Kyr'Tok confuses me...

[Gukkor2]

<p>In the EQ2RPG, Kyr'Tok the Mangled is listed as one of three primary gods the lizardmen worship (the other two being Alliz Onu and, of course, Cazic-Thule).  Now, we encounter him in Shard of Fear and he's...a giant gorilla.  Now, I realize that a good deal of lore in the RPG sourcebooks doesn't necessarily apply to the games, but given that Kyr'Tok is mentioned/present in both, I'm sure there must be some degree of validity to the claim of him having godhood (or at least having had it).  Then again, maybe the lizardmen just worship a giant planar monkey because they're too stupid to know any better.</p><p>So, any tidbits on Kyr'Tok that I've missed?</p>

[KniteShayd]

Just because he is worshiped, doesn't make him a god of influence.  If he is a demi-god, he could still have followers. But I don't have the answers to say yes or no and if is or isn't a valid deity.

[Cusashorn]

Just remember that the game itself takes precedence over the Pen and Paper book. In this case, if Kyr'Tok is just a monkey and not a influential being, then he's just a monkey and not an influential being.

[zerfall]

<i><span class="postbody">Then again, maybe the lizardmen just worship a giant planar monkey because they're too stupid to know any better.</span></i><span class="postbody">Given that the lizardmen are a very primitive tribal race, I would hedge my bets that this is the case.  Chances are they had contact at one point with Kyr'Tok, saw him as a powerful being from the Plane of Fear (their primary gods home plane), and worshipped him in hopes of getting in his good graces.Think of the island tribe that worshipped King Kong for instance.</span>

[Vhalen]

<p>The Alliz Tae Ew's primary deity is Cazic-Thule, but there are other demigods that hail from Modinthule, the Plane of Fear, that played a vital part in the establishment of their temple on Norrath and demand reverence from all Thulians. The courtyard of the Temple of Cazic-Thule contains two lesser pyramids of Alliz Onu and Kyr'Tok. Each one of these demigods performed a great service to Cazic-Thule when the foundation of fear was being injected into Norrath. In other worlds, Cazic-Thule called upon other heroes of Modinthule to assist in the creation of other embassies of fear.  </p><p>Alliz Onu is the Queen of Reptiles. She inhabits the swamplands of the Plane of Fear. By the will of Cazic-Thule, ruler of the Plane of Fear, she helped create the Lizard Man race as well as numerous other dangerous reptiles of Norrath. All Alliz Ew, regardless of tribe, pay some homage to her. She has no eyes within her eye sockets. In her honor, the Alliz Tae Ew remove their eyes in a painful ritual that takes place in the Undertemple of the Temple of Cazic-Thule. </p><p>In the Plane of Fear, The Mangled, Kyr'Tok, is an enforcer for Cazic-Thule. He also rules over a contorted and warped jungle of that plane. Amidst that vast jungle can be found monuments and towers of twisted and contorted designs. Kyr'Tok's shiverback army was instrumental in the early defense of the Feerrott as the temple was being built. He also went on to help create painful devices that were used to create contorted Thulian minions. Some of the unfortunate creations of those devices can be found floating around locations in the jungle as well as lurking around various dungeons of Norrath. </p><p>For their part in the creation of the Thulian Capital of Norrath, Kyr'Tok and Alliz Onu are paid homage through horrific rituals within the dreaded Temple of Cazic-Thule. </p>

[Ama]

<cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>He also went on to help create painful devices that were used to create contorted Thulian minions. Some of the unfortunate creations of those devices can be found floating around locations in the jungle as well as lurking around various dungeons of Norrath. </p></blockquote>I find that very interesting and wonder if the hellhound was his creation along with those Samihans *sp*.  Almost every scarecrow I come across that is animated speaks the thulian language.

[Gukkor2]

<cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The Alliz Tae Ew's primary deity is Cazic-Thule, but there are other demigods that hail from Modinthule, the Plane of Fear, that played a vital part in the establishment of their temple on Norrath and demand reverence from all Thulians. The courtyard of the Temple of Cazic-Thule contains two lesser pyramids of Alliz Onu and Kyr'Tok. Each one of these demigods performed a great service to Cazic-Thule when the foundation of fear was being injected into Norrath. In other worlds, Cazic-Thule called upon other heroes of Modinthule to assist in the creation of other embassies of fear.  </p><p>Alliz Onu is the Queen of Reptiles. She inhabits the swamplands of the Plane of Fear. By the will of Cazic-Thule, ruler of the Plane of Fear, she helped create the Lizard Man race as well as numerous other dangerous reptiles of Norrath. All Alliz Ew, regardless of tribe, pay some homage to her. She has no eyes within her eye sockets. In her honor, the Alliz Tae Ew remove their eyes in a painful ritual that takes place in the Undertemple of the Temple of Cazic-Thule. </p><p>In the Plane of Fear, The Mangled, Kyr'Tok, is an enforcer for Cazic-Thule. He also rules over a contorted and warped jungle of that plane. Amidst that vast jungle can be found monuments and towers of twisted and contorted designs. Kyr'Tok's shiverback army was instrumental in the early defense of the Feerrott as the temple was being built. He also went on to help create painful devices that were used to create contorted Thulian minions. Some of the unfortunate creations of those devices can be found floating around locations in the jungle as well as lurking around various dungeons of Norrath. </p><p>For their part in the creation of the Thulian Capital of Norrath, Kyr'Tok and Alliz Onu are paid homage through horrific rituals within the dreaded Temple of Cazic-Thule. </p></blockquote>Awesome, thanks much Vhalen.  So Alliz Onu and Kyr'Tok are, in fact, canon demigods, then.  Cool.  I can't help but wonder, though, what exactly Kyr'Tok's the god <i>of.</i>  If Cazic-Thule is the god of fear, and Alliz Onu is the god of reptiles, what would one say Kyr'Tok is the god of?

[Ama]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The Alliz Tae Ew's primary deity is Cazic-Thule, but there are other demigods that hail from Modinthule, the Plane of Fear, that played a vital part in the establishment of their temple on Norrath and demand reverence from all Thulians. The courtyard of the Temple of Cazic-Thule contains two lesser pyramids of Alliz Onu and Kyr'Tok. Each one of these demigods performed a great service to Cazic-Thule when the foundation of fear was being injected into Norrath. In other worlds, Cazic-Thule called upon other heroes of Modinthule to assist in the creation of other embassies of fear.  </p><p>Alliz Onu is the Queen of Reptiles. She inhabits the swamplands of the Plane of Fear. By the will of Cazic-Thule, ruler of the Plane of Fear, she helped create the Lizard Man race as well as numerous other dangerous reptiles of Norrath. All Alliz Ew, regardless of tribe, pay some homage to her. She has no eyes within her eye sockets. In her honor, the Alliz Tae Ew remove their eyes in a painful ritual that takes place in the Undertemple of the Temple of Cazic-Thule. </p><p>In the Plane of Fear, The Mangled, Kyr'Tok, is an enforcer for Cazic-Thule. He also rules over a contorted and warped jungle of that plane. Amidst that vast jungle can be found monuments and towers of twisted and contorted designs. Kyr'Tok's shiverback army was instrumental in the early defense of the Feerrott as the temple was being built. He also went on to help create painful devices that were used to create contorted Thulian minions. Some of the unfortunate creations of those devices can be found floating around locations in the jungle as well as lurking around various dungeons of Norrath. </p><p>For their part in the creation of the Thulian Capital of Norrath, Kyr'Tok and Alliz Onu are paid homage through horrific rituals within the dreaded Temple of Cazic-Thule. </p></blockquote>Awesome, thanks much Vhalen.  So Alliz Onu and Kyr'Tok are, in fact, canon demigods, then.  Cool.  I can't help but wonder, though, what exactly Kyr'Tok's the god <i>of.</i>  If Cazic-Thule is the god of fear, and Alliz Onu is the god of reptiles, what would one say Kyr'Tok is the god of?</blockquote>I would probably say Kyr'Tok is the demi-god of pain, torture, and such since that's his calling.

[troodon]

They don't necessarily have to be gods of anything, just powerful planar entities like Fright, Dread, and Terror.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would probably say Kyr'Tok is the demi-god of pain, torture, and such since that's his calling. </blockquote>That's Saryrn. She's the Demi-God of Torment (which includes all forms of mental and physical pain), appointed by Innoruuk.

[Sphiriah]

<cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote>In her honor, the Alliz Tae Ew remove their eyes in a painful ritual that takes place in the Undertemple of the Temple of Cazic-Thule.</blockquote>No wonder they have such a tiny agro range...

[Ama]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would probably say Kyr'Tok is the demi-god of pain, torture, and such since that's his calling. </blockquote>That's Saryrn. She's the Demi-God of Torment (which includes all forms of mental and physical pain), appointed by Innoruuk.</blockquote>Maybe the demi-god of butchery then?

