Mirror of reflected AA question

[Kneemin]

Ok, so recently my crafting alt has started lvling again, he is indeed NOT My main and thus much lower lvl... however it seems painfully difficult to find ppl to craft things on pvp server (especially the [Removed for Content] mirror).Ok so I like to be self sufficient and all... is there any possible way i can have one made by my alt for my main once i get the faction... it will severely [Removed for Content] me off if b/c my crafter and main are on the same account i can't craft myself a mirror.... that would really suck and I think SOE needs to rethink the required commissions thing!!11!

[Jesdyr]

you cannot craft it for your alts.

[Valdaglerion]

No, the mirror is no-trade and must be comissioned. You cant craft it for alts on the same account.

[Kneemin]

ok, that being said...SOE could you please fix this BS that forces me to rely on other ppl on a server that most of the crafters are rather lazy as opposed to PvE servers?!??!I have been looking for DAYS and not one person can craft a mirror... and i seem to be the only crafter i know trying to be able to..BS on the fact that my alt should be able to craft a mirror yet my main cannot have one b/c of the no-trade BS... who cares if they sell them on the broker.. just let me have my mirror please!!!!

[Valdaglerion]

<cite>Kneemin@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok, that being said...SOE could you please fix this BS that forces me to rely on other ppl on a server that most of the crafters are rather lazy as opposed to PvE servers?!??!I have been looking for DAYS and not one person can craft a mirror... and i seem to be the only crafter i know trying to be able to..BS on the fact that my alt should be able to craft a mirror yet my main cannot have one b/c of the no-trade BS... who cares if they sell them on the broker.. just let me have my mirror please!!!!</blockquote>I know I am going to get flamed for this but you do realize this is a MULTI-PLAYER game, right?I always hear how awesome the PvP servers are compared to the blue servers because they are more challenging. Well, heres your challenge.Personally, I failed at PvP life. Oh, it wasnt the PvP or the mobs or anything it was the community mindset there. You see I didnt like the drama, the raging teen hormones that permeated every facet of the game there, the gank squads, the general lack of helpful communities even within your own city areas, etc. I deleted my toon on Nagafen and havent gone back to PvP again. Just not my style, sounds like you are running into some of that as well.Nothing needs to change with the mirror or the tradeskill epic questline either which also requires working with other players. Perhaps you need to change your toon's server. Just a thought...

[Frijoles]

<cite>Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kneemin@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok, that being said...SOE could you please fix this BS that forces me to rely on other ppl on a server that most of the crafters are rather lazy as opposed to PvE servers?!??!I have been looking for DAYS and not one person can craft a mirror... and i seem to be the only crafter i know trying to be able to..BS on the fact that my alt should be able to craft a mirror yet my main cannot have one b/c of the no-trade BS... who cares if they sell them on the broker.. just let me have my mirror please!!!!</blockquote>I know I am going to get flamed for this but you do realize this is a MULTI-PLAYER game, right?I always hear how awesome the PvP servers are compared to the blue servers because they are more challenging. Well, heres your challenge.Personally, I failed at PvP life. Oh, it wasnt the PvP or the mobs or anything <b><span style="color: #ff0000;">it was the community mindset there</span></b>. You see I didnt like the drama, the raging teen hormones that permeated every facet of the game there, the gank squads, the general lack of helpful communities even within your own city areas, etc. I deleted my toon on Nagafen and havent gone back to PvP again. Just not my style, sounds like you are running into some of that as well.Nothing needs to change with the mirror or the tradeskill epic questline either which also requires working with other players. Perhaps you need to change your toon's server. Just a thought...</blockquote><p>I submit that it is this very same 'community mindset' that is the reason the OP is having such a difficult time finding someone to commission for the making of the AA mirror.</p><p>I'm afraid that once the 'rush' dies down - once the newness wears off - regarding these recently introduced crafting items (including the epics of course) it's going to become increasingly more difficult to find people who are willing to take the time to help out with these things - on PvE and PvP servers alike.</p><p>The commissioning system, in its current state, is more of a hinderance to players than it is a boon. Period.</p><p>Way to <i>not</i> think ahead, SOE.</p>

[Valdaglerion]

