Epic Quests and Pre-existing lore

[Wilin]

<p>I noticed that the guardian epic weapon itself is mentioned in the Tome of Destiny. Here are the passages mentioning the sword.</p><p>-------------------------------</p><p>Striding towards the Avatar, Urduuk swore a blood oath to carry out his bidding, extinguishing opposition and building a city worthy of Rallos. Drawing Soulfire, the being touched the flaming blade to Urduuk's shoulder and appointed him as General. He then gave to Urduuk the unholy blade <b>Vel'Arek</b>, forged in Drunder and blessed by Vallon Zek. The sword would drink the blood of the weak to give strength to its wielder. Urduuk turned back to the Chief and drove the sword through his heart, then watched as <b>Vel'Arek</b> seemed to absorb the blood. The Avatar of War voiced his approval and announced that the Avatar of Flame was taking the same message to the Orcs, who would work with the Ogres to remove men and elves from Norrath. General Urduuk agreed to abide by that command but stated that he would first elminate Gukta and the Frogloks. -------------------------------</p><p>When Ignara seemed confused by the General's reference to his father, Urduuk turned on her, drawing the sword <b>Vel'Arek</b>, which he said had been bestowed on him to symbolise his birthright. Not wanting her head to adorn a post, which was the usual fate of anyone who differed with the General, Ignara hastily agreed that he was the son of Zek, holding her breath as he sheathed his sword. </p><p>------------------------------</p><p>Vel'Arek is the guardian epic weapon.</p><p>During part of the guardian epic quest line, we learn that Urduuk's soul was banished to the Plane/Shard of Fear for his desecration of the Temple of Cazic Thule. And we have to free his soul and then kill him to prove that we are worthy of the sword. (Along with honoring the fallen soldiers that protected the sword from iksar capture and calling forth the iksar leader who invaded Tallon's Point to kill him)</p><p>Just curious what other epic quests or weapons have been mentioned in pre-existing lore?</p>

[zerfall]

I'm really hoping someone like Cusa (or perhaps Vhalen or Jindrack) could come by and provide some detail/insight into this...I do know that Vazaelle is the name of an old EQLive server that I believe was merged at one point and no longer exists.  Servers all seemed to be named after significant characters or events, but I haven't been able to come up with anything about Vazaelle.  I'm hoping that the Necro epic questline sheds more light on who Vazaelle is, but I'm a long way off from experiencing it. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Cusashorn]

<p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=406834" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">I'm trying, or at least hoping, to consolidate most of the epic lore to one thread. Feel free to add any contributions you may find.</a></p><p>So far, we know that Master Wu the Enlightened was transformed into the Demi-God of Serenity before the Planes of Power happened. As a parting gift before giving up his plane's existance due to the mortal's interference, he created a katar consisting of 5 blades that each represented 1 of the 5 aspects of Serenity. This weapon was given to a monk and entrusted to the Ashen Order at T'Narev to guard until it was needed again.</p><p>It was used in the Battle of Defiance, where it struck the killing blow against the Avatar of War, and then consequently shattered. Each blade was entrusted to a monk to guard, but each monk ended up going thier seperate ways. Some of them being corrupted by evil.</p><p>I may need to start over the epic (I just started tonight), because I was too stupid to get screenshots of some dialogue, but it was revealed that Grandmaster Tynn of the Swifttail Monks may have also chosen the path of enlightenment, unlike the vast majority of Iksar monks who choose to use thier abilities for evil.</p><p>The Necro Epic involves gathering the remains of Vazaelle Kaelyne, the Demi-Goddess of Insanity. She was all but destroyed during the planar invasions.</p>

[shadowscale]

the remains of <span class="postbody">Vazaelle that necros have to gather is whats left of her mortal form when she was made into a demigod by cazic.  it has nothing to do with the invasion of the plains. </span>

[Cusashorn]

I stand corrected.

[shadowscale]

although <span class="postbody"><span class="postbody">Vazaelle's soul was kinda riped up as well at some point so the invasion might have done that, but never actually explains how it happened in the quest. just get sent out to gather 4 essence gems to put it back together.and to actualy add something to the topic, the npc </span></span>Modani Qu'loni for the illusionist epic was also part of the enchanter epic in EQ1. he has apparently gotten himself stuck as a skorpikis from staying in the illusion to often, as he was also illusioned as one in EQ1the SK epic involves the sword malevolence from EQ1 for the gem it has in the hilt as well and talking to the ghost of Lynis T'val i belive.

