Cannot get to 30k faction with Riliss as pure crafter

[Andira]

I have run into a problem with the RoK writs as a pure crafter (my carpenter is lvl 25 adv):I did Danak and Bathezid over the last week and got them to 30250 and 30000 faction respectively. Today I was about to finish up Riliss, but lo and behold, I get to 29750 and the taskmaster won't give me any more writs. Strangely enough I haven't heard of this problem before. I would have thought other low adventure crafters would have had the same issueMy alchemist has encountered this issue in Bathezid, but she is also high adventurer and I figured the numbers were just screwed up because she also did quests and killed some sarnak in the fens. For her it wasn't an issue, because she still had quests to do and she had no problem getting to 50k faction. I have also heard of other adventurers/crafters who ran into this issueNow my carpenter has obviously never done anything else but the quests to get non KoS with all the factions and crafting writs for 750 faction at a time. I would have thought the faction you get for the Greeblentus quests was calculated so that you would be able to hit 30k with the writs. As a low level adventurer I don't even have the choice of losing faction to get below the threshold where I would get that last writ to boost me to 30k. What did I do wrong and what can I do about this?

[greenmantle]

<cite>Andira wrote:</cite><blockquote> As a low level adventurer I don't even have the choice of losing faction to get below the threshold where I would get that last writ to boost me to 30k. </blockquote><p>Perhaps you can, you dont get credit or exp for a kill if you are below the group level but can you get the blame?</p><p>Its an inelegant fix but perhaps if you have an 80 friend that could babysit you through killing a few of the right mobs you could still loose faction ?</p>

[Lenefir]

Same thing happened to me with the Bathezid's Watch.  I stopped being offered tradeskill quests when I was at 29750 faction.  Luckily, like you, it happened on a character that was high enough level to just kill a few fishermen to get me above 30k so I didn't think too much of it at the time.With the introduction of recipes requiring at least 30k faction to get them it would be nice if this could get fixed since there are probably a lot of low level adventurers/high level tradeskillers grinding to get the 30k, and with no (realistic) alternative options for that last bump.

[Andira]

<cite>greenmantle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andira wrote:</cite><blockquote> As a low level adventurer I don't even have the choice of losing faction to get below the threshold where I would get that last writ to boost me to 30k. </blockquote><p>Perhaps you can, you dont get credit or exp for a kill if you are below the group level but can you get the blame?</p><p>Its an inelegant fix but perhaps if you have an 80 friend that could babysit you through killing a few of the right mobs you could still loose faction ?</p></blockquote>I guess I could ask hubby to try that with me. I didn't want to bother him with that, because we finished all of the Fens quests with our mains and I don't want to disturb his 50k faction. I guess we would have to kill iksar, then in order for him to fix his faction he would have to kill sarnak and then either do the repeatable Bathezid quest or kill fishmen.It's wierd that this would happen at all. I hope the factions could be balanced after doing the Greeblentus quest so you hit exactly 30k (or a bit more) with all of them.Anyway, I petitioned. If I don't hear anything until tomorrow I will make hubby try with me to see if the faction hits are group wide even if I wouldn't get quest credit.

[Oh]

<cite>Lenefir wrote:</cite><blockquote>Same thing happened to me with the Bathezid's Watch.  I stopped being offered tradeskill quests when I was at 29750 faction.  Luckily, like you, it happened on a character that was high enough level to just kill a few fishermen to get me above 30k so I didn't think too much of it at the time.With the introduction of recipes requiring at least 30k faction to get them it would be nice if this could get fixed since there are probably a lot of low level adventurers/high level tradeskillers grinding to get the 30k, and with no (realistic) alternative options for that last bump.</blockquote>I had the same problem on this char with bathezid's watch, what i did and what lowlevel characters could do is the scout quest. Basically you hail a scout, need to do that 15 times thou. It doesn't require killing but a low level adventure might die a few times doing it. Fortunatly i only needed to do that quest once to get the bump to 30k.

[denmom]

Taking the faction hit off Riliss can be fixed for your husband, tho.  Riliss does have repeatable faction quests worth 500.  They're located up by Ruins of Cabilis tower.If he takes a faction hit for Bathezid, the repeatable quest for the scouts is located up at Bathezid. Again, 500 faction.I think faction hits are either 50 or 100 per mob in Fens, not really sure...but think it's 50.  I know for Danak it's 100 if you kill a Danak mob.

[Mystfit]

Odd, I leveled 2 lowbie adventureres over the weekend and had no troubles getting to 30K. Makes it hard, I imagine, to track a bug that isn't constant...

[Verky]

I already had Riliss Faction and Danak faction with my main character, 80 Templar/80 Sage. I had 24kish with Bathezid, I figured will take me a few writs to get the 30k and hit 29,850 and the guy won't give me more tasks. This is very annoying and if this happens with the few crafters I have that are low level I will be highly annoyed. I feel that there shouldn't be ANY reason why they stop giving you tasks. Some people prefer to tradeskill faction and in some cases that is the only way they CAN get the faction. Sorry I am really annoyed. I really hope this is a bug of some sort cause if it isn't I am highly disappointed.