[Wilin]

<p>The unfortunate creations are probably the terror wraiths. They look twisted and contorted, they float, they are found in the jungle and there a couple hidden away in dungeons.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>You mean the Thought Horrors?</p>

[Gukkor2]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You mean the Thought Horrors?</p></blockquote><p>Nah, the Though Horrors were different.  They had torsos and arms (besides, I'm fairly sure they all died in the Shattering).  The Terror Wraiths are just a floating mass of tentacles with a vaguely skeletal head.  The banner at the top of this page has a terror wraith on the far left, in fact.</p><p>EDIT: Y'know, there was something in the Maps of Myrist about the Tangrin being an Avatar of Hunger or something like that.  He's a giant gorilla, so perhaps Kyr'Tok is the actual god of hunger.</p><p>*shrug* Just a thought.</p>

[DocFlareon]

<cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The Alliz Tae Ew's primary deity is Cazic-Thule, but there are other demigods that hail from Modinthule, the Plane of Fear, that played a vital part in the establishment of their temple on Norrath and demand reverence from all Thulians. The courtyard of the Temple of Cazic-Thule contains two lesser pyramids of Alliz Onu and Kyr'Tok. Each one of these demigods performed a great service to Cazic-Thule when the foundation of fear was being injected into Norrath. In other worlds, Cazic-Thule called upon other heroes of Modinthule to assist in the creation of other embassies of fear.  </p><p>For their part in the creation of the Thulian Capital of Norrath, Kyr'Tok and Alliz Onu are paid homage through horrific rituals within the dreaded Temple of Cazic-Thule. </p></blockquote>And the Temple now is a wreck.  I am surprised that Danak hasn't called upon Thulians everywhere to make a sacred pilgrimage to the Feerrott for the purpose of re-building and dedicating the Temple.  I for one would be quite happy to do my part in bringing the Temple back into service.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Ekaunek@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The Alliz Tae Ew's primary deity is Cazic-Thule, but there are other demigods that hail from Modinthule, the Plane of Fear, that played a vital part in the establishment of their temple on Norrath and demand reverence from all Thulians. The courtyard of the Temple of Cazic-Thule contains two lesser pyramids of Alliz Onu and Kyr'Tok. Each one of these demigods performed a great service to Cazic-Thule when the foundation of fear was being injected into Norrath. In other worlds, Cazic-Thule called upon other heroes of Modinthule to assist in the creation of other embassies of fear.  </p><p>For their part in the creation of the Thulian Capital of Norrath, Kyr'Tok and Alliz Onu are paid homage through horrific rituals within the dreaded Temple of Cazic-Thule. </p></blockquote>And the Temple now is a wreck.  I am surprised that Danak hasn't called upon Thulians everywhere to make a sacred pilgrimage to the Feerrott for the purpose of re-building and dedicating the Temple.  I for one would be quite happy to do my part in bringing the Temple back into service.</blockquote>What makes you think it's not suppose to look decrepid and worn down?

[TaleraRis]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You mean the Thought Horrors?</p></blockquote>Those were the guys from The Deep who looked like jolly green giants crossed with Medusa.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Gwyneth@Najena wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You mean the Thought Horrors?</p></blockquote>Those were the guys from The Deep who looked like jolly green giants crossed with Medusa.</blockquote>And thats what they are now.

[DocFlareon]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ekaunek@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The Alliz Tae Ew's primary deity is Cazic-Thule, but there are other demigods that hail from Modinthule, the Plane of Fear, that played a vital part in the establishment of their temple on Norrath and demand reverence from all Thulians. The courtyard of the Temple of Cazic-Thule contains two lesser pyramids of Alliz Onu and Kyr'Tok. Each one of these demigods performed a great service to Cazic-Thule when the foundation of fear was being injected into Norrath. In other worlds, Cazic-Thule called upon other heroes of Modinthule to assist in the creation of other embassies of fear.  </p><p>For their part in the creation of the Thulian Capital of Norrath, Kyr'Tok and Alliz Onu are paid homage through horrific rituals within the dreaded Temple of Cazic-Thule. </p></blockquote>And the Temple now is a wreck.  I am surprised that Danak hasn't called upon Thulians everywhere to make a sacred pilgrimage to the Feerrott for the purpose of re-building and dedicating the Temple.  I for one would be quite happy to do my part in bringing the Temple back into service.</blockquote>What makes you think it's not suppose to look decrepid and worn down?</blockquote>Crumbling ruins do not inspire Fear and Awe upon all who gaze upon them.  This is especially bad when we are talking about the God of Fear's central temple outside Kunark.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Ekaunek@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ekaunek@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The Alliz Tae Ew's primary deity is Cazic-Thule, but there are other demigods that hail from Modinthule, the Plane of Fear, that played a vital part in the establishment of their temple on Norrath and demand reverence from all Thulians. The courtyard of the Temple of Cazic-Thule contains two lesser pyramids of Alliz Onu and Kyr'Tok. Each one of these demigods performed a great service to Cazic-Thule when the foundation of fear was being injected into Norrath. In other worlds, Cazic-Thule called upon other heroes of Modinthule to assist in the creation of other embassies of fear.  </p><p>For their part in the creation of the Thulian Capital of Norrath, Kyr'Tok and Alliz Onu are paid homage through horrific rituals within the dreaded Temple of Cazic-Thule. </p></blockquote>And the Temple now is a wreck.  I am surprised that Danak hasn't called upon Thulians everywhere to make a sacred pilgrimage to the Feerrott for the purpose of re-building and dedicating the Temple.  I for one would be quite happy to do my part in bringing the Temple back into service.</blockquote>What makes you think it's not suppose to look decrepid and worn down?</blockquote>Crumbling ruins do not inspire Fear and Awe upon all who gaze upon them.  This is especially bad when we are talking about the God of Fear's central temple outside Kunark.</blockquote>You're not suppose to be awe-struck when looking at an evil diety's temple. I see it the other way. a run-down temple only leads anyone who walks into it to let thier guard down and even become paranoid about what they may find. A strong sense of foreboding is the first step to realizing fear.

