Defiler solo compared to other priest ?

[yzyh]

<p>My brother wanna make a healer (and I am a SK). he do have a templar lvl 22 ATM but soloing on him seem a pita. It s long to kill anything and atm he seems to have problem to kill an even con.</p><p>Would a Defiler be any bether at soloing ?</p><p>Woudl a Defiler be able to Mheal in group ?</p>

[arieste]

AFAIK, Furies and Mystics solo faster than us, other healers slower.

[Beastmage]

<p>I think templars are the only class slower than us at soloing.</p><p>And yes, a defiler can be the primary healer for about any group.</p>

[Claimh_Sola]

I'm level 22 as a defiler as well, and so far, I've had no trouble soloing whatsoever. I've gone down the Int AA line to 448 to start with. All I do is dot with rabies, hit HO starter, hit Infection, and then Sickening Imprecation. I'll turn on auto attack and just start spamming Imprecation as it comes up and I do just fine. If things get tough or I get adds I'll put up my ward, but usually I never need it. I've done blue ^^ heroics without any problems at all, so no, I don't think defilers have much trouble soloing at least in the lower levels. I'm kinda chomping at the bit to get Fuliginous Sphere, because the 30 second reuse on Rabies means I usually only use it every other fight, so it'll be nice to have a bit more firepower.Also, to be honest, before I got enough AA's, soloing on my Inquisitor in the lower levels was far more painful. Except for having the extra dot that Rabies gives, my defiler didn't really need any AA's to be a decent soloer/duoer.Good luck to you <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />

[Illine]

<p>it's a healer class so it's slow of course. Plus we only have dots, so it's not helping <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but I'm lvl38 and I can solo quite well (with all my spells ad 3 min or master 1) and a mastercrafted gear.</p><p>I took agi and int lines to have more crits. We're not furys and our casts are slow. Our ward is slow to cast and so more easily interrupted. WE don't have root, or a little one with the agi line attack but dot's beak it fast.</p><p>What I do is cast my group ward before attacking, so it's time gained and tthen I do a lot of HO.</p><p>The best is to duo with let's say ... a brawler type class. They dps and never get hit with our ward on <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>mystics might be better by taking the 100% melee crit and changing their attack spells by  melee spells. and I don't know about the defiler AAs, if the dps line is usefull to solo.</p>

[Dechau]

With a 73 Defiler and a 72 warden I would say that for solo and duo'ing I would choose the Warden any day, but in full groups and raids the Defiler is > Warden for sure..

[big perm]

<p>Defilers suck at soloing, but really comes down to the player...which means they suck at soloing. </p><p>Defilers ARE MH's, so there is no question there.</p><p>If you guys are duoing with a tank and a healer, then you guys already have the hardest elements to find in any group. Pick up some dps (they are usually lying around, and are a dime a dozen) and run with a full group.</p><p>I'm still an old fashioned kind of guy though...Tanks should tank, dps'ers should dps, and healers should heal.</p>

[Dechau]

<cite>big perm wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Defilers suck at soloing, but really comes down to the player...which means they suck at soloing. </p><p>Defilers ARE MH's, so there is no question there.</p><p>If you guys are duoing with a tank and a healer, then you guys already have the hardest elements to find in any group. Pick up some dps (they are usually lying around, and are a dime a dozen) and run with a full group.</p><p>I'm still an old fashioned kind of guy though...Tanks should tank, dps'ers should dps, and healers should heal.</p></blockquote>You do realise that this is the year of 2008 right ?Tanks can DPS, DPS can tank, Healers can Tank AND DPS <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[KatrinaDeath]

<cite>arieste wrote:</cite><blockquote>AFAIK, Furies and Mystics solo faster than us, other healers slower. </blockquote><p>Inquis and Warden would have to go on top of of the Defiler. The Inquis melee spec and ca abilities rival that of the Mystics. The inquis will auto attack harder but slower as they get more DPS and less Haste. Both druids solo very well.</p><p>However, I did solo or at times duo my Defiler to 60. (at that time I betrayed for PvP reasons) It is do-able but does take longer. You do have the upper hand with chain over the leather of the druids. If I had to relevel my toon I think I would still start as a Defiler because the focus is on healing the whole way. As a Mystic now I have many roles... Tanking CoA, DPSing any instance, healing, AE mezzing full groups of PvP for kicks...</p><p>All said the Defiler is a great class. But seeing that you play an SK I think a could argue any of the six healers for the duo.</p>

[Greggthegrmreapr]

Defliers can solo, it just takes forever.  If you want to be a soloing healer, play a mystic.

