Vah shir!

[Iceyx]

I am pretty new to the game, coming from WoW.  Back in EQ1 I had an awesome looking Vah Shir bard.  I collected all the masks, but never used them; my character was already great looking!Kerrans on the other hand are freakish looking.  Acually a good amount of the female models in this game are strange looking.  But the one that hit hardest was kerrans!Are there any plans to provide alternate models for kerrans in this game? I notice almost every other race aside from kerrans has the option.  Or any model editors out there for more vah shir looking kerrans?I miss Vah Shir...[inb4furry]

[Aurumn]

<p>If memory serves the alternate models were added to the non-beast races for the asian market quite a while back. So, no new alternate models. Assuming the fabled Skeletal Revamp happens then all models would be replaced with the new and improved stuff. </p><p>As far as the Va Shir thing, I'm not an EQ1 vet, but IIRC that race was wiped out when Luclin went kaboom so they don't exist anymore... therefore I doubt they would be represented in any way. Sorry! *ducks*</p><p>**PS... You can always roll a ratonga. We're more fun than the kitties!**</p>

[Grol]

Vah Shir and Kerrans are NOT the same. The Vah Shir were from Luclin, the Kerrans were an island race, can't remember where atm. Actually in EQ1 you could find them, fight them, etc, and they were taller and lankier, so the models are correct.I do miss my old Vah Shir SHammy and his Drog though.. man.. wish they'd bring drogs back. That's like the top thing on my wish list.

[Iceyx]

Yeah, i realize they are not the same race.  I'd much prefer looking like a vah shir though. Does this game have any skinning sites at all?

[Grol]

I've never seen one, but if you find one PLEASE let me know, so that I can find out how to do it. I'd be more than happy to make some new models and skins...I love some of the current ones, but others.. nope. (I can't make my 'perfect dwarf' goddurnit)

[Iceyx]

google fails me ;/ looks like people just aren't into that sort of thing with this game.  Hell most of these searches bring up WoW model edits!

[Journee]

<cite>Kanesh_The_Mad wrote:</cite><blockquote>I do miss my old Vah Shir SHammy and his Drog though.. man.. wish they'd bring drogs back. That's like the top thing on my wish list.</blockquote><p><span style="font-size: x-small;color: #ff9900;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">I completely agree, I miss my old lumber lug of a mount my green droag.  Considering that they came with the gulf of gunthak I don't know why they can't give them back to us, I miss gunthak as well.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;color: #ff9900;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">I agree with the Vah Shir looking better than the Kerrans.  They island they came from was called Kerra Island btw hence they were Kerrans <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;color: #ff9900;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">~Journee~</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Mezzmyrelda@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If memory serves the alternate models were added to the non-beast races for the asian market quite a while back. So, no new alternate models. Assuming the fabled Skeletal Revamp happens then all models would be replaced with the new and improved stuff. </p></blockquote><p>The Skeletal Revamp isn't giving the game new models. It's adding minor enhancements such as belly buttons, toes, and the ability to look straight ahead without your head resting at a natural slant.</p><p>The Kerrans in this game both are and are not the Vah Shir.</p><p>when Luclin was sealed off from the rest of Norrath, all the Vah Shir adventurers who were trapped on Norrath decided to move in with the Kerra tribes on Odus. Through 400+ years of breeding, the Vah Shir's predatorial cat genetics merged together with the puny Kerra's. The result you have before you are the new Kerra, only called Kerra by name because they came from the same tribe.</p>

