Please assassinate the arasai

[Ama]

The lag on Kithicor is getting outta hand.  I'm in a PR raid and my packet loss just jumped to an all time high of 75.  Also hearing about lag from other people in other areas.  Those little arasai need to be assassinate or atleast put out new fly strips.

[Rijacki]

*blink*you and some others have lag and so you want to assassinate arasai?  what in sam hill has one got to do with the other? Have you completely lost it?

[Cristofoli]

Please upgrade your aged pc :p  Save the Arasai!

[Norrsken]

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>*blink*you and some others have lag and so you want to assassinate arasai?  what in sam hill has one got to do with the other? Have you completely lost it?</blockquote>Massive amounts of fluttering wings giving lag perhaps? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />that being said, having an assassin on a pvp server, I have assassinated a few arasais. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ama]

<cite>Cristofoli wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please upgrade your aged pc :p  Save the Arasai!</blockquote><p>3.2 gig processor with 2 gigs of ram and an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb graphics card.  I haven't had to upgrade my system yet and it runs all programs fine. </p><p>Assassinate those dirty arasai before they assassinate more server hamsters!!!</p><p>*Serious*</p><p>Server lag was horrendous and actually I just had to type /exit because I couldn't cast my call home spell.  Luckily though we had our Tier 1 uber raid group and managed to complete PR.  Got hairy at the end with the golem because we lagged for so long group 2 was insta wiped, but group 4 the MT group stayed up.  Managed to revive group 2 and take his worthless hide down. </p>

[Cristofoli]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cristofoli wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please upgrade your aged pc :p  Save the Arasai!</blockquote><p><snip>....an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb graphics card....<snip></p></blockquote><p>I too had an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro......5 years ago!  It really doesn't matter if you're able to run Pong with your graphic settings set to high.  EQ2 is a whole different beast.  Sure, sounds harsh but it's true.  You can't possibly complain about lag on aged hardware and expect to be taken seriously.</p><p>EQ2 has been out for years but take into consideration that all the expansions bring out content that's more graphics heavy than what it had years before.  If your comp can't cut it now imagine how poorly it will do after the next expansion.</p><p>The only problem I see for you is the graphics card.  Sadly in order to upgrade you'll probably have to upgrade your Mobo to at least something that supports an x16 AGP card (which is still considered old by todays standards).  If you upgrade the mobo you'll probably upgrade the CPU and the ram (since the board will support much faster ram), etc etc.  Eventually it turns into a whole new computer.</p><p>The good news is you can probably just buy a whole new mid range pc that should out perform your current pc for less than 1k.</p><p>Edit:  Sorry if I sound like a jerk.  I'm not too sure how to word this to break it to you easily.  I'm just calling it as I see it.</p>

[Kelin]

2.4 gig processor with 2 gigs ram and a unsupported embedded video card on a laptop and I have no problems in those zones.Maybe you could try cleaning your fans or something.

[Teyaha]

half of you are confusing fps issues with lag

[Ama]

<cite>Cristofoli wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cristofoli wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please upgrade your aged pc :p  Save the Arasai!</blockquote><p><snip>....an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb graphics card....<snip></p></blockquote><p>I too had an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro......5 years ago!  It really doesn't matter if you're able to run Pong with your graphic settings set to high.  EQ2 is a whole different beast.  Sure, sounds harsh but it's true.  You can't possibly complain about lag on aged hardware and expect to be taken seriously.</p><p>EQ2 has been out for years but take into consideration that all the expansions bring out content that's more graphics heavy than what it had years before.  If your comp can't cut it now imagine how poorly it will do after the next expansion.</p><p>The only problem I see for you is the graphics card.  Sadly in order to upgrade you'll probably have to upgrade your Mobo to at least something that supports an x16 AGP card (which is still considered old by todays standards).  If you upgrade the mobo you'll probably upgrade the CPU and the ram (since the board will support much faster ram), etc etc.  Eventually it turns into a whole new computer.</p><p>The good news is you can probably just buy a whole new mid range pc that should out perform your current pc for less than 1k.</p><p>Edit:  Sorry if I sound like a jerk.  I'm not too sure how to word this to break it to you easily.  I'm just calling it as I see it.</p></blockquote><p>Lets see now....</p><p>HL2: Runs Fine including CS:S, TF2, etc...</p><p>Experimental projects involving large scenary with HL2's program Hammer, NP compiling/running it. </p><p>The lag was server based bud and other people had it so it's not my graphics card. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>O and something to really burn you i'm running on the drivers that were installed with my graphics card.  I have not updated them yet and it runs perfectly fine. </p>