[TaleraRis]

<cite>shadowscale wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody"><span class="postbody">and to actualy add something to the topic, the npc </span></span>Modani Qu'loni for the illusionist epic was also part of the enchanter epic in EQ1. he has apparently gotten himself stuck as a skorpikis from staying in the illusion to often, as he was also illusioned as one in EQ1</blockquote>*sigh* Making me wish I had a high level illusionist now so I could see if any other lore was mentioned. Neat way to tie the old quest information in. Is there any lore in the coercer epic? I miss my enchanter <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Banditman]

The Mystic epic is centered around the re-discovery of the "Truespirit" faction, which was the driving force behind the Shaman Spear of Fate quest from EQ1.  There are various aspects which touch on the EQ1 Shaman lore of Thalgar.

[TaleraRis]

<cite>Banditman wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Mystic epic is centered around the re-discovery of the "Truespirit" faction, which was the driving force behind the Shaman Spear of Fate quest from EQ1.  There are various aspects which touch on the EQ1 Shaman lore of Thalgar.</blockquote>My boyfriend played a shammy and I always thought the Spear of Fate story was one of the best pieces of lore out there.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Gwyneth@Najena wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite><blockquote>The Mystic epic is centered around the re-discovery of the "Truespirit" faction, which was the driving force behind the Shaman Spear of Fate quest from EQ1.  There are various aspects which touch on the EQ1 Shaman lore of Thalgar.</blockquote>My boyfriend played a shammy and I always thought the Spear of Fate story was one of the best pieces of lore out there. </blockquote>So whats the reason why the Defilers get a spear, while the Mystics get a lame, ugly looking tree branch?

[Banditman]

That's a really, really sore spot you're sticking that in . . . Mystics are more than a little unhappy that we don't get a spear.

[Zin`Car]

<cite>Banditman wrote:</cite><blockquote>That's a really, really sore spot you're sticking that in . . . Mystics are more than a little unhappy that we don't get a spear.</blockquote>trade you my glowing butter knife with mythical dripping jam

[Banditman]

/wave Luinne

[VerdicAysen]

Ever since they ruined EQ Pally Lore by saying Lucan D'lere stole the Fiery Avenger (after being summarily destroyed at least a million times by players) and then replaced the original Epic, my feelings on Lore have been rather damaged. I'd be very interested in hearing what the reasons for the changes are and the justifications that make it fit into the Lore.

[Gukkor2]

<cite>VerdicAysen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ever since they ruined EQ Pally Lore by saying Lucan D'lere stole the Fiery Avenger (after being summarily destroyed at least a million times by players) and then replaced the original Epic, my feelings on Lore have been rather damaged. I'd be very interested in hearing what the reasons for the changes are and the justifications that make it fit into the Lore. </blockquote>Wut?  You mean Lucan stole <b>Soulfire</b>, right?  Also, by "replaced the original epic," are you referring to the Epic 2.0?

[VerdicAysen]

Aye. And you are correct. Soulfire. Which was the blade that was turned into the Epic. Which made even less sense in EQ2's translation of the events that occured before the Shattering.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>VerdicAysen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Aye. And you are correct. Soulfire. Which was the blade that was turned into the Epic. Which made even less sense in EQ2's translation of the events that occured before the Shattering. </blockquote><p>You argue how Lucan got killed so many times over and over.</p><p>Guess what: He's only been killed once. By you. The paladin completing that epic. Regardless of how many other paladins were walking around with Soulfires, You were the only one who defeated him because they never did, just as they were the only one who defeated him because you never did.</p><p>In the lore of the game, only one Soulfire exists, as does only one of every other legendary weapon, including the epics. It's only a game mechanic that many players are allowed to run around with numerous epics. Lucan is an undead lich, and no matter how many times he may have been defeated, he keeps comming back to life.</p><p>He recovered the Soulfire for himself during the 2nd Rallosian War. I don't see what doesn't make sense about the whole thing. Are you saying that EQ2 should flat out acknowledge that Lucan had lost the Soulfire to a righteous paladin 500 years ago? That was just a minor event in the grand scheme of things, and doesn't play anymore importance to the story now.</p>

[VerdicAysen]

Regardless of how or why he did lose it. Should that not be adhered to in the Lore? Reinterpreting EQ1 Lore and arguing it's significance sounds more like giving leeway to the lack of creativity. And arguing that it means nothing in the "grand scheme of things" sounds more like a cop out. And now there is a Paladin that can weild Soulfire, be an undead lich, and command Paladin-like powers at the same time? I'll agree to disagree on this one. Insulting me doesn't make you any more right, nor me any more wrong. Cheers.