[Wildmage]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mezzmyrelda@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If memory serves the alternate models were added to the non-beast races for the asian market quite a while back. So, no new alternate models. Assuming the fabled Skeletal Revamp happens then all models would be replaced with the new and improved stuff. </p></blockquote><p>The Skeletal Revamp isn't giving the game new models. It's adding minor enhancements such as belly buttons, toes, and the ability to look straight ahead without your head resting at a natural slant.</p><p>The Kerrans in this game both are and are not the Vah Shir.</p><p>when Luclin was sealed off from the rest of Norrath, all the Vah Shir adventurers who were trapped on Norrath decided to move in with the Kerra tribes on Odus. Through 400+ years of breeding, the Vah Shir's predatorial cat genetics merged together with the puny Kerra's. The result you have before you are the new Kerra, only called Kerra by name because they came from the same tribe.</p></blockquote>Also People fail to consider that Kerran in EQ1 had launch graphics and Van Shir were the introduced at the same time as the graphical model upgrade in EQ1 and if you look at the difference in graphics the only significant difference between the Van Shir and Kerran graphics in EQ1 is that Van Shir get shirts and pants.  And then EQ2 Kerran look pretty much exactly like the Van Shir only with options for facial ornaments.  So no theres no Van Shir race coming or Van Shir looking alternate models because their already here. Get. Over. It.  Theres only so much you can do with Cat people for pete's sake you either get what EQ2 has or Catgirls from FFXI.edit: and for the record Van Shir were just a geographically isolated subspecies of Kerran in the first place who got teleported to the moon, which is why they were so easily able to interbreed post Luclin Kaboom.

[SisterTheresa]

<cite>Iceyx wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah, i realize they are not the same race.  I'd much prefer looking like a vah shir though. Does this game have any skinning sites at all?</blockquote><p>??</p><p>Skinning sites ...</p><p>I can give you a ton for the Sims and Oblivion.  I highly doubt SoE would even allow it.</p><p>Only problem I have with the Kerra is .. they really don't look like cats.  Even with messing with their faces, ears aren't high enough and their snout just can't sit right for a cat.</p>

[LordPazuzu]

<cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Also People fail to consider that Kerran in EQ1 had launch graphics and Van Shir were the introduced at the same time as the graphical model upgrade in EQ1 and if you look at the difference in graphics the only significant difference between the Van Shir and Kerran graphics in EQ1 is that Van Shir get shirts and pants.  And then EQ2 Kerran look pretty much exactly like the Van Shir only with options for facial ornaments.  So no theres no Van Shir race coming or Van Shir looking alternate models because their already here. Get. Over. It.  Theres only so much you can do with Cat people for pete's sake you either get what EQ2 has or Catgirls from FFXI.edit: and for the record Van Shir were just a geographically isolated subspecies of Kerran in the first place who got teleported to the moon, which is why they were so easily able to interbreed post Luclin Kaboom.</blockquote><p>Haha!  The EQ2 Kerrans certainly do not look just like the Vah Shir!  Not even close.</p><p>There were considerable differences between Kerrans and Vah Shir, as well as the Kejekans.  The Vah Shir breeds were the nobility of the cat races of Odus.  If you look at them, they are the lions, tigers, and leopards of the cat races.  The Kerrans seem to be more of the lynx/bobcat variety and the Kejekans were more mountain lion in nature. Racially, the Vah Shir were larger and more powerfully built than the Kerrans and Kejekans.</p><p>The current race of Kerran is really just a hodge podge tomcat breed of Vah Shir, Kerran, and Kejekan all intermingled.  The height factor is definitely a result of the Vah Shir ancestory but the muddy coloration and gangly, flat features is more a result of rampant cross-breeding.</p><p>Why was the design decision made to have a rather ugly crossbreed race of cat man as opposed to a much more attractive and much cooler looking Vah Shir race?  I can't tell you; but I think it was a bad one.</p><p> I do hope the skeletal revamp allows for greater body customization like other games have.  Then maybe people can make their kerrans a bit more buff looking and un-squash the faces a little.</p>

[Grol]