[Cristofoli]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cristofoli wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cristofoli wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please upgrade your aged pc :p  Save the Arasai!</blockquote><p><snip>....an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb graphics card....<snip></p></blockquote><p>I too had an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro......5 years ago!  It really doesn't matter if you're able to run Pong with your graphic settings set to high.  EQ2 is a whole different beast.  Sure, sounds harsh but it's true.  You can't possibly complain about lag on aged hardware and expect to be taken seriously.</p><p>EQ2 has been out for years but take into consideration that all the expansions bring out content that's more graphics heavy than what it had years before.  If your comp can't cut it now imagine how poorly it will do after the next expansion.</p><p>The only problem I see for you is the graphics card.  Sadly in order to upgrade you'll probably have to upgrade your Mobo to at least something that supports an x16 AGP card (which is still considered old by todays standards).  If you upgrade the mobo you'll probably upgrade the CPU and the ram (since the board will support much faster ram), etc etc.  Eventually it turns into a whole new computer.</p><p>The good news is you can probably just buy a whole new mid range pc that should out perform your current pc for less than 1k.</p><p>Edit:  Sorry if I sound like a jerk.  I'm not too sure how to word this to break it to you easily.  I'm just calling it as I see it.</p></blockquote><p>Lets see now....</p><p>HL2: Runs Fine including CS:S, TF2, etc...</p><p>Experimental projects involving large scenary with HL2's program Hammer, NP compiling/running it. </p><p>The lag was server based bud and other people had it so it's not my graphics card. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>O and something to really burn you i'm running on the drivers that were installed with my graphics card.  I have not updated them yet and it runs perfectly fine. </p></blockquote><p>You forgot the part where I said I owned a 9800 pro.  I pretty much had the exact rig you're using now,  5 years ago.  I KNOW what the cause of the "Lag" you're experiencing is.  Take it or leave it.</p><p>Just to add.  I currently have a Nvidia 7950 GX2 with 1 gig of ram on the card.  It's a dual gpu video card.  By no means is it the best card out there (especially since DX10 came around) but it pretty much kills the card you're using.  To get to my point:  Even with the card I have I still experience "Lag" if using to higher settings in EQ2.  </p><p>Edit:"O and something to really burn you i'm running on the drivers that were installed with my graphics card.  I have not updated them yet and it runs perfectly fine"</p><p>You really shoot yourself in the foot with a comment like that.  The point on each release of drivers is to constantly improve the performance of your card.  So in one breath you admit to not having the best possible drivers and on the other you complain about performance issues.  Anyway, like I said, you can take or leave the info I've provided you with.  You can choose to take it or ignore it.  I'm not sure I can add much more to sway your opinion.</p>

[Ama]

<cite>Cristofoli wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cristofoli wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cristofoli wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please upgrade your aged pc :p  Save the Arasai!</blockquote><p><snip>....an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256mb graphics card....<snip></p></blockquote><p>I too had an ATI Radeon 9800 Pro......5 years ago!  It really doesn't matter if you're able to run Pong with your graphic settings set to high.  EQ2 is a whole different beast.  Sure, sounds harsh but it's true.  You can't possibly complain about lag on aged hardware and expect to be taken seriously.</p><p>EQ2 has been out for years but take into consideration that all the expansions bring out content that's more graphics heavy than what it had years before.  If your comp can't cut it now imagine how poorly it will do after the next expansion.</p><p>The only problem I see for you is the graphics card.  Sadly in order to upgrade you'll probably have to upgrade your Mobo to at least something that supports an x16 AGP card (which is still considered old by todays standards).  If you upgrade the mobo you'll probably upgrade the CPU and the ram (since the board will support much faster ram), etc etc.  Eventually it turns into a whole new computer.</p><p>The good news is you can probably just buy a whole new mid range pc that should out perform your current pc for less than 1k.</p><p>Edit:  Sorry if I sound like a jerk.  I'm not too sure how to word this to break it to you easily.  I'm just calling it as I see it.</p></blockquote><p>Lets see now....</p><p>HL2: Runs Fine including CS:S, TF2, etc...</p><p>Experimental projects involving large scenary with HL2's program Hammer, NP compiling/running it. </p><p>The lag was server based bud and other people had it so it's not my graphics card. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>O and something to really burn you i'm running on the drivers that were installed with my graphics card.  I have not updated them yet and it runs perfectly fine. </p></blockquote><p>You forgot the part where I said I owned a 9800 pro.  I pretty much had the exact rig you're using now,  5 years ago.  I KNOW what the cause of the "Lag" you're experiencing is.  Take it or leave it.</p><p>Just to add.  I currently have a Nvidia 7950 GX2 with 1 gig of ram on the card.  It's a dual gpu video card.  By no means is it the best card out there (especially since DX10 came around) but it pretty much kills the card you're using.  To get to my point:  Even with the card I have I still experience "Lag" if using to higher settings in EQ2.  </p><p>Edit:"O and something to really burn you i'm running on the drivers that were installed with my graphics card.  I have not updated them yet and it runs perfectly fine"</p><p>You really shoot yourself in the foot with a comment like that.  The point on each release of drivers is to constantly improve the performance of your card.  So in one breath you admit to not having the best possible drivers and on the other you complain about performance issues.  Anyway, like I said, you can take or leave the info I've provided you with.  You can choose to take it or ignore it.  I'm not sure I can add much more to sway your opinion.</p></blockquote>Well lets see....I just logged out to change toons and it said server locked and only showed 4 of my toons.  Plus i'm not the only one experiencing it....ya it's gotta be my "old Fart Dusty Rig" I think not.

