MC is Mythical

[Biaxil]

It might as well be called that, cuz its better than any fabled gear ive seen thru T6.  I heard people in chat channels saying that MCed is the way it is because of crafters crying that no one will want their stuff.  Last I checked, MC is only one step over treasured.  MCed vs treasured is no where close.  Even doing dungeons, the stuff that drops in there is garbage.  It kind of takes some of the fun in going into dungeons to get cool loot, when what you are wearing is better than anything you can loot.  Just becomes vendor trash and dungeons become nothing more than gaining some AA from killing named.

[RogueSpideyChick]

have u been deep in the basement of seb? reet questline? chardok questline?  lots of nice stuff down there. the gear from instances & quests is better than raid fabled. mc's okay, maybe a piece or 2, but i definitely wouldnt wear it over some of the pieces out of heroic zones.

[Killerbee3000]

<cite>Arica@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>have u been deep in the basement of seb? reet questline? chardok questline?  lots of nice stuff down there. the gear from instances & quests is better than raid fabled. mc's okay, maybe a piece or 2, but i definitely wouldnt wear it over some of the pieces out of heroic zones.</blockquote>he's talking about T6, not T8. the problem is that mc gear got ugraded, but the other stuff remained the same.

[Sayne]

<p>Mastercrafted items should exceed treasured, not be equivalent to them.  In fact, the handcrafted stuff should be much closer to treasured than mastercrafted - which should be on par with legendary items, or at least close.  I haven't been through t6 lately so I don't know specifics, but any mastercrafted armor, weapons, and jewelry should be quite an upgrade to treasured of the same level.</p>

[Sapphirius]

<p>First, keep in mind that the only mastercrafted that got upgraded was <i>armor</i>. Weapons are still suffering and will continue to suffer as long as Domino continues to focus so completely on new carpentry recipes and provisioning. Yes, froglok mannequins are real cute, but when are the <i>other</i> classes going to get some <i>serious</i> loving and not just lip service? Don't tell me the MC upgrades was their loving because Domino doesn't do itemization. That's another dev. (Sorry, that's just frustration at being constantly told my tradeskill classes will become worthwhile and waiting through update after update packed with new furniture and cooking recipes for this to like actually happen. It's not that I think Domino is bad. She's far better than Beghn <shudders at the name> ever could have been, but she seems to have the blinders strapped on pretty tightly.)</p><p>The second thing to keep in mind is that gear gets better with each expansion. This is because combat changes a little with each x-pack. The gear has to get better to make the combat more doable. If you want the perfect example of this, then go do the newbie quests in Timorous Deep. My 40 warlock was replacing her MC gear with that stuff.</p><p>Currently, the mastercrafted <i>is</i> better than old world fabled until you reach T6. This isn't because it's overpowered. It's because the old world gear is underpowered. There's a difference between those two statements. The devs have yet to reitemize the old world zones. Instead of complaining about the MC and pushing for a nerf, try pushing for some old world reitemization. That would be far more productive.</p>

[Terron]

<cite>Biaxil@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>It might as well be called that, cuz its better than any fabled gear ive seen thru T6.  I heard people in chat channels saying that MCed is the way it is because of crafters crying that no one will want their stuff.  Last I checked, MC is only one step over treasured.  MCed vs treasured is no where close.  Even doing dungeons, the stuff that drops in there is garbage.  It kind of takes some of the fun in going into dungeons to get cool loot, when what you are wearing is better than anything you can loot.  Just becomes vendor trash and dungeons become nothing more than gaining some AA from killing named.</blockquote>Armoursmiths were crying because MC armour was worse than the treasured that came with RoKThey were quite right to do so.There is no fun in crafting when all you can make is vendor fodder, worse than easily obtainable treasured items.As you say MC should be better than treasured (close to legendary).So MC was upgraded, but old legendary armour was not so now that is out of balance.The problem isn't the new MC, it is the old legendary (and to a lesser extent fabled).When you see legendary items worse than MC of the same or lower level then enter a bug.And when you see treasured items better than MC of the same or higher level also enter a bug.