[Jindrack]

<p>Lucan having Soulfire again in EQ2 doesn't undo the lore of the EQ Paladin epic.  The last the paladin or anyone saw of Soulfire in EQ1 it was handed by a paladin to Inte Akera in the Plane of Sky in exchange for the Blessing of Nobility.  When we see Soulfire next it is hundreds of years later at the Battle of Defiance and it was wielded by the Avatar of War.  Upon the defeat of the Avatar of War, Lucan rides in and claims it once again.</p><p>The question is what happened to Aeteok (Soulfire) between the time Inte Akera had it and its reappearance in the hands of the Avatar of War.  Hmm...</p>

[Gukkor2]

<p>Perhaps from his perch in the Plane of Sky, Inte saw the Warlord amassing his forces once more, and launched some sort of campaign into the Plane of War to prevent the coming bloodshed. Maybe he was killed there and Soulfire was lost to Rallos Zek, who then gave it to his avatar.</p><p>Utter speculation, but it would make an interesting fanfic, I think.</p>

[VerdicAysen]

It would be interesting. Though if it was able to be weilded by Avatar's of War would that not make it a Paladin only weapon at all? Or is it able to choose it's weilder who happened to be a Paladin at the time? *ponder*

[Powers]

What was the Blessing of Nobility?Powers  &8^]

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Powers wrote:</cite><blockquote>What was the Blessing of Nobility?Powers  &8^]</blockquote><p><a href="http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/quest.html?quest=10" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://everquest.allakhazam.com/db/...t.html?quest=10</a></p><p>Nothing particularily important. Just another part of the Fiery Avenger paladin epic in EQlive.</p>

[zerfall]

<cite>VerdicAysen wrote:</cite><blockquote>It would be interesting. Though if it was able to be weilded by Avatar's of War would that not make it a Paladin only weapon at all? Or is it able to choose it's weilder who happened to be a Paladin at the time? *ponder*</blockquote>Gods (and their Avatars) don't have to abide by the same "laws" of itemization that players do.  While a Paladin may be the only class able to wield Soulfire itself (in EQLive), that is purely up to game mechanics.  Lore can dictate whomever the devs want to wield the sword.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Zerfall@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>VerdicAysen wrote:</cite><blockquote>It would be interesting. Though if it was able to be weilded by Avatar's of War would that not make it a Paladin only weapon at all? Or is it able to choose it's weilder who happened to be a Paladin at the time? *ponder*</blockquote>Gods (and their Avatars) don't have to abide by the same "laws" of itemization that players do.  While a Paladin may be the only class able to wield Soulfire itself (in EQLive), that is purely up to game mechanics.  Lore can dictate whomever the devs want to wield the sword.</blockquote>The fact that Lucan has the Soulfire is proof of that.

[Illine]

coercer's epic is about Latandre but I don't know who she exactly is. Just a bold High elf :p who needs power and whose staff has been used by many. Even druzilla Sathir.

[Rainmare]

the epic I think he's refering to is the EQ2 pally epic not being a flaming sword. I imagine, like me, he was hoping for an epic battle with Lucan to 'reclaim' soulfire from him.Instead, what we got was we have to help the Reet frogs with thier resistance to the Sathirian Empire. then we learn about the Truth of Marr, which originally was like the Ten Commandments. 2 tablets of 'living metal' that bore the laws of Mith Marr. Some paladin foolishly went into the Shard of Fear alone with them, and was summarily killed.apparently, in there, the tablets reformed themselves into a sword. the Iksar monks claimed it, and had been using it as a weapon of malvolence, due to it being in the Shard so long as to corrupt it.then we get sent to beat up the spider queen in thugga, the golem in PR, and one of the VP dragons to claim rings to 'purify' the weapon, which gives it a blue flame effect, similar to the EQ1 sword of Mith Marr when you fought him in the planes.What drives me up the wall the most is that I'm not a follower of Mith Marr, never have been, never will be. Just once, I'd like to see a paladin epic weapon that DOESN'T involved Mithaniel. Paladins worshipped more gods then him.It would have been nice to have seen Nature's Defender show up from Tunare. or the paladin epic be from Brell and helping reclaim or cleanse Kaladim, or at the very least give the Dwarves a foothold into their former city. Or even better, stop having to help those thrice damned frogs. I'd rather have helped the Order of Marr then helped the Reet Resistance.