[Oh]

<cite>Haly@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote>I already had Riliss Faction and Danak faction with my main character, 80 Templar/80 Sage. I had 24kish with Bathezid, I figured will take me a few writs to get the 30k and hit 29,850 and the guy won't give me more tasks. This is very annoying and if this happens with the few crafters I have that are low level I will be highly annoyed. I feel that there shouldn't be ANY reason why they stop giving you tasks. Some people prefer to tradeskill faction and in some cases that is the only way they CAN get the faction. Sorry I am really annoyed. I really hope this is a bug of some sort cause if it isn't I am highly disappointed.</blockquote><p>You are not the only one that is anoyed with this. My personally belief is that a pure crafter should be able to gain 50k faction with a group just crafting. Now i do have other opions too but i will refrain from commenting them here.</p><p>Also the same thing happened with me with this faction.</p>

[Andira]

I finally figured out what my problem was! I had done some faction writs with Riliss back before the reward was changed to 750 faction per writ and therefore ended up with a number that wouldn't allow me to get all the way to 30k.After going back and forth with CS for a day and getting "helpful" tips like go kill NPCs or do adventure quests in the Fens with my lvl 25 adventurer, the fifth GM on my case finally lowered my faction (by 1 point, btw!!! I almost cried when I realized how close I had been all the time) so I could get my last writ. Case resolved.Just wanted to let everybody know who might run into the same problem with a low level adventurer, who has only done the Taskmaster quests and faction writs. Demand that they lower your faction right from the start!

[Domino]

<cite>Andira wrote:</cite><blockquote>I finally figured out what my problem was! I had done some faction writs with Riliss back before the reward was changed to 750 faction per writ and therefore ended up with a number that wouldn't allow me to get all the way to 30k.After going back and forth with CS for a day and getting "helpful" tips like go kill NPCs or do adventure quests in the Fens with my lvl 25 adventurer, the fifth GM on my case finally lowered my faction (by 1 point, btw!!! I almost cried when I realized how close I had been all the time) so I could get my last writ. Case resolved.Just wanted to let everybody know who might run into the same problem with a low level adventurer, who has only done the Taskmaster quests and faction writs. Demand that they lower your faction right from the start!</blockquote>A fix to this is being hotfixed in early next week; in the mean time, if this happens to you submit a /petition.  I let CS know about the issue and they should be more prepared to handle it between now and the hotfix.This will only happen if you manage to get stuck with over 27,450 faction but below 30,000 (any of the three camps). 

[freel]

Domino,Could you please explain why crafters are limited in the amount of faction they can get using writs? Why not allow us to max out if we want to continue the grind? Just curious.

[TaleraRis]

Because the rewards after 30k are limited to adventuring and a crafter would be able to craft their way to adventuring rewards. Nevermind the fact that adventuring crafters can adventure their way to faction and avoid having to put in any crafting work for crafting rewards, though. Imo, they should be separate factions. If you want crafting rewards, you put in time crafting. If you want adventuring rewards, you put in time adventuring. The current imbalance is far from fair.

[ke'la]

<cite>Andira wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>greenmantle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andira wrote:</cite><blockquote> As a low level adventurer I don't even have the choice of losing faction to get below the threshold where I would get that last writ to boost me to 30k. </blockquote><p>Perhaps you can, you dont get credit or exp for a kill if you are below the group level but can you get the blame?</p><p>Its an inelegant fix but perhaps if you have an 80 friend that could babysit you through killing a few of the right mobs you could still loose faction ?</p></blockquote>I guess I could ask hubby to try that with me. I didn't want to bother him with that, because we finished all of the Fens quests with our mains and I don't want to disturb his 50k faction. I guess we would have to kill iksar, then in order for him to fix his faction he would have to kill sarnak and then either do the repeatable Bathezid quest or kill fishmen.It's wierd that this would happen at all. I hope the factions could be balanced after doing the Greeblentus quest so you hit exactly 30k (or a bit more) with all of them.Anyway, I petitioned. If I don't hear anything until tomorrow I will make hubby try with me to see if the faction hits are group wide even if I wouldn't get quest credit.</blockquote>I know this is alittle off topic but there are a group of Sarnak that give Riss Faction but don't effect Watch Faction, they are the Sanrshank right below Riss among where the Black Prowlers are.

[Illmarr]

<cite>Gwyneth@Najena wrote:</cite><blockquote>Because the rewards after 30k are limited to adventuring and a crafter would be able to craft their way to adventuring rewards. Nevermind the fact that adventuring crafters can adventure their way to faction and avoid having to put in any crafting work for crafting rewards, though. Imo, they should be separate factions. If you want crafting rewards, you put in time crafting. If you want adventuring rewards, you put in time adventuring. The current imbalance is far from fair.</blockquote>Characters that play all aspects of the game should have it easier than those that do not. I've seen the long thread elsewhere and have not been swayed by it even though I have several crafters nowhere near the level to adventure to raise their faction. Hopefully these 2 will be the only posts that derail the topic