[Guy De Alsace]

<p>So much hyperbole the OP should write for some of the UK tabloids. MC is alright but I wouldnt say its great. In Tier 6, the treasured was terrible anyway on release. Now its even worse. My main is a Jeweller and nobody wants her gear since you can pick up nice items for very easy quests in RoK right from stepping off the boat. Why would anyone want to pay x amount of gold for a jewellery piece when its so easy to gain nice pieces?</p><p>The level 70 handcrafted jewellery isnt bad for people who cant or wont get RoK but the rest of it - really there's not much point them being there to be honest. Crafted gear needs some sort of gimmick for it to be worth buying IMO. </p>

[Illmarr]

<cite>Killerbee3000 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Arica@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>have u been deep in the basement of seb? reet questline? chardok questline?  lots of nice stuff down there. the gear from instances & quests is better than raid fabled. mc's okay, maybe a piece or 2, but i definitely wouldnt wear it over some of the pieces out of heroic zones.</blockquote>he's talking about T6, not T8. the problem is that mc gear got ugraded, but the other stuff remained the same. </blockquote><p>The problem is that no one sticks around T6 long enough to raid and get upgrades since it's no longer endgame but a stepping stone. MC armor will generally be all anyone bothers with until they reach the cap as the cap rises. Some revamping of the old world loot would not hurt either.</p>

[ke'la]

<cite>Sapphirius wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>First, keep in mind that the only mastercrafted that got upgraded was <i>armor</i>. Weapons are still suffering and will continue to suffer as long as Domino continues to focus so completely on new carpentry recipes and provisioning. Yes, froglok mannequins are real cute, but when are the <i>other</i> classes going to get some <i>serious</i> loving and not just lip service? <span style="color: #0000ff;">Don't tell me the MC upgrades was their loving because Domino doesn't do itemization. That's another dev. </span>(Sorry, that's just frustration at being constantly told my tradeskill classes will become worthwhile and waiting through update after update packed with new furniture and cooking recipes for this to like actually happen. It's not that I think Domino is bad. She's far better than Beghn <shudders at the name> ever could have been, but she seems to have the blinders strapped on pretty tightly.)</p><p>The second thing to keep in mind is that gear gets better with each expansion. This is because combat changes a little with each x-pack. The gear has to get better to make the combat more doable. If you want the perfect example of this, then go do the newbie quests in Timorous Deep. My 40 warlock was replacing her MC gear with that stuff.</p><p>Currently, the mastercrafted <i>is</i> better than old world fabled until you reach T6. This isn't because it's overpowered. It's because the old world gear is underpowered. There's a difference between those two statements. The devs have yet to reitemize the old world zones. Instead of complaining about the MC and pushing for a nerf, try pushing for some old world reitemization. That would be far more productive.</p></blockquote><p>You answered your own question here Domino can't upgrade stats on iteams without dev help. Yes, she pushed for the upgrades and it just so happened at the times the devs that can upgrade iteams had the time to upgrade Armor. Now she has to find iteamisation Dev with the time to upgrade Weopons. </p><p>The reason you see Carpenter and Food stuff is because that is Cut and Paste work for the most part and she does not need help with that. Also cut her some slack she has been fairly busy reasonly with little things like TS Epics, and the TS iteams comming in with this next GU.</p>

[Lhrlnd]

You want good t6 gear. Join a guild and raid t6 instances. Lotsa nice gear in there + some awesome AA. I admit though T5 gear pisses all over T6.

[Sapphirius]

Ke'la, that doesn't excuse the constant neglect of weaponsmiths in update after update... and in the latest update? New furniture! Again! What are weaponsmiths getting? More temporary adornments that won't sell. It's been a year that the WS tradeskill class was promised serious loving and a good looking at. That promise has yet to be delivered.

[Kenban]

<cite>Sapphirius wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>First, keep in mind that the only mastercrafted that got upgraded was <i>armor</i>. Weapons are still suffering and will continue to suffer as long as Domino continues to focus so completely on new carpentry recipes and provisioning. Yes, froglok mannequins are real cute, but when are the <i>other</i> classes going to get some <i>serious</i> loving and not just lip service? Don't tell me the MC upgrades was their loving because Domino doesn't do itemization. That's another dev. (Sorry, that's just frustration at being constantly told my tradeskill classes will become worthwhile and waiting through update after update packed with new furniture and cooking recipes for this to like actually happen. It's not that I think Domino is bad. She's far better than Beghn <shudders at the name> ever could have been, but she seems to have the blinders strapped on pretty tightly.)</p></blockquote>Mannequins are available to any tradeskill class with the correct faction and level.  They are not carpenter recipes.  The new provisioner recipes were put in so that there would be a reward for provisioner's who did the new tradeskill quest.  Provisioners are the ONLY TS class who don't get advanced books so there needed to be new recipes created.  There are MANY issues with itemization and your right the weapons do need to be upgraded.  But Domino has no control over that and I suspect the devs who can fix it are still trying to take care of the problems with itemization in RoK.  Off the top of my head there are issues with the epics, VP gear, set gear, and I have heard some quest rewards are getting looked at again. 