<cite>Drash wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kneemin@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok, that being said...SOE could you please fix this BS that forces me to rely on other ppl on a server that most of the crafters are rather lazy as opposed to PvE servers?!??!I have been looking for DAYS and not one person can craft a mirror... and i seem to be the only crafter i know trying to be able to..BS on the fact that my alt should be able to craft a mirror yet my main cannot have one b/c of the no-trade BS... who cares if they sell them on the broker.. just let me have my mirror please!!!!</blockquote>I know I am going to get flamed for this but you do realize this is a MULTI-PLAYER game, right?I always hear how awesome the PvP servers are compared to the blue servers because they are more challenging. Well, heres your challenge.Personally, I failed at PvP life. Oh, it wasnt the PvP or the mobs or anything <b><span style="color: #ff0000;">it was the community mindset there</span></b>. You see I didnt like the drama, the raging teen hormones that permeated every facet of the game there, the gank squads, the general lack of helpful communities even within your own city areas, etc. I deleted my toon on Nagafen and havent gone back to PvP again. Just not my style, sounds like you are running into some of that as well.Nothing needs to change with the mirror or the tradeskill epic questline either which also requires working with other players. Perhaps you need to change your toon's server. Just a thought...</blockquote><p><b><span style="color: #ff0000;">I submit that it is this very same 'community mindset' that is the reason the OP is having such a difficult time finding someone to commission for the making of the AA mirror.</span></b></p><p>I'm afraid that once the 'rush' dies down - once the newness wears off - regarding these recently introduced crafting items (including the epics of course) it's going to become increasingly more difficult to find people who are willing to take the time to help out with these things - on PvE and PvP servers alike.</p><p>The commissioning system, in its current state, is more of a hinderance to players than it is a boon. Period.</p><p>Way to <i>not</i> think ahead, SOE.</p></blockquote>Precisely, its not a problem with the game mechanics, its a problem with the community mindset and actually on the PvE servers we are finding the quests for tradeskilling getting easier. More people have decided that leveling up and doing writs has some value associated with them now in being able to make the mirror and the trade skill epic earring reward. So my observations are in contrast to your feelings. The only players being hindered are those who like to play with themself rather than others, period <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />If Domino had made something obscure about the crafting portion such as requiring a special crafting station only found at the bottom of SoS, top of PoA, in EH then yeah I would agree with you but good grief, these are common items and same old crafting stations found in every city, many outlying areas and tinkers can pull them up at will. Finding someone to take 2 minutes to make something for you isnt anymore difficult than it is for anything else.Suggestion -use /who all [insert class here] 80that will tell you all the crafters online that are 80 for that class, see where they are. If they are hanging out in the TS instance ask them if they can make the mirror (I used 80 because if you have ally faction and are a writ grinder you are probably a top end crafter, you can use 75-80 though as you have to be 75 to make the mirror in the first place). Tell them you have all the parts (so make sure you do) and you will come to them if they can make you one. Most of the time someone sitting in front of a crafting station that doesnt have to do anything or go anywhere will help you out.Sending a channel blast that says "can someone make a mirror for me please" gets avoided. You havent done any work so far and will likely ask me to do more of it for you. You also havent told me how much you are willing to pay which will likely not be much. So yeah, much more unlikely to happen unless you send a channel blast that says  "who can make an aa mirror for me, paying 5p" etc.

[Frijoles]

