Monk Tanking and reasonable suggestions

[Wildfury77]

<p>Fundamentally we are an avoidance <b><u>tank</u></b>! or meant to be.........</p><p>We also are considered a hybrid class with what was meant to be above average fighter DPS.</p><p>A few suggestions:</p><p>1) Boost our uncontested avoidance so that it sits above that of a warrior+shield </p><p>2) Boost our DPS to just ahead of Warriors.....</p><p>That would be a big start and <b><u>SURELY not to much to ask!!</u></b> </p>

[Tuda]

<p>I`m still learning/growing, so please forgive me if I say something that is obvious to many monks here.</p><p>Is our highend avoidance not up to snuff for tanking epic mobs or is the preception of the raid/leaders is that only tanks wearing plate can mitigate, there fore can be the only true tanks?</p><p>I`m just curious if the general "perception" is the problem, more so then our inability as monks with the proper gear and knowhow to actually tank.</p><p>Do we require more healing then a tank? </p><p>Do we lose the mobs attention (taunting or lack of)?</p>

[Edavi]

<cite>Tudana wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I`m still learning/growing, so please forgive me if I say something that is obvious to many monks here.</p><p>Is our highend avoidance not up to snuff for tanking epic mobs or is the preception of the raid/leaders is that only tanks wearing plate can mitigate, there fore can be the only true tanks?</p><p><span style="color: #990000;">I can and HAVE tanked epic mobs, im on a PVP server and with half the classes we have to use every strat in the book.  BUT generally i only do it becuz I have peel and can keep agro through all the mem blurs these RoK mobs have, however peel is getting pwned soon.  Theres no reason to have me tank when there is a guardian with better avoidance and mitigation and better means to keep agro.  We also have a Zerker and 1-2 pallies who raid with us regularly, so there is really no reason for me to do anything but DPS and pull.</span></p><p>I`m just curious if the general "perception" is the problem, more so then our inability as monks with the proper gear and knowhow to actually tank.</p><p><span style="color: #990000;">As far as gear goes I dont know if anyone else has noticed, but it seems that 90% of the leather that drops in RoK is for healers</span></p><p>Do we require more healing then a tank?</p><p><span style="color: #990000;">Yes and no... our strength is suposed to be our avoidance, however most plate tanks have high avoidance than us anyway.  Plus they get much higher mitigation with plate armor.  So id say we probably do require more healing. And its alot harder to keep up with becuz in THEORY we get hit less often, but when we do get hit, it hurts alot more.  Our tanking is based on a dice roll TBH...</span> </p><p>Do we lose the mobs attention (taunting or lack of)?</p><p><span style="color: #990000;">We can keep agro on 1 mob like it aint nobody's business... however we only have 1 group taunt, and IDK about the rest of you, but mine is not terribly effective.  I struggle keeping agro on groups of mobs. We can AA spec for a hate transfer.. but it is merely... okay</span></p></blockquote>Im sure differnt monks have differnt experiences with their raids and such, again we only have half the classes so its kinda tough to compare with the blue servers, but im sure the jist of it can be related to.In PVP i love my monk, i can tank in PVP... not as well as a plate tank of course (tanking in PVP is more a matter of keeping everyone taunted rather than surviving)  But when im not MT of the PVP group its GREAT to have me as an off tank to pull people off the healers and casters, im also very sulf sufficient since i can heal myself a pretty big chunk and cure and tsunami and all that, so the healers can focus on the other people getting the snot kicked out of them

[Ocello]

Reasonably? It isn't going to happen, and I'm about to get flamed, but the best singular way to fix the imbalance between the tanks is to:<b>Make shields add Mitigation instead of Avoidance and adjust both our curves accordingly. </b>I think in a perfect world, Plate tanks would mitigate 60-70% of damage and avoid 30-40% and Brawlers would mitigate 30-40% and avoid 60-70%.  Both uncontested, except when fighting higher level mobs (Which would take both avoidance and mit down 2% per level above you).  Plates would still be better IMO, but we'd both be viable depending on healer setup (as we would need lots of heals).

[Solu]

The problem with avoidance tanking is streaks.  A mitigation tank always eats only so much damage, an avoidance tank can die in a few unlucky hits.  As a healer which would you rather keep standing?  Even if we had 80%+ avoidance a bad streak would wipe the raid.

[ShinGoku]

From my perspective, although tanking is relative based on the class you play, other tank classesdo get more easy advantages to allow them to tank better and keep aggro.Zerkers get an AA that removes negative effects from their various stances i.e. They can go full offense without suffering the loss of avoidance etc etc.  The ability to do this would be great IMO as when in mid stance or defense, I have a hell of a time keeping aggro with mobs, my taunts are AD3 and M2 respectively so I know they are not the problem, the problem is that I just don't seem to hit hard enough for mobs to stick to me!I think the problem is our damage TBH, if we go full offense we do fine but get whacked in a matter of secs with some mobs, with others in full defense we take less damage but can't keep aggro too well...What is the solution?

[Tuda]

<cite>Solude wrote:</cite><blockquote>The problem with avoidance tanking is streaks.  A mitigation tank always eats only so much damage, an avoidance tank can die in a few unlucky hits.  As a healer which would you rather keep standing?  Even if we had 80%+ avoidance a bad streak would wipe the raid.</blockquote><p>You are saying this in a hypothetical way. </p><p>Is it possible to pull from actual experience for the facts that these "streaks" wipe raids? Cause healers to "prefer" plate tanks?</p><p>Or are our own perceptions convinced this "could" happen, by the nature of the ability and the mathimatical possiblities, not that it is happening.</p><p>...just a curious inquiry...</p><p>anyone out there that is having this happen to them as Solude is refering to in raids situations? </p><p>Have you died to a bad streak and wiped a raid? </p><p>have you had a healer ask for a plate class to tank instead of you, due to healing issues?</p>

[Solu]

I have never been the tank in a group if a plate tank is available.  I have been 2 shotted by named mobs more times than I care to admit when I am MT.  I play my bruiser as a dps toon for these reasons.

[Wildmage]

Shamans to me seem like they were designed from the get go to complement Brawler Tanks more than any other tank, with druids and clerics meant more for the plate tanks, I'd say clerics for warriors and druids regens for the crusaders as crusaders have their own methods of healing themselves that would complement regens, while the mostly direct healing of the clerics is best for the warriors.

[Couching]

In heroic encounters, shaman wards work better for brawler.In raids, shaman wards work better for plate tanks since plate tanks, tanking epic,  have more avoidance than brawler.

[Gasheron]

<p>Nvm, reread info, and my idea was wrong. Didn't understand the mechanic.</p>