[Sapphirius]

<points to the <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=409304" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Right Hand/Left Hand </a>thread> Yep, lots of stuff needs reitemization, and I did acknowledge in my post that Domino doesn't do that area. However, she <i>does</i> do new recipes, and she can push for changes as well. When I see lanterns, draperies, new torches, chaise lounges, pine trees, etc. being added (It's not just the manequinns.) while classes in need of help go on neglected, yes, I get very frustrated. It's not jsut WS that needs the attention either. Other tradeskill classes are suffering as well.

[Banditman]

T6 was also a very "short" tier in terms of time spent there.  Remember, Desert of Flames released September 13 of 2005 and we had Kingdom of Sky on February 21 of 2006.  We just weren't there very long.When we did hit KoS, within a very short period of time, all the raiding guilds who had smashed DoF were upgrading to Heroic drops from Kingdom of Sky instances / dungeons.

[Sayne]

<cite>Sapphirius wrote:</cite><blockquote><points to the <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=409304" target="_blank">Right Hand/Left Hand </a>thread> Yep, lots of stuff needs reitemization, and I did acknowledge in my post that Domino doesn't do that area. However, she <i>does</i> do new recipes, and she can push for changes as well. When I see lanterns, draperies, new torches, chaise lounges, pine trees, etc. being added (It's not just the manequinns.) while classes in need of help go on neglected, yes, I get very frustrated. It's not jsut WS that needs the attention either. Other tradeskill classes are suffering as well.</blockquote><p>Ok, so let me see if I understand this correctly.</p><p>You recognize that Domino can't do much about itemization for the weaponsmiths except to prod those who <i>do </i>work on it to do something about the issues at hand.  You also know that she can personally make changes as far as adding in new items for classes like provisioners, who have gotten the short end of the crafting stick for a long time - being forced to rely on more raws than any other class, not having any sort of advanced books, for a long time not even having the chance at getting a rare from the nodes they harvest (which now is fixed for shrubs, at least.  They got a little bit of a bone there), and carpenters, who went a long time in t6 without recipes period.</p><p>If Domino can do nothing put push the itemization people to fix it, but she can also work on other projects at the same time, is it not logical for her to do so?  Would it make you feel better if she simply sat on her hands and did nothing until the other people got the chance to work on items for weaponsmiths?  I know it wouldn't make me or many other crafters very happy - even weaponsmiths.</p><p>I recognize and understand your plight.  Each crafting class has had to go through its own challenges throughout the development of this game, but blaming devs who can't even do much about it won't fix anything.  I know you're frustrated, I know you're upset, but saying that they're working on furniture and procisioner recipes <i>instead </i>of working on weaponsmithing issues isn't exactly correct.  Domino has put in ehr state of the tradeskills thread that she is currently working on getting some revamps done to weaponsmithing, and it's probably the best she can do right now.  In the meantime she's working to add in items to other classes and help make changes and fix bugs and do what she can.  She didn't even make the items for the RoK factions, which means she didn't make the decision to not give weaponsmiths weapons, and instead give them adornments.  Let's not blame Domino - she has done everything she can to help crafters and make the crafting community just a little better, and if we start blaming her for issues she can't do very much on she may just wind up as cynnical and uncommunicative as 99% of the devs.  Let's not do that to such a sweet, hard-working person.</p>

[Belaythien]

T6 has always been a weird special case. For some reason T6 loot (with the exception of raid drops) has been weak even before RoK or EoF. I levelled 4.5 <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> chars through T6. Every time I was puzzled by how bad drops and quests reward were. Every time I would be wearing T5 items until the very late 60s (where lower KoS stuff finally kicked in).If you'd draw a graph with gear quality through the tiers, you'd see a huge dent between T5 and T7 <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />.

[Finora]

<p>Yeah T6 is an awful teir to use in any comparison of gear. </p><p>Even when DoF first came out I only upgraded a couple of pieces of my old (mostly treasured gear & HQ items) with items from DoF. It was that bad. I did eventually pick up a couple of master crafted items (the awesome pearl orb at the time and a piece or 2 of cobalt that had + wis on it). Most everything else was pretty lack luster. My guild didn't really do much raiding at the time so that wasn't an option. The t5 stuff (and after some dungeons got upgrades even some t4 stuff) was better than the t6 DoF crap.</p>