[Tyberi]

A) EQ2 is mostly a CPU based game, the VPU is rather minor in the performance of the game.B) Its not the fae/arasai that cause the lag. Its the bad server/client coding and server hardware.

[Cristofoli]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well lets see....I just logged out to change toons and it said server locked and only showed 4 of my toons.  Plus i'm not the only one experiencing it....ya it's gotta be my "old Fart Dusty Rig" I think not. </blockquote>Ok that's totally unrelated to your graphical "lag".  Now you're just twisting the issue.

[Cristofoli]

<cite>Tyberion@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>A) EQ2 is mostly a CPU based game, the VPU is rather minor in the performance of the game.B) Its not the fae/arasai that cause the lag. Its the bad server/client coding and server hardware.</blockquote>EQ2 deffinately relies on the CPU alot but there's no denying that if you want to meet a certain graphical performance you have to have a good video card.  The server doesn't actually do any rendering.  It's just code that's being sent to all the clients to keep them up to date.  With that in mind if the server is sending you information to 10 players around you or 100 players around you the load on the server really doesn't increase to the point where it can cause the lag the OP is discribing.

[Tyberi]

Yes, yes it can.It does much of the processing server side, calculations of distance and timing of effects etc etc that are then compared to what the client has calculated and then it renders. The larger the number of effects, changing distances of more effects, and the slip shod coding and accessing involved with the databases that occurs in any system that has been tacked onto for three years and you get slow downs.Like say you have 150+ people in zone and are trying to pull contested mobs, people standing all over you, the server bogs down and then your computer bogs down. In that situation my main rig goes from 50/60 fps to a stellar slide show of 7-15 fps.Video card does matter, for a very small portion of the actual displayed graphicsThe difference between my 2.4g Core2Duo 4gig ram with an 8600m GT laptop and my 2.16g core2duo 2 gig of ram with intel built in graphics laptop and then my old desktop with a 3.2g p4 2g ram and an x1950?Compared to the first laptop I have to turn shaders down on the second laptop and on the desktop I have to run everything at minimum.So yeah, the CPU is <b><i>much</i></b> more important than the video card. This has been, what I thought to be, common knowledge since release.

[Rijacki]

I still want to know what the sod this has to do with arasai.  The subject line of this thread is inane and has zero to do with the contents.  Or did the OP use that subject in an attempt to have a "tech" thread not moved from the gameplay forum to the tech forum.Yes, there is lag.  Yes, there is more lag since the last GU.  Yes, your own computer and your own connection to the Internet could be causing some of the issues (the memory leak still exists, for one thing). Yes, the lag issues are taking down or making unstable a lot of marginal (like the OP's) computers especially if they run with anything except grey lumpies.The devs have acknowledged there is an increase in lag in some places and are baffled by it because they've been trying every which way to reduce the lag (and sometimes seem to be suceeding).

[Ama]

<cite>Rijacki wrote:</cite><blockquote>I still want to know what the sod this has to do with arasai.  The subject line of this thread is inane and has zero to do with the contents.  Or did the OP use that subject in an attempt to have a "tech" thread not moved from the gameplay forum to the tech forum.Yes, there is lag.  Yes, there is more lag since the last GU.  Yes, your own computer and your own connection to the Internet could be causing some of the issues (the memory leak still exists, for one thing). Yes, the lag issues are taking down or making unstable a lot of marginal (like the OP's) computers especially if they run with anything except grey lumpies.The devs have acknowledged there is an increase in lag in some places and are baffled by it because they've been trying every which way to reduce the lag (and sometimes seem to be suceeding).</blockquote><p>It's a bit of a joke/running gag I liked and decided to pick up on.  I think it was when neriak was released gnobrin or grimwell said the arasai were assassinating server hamsters causing lag.  </p><p>Just hope the lag is fixed cause it was totally evil for my raid in PR.  Personally I find it sheer luck we were able to make it through PR without having 1/2 the raid go to lag hell. </p>

[Allisia]

I'm on the same server you are.  In fact, I was on yesterday when you were complaining about Sony "humping the servers" or whatever it was.  I had no connection or lag problems all day, so it wasn't a server issue.  I was on from about 1pm Central to about 2am.  I switched characters, and had some afks, but was logged in non stop during that period.

[Amphibia]

This thread makes Emoboi sad..... <img src="http://i93.photobucket.com/albums/l80/myrtelolaf/sademo.jpg" alt="" border="0" />Look what you did! He might have a razor blade somewhere in his bags too.....<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Siclone]

<p>why when someone brings up lag, it turns into a computer spec thread??</p><p>We someone brings up lag they are talking server lag, ok got it yet??</p><p>the person computer spec has nothing to do with it.  </p><p>When you are in eof zones and raiding and doing all you do and get no lag</p><p>Then you go to RoK and lag out on solo mobs, its not you.</p><p>its a server performance things...All you kids bought into this large zone BS and the lag in RoK sucks the large zones suck, so you got a million solo mobs,,,,,,,,hope the lag was worth it.  </p>

[TSR-DanT]

Ok Ok there were some good points made at the start of this thread but I'm going to lock it now as I see it possibly going the other way, and not much else can be said at this point.