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>^^ not sure I agree.  70 Defiler on Venekor, now leveling another one on AB cause I miss it (currently level 44).  I would have said this was true back in The Day (tm) before AAs.  It was painful then.   </p><p>Now (as a previous poster said_...with some AA's in INT for damage - I'm soloing as fast on Defiler as I did on Warden the very first time around (also pre AA), and it's not at all painful. </p><p>That said, if I were grouping mostly (as my PvP Defiler did)..I'd spec an entirely different way to max wards and heals - but if you grouping casually (vs raiding or hardcore PvP), things really have changed and it's not so miserable as it once was.</p><p>I agree with:  if you roll ANY kind of healer, you shouldn't be thinking of soloing mostly.  I think a healer's role is aimed at ..well..healing..and for those that can't heal themselves.  That's how I like to play it, anyway.     But in this case, I'm leveling the character just to level (since transfers clearly aren't going to happen).  Once I get back to a level to raid or do more difficult groups, then for sure, my ward/heal ability will take precedence (sp?) and will make soloing once again really painful.</p><p>Also, all heal classes are able to handle MH in any group, short of raids.   There's no MH/Backup healer classification here,  really.  If I'm on my Warden (nicely fabled, sort of Mastered...raid ready AA) and I hear "LF Backup healer"  ..my eyebrow goes up and I say "Backup to...whom?"   Every heal class has a weakness, but they are all able to solo heal most casual content, IMO.My 2,</p>

[sabarjp]

All priests solo very slow IMO regardless of spec or gear. Once you've played a scout or mage or even a fighter killing stuff just takes an eternity as a healer.  I play in a group 95% of the time and it's usually no big deal, but I occassionally wish I could kill something on my own and not take a minute to do it. By the time I've killed my mob, my warlock friend has dropped 3 of them <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  But anyways, they all solo slow.  Druids a bit faster and clerics on the battle line a bit faster  as well.

[Vicenzo]

<p>If you're duoing with a SK - roll a Defiler.   Any old healer will prop up the SK without any trouble, but Defiler has one bonus aspect here that people rarely mention : Disease debuffs - a lot of them (and they stack with the SK's).   A defiler can rip the heart out of the strongest disease mit and both the SK and Defiler use disease attacks as standard.   Both toons dps will go up considerably.</p>

[Sedenten]

<cite>yzyh wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My brother wanna make a healer (and I am a SK). he do have a templar lvl 22 ATM but soloing on him seem a pita. It s long to kill anything and atm he seems to have problem to kill an even con.</p><p>Would a Defiler be any bether at soloing ?</p><p>Woudl a Defiler be able to Mheal in group ?</p></blockquote>Defilers can be "OK" at soloing if you go with a damage oriented DPS spec.  If you're 100% healing, soloing will be slow but you won't have too many problems as long as you get the basics of how to play a shaman class down.  Templars and Defilers are about the same idea with soloing--they take forever but both do have DPS specs available to help that out a bit.<b>All priests can main heal in a group situation.</b>  Defilers are one of the best main healers, and typically take the forefront over other healers in a <i>majority</i> of situations.  There's plenty of situations where clerics and druids will thrive over us in that category.  Defilers, like templars, are designed with healing as a primary duty.  Other than debuffing, that's our forte.The answer to both questions also depend entirely on how well you pick up playing a shaman type healer.  I can take any healing class in this game and that class will be the best healer in all situations provided the player behind the character knows the class well.  All of the priests are extremely well balanced for the most part in that respect.

