Fuel costs different in Kunark.

[Mantell]

<p>I recently discovered that fuel costs more if you're "abroad" in Kunark than it does back in the home cities. I haven't checked all the T7 zones with crafting stations and I haven't checked the newer home cities to see if they're the same but I assume they are. </p><p>The difference is significant and it seems to vary based on where you buy it. It's higher in Teren's Grasp, Riliss, Jinisk, Bathezid's Watch and Danak shipyards by varying amounts. In Teren's Grasp for example T8 fuel costs about 50% more, which is fairly steep considering most tradeskills have a very thin profit margin.</p><p>An unintentional side effect is that if you purchase some of the more expensive fuel it will mix with the less expensive fuel. This wouldn't matter except that fuel has always been a liquid asset in that you could sell back fuel for the same cost you bought it. This is no longer the case if you handle your fuel poorly. </p><p>If I show up in Teren's Grasp with no smoldering candles and I buy 200 for 1g 49s each I can sell those right back for 1g 49s each.</p><p>But if I have one smoldering candle purchased in Qeynos for 1g and I buy 199 from Teren's Grasp now that entire stack sells back for 1g. A difference of around 49 gold. </p><p>Of course it couldn't work the other way without creating an exploit, but I doubt a lot of crafters are paying attention to this difference. Those who come out to Kunark to work on their artisan epic should plan ahead and bring their fuel with them from home.</p>

[Mystfit]

<p>Terrens' for sure has higher fuel costs, but I' m standing in BW I can say that the rates are normal here. T8 is one gold except procy's fuel which is 50s. You can't buy it until you hit a certain faction.</p><p>It's mentioned in the crafting quest even that Terren's is more expensive. He even says...what I pay you for the quest won't cover your fuels if you buy from here. </p>

[einar4]

<p> Yes, you basically end up losing money on the writs if you buy your fuel from the local fuel merchant rather than bringing your own, since they reimburse based on 1gp per fuel as cost.  I have seen it in Danak and Riliss.   I've been curious about whether it was intentional to make tradeskillers have to pay for faction in that way. </p><p> This may be faction related, but I know that in Danak I had 20k+ when I checked the fuel merchant. </p>

[ke'la]

<p>Accually it's been a game mechanic sence Day one. With the exception of "Gratified Merchants*" merchants in the "wild" cost more then merchants in the cities, and pay less for goods you sell them. This is because it's harder to get stuff out in the wild so they can charge you more for it, and as it's also more conveniant to sell to a merchant in the wild they can pay less for your stuff. It's kinda like buying gas at a gas station thats 300+mi from the next closested one, they can pritty much charge whatever they want and you would end up paying it.</p><p>*These are the ones you resque from dynamic spawn camps, mainly in the old world, but thier is atleast 2 of these camps in DoF as well. These merchants are the least "greedy" of all merchants, they give you the most coin for your iteams and sell you stuff the cheapest</p>

[Eyema]

All RoK merchants, including Fuel merchants are tied to faction. The higher your faction, the lower the cost. Fuel is only more expensive in ROK till you max your faction out. I believe ally, 40k, will equalize fuel cost to 1g. It may be 30k, since at that time, they dont offer you new crafting writs. If its not 30k, then i suggest someone plead Domino for the change, but since my crafters always have HUGE amounts of fuels on them, i have never needed to buy from RoK on my lowbies. And my main has max ally faction with almost every faction there is, except of course Satharian.

[Meirril]

<cite>Harper@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>All RoK merchants, including Fuel merchants are tied to faction. The higher your faction, the lower the cost. Fuel is only more expensive in ROK till you max your faction out. I believe ally, 40k, will equalize fuel cost to 1g. It may be 30k, since at that time, they dont offer you new crafting writs. If its not 30k, then i suggest someone plead Domino for the change, but since my crafters always have HUGE amounts of fuels on them, i have never needed to buy from RoK on my lowbies. And my main has max ally faction with almost every faction there is, except of course Satharian.</blockquote><p>I haven't noticed that high faction had any effect on prices offered on vendors. Merchants in Teren's Grasp still charge me the same 150% at 50k faction as they did at 10k faction. It has more to do with what kind of merchants they are as opposed to how much faction you have. </p><p>It would of been much better if it did depend on faction though.</p><p>FYI: there is an excellect counter example. The woodworking merchant in Darnak (in Jasarath Wastes) next to the ship being made has "best price" merchant settings. Items he sells and buy give the same values that we expect in our home towns from wholesaler merchants, city merchants, and the re-done single craft/fuel merchants. You can still find some of the "greedy" merchants in most towns. They are all over the place in overland zones. </p>

[Mantell]

<p>I've seen the greedy merchants before and that's fine, but it's the ones that sell fuel that I have an issue with. I'm not sure people notice this by and large. </p><p>The issue with fuel is that crafting used to only be done in certain designated places and they moved it out to the world to be more convenient. That's understandable, but then they changed the fuel prices at certain places in the world to be inconvenient. </p><p>There's an easy work-around if you have access to a bank you can have an alt buy fuel in Qeynos or Freeport and drop it into the shared bank. And of course you could mail yourself fuel for just such emergencies. But this minor rigmarole could be avoided if they just sold fuel at the same price worldwide.</p>