<cite>Sulan@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote>Also People fail to consider that Kerran in EQ1 had launch graphics and Van Shir were the introduced at the same time as the graphical model upgrade in EQ1 and if you look at the difference in graphics the only significant difference between the Van Shir and Kerran graphics in EQ1 is that Van Shir get shirts and pants.  And then EQ2 Kerran look pretty much exactly like the Van Shir only with options for facial ornaments.  So no theres no Van Shir race coming or Van Shir looking alternate models because their already here. Get. Over. It.  Theres only so much you can do with Cat people for pete's sake you either get what EQ2 has or Catgirls from FFXI.edit: and for the record Van Shir were just a geographically isolated subspecies of Kerran in the first place who got teleported to the moon, which is why they were so easily able to interbreed post Luclin Kaboom.</blockquote><p>Haha!  The EQ2 Kerrans certainly do not look just like the Vah Shir!  Not even close.</p><p>There were considerable differences between Kerrans and Vah Shir, as well as the Kejekans.  The Vah Shir breeds were the nobility of the cat races of Odus.  If you look at them, they are the lions, tigers, and leopards of the cat races.  The Kerrans seem to be more of the lynx/bobcat variety and the Kejekans were more mountain lion in nature. Racially, the Vah Shir were larger and more powerfully built than the Kerrans and Kejekans.</p><p>The current race of Kerran is really just a hodge podge tomcat breed of Vah Shir, Kerran, and Kejekan all intermingled.  The height factor is definitely a result of the Vah Shir ancestory but the muddy coloration and gangly, flat features is more a result of rampant cross-breeding.</p><p>Why was the design decision made to have a rather ugly crossbreed race of cat man as opposed to a much more attractive and much cooler looking Vah Shir race?  I can't tell you; but I think it was a bad one.</p><p> I do hope the skeletal revamp allows for greater body customization like other games have.  Then maybe people can make their kerrans a bit more buff looking and un-squash the faces a little.</p></blockquote><p>If you are good with the tools, you can make a very feline Kerran. Or one that looks more like a teddy bear.. either way... generally I find them to look at least vaguely feline, which is good. </p><p>If you like I can do my best later on today to make a cat-like kerran, and show you.</p>

[Iceyx]

They seem pretty different to me.  Vah shir were 10X better looking than kerrans. I doubt it has much to do with crossbreeding and lore, they are just ugly by default.  She looks like the grinch<img src="http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg156/Sethisto/compare.jpg" border="0" alt="" />

[mellowknees72]

<cite>Kanesh_The_Mad wrote:</cite><blockquote>Vah Shir and Kerrans are NOT the same. The Vah Shir were from Luclin, the Kerrans were an island race, can't remember where atm. Actually in EQ1 you could find them, fight them, etc, and they were taller and lankier, so the models are correct.I do miss my old Vah Shir SHammy and his Drog though.. man.. wish they'd bring drogs back. That's like the top thing on my wish list.</blockquote><p>Kerrans were around the Odus continent.  There were a bunch of "Kerran Fisherman" right outside of the boat that led to Gunthak in EQ1. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Aurumn]

Wow, those kerrans on the left have really flat noses. If you tinker with the settings you can get much less... well "human" looking results with the noses. The females in particular will end up looking rather like a teddy bear IMO, but the males end up looking quite feline to me. They still won't have the long snout of the EQ1 screenshots on the right, but still more pronounced than the shot on the left.

[Rainmare]

if you were to take the Vah shir of eq and put them in Eq2, they'd basically have the build of a barbarian, with a tail and a distinctively feline head. it's not that hard. oh and claws.these 'kerrans' look horrible. they are too lanky, thier faces are smashed in, and their ears are more like a mouse then a feline. They have NONE of the feline predatory feel that the Vah Shir had. they are a weak mockery. I wouldn't trust a kerran to be able to kill a klicknik beetle, much less a gnoll.

[Arianah]

Oye... I wish I had this story written up but I've only got the screenshots of the book atm.(Long story short: )One of the Kerran leaders chose the best of each Kerran tribe, to form a new tribe. They moved away from the other Kerrans and built their own palace.The Erudites moved to Odus. The Erudites began to have a civil war. As a result of this war, the Erudites managed to blow up a significant portion of the land (the Kerran palace was on this land), which made it all the way to Luclin. There, the new clan made their home. Luclin was much harsher lands than they were used to, so they physically evolved, over time, into the Vah Shir, to survive in their new home.So yes, Vah Shir are technically Kerran, but the Kerran that remained on Norrath are not Vah Shir - and hence, wouldn't look like them.Since Lulcin has exploded, there <i>might</i> be some Vah Shir scattered across Norrath, but the race is too rare to be a playable race that would make any sense.