<cite>Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Drash wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Artemiz@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kneemin@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok, that being said...SOE could you please fix this BS that forces me to rely on other ppl on a server that most of the crafters are rather lazy as opposed to PvE servers?!??!I have been looking for DAYS and not one person can craft a mirror... and i seem to be the only crafter i know trying to be able to..BS on the fact that my alt should be able to craft a mirror yet my main cannot have one b/c of the no-trade BS... who cares if they sell them on the broker.. just let me have my mirror please!!!!</blockquote>I know I am going to get flamed for this but you do realize this is a MULTI-PLAYER game, right?I always hear how awesome the PvP servers are compared to the blue servers because they are more challenging. Well, heres your challenge.Personally, I failed at PvP life. Oh, it wasnt the PvP or the mobs or anything <b><span style="color: #ff0000;">it was the community mindset there</span></b>. You see I didnt like the drama, the raging teen hormones that permeated every facet of the game there, the gank squads, the general lack of helpful communities even within your own city areas, etc. I deleted my toon on Nagafen and havent gone back to PvP again. Just not my style, sounds like you are running into some of that as well.Nothing needs to change with the mirror or the tradeskill epic questline either which also requires working with other players. Perhaps you need to change your toon's server. Just a thought...</blockquote><p><b><span style="color: #ff0000;">I submit that it is this very same 'community mindset' that is the reason the OP is having such a difficult time finding someone to commission for the making of the AA mirror.</span></b></p><p>I'm afraid that once the 'rush' dies down - once the newness wears off - regarding these recently introduced crafting items (including the epics of course) it's going to become increasingly more difficult to find people who are willing to take the time to help out with these things - on PvE and PvP servers alike.</p><p>The commissioning system, in its current state, is more of a hinderance to players than it is a boon. Period.</p><p>Way to <i>not</i> think ahead, SOE.</p></blockquote>Precisely, its not a problem with the game mechanics, its a problem with the community mindset and actually on the PvE servers we are finding the quests for tradeskilling getting easier. More people have decided that leveling up and doing writs has some value associated with them now in being able to make the mirror and the trade skill epic earring reward. So my observations are in contrast to your feelings. The only players being hindered are those who like to play with themself rather than others, period <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />">If Domino had made something obscure about the crafting portion such as requiring a special crafting station only found at the bottom of SoS, top of PoA, in EH then yeah I would agree with you but good grief, these are common items and same old crafting stations found in every city, many outlying areas and tinkers can pull them up at will. Finding someone to take 2 minutes to make something for you isnt anymore difficult than it is for anything else.Suggestion -use /who all [insert class here] 80that will tell you all the crafters online that are 80 for that class, see where they are. If they are hanging out in the TS instance ask them if they can make the mirror (I used 80 because if you have ally faction and are a writ grinder you are probably a top end crafter, you can use 75-80 though as you have to be 75 to make the mirror in the first place). Tell them you have all the parts (so make sure you do) and you will come to them if they can make you one. Most of the time someone sitting in front of a crafting station that doesnt have to do anything or go anywhere will help you out.Sending a channel blast that says "can someone make a mirror for me please" gets avoided. You havent done any work so far and will likely ask me to do more of it for you. You also havent told me how much you are willing to pay which will likely not be much. So yeah, much more unlikely to happen unless you send a channel blast that says  "who can make an aa mirror for me, paying 5p" etc. </blockquote><p>I hope you're right, Art. But I don't think so.</p><p>It's going to be months before I get my characters (nine now, one in each tradeskill) leveled up enough to pursue these crafting goals - and yes, I'm a typical example of someone who solos a lot and tries to be as independant as possible (although I have no problem offering to help others, or stepping up to help when asked to do so).</p><p>By that time I'm sure there will still be folks floating around that I might be able to hook up with, but (setting aside the fact that I'll have to step outside my own style of play to do so) I'm sure there won't be nearly as many, and that the profiteers will be strongly represented among them.</p><p>There's more than one issue at work here. First there's the interdepency issue. Some of us do not want to have to go out of our way to find others who'll help (and by that I mean logging on at time when I don't normally play, for one thing, because it's usually 0'dark-thirty when I play), but then there's the fact that all the time and effort that's being/been channeled into leveling 9 different crafters is useless when it comes to them being able to <i>do for themselves</i> the things they'll (arguably) have trained and worked the hardest for.</p><p>I've seen this commissioning thing, as it relates to these high-end achievements, characterized as a 'slap in the face' to crafters like me. I won't go as far as to echo that sentinment, but I'm very close to agreeing with it.   </p>

[Meirril]