[SilkenKidden]

<cite>Mantell wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I recently discovered that fuel costs more if you're "abroad" in Kunark than it does back in the home cities. I haven't checked all the T7 zones with crafting stations and I haven't checked the newer home cities to see if they're the same but I assume they are. </p><p>The difference is significant and it seems to vary based on where you buy it. It's higher in Teren's Grasp, Riliss, Jinisk, Bathezid's Watch and Danak shipyards by varying amounts. In Teren's Grasp for example T8 fuel costs about 50% more, which is fairly steep considering most tradeskills have a very thin profit margin.</p><p>An unintentional side effect is that if you purchase some of the more expensive fuel it will mix with the less expensive fuel. This wouldn't matter except that fuel has always been a liquid asset in that you could sell back fuel for the same cost you bought it. This is no longer the case if you handle your fuel poorly. </p><p>If I show up in Teren's Grasp with no smoldering candles and I buy 200 for 1g 49s each I can sell those right back for 1g 49s each.</p><p>But if I have one smoldering candle purchased in Qeynos for 1g and I buy 199 from Teren's Grasp now that entire stack sells back for 1g. A difference of around 49 gold. </p><p>Of course it couldn't work the other way without creating an exploit, but I doubt a lot of crafters are paying attention to this difference. Those who come out to Kunark to work on their artisan epic should plan ahead and bring their fuel with them from home.</p></blockquote>This is true, but it needn't be a total surpise.  Various NPCs or quest dialogs in Dreg's Landing and Teren's Grasp warn you that you have to go further out into Fens or Jarsath to get lower prices.    I think getting repaired costs more on the dock and in Teren's too.

[Mystfit]

It's not very constant when you can GET fuels, but so far, except for TG, all have been the standard price. BW let me buy fuels at 10K, Rillis let me buy it at 0.

[TaleraRis]

<cite>Harper@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I believe ally, 40k, will equalize fuel cost to 1g. It may be 30k, since at that time, they dont offer you new crafting writs. </blockquote>It's not that high, unless something changed. I was buying fuel for writs in both Riliss and Danak at less than 10k faction at 1g. I can't recall quite when it started, but I only went high enough to get my books on that char, so I know it wasn't any higher than that.

[Mariss]

<cite>Harper@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>All RoK merchants, including Fuel merchants are tied to faction. The higher your faction, the lower the cost. Fuel is only more expensive in ROK till you max your faction out. I believe ally, 40k, will equalize fuel cost to 1g. </blockquote>Not in Teren's Grasp... As you can see here, there is just over a 45% markup on the price with 50k faction.<img src="www.scribbleware.net/images/EQ2/TGFuel.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><img src="http://www.scribbleware.net/images/EQ2/TGFuel.jpg" border="0" alt="" />

[Lodrelhai]

Teren's Grasp also does not cater to crafters in any way - Domino has said so, and I think even the guy who gives you the "New Lands, New Profits" quest mentions they don't really need crafters' services there.  Hence no way to gain faction there by crafting.BW, Rillis, and Danak all need us.  They're willing to let crafters in based on the good word of a human in a different area, they need us so badly.  They offer us work for a bit of coin because they need the supplies we can make.  And yeah, they do warn at first that they can't cover the fuel cost if you buy directly from there.  But it is definitely a supply/demand issue with the factions - if the faction has a demand that we can supply, they'll be willing to drop the price for us after we've done some work for them.  If the faction could care less about what we provide, why should they charge us less for what they can provide to us?

[Rijacki]

The higher cost for fuel is intentional and has been there since day one and has been explained -several- times since RoK went live.There is a higher price for the convenience of buying fuel out in the location.  It's incentive to return home from time to time.

[Rqron]

This is nothing new,All cost in this game are always higher once you leave your home town...for EVERYTHING from food, to common items to fuel cost to mender cost. Lucky. most of those areas have also bank access so you can buy fuel at home and put them into the bank... But, has anybody look into selling fuel to those vendors? Do you get the price you paid for in town or the price they charge you? If you get the price they charge you you could possible offset your long term cost by selling fuel you bought at home to them during non grafting times. So if you go out adventuring, just buy a few stacks of fuel and then swing by to sell it :=)).J.C.

[Rijacki]

<cite>Rqron wrote:</cite><blockquote>This is nothing new,All cost in this game are always higher once you leave your home town...for EVERYTHING from food, to common items to fuel cost to mender cost. Lucky. most of those areas have also bank access so you can buy fuel at home and put them into the bank... But, has anybody look into selling fuel to those vendors? Do you get the price you paid for in town or the price they charge you? If you get the price they charge you you could possible offset your long term cost by selling fuel you bought at home to them during non grafting times. So if you go out adventuring, just buy a few stacks of fuel and then swing by to sell it :=)).J.C.</blockquote>If you sell it, you get the lower price no matter to whom you sell it.  If you do city writs with it, you'll get the lower fuel costs returned, not the higher.