[Eriol]

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>What drives me up the wall the most is that I'm not a follower of Mith Marr, never have been, never will be. Just once, I'd like to see a paladin epic weapon that DOESN'T involved Mithaniel. Paladins worshipped more gods then him.It would have been nice to have seen Nature's Defender show up from Tunare. or the paladin epic be from Brell and helping reclaim or cleanse Kaladim, or at the very least give the Dwarves a foothold into their former city. Or even better, stop having to help those thrice damned frogs. I'd rather have helped the Order of Marr then helped the Reet Resistance.</blockquote>Well by virtue of being a paladin, even if he's not your "primary" god, he's still an influence on your life.  He's the God of Valor, and the personification of such, so by being valorous, self-sacrificing, and whatever else a Paladin is supposed to be, even if you worship Tunare, you owe him a debt for showing you the way.  Kind of how a follower of Karana could still hold Tunare in high regard, or whatever.  Just because you're a close follower of one doesn't mean that the others automatically hate you, especially when some of them are allied.

[Gukkor2]

<cite>Eriol wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>What drives me up the wall the most is that I'm not a follower of Mith Marr, never have been, never will be. Just once, I'd like to see a paladin epic weapon that DOESN'T involved Mithaniel. Paladins worshipped more gods then him.It would have been nice to have seen Nature's Defender show up from Tunare. or the paladin epic be from Brell and helping reclaim or cleanse Kaladim, or at the very least give the Dwarves a foothold into their former city. Or even better, stop having to help those thrice damned frogs. I'd rather have helped the Order of Marr then helped the Reet Resistance.</blockquote>Well by virtue of being a paladin, even if he's not your "primary" god, he's still an influence on your life.  He's the God of Valor, and the personification of such, so by being valorous, self-sacrificing, and whatever else a Paladin is supposed to be, even if you worship Tunare, you owe him a debt for showing you the way.  Kind of how a follower of Karana could still hold Tunare in high regard, or whatever.  Just because you're a close follower of one doesn't mean that the others automatically hate you, especially when some of them are allied.</blockquote><p>Right.  Also, it's worth keeping in mind that the epic weapons are embodiments of the quintessential aspects of a class.  While not every paladin worships Mithaniel Marr (not by any stretch), he is the god most closely associated with paladins.  Similarly, even though my monk worships Marr, I can't really complain that the monk epic is Quellious-centric, because she's the quintessential "god of monks."</p>

[DukeOccam]

<p><cite>VerdicAysen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>It would be interesting. Though if it was able to be weilded by Avatar's of War would that not make it a Paladin only weapon at all? Or is it able to choose it's weilder who happened to be a Paladin at the time? *ponder*</blockquote><p>It's also flagged NOTRADE, yet clearly it's changed hands a few times. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Caethas@Permafrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>VerdicAysen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>It would be interesting. Though if it was able to be weilded by Avatar's of War would that not make it a Paladin only weapon at all? Or is it able to choose it's weilder who happened to be a Paladin at the time? *ponder*</blockquote><p>It's also flagged NOTRADE, yet clearly it's changed hands a few times. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Game mechanics.........</p>

[DukeOccam]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Caethas@Permafrost wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>VerdicAysen wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>It would be interesting. Though if it was able to be weilded by Avatar's of War would that not make it a Paladin only weapon at all? Or is it able to choose it's weilder who happened to be a Paladin at the time? *ponder*</blockquote><p>It's also flagged NOTRADE, yet clearly it's changed hands a few times. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>Game mechanics.........</p></blockquote><p>Yeah I know...that was kind of my point. I don't stick my tongue out for no reason, you know.</p>

[diabs]

<p>But but but.....  Its NO-TRADE, you cant sell no trade items!!</p>

[Rainmare]