[Iceyx]

Cat people are cat people really.. I'm looking for an alternate model to look like a Vah shir, not play a Vah shir.  I couldn't care less about space cats vs island cats.  Their lore is wacked out anyhow, as is most fantasy lore.  Why not throw in another cat race from the center of the earth, or one from the bottom of the ocean.   Anything would probably look better than kerrans.

[Wildmage]

<cite>Iceyx wrote:</cite><blockquote>They seem pretty different to me.  Vah shir were 10X better looking than kerrans. I doubt it has much to do with crossbreeding and lore, they are just ugly by default.  She looks like the grinch<img src="http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg156/Sethisto/compare.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></blockquote>or one could try posting a non sabotaged deformed EQ2 Kerran like so...<img src="http://fc05.deviantart.com/fs29/f/2008/050/6/5/Kerra_Scrap_by_Malbi88.jpg" alt="" border="0" />Frankly I still see the EQ2 kerra as looking like graphical upgrades of the Van Shir with slightly more realistic Anthropomorphic proportions.

[Cusashorn]

Seriously, that pic of the two kerrans are from back when EQ2 was still in it's Alpha stage.

[Shaylok]

Kinda off the subject but on the same note as this topic, would like to add that the frogloks looked much better in EQ1 as well.  They were so cute they were kissably cute.  Now they look like clumsy, ugly toads with disproportionately large heads.  Wish they had kept the old model.

[Rainmare]

now take that white tiger kerran and take a picture from the side, and then tell me his face don't look like someone ran it into a brick wall until they flattened it.his ears belong on a teddy bear, not a feline humanoid.the vah shir/kerran interbreed race is supposedly to be at the same strength levels as a barbarian, maybe a bit more. yet they have the build of an average human. combined with thier tall frame, they look lanky and thin. particularly the female model.thier claws are all but non-existant.his face looks flabby. not exactly a 'predatory' look to it at all. looks more like he's spent too much time with the halflings.the kerran of eq2 looks like they took eq1 kerran model, put it on a troll body, and then gave it a visual 'upgrade'. problem is Kerran of Eq1 look absolutely horrendous to begin with.unless in the lore the Kerrans of Kerra Isle had a MUCH bigger area of control then that little fishing village on Kerra Isle and the island in Odus crossing...then it seems the Vah Shir subspeices was probably 2 or 3 times thier number. you'd think the 'old kerran' would just get bred out until the Vah Shir look/genetic traits would be so dominant that there might as well not be a 'kerran', and simply be a vah shir with a new fur pattern not found on Luclin.I think most people that played EQ1 when they saw EQ2 having 'Kerrans' did what I did. though it was going to be a Vah Shir in EQ2 graphics. that the Vah Shir would still be around and be the dominant/leading clan.instead we got a feline version of a troll.

[Aurumn]

I just took a look at the <a href="http://nationalzoo.si.edu/Animals/PhotoGallery/GreatCats/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Great Cats photo gallery on the Smithsonian website</a>. IMO the ears are a bit smallish perhaps, but the shape is actually pretty realistic. Sure they could adjust the models to deviate a bit more from the human profile (especially since the sarnak models prove that is doable now), but I can't see how the current kerrans resemble furry trolls. The male kerran model, IMO, is pretty good. The female could use work, though. I that model make the teddy bear effect much more pronounced. The female great cats simply don't deviate from the male build as much as is shown in the kerran models.

[Arianah]

The Kerran and the Vah Shir never had the same body build. Sure, the Vah Shir were probably as strong and closer in physique to the barbarians, but the Kerrans were not. I would say the Kerran's are closer in build to the Humans, judging from the updated EQ1 graphic.And just because one Kerran tribe got "moved" to Luclin in the explosion doesn't mean they all did, or the rest just died off. The other Kerran tribes remained on Norrath to continue their normal lives.<a rel="nofollow" href="http://myrist.nsaguild.com/eq2/index.php?content=hkerra.php" target="_blank">History of the Kerra</a>Though I agree the Kerrans of EQ2 don't look <i>quite</i> right, they're not going to arbitrarily make them look like the Vah Shir instead just because, unlike some games, EverQuest and EverQuest II actually have lore, history, a story, rhyme and reason - which I really enjoy about the games.Here are some screenshots of the EQ1 Kerrans, including a new model that came out with the release of TBS (The Buried Sea):<img src="http://common.allakhazam.com/images/i/d/id8829.png" border="0" alt="" /> <img src="http://common.allakhazam.com/images/i/d/id24609.png" alt="" border="0" /><img src="http://common.allakhazam.com/images/i/d/id3737.png" alt="" border="0" /> <img src="http://common.allakhazam.com/images/i/d/id24608.png" border="0" alt="" />And <a rel="nofollow" href="http://myrist.nsaguild.com/eq/index.php?content=vahshir.php" target="_blank">here's</a> a picture of the Vah Shir. They look similar, but the Kerrans are not quite as buff...

