we can fight a mob that fears, And then only to be feared after we put the points in that AA line. What a pile of crap.  We are not feared by VS, Who........gives........a...........crap.

[Meirril]

<cite>motogpgp wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Garthan@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The number of things that still fear you regardless are actually quite few, and mostly raid mobs. And like someone mentioned earlier, it's probably due to dispelling your fear immunity or just an innate overpowering fear that ignores immunity, just like some mobs will still stifle regardless if you use freedom of mind potions or not.</p><p>I think I got feared by one or two of the mobs in Protector's Realm, but don't remember exactly. That and Pirate Jones. There might have been one or two others somewhere, but I don't recall them right off.</p></blockquote>Its not about that. its about all the AA points you have put in that line to get Fear immunity. And then  have it not work? I was feared by that pirate, and i was not dispelled. To use all the points in that AA line thinking we can fight a mob that fears, And then only to be feared after we put the points in that AA line. What a pile of crap.  We are not feared by VS, Who........gives........a...........crap. </blockquote><p>There is a significant difference between being feared by a few named mobs and being feared by trash mobs. Being feared in an encounter that the devs feel fear is absolutely mandatory I'll live with. Being feared by trash mobs...was enough of a reason for me to sink 25 points into an AA line I have no love for otherwise.</p><p>Actually it isn't a bad AA line if you do a lot of grouping. It just isn't what I'd call a good AA line either. The skill bonuses need to be tweaked a bit. When you had to use a sword to get the benifits the skill bonus only applying to slashing is understandable. Now? It needs to encompas crushing and piercing as well. We use bows too, ranged would help not only us but the occasional ranger as well.</p>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<p>I personally would have a hard time giving up the line, one of our raid MT pallies respec'd recently and he's starting to miss his fear immunity LOL.</p><p>I mostly MA raids, gear is still lacking a bit, so I generally let the SK or other raid pally tank. When I have tanked the occasional raid, it does help immensly on some of the raid mobs that fear like in Lyceum and I think that one guy in Labs (it's been a while since we did KoS regularly). Grouping it's great, the priest of fear in Unrest is a good example of really needing it, I've seen groups either wipe or near wipe because the tank is running around the room feared along with the rest of them.</p><p>I agree, I found most of the line kind of lack-luster since they changed it a while back. Even then, a lot of the line wasn't all that great. I'm mostly interested in the wisdom bonus for resists and the fear immunity really. The rest of it, well, meh, not so exciting.</p>

[Tames]

You have to recast the fear immunity after death also, it should be passive but it isnt. If you forget to recast then no immunity <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Meirril]

<p>The more I think about the fear immunity being a buff, the more sure I am that it was done so it could be dispelled. Named mobs like the ones in CoA randomly debuff. They also fear. If you ignore their debuffing long enough, they will get your fear immunity. How do you stop this? Pay attention and recast your faster buffs during the fight. If your healer is on the ball, they can help stop this from happening as well.</p><p>And when I said trash mobs, I really ment trash. Some of the mobs in Sebilis fear. I can't remember their names, but they are elite guards towards the back of the top floor. Being feared by one of them, into another one of them which leads to even more adds....ugh.</p>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<p>The mobs in CoA (and I'm sure it holds true for others) will dispell buffs in reverse of how you cast them.</p><p>Your stance should always be the first buff you cast so you don't get it dispelled and 1 shotted. Fear immunity should come next so you have a bit of padding before it actually gets dispelled.</p>

[Arkinon]

I generally cast my spells in the same order each time and it has seemed to be random as to which ones get dispelled. however when I recast these spells it changes the order but again it seems to be random... ill have to pay more attention to see whats its actually affecting. I went with a different spec and after about a week went back to it. it would annoy me to no end to be killed by a mob because I got feared for what seemed to be a lifetime and or watch others die cause I was unable to regain aggro after.

[Meirril]

<cite>Garthan@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The mobs in CoA (and I'm sure it holds true for others) will dispell buffs in reverse of how you cast them.</p><p>Your stance should always be the first buff you cast so you don't get it dispelled and 1 shotted. Fear immunity should come next so you have a bit of padding before it actually gets dispelled.</p></blockquote><p>If that is true, it actually might be best to cast your stance last. The reason is stances are very short cast (instant?), non-interuptable, and have no power cost. If you use defensive stance like I do this means a significant loss of mittigation and wisdom/power/resistance but this can be managed by having the stance on your active hotbars waiting to be recast. </p><p>However, taking CoA as a prime example I generally find that our personal HP self buff and personal weapon proc are the first 2 buffs to be stripped. I'm not sure in which order, but it happens all the time when fighting the named in there. I do not cast these 2 buffs last. They are near the end of my buffing order, but other buffs are cast in between them and they remain up. Also generally my last buff cast is amends, which generally remains uneffected. </p>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<p>Yeah, I cast amends last usually or my group member avoid buff.</p><p>My duo partner mentioned that she read that the dispells from the last guy in CoA go in reverse casting order. I noticed this later when my amends would always drop and she would get aggro immediately. Then my raid armament. I have been dropped by that mob before and gotten up and the first thing I did was hit amends on the swash, hit my defensive stance and my HP buff and pulled aggro back, the first things to go were the HP and stance and I got 1 shotted again.</p><p>But who knows <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Everything happens so quickly it's hard to tell unless you fraps it LOL. From general observations it does seem that most of the time it's dispelled in reverse order of casting after she mentioned that to me.</p><p>I do know that the first thing to go in Unrest is damage proc buffs 90% of the time, plus my raid armament (yeah, I know it's kinda not very useful, but I really wanted the Cure Spells for the extra hate and so I didn't have to count on the healers being on top of cures, plus what's better than curing your group members and getting extra hate?) or my HP buff. In Unrest it seems pretty random, but most of the time those are the ones that go first.</p><p>In PR, I do know on the last run we did I got feared and was like [Removed for Content]?!?! I do distinctly remember at least 3 of the last buffs I had cast were dispelled. But it could have been dumb luck. I didn't notice if my fear immunity or whatnot had been dispelled because as soon as I was no longer feared I was chasing down the Heirophant and Seer trying to get one off the MT and the other off one of the casters.</p>

[Emirikol]

Yeah, Pirate Jones is a special case and does ignore that AA ability.  It could be a bug though.