[DocFlareon]

(Sorry for double post, but this doesn't fit in with my previous post.)How do the Iksar and Sarnak view Alliz Onu?

[Gukkor2]

<cite>Ekaunek@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>(Sorry for double post, but this doesn't fit in with my previous post.)How do the Iksar and Sarnak view Alliz Onu?</blockquote>I would assume the Iksar honor Alliz Onu to some extent, since he said all Thulians venerate her and Kyr'Tok, but since she actually had a hand in CREATING the lizardmen, I doubt the Iksar hold her in nearly as high esteem as they do.

[teddyboy4]

<cite>Ekaunek@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ekaunek@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The Alliz Tae Ew's primary deity is Cazic-Thule, but there are other demigods that hail from Modinthule, the Plane of Fear, that played a vital part in the establishment of their temple on Norrath and demand reverence from all Thulians. The courtyard of the Temple of Cazic-Thule contains two lesser pyramids of Alliz Onu and Kyr'Tok. Each one of these demigods performed a great service to Cazic-Thule when the foundation of fear was being injected into Norrath. In other worlds, Cazic-Thule called upon other heroes of Modinthule to assist in the creation of other embassies of fear.  </p><p>For their part in the creation of the Thulian Capital of Norrath, Kyr'Tok and Alliz Onu are paid homage through horrific rituals within the dreaded Temple of Cazic-Thule. </p></blockquote>And the Temple now is a wreck.  I am surprised that Danak hasn't called upon Thulians everywhere to make a sacred pilgrimage to the Feerrott for the purpose of re-building and dedicating the Temple.  I for one would be quite happy to do my part in bringing the Temple back into service.</blockquote>What makes you think it's not suppose to look decrepid and worn down?</blockquote>Crumbling ruins do not inspire Fear and Awe upon all who gaze upon them.  This is especially bad when we are talking about the God of Fear's central temple outside Kunark.</blockquote>Oh I don't know, I personally would be much more afraid walking into ruins that a pristine, gleaming temple.Besides that though, I don't think the Temple of Cazic Thule is in ruins, it's certainly not a newly built structure but it isn't crumbling ruins either. I'd certainly say that the structure is dilapidated, but the general structure of the place is still intact.

[DocFlareon]

<p>NVM</p>

[AllaK_Bludwyng]

I had wondered once or twice if there was a story behind that basin of eyes in lower C-T. Now I know... those are offerings to Alliz Onu.

[AllaK_Bludwyng]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Awesome, thanks much Vhalen.  So Alliz Onu and Kyr'Tok are, in fact, canon demigods, then.  Cool.  I can't help but wonder, though, what exactly Kyr'Tok's the god <i>of.</i>  If Cazic-Thule is the god of fear, and Alliz Onu is the god of reptiles, what would one say Kyr'Tok is the god of?</blockquote>I think it is pretty clear that Kyr'Tok is the Demi-god of Deformity. Certainly, the sight of gross deformity has always stood close companion to Fear.

[Gukkor2]

<cite>AllaK_Bludwyng wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Awesome, thanks much Vhalen.  So Alliz Onu and Kyr'Tok are, in fact, canon demigods, then.  Cool.  I can't help but wonder, though, what exactly Kyr'Tok's the god <i>of.</i>  If Cazic-Thule is the god of fear, and Alliz Onu is the god of reptiles, what would one say Kyr'Tok is the god of?</blockquote>I think it is pretty clear that Kyr'Tok is the Demi-god of Deformity. Certainly, the sight of gross deformity has always stood close companion to Fear.</blockquote>Makes sense.  I had assumed that that was Bolgin Serilis' domain, given how hideous goblins are and that he's supposed to be deformed, so if it's Kyr'Tok's, I wonder where that leaves him.