<cite>Drash wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There's more than one issue at work here. First there's the interdepency issue. Some of us do not want to have to go out of our way to find others who'll help (and by that I mean logging on at time when I don't normally play, for one thing, because it's usually 0'dark-thirty when I play), but then there's the fact that all the time and effort that's being/been channeled into leveling 9 different crafters is useless when it comes to them being able to <i>do for themselves</i> the things they'll (arguably) have trained and worked the hardest for.</p></blockquote><p>Look on the bright side, if you had done 9 adventuring classes instead of 9 crafting classes you would have 9 entirely different epic weapon quests to do instead of 3 variations of the same quest. Each character puts in as much effort into their epic as every other character. And if you choose to do the crafting epic with less than all of your characters, no big deal. There really isn't a single thing essential to doing this epic. Its not like your any less of a crafter because you don't have a title, a cloak, some house item, or a really nice harvesting earring.</p><p>So, ya know, relax. Worse comes to worse you do your crafting epic a year from now and it takes a week to track down the other 8 players you'll need. Considering how hard all 24 other epic quests are...this is nothing.</p>

[Frijoles]

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Drash wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There's more than one issue at work here. First there's the interdepency issue. Some of us do not want to have to go out of our way to find others who'll help (and by that I mean logging on at time when I don't normally play, for one thing, because it's usually 0'dark-thirty when I play), but then there's the fact that all the time and effort that's being/been channeled into leveling 9 different crafters is useless when it comes to them being able to <i>do for themselves</i> the things they'll (arguably) have trained and worked the hardest for.</p></blockquote><p>Look on the bright side, if you had done 9 adventuring classes instead of 9 crafting classes you would have 9 entirely different epic weapon quests to do instead of 3 variations of the same quest. Each character puts in as much effort into their epic as every other character. And if you choose to do the crafting epic with less than all of your characters, no big deal. There really isn't a single thing essential to doing this epic. Its not like your any less of a crafter because you don't have a title, a cloak, some house item, or a really nice harvesting earring.</p><p>So, ya know, relax. Worse comes to worse you do your crafting epic a year from now and it takes a week to track down the other 8 players you'll need. Considering how hard all 24 other epic quests are...this is nothing.</p></blockquote><p>All of my crafters are also adventurers of varying levels and, while their adventuring will probably take a 'back seat' to their crafting for a long while (for most of them anyway), I have every intention of (one day) getting each of them their adventuring epic also. I'm looking forward to it, in fact.</p><p>I really don't have much of a problem with taking a longer road or spending more time, perhaps, than I otherwise would to get things done - it's one of the costs of doing things the way I do them. And I'm not asking that anything be made 'easier' - only that the process not become bogged down to the point where it's a flaming pain in the hind parts to complete - and thus, (arguably) more trouble than it's worth. This is a point that's different for each individual, true enough, but I see enough people expressing their concerns about it (commissioned crafting as a quest <i>requirement</i>) that I believe SOE really should have given the matter more consideration before implementing it. That's all I'm saying.</p><p>In the mean time, I'm going forward with my plan to make the system work for me the same way it works for eveyone else. Before I ask anyone for help, everyone on my server will know that all nine of my tradeskillers are there for them. I've got no problem with being a contributing member of the community I'm part of, really - I just don't want to have turn my game upside down to do it.</p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[KerowynnKaotic]

<cite>Kneemin@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok, that being said...SOE could you please fix this BS that forces me to rely on other ppl on a server that most of the crafters are rather lazy as opposed to PvE servers?!??!I have been looking for DAYS and not one person can craft a mirror... <b>and i seem to be the only crafter i know trying to be able to..</b>BS on the fact that my alt should be able to craft a mirror yet my main cannot have one b/c of the no-trade BS... who cares if they sell them on the broker.. just let me have my mirror please!!!!</blockquote><p>And, I presume you are making some bank doing the AA Mirror for all the people on your alignment ..?</p><p>Maybe, you should try finding someone that is somewhat casually working on the faction required and let them know how much money you are making by doing combines ... </p><p>Ya know the saying .. you can catch more freeps with a newb than with a vet.  ... or .. something like that .. </p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Oh]