<p>I mean I understand the link to mith marr, and while it is an annoyance, it's not that big of one. my biggest annoyance was those [Removed for Content] frogloks. which is probably why I have such an annoyance with mith marr.</p><p>he's the father to the frogloks in thier 'blessed' form, but I find them for the most part overly annoying little amphibians. esepcially in Kunark. at least in Innothule they put up a fight, they took Grobb and made Gukta. in Kunark they hide in the deepest darkest recesses of sebilis, adn thier entire 'resistance' really is nothing more then praising marr and begging for him to come down and smite the Iksar.</p><p>they steel weapons from a barracks and from dead iksar soldiers. they attempt to poison some food. they do things that are not even minor annoyances to the Iksar Empire. not one quest to go save or release the frogs captive in sebilis. nothing about the ones being transported as slave labor through the Fens. and then, when thier hidden resistance gets discovered, the cower in fear while you single handedly go and drive off the force that found them.</p><p>I would have much prefered, if I had to work with mithaniel in some way rather then my patron god, that I at LEAST got to work with the Order of Marr. helped on one of thier crusades against evil or undead. hell they coudl heve tied it into Exonus, having part fo the questline be protecting it from an onslaught of darker forces (Lucan's Luncanic Knights/Kerafyrm's Cult/Minons of Fear/Hate or hell even the Shadowed Men seeking to reclaim it for Theer)</p><p>Anything besides saving the hides of some whiney frogs that do nothing but pray to mith marr to deliver them from evil and run when evil finds thier hiding spot.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>in Kunark they hide in the deepest darkest recesses of sebilis, adn thier entire 'resistance' really is nothing more then praising marr and begging for him to come down and smite the Iksar.<p>they steel weapons from a barracks and from dead iksar soldiers. they attempt to poison some food. they do things that are not even minor annoyances to the Iksar Empire. not one quest to go save or release the frogs captive in sebilis. nothing about the ones being transported as slave labor through the Fens. and then, when thier hidden resistance gets discovered, the cower in fear while you single handedly go and drive off the force that found them.</p></blockquote><p>Actually, the frogloks in Kunzar Jungle and Sebilis acknowledge Bertoxxulous as one of their gods. I'm pretty sure I remember mention of him from one of the quests in KJ.</p>

[Gisallo]

<p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>That's a really, really sore spot you're sticking that in . . . Mystics are more than a little unhappy that we don't get a spear.</blockquote><p>Just s the wound had started to scab over she stabs it with a SPORK!!!!   OW.  thanks <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Galibier@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>That's a really, really sore spot you're sticking that in . . . Mystics are more than a little unhappy that we don't get a spear.</blockquote><p>Just s the wound had started to scab over she stabs it with a SPORK!!!!   OW.  thanks <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>What wound? This thread was necroed from 17 months ago.</p>

[Gisallo]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Galibier@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>That's a really, really sore spot you're sticking that in . . . Mystics are more than a little unhappy that we don't get a spear.</blockquote><p>Just s the wound had started to scab over she stabs it with a SPORK!!!!   OW.  thanks <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>What wound? This thread was necroed from 17 months ago.</p></blockquote><p>A) it still bothers mystics even now, also I have been posting recently I was called away from such things off and on due to RL issues.  WHen I read posts for the first time I read the ENTIRE thread, just so I understand whats going on.  What was a scab 17 months ago tbh really is still a scab now though for mystics.  I mean look around, tell me you can't see that Mystics are the ones MOST using appearance slots to hide their fableds/myths?  I speak even to templars running around with something that resembles some BDSM thing from a bad hentai more than I see mystics running around with their's.</p><p>B) it was in good fun, don't take it so seriously.  Please don't tell me you think someone refering to sporks is being serious?  Jeez.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p><cite>Galibier@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Galibier@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p><cite>Banditman wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>That's a really, really sore spot you're sticking that in . . . Mystics are more than a little unhappy that we don't get a spear.</blockquote><p>Just s the wound had started to scab over she stabs it with a SPORK!!!!   OW.  thanks <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" /></p></blockquote><p>What wound? This thread was necroed from 17 months ago.</p></blockquote><p>A) it still bothers mystics even now, also I have been posting recently I was called away from such things off and on due to RL issues.  WHen I read posts for the first time I read the ENTIRE thread, just so I understand whats going on.  What was a scab 17 months ago tbh really is still a scab now though for mystics.  I mean look around, tell me you can't see that Mystics are the ones MOST using appearance slots to hide their fableds/myths?  I speak even to templars running around with something that resembles some BDSM thing from a bad hentai more than I see mystics running around with their's.</p><p>B) it was in good fun, don't take it so seriously.  Please don't tell me you think someone refering to sporks is being serious?  Jeez.</p></blockquote><p>I usually come off as serious most of the time on these boards. It's just how I am. I knew you said it only as a jest. The humor was not lost on me. It's just how I am though.</p><p>I don't really pay attention to the weapon appearances of other classes. Especially not the priests, who are usually behind me when I'm fighting... Though, now that I think about it, what few times I did observe, I never saw any tree branches.</p><p>I will admit, I've never heard anyone compare the "Mechanical Mallet" to something out of Cool Devices... Really.. never considered such a notion before as the way you described the Templar epic.</p>