[funkmasterflex]

<cite>Dechau wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>big perm wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Defilers suck at soloing, but really comes down to the player...which means they suck at soloing. </p><p>Defilers ARE MH's, so there is no question there.</p><p>If you guys are duoing with a tank and a healer, then you guys already have the hardest elements to find in any group. Pick up some dps (they are usually lying around, and are a dime a dozen) and run with a full group.</p><p>I'm still an old fashioned kind of guy though...Tanks should tank, dps'ers should dps, and healers should heal.</p></blockquote><p>You do realise that this is the year of 2008 right ?Tanks can DPS, DPS can tank, Healers can Tank AND DPS <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p><b>And if  you're really good, a necro can tank  !</b></p></blockquote>

[Seraphin]

<p>Hmm, I dunno. I started EQ2 mid Jan of this year and I dont play every night/weekend. usually after work around 730 or so after my kid goes to bed and only until about midnight. Ive soloed up to level 75 so far. I dont know if 3 months is a long time to go from scratch to 75, but Ive never had an issue with it since Im in no rush to 80 for any particular reason. First time ive ever played anything other then a priest/cleric in an online game. Compared to EQ1, leveling solo as a defiler is a godsend ;p</p><p>The handful of times Ive duoed with a caster, things did seem to move along quicker but oh well..</p>

[littleman17]

<p>Slow but safe. That is how I would describe the way a Defiler solos. We can stand safely behind our wards for a very long time, and regen any health we lose inbetween wards very quickly. While behind our wards, both us and our dog sit there and annoy our enemy to death. My level 40 defiler solo'd some level 33 named mob in the thundering steppes the other day when it got the jump on him. He got me down into the yellow before I could ward, spin around, and dot his undead behind to death. He never got me under the hp level that his initial salvo took me to.</p><p>If I could get past those dang annoying void creatures (there are so dang many of them I can't cast a single spell.), I could probably solo Varsoon if I tried hard enough. Has anyone mentioned that defiler masters are generally cheap compared to others classes?</p>

[Finora]

<cite>littleman17 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Slow but safe. That is how I would describe the way a Defiler solos. We can stand safely behind our wards for a very long time, and regen any health we lose inbetween wards very quickly. <span style="color: #cc6666;"><b>While behind our wards, both us and our dog sit there and annoy our enemy to death.</b></span> My level 40 defiler solo'd some level 33 named mob in the thundering steppes the other day when it got the jump on him. He got me down into the yellow before I could ward, spin around, and dot his undead behind to death. He never got me under the hp level that his initial salvo took me to.</p><p>If I could get past those dang annoying void creatures (there are so dang many of them I can't cast a single spell.), I could probably solo Varsoon if I tried hard enough. Has anyone mentioned that defiler masters are generally cheap compared to others classes?</p></blockquote><p>I laughed out loud at this. So true. Actually, I used the same words to describe leveling up my mystic long ago pre-aa. </p><p>That being said, I have had little trouble soloing up my little defiler (53 now). It feels easier than  leveling my mystic up pre-aa (by pre-aa I mean pre-expansions hehe).</p>

[Karlen]

<span class="postbody">>>>I have had little trouble soloing up my little defiler (53 now). It feels easier than  leveling my mystic up pre-aa (by pre-aa I mean pre-expansions hehe)<<<I have defiler up to 28 now after playing a mystic to 74 (mystic levelled to 60ish pre-AAs).   I agree with this comment.  But fighting with the mystic pre-AA was really slow and so is the defiler.  EDIT: Mystic with combat AAs is NOT slow because 100 melee crits plus CAs that crit everytime plus big STR buffs plus hitting every time means you do quite a bit of damage quickly.I have 75% melee crits now and am about to start on spell crits.  I haven't spent any points in the Defiler page yet.The mystic AA that I am really missing is the last one in the combat tree that gives you the skill plus -- which meant my mystic hits everytime with autoattack while my defiler doesn't.   I don't have much trouble fighting yellow solo mobs but it can take a lot of power to keep refreshing my DoTs and it takes a long time to work through a mob.One thing that has really helped is that, being an iksar, I have a racial poison DoT that has a range of 50 which is great for pulling, since the range of my spells is somewhat less than that and I don't have ranged weapons.</span>