[Iceyx]

What ever happened to bikinis/ +10 armor per square inch of skin showing on the females? XDor fur I guessnot that im furry

[Grol]

Maybe they could add a kerran 'alternate appearance' that looks lik he Vah Shir...

[re1master]

I encourage Sony's continued war against furries.  Second life was already invaded, now is time to prepare our defenses against them.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Kanesh_The_Mad wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maybe they could add a kerran 'alternate appearance' that looks lik he Vah Shir...</blockquote>You mean like how they do now? Just face it, They arn't gonna do that. Just accept what kind of genetic freaks you people have become.

[Rainmare]

and even the kerrans in their new model certainly don't have their faces smashed in.my comment about the present kerran being a furry troll is that they are hideously ugly, like a troll. they just have fur.thier faces are smashed in, thier ears are too small, they all apparently got declawed, and thier build is more like an erudite (considering thier height) then a human or a barb.a race that is supposed to be so powerful and agile and graceful...they simply don't look it.I admitted already I wanted a vah shir model type.because the vah shir had the build of a barb, a full feline face with ears to match, they had claws. they looked powerful, and still kept that aura of feline grace and fluid movement. they looked dangerous, they looked predatory.these kerrans we got look like someone put a housecat on the Rack and stretched it to troll height after beating it's face in with a book.

[TaleraRis]

I don't think those pictures do the current Kerran look justice. I was able to make quite a fluffy looking female. I just popped into game to try my hand at making one as close to the Myrist Vah Shir picture that I could get. Here's the front view:<img src="http://taleraris.homestead.com/files/KittyFront.jpg" alt="" border="0" />And here's a side view:<img src="http://taleraris.homestead.com/files/KittySide.jpg" border="0" alt="" />

[Arslan2000]

Finally someone sees what I do.  I agree that the EQ2 Kerrans need a revamp.  EQ1 Vah SHir look so much better.  As for the Kerran at the bottom, it looks ok, but in this game, ok is barely cutting it.  It still looks more human and the face looks very fat to me. 

[Arslan2000]

<cite>Alexander@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I encourage Sony's continued war against furries.  Second life was already invaded, now is time to prepare our defenses against them.</p></blockquote><p>This from someone with a Sarnak avatar.  Furry, scaley, it is all the same. </p><p>And please lets not compare the population of Second Life to EQ2.  As a lover of the anthropormorphic races, I share nothing else with some of the wierder furry community.  </p>

[Arslan2000]

<p>TaleraRis, I hate to say this but that is hideous.  </p><p>Before you respond, I will concede that to each their own.  </p><p>I do hope they get a revamp though.  </p>

[Grol]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kanesh_The_Mad wrote:</cite><blockquote>Maybe they could add a kerran 'alternate appearance' that looks lik he Vah Shir...</blockquote>You mean like how they do now? Just face it, They arn't gonna do that. Just accept what kind of genetic freaks you people have become.</blockquote><p>Unless I'm missing some file I don't have any alternate appearance for Kerrans, mate...</p><p>Besides, I'm not a kerran usually</p>

[Kitsune286]