[Gisallo]

<p><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I usually come off as serious most of the time on these boards. It's just how I am. I knew you said it only as a jest. The humor was not lost on me. It's just how I am though.</p><p>I don't really pay attention to the weapon appearances of other classes. Especially not the priests, who are usually behind me when I'm fighting... Though, now that I think about it, what few times I did observe, I never saw any tree branches.</p><p>I will admit, I've never heard anyone compare the "Mechanical Mallet" to something out of Cool Devices... Really.. never considered such a notion before as the way you described the Templar epic.</p></blockquote><p>No0 harm done.  I will have to be honest though the hentai reference was not my idea.  I always thought it looked wierd and couldn't put my finger on it, then one night a guildie who just got myth'd in vent said something that effect of "now I have the mythical <insert lewd hentai reference here>"...I then said "ding thats IT!!!!!!!!!".  I think he even photo shopped the mythical spam to that effect, I need to see if I can find it.  I have an odd sense of humor of such things I guess. </p>

[Meirril]

<p><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I mean I understand the link to mith marr, and while it is an annoyance, it's not that big of one. my biggest annoyance was those [Removed for Content] frogloks. which is probably why I have such an annoyance with mith marr.</p><p>he's the father to the frogloks in thier 'blessed' form, but I find them for the most part overly annoying little amphibians. esepcially in Kunark. at least in Innothule they put up a fight, they took Grobb and made Gukta. in Kunark they hide in the deepest darkest recesses of sebilis, adn thier entire 'resistance' really is nothing more then praising marr and begging for him to come down and smite the Iksar.</p><p>they steel weapons from a barracks and from dead iksar soldiers. they attempt to poison some food. they do things that are not even minor annoyances to the Iksar Empire. not one quest to go save or release the frogs captive in sebilis. nothing about the ones being transported as slave labor through the Fens. and then, when thier hidden resistance gets discovered, the cower in fear while you single handedly go and drive off the force that found them.</p><p>I would have much prefered, if I had to work with mithaniel in some way rather then my patron god, that I at LEAST got to work with the Order of Marr. helped on one of thier crusades against evil or undead. hell they coudl heve tied it into Exonus, having part fo the questline be protecting it from an onslaught of darker forces (Lucan's Luncanic Knights/Kerafyrm's Cult/Minons of Fear/Hate or hell even the Shadowed Men seeking to reclaim it for Theer)</p><p>Anything besides saving the hides of some whiney frogs that do nothing but pray to mith marr to deliver them from evil and run when evil finds thier hiding spot.</p></blockquote><p>Personally I would of rathered you worked for Teran (leader of Teran's Grasp) doing various acts of kindness, valor and courage for the benifit of his followers which ultimately has you root out a spy ring of Draknids who were going to use the Satherians as pawns in an attempt to steal Teran's weapon from him. Both as thanks for saving TG from the Draknid plot and to prevent TG from being a future target of the Draknid Teran publically rewards you his sword, the Fiery Avenger (he is a paladin after all). He mentions that the blade was damaged in his many battles before relocating the survivors to the old combine spires.</p><p>While evacuating from Fierona Vie the Draknid made an attempt to steal the sword long ago. While Teran was able to thwart the theft, a small gem from the pommel went missing. While helping refugees from the Overlord's Outpost escape to safety, the group was ambushed by a dragon. While Teran and others were able to lead the dragon away from the refugees and successfully allude it in skyfire another gem was lost during that battle. The last gem remaining in the pommel was lost while Teran personally scoutted Old Sebilis as a possible new hideout for his people when he herd rumors that Trakanon had abandoned his old lair. The gem was lost during a pitched battle with Iksar soldiers that he later learned were the new Satherian loyalists. Teran has noticed the blade has weakened with the loss of its gems. He feels if the gems were found it could be restored to its former glory. As a final step you travel to Qeynos where the Priests of Life purify the gems and restore the blade to honor.</p>