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kneemin@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok, that being said...SOE could you please fix this BS that forces me to rely on other ppl on a server that most of the crafters are rather lazy as opposed to PvE servers?!??!I have been looking for DAYS and not one person can craft a mirror... <b>and i seem to be the only crafter i know trying to be able to..</b>BS on the fact that my alt should be able to craft a mirror yet my main cannot have one b/c of the no-trade BS... who cares if they sell them on the broker.. just let me have my mirror please!!!!</blockquote><p>And, I presume you are making some bank doing the AA Mirror for all the people on your alignment ..?</p><p>Maybe, you should try finding someone that is somewhat casually working on the faction required and let them know how much money you are making by doing combines ... </p><p>Ya know the saying .. you can catch more freeps with a newb than with a vet.  ... or .. something like that .. </p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>People make money doing those?? Geesh i guess i should be a stingy Fae and charge!! lol actually i just do the combines to be nice and neighborly, cause i know someday the shoes will be reversed and i might need a favor from them.

[Alvane]

For those looking to have mirrors made, both Slizz, in Scale Yard, FP; and Celestina in Qeynos can make them for you. I do not charge a fee and only ask that you reimburse me for the fuel costs (10g). I am on unrest server.Mirrors can be made by alts if you have two computers.I hope that helps some of you. You can also check the boards for those who can make the mirrors. It is a commissioned item and no-trade.Slizz, warlock in training lvl 34; provisioner in training lvl 80Celestina, toltec healer - warden lvl 80; master alchemist in training lvl 80

[Meirril]

<cite>Kaisha@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kneemin@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>ok, that being said...SOE could you please fix this BS that forces me to rely on other ppl on a server that most of the crafters are rather lazy as opposed to PvE servers?!??!I have been looking for DAYS and not one person can craft a mirror... <b>and i seem to be the only crafter i know trying to be able to..</b>BS on the fact that my alt should be able to craft a mirror yet my main cannot have one b/c of the no-trade BS... who cares if they sell them on the broker.. just let me have my mirror please!!!!</blockquote><p>And, I presume you are making some bank doing the AA Mirror for all the people on your alignment ..?</p><p>Maybe, you should try finding someone that is somewhat casually working on the faction required and let them know how much money you are making by doing combines ... </p><p>Ya know the saying .. you can catch more freeps with a newb than with a vet.  ... or .. something like that .. </p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>One other thing to consider, most vetran crafters like myself worked our way up to 60 before crafting writs were worth doing. New crafters that did writs from 20 to 80 are much more likely to have the necessary 40k faction than us more established crafters. Especially classes that have very few recipes and so use writs more often, like woodworkers.

[Skivley101]

<cite>Meirril wrote:</cite><blockquote>One other thing to consider, most vetran crafters like myself worked our way up to 60 before crafting writs were worth doing. New crafters that did writs from 20 to 80 are much more likely to have the necessary 40k faction than us more established crafters. Especially classes that have very few recipes and so use writs more often, like woodworkers.</blockquote><p>Sheesh ... you aint kidding .... I tried a few crafting ritz way back when as a provy ... Due to the time constraint and it was much harder to craft said items, plus harvesting the components took alot longer (or broker prices were outrageous)  I opted to never craft ritz again.</p><p>But now with the new crafting/harvesting system ... Imo crafting ritz are the easiest way to get status.</p><p>The only adventure ritz i will do anymore are for the freeport Militia (just cuz i want to buy their armour)</p><p>Since the AA mirrors came out , I decided to revisit crafting ritz & was pleasantly suprised (thanx Domino)</p><p>I did most of my harvesting , did all ritz .... Went from 70 to 80 ... gained around 120k status for guild ... But I only gained about 20k faction ....</p><p>How bout giving Vetrans some faction coin to spend ?... I think 20K ought to do it <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Valdaglerion]

<cite>Slizz@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>For those looking to have mirrors made, both Slizz, in Scale Yard, FP; and Celestina in Qeynos can make them for you. I do not charge a fee and only ask that you reimburse me for the fuel costs (10g). I am on unrest server.<b><span style="color: #ff0000;">Mirrors can be made by alts if you have two computers.</span></b>I hope that helps some of you. You can also check the boards for those who can make the mirrors. It is a commissioned item and no-trade.Slizz, warlock in training lvl 34; provisioner in training lvl 80Celestina, toltec healer - warden lvl 80; master alchemist in training lvl 80</blockquote>You dont need two computers but you do need two accounts as you can only log into one account at a time.