/incoming grammar policeIt's Vah'Shir, and Kerra. NOT Kerran. They speak Kerran, but if you do a /who on a Kerra player, it says , "Kerra."/end grammar policeFrom the lore as I understand it...Portal between the moon and Norrath opens,Vah'Shir go through it and meet the then-Kerra,Moon explodes,The Vah'Shir on Norrath mate with the Kerra,And after x amount of years, you have what I would call, the Vah'Kerra, because the blood is now a mix.Thats why you can't have pure Vah'Shir. There wouldn't have been enough of them to maintain pure bloodlines. And they are not snooty High Elves who craze themselves with purity of the bloodlines.Now, as for current Kerra models, I think they look alittle block-ish on the males (very square chested). Male Kerra heads also look kinda box-ish, not a well-defined muzzle.  Females look better in the face/muzzle area, but the breasts are a bit 'sloped' compared to all the other humanoid races, save Ratonga. Note: Please excuse the Grammar Police. They have gotten used to the mis-term "Kerran", but c'mon, even when you make a new Kerra character, I'm pretty sure it says "Kerra (Class). <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Grol]

<cite>Kittsune@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>/incoming grammar policeIt's Vah'Shir, and Kerra. NOT Kerran. They speak Kerran, but if you do a /who on a Kerra player, it says , "Kerra."/end grammar policeFrom the lore as I understand it...Portal between the moon and Norrath opens,Vah'Shir go through it and meet the then-Kerra,Moon explodes,The Vah'Shir on Norrath mate with the Kerra,And after x amount of years, you have what I would call, the Vah'Kerra, because the blood is now a mix.Thats why you can't have pure Vah'Shir. There wouldn't have been enough of them to maintain pure bloodlines. And they are not snooty High Elves who craze themselves with purity of the bloodlines.Now, as for current Kerra models, I think they look alittle block-ish on the males (very square chested). Male Kerra heads also look kinda box-ish, not a well-defined muzzle.  Females look better in the face/muzzle area, but the breasts are a bit 'sloped' compared to all the other humanoid races, save Ratonga. Note: Please excuse the Grammar Police. They have gotten used to the mis-term "Kerran", but c'mon, even when you make a new Kerra character, I'm pretty sure it says "Kerra (Class). <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>It's Kerran. Look at the EQ1 screenshots above, and it says  'A kerran (insert type here)'. SO it's Kerran.</p><p>And I personally am just too lazy to type Vah'Shir. It's way outta my normal typing range..like.. a whole two keys!</p>

[Aenashi]

*squeeks*  If my plan succeeds, there will be NO MORE Kerran's out there ><  Ratongas for life! <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />WHISKERS 08!

[Kitsune286]

<cite>Kanesh_The_Mad wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kittsune@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>/incoming grammar policeIt's Vah'Shir, and Kerra. NOT Kerran. They speak Kerran, but if you do a /who on a Kerra player, it says , "Kerra."/end grammar policeFrom the lore as I understand it...Portal between the moon and Norrath opens,Vah'Shir go through it and meet the then-Kerra,Moon explodes,The Vah'Shir on Norrath mate with the Kerra,And after x amount of years, you have what I would call, the Vah'Kerra, because the blood is now a mix.Thats why you can't have pure Vah'Shir. There wouldn't have been enough of them to maintain pure bloodlines. And they are not snooty High Elves who craze themselves with purity of the bloodlines.Now, as for current Kerra models, I think they look alittle block-ish on the males (very square chested). Male Kerra heads also look kinda box-ish, not a well-defined muzzle.  Females look better in the face/muzzle area, but the breasts are a bit 'sloped' compared to all the other humanoid races, save Ratonga. Note: Please excuse the Grammar Police. They have gotten used to the mis-term "Kerran", but c'mon, even when you make a new Kerra character, I'm pretty sure it says "Kerra (Class). <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>It's Kerran. Look at the EQ1 screenshots above, and it says  'A kerran (insert type here)'. SO it's Kerran.</p><p>And I personally am just too lazy to type Vah'Shir. It's way outta my normal typing range..like.. a whole two keys!</p></blockquote>Could be one of those funny English things having to do with.. English rules. (i.e, the corpse loot, "A Kerran Doll", or the house item, "A Kerran Chair&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> , but I betcha anything , the main eq2 sites say Kerra, in-game a %r (race) would say Kerra, and so would /who player. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Arianah]

I think Kerra is the singular (?) word, and Kerran the plural... as in, the Kerran Race, or the Race of the Kerra. I dunno, Kerran just sounds right *shrug*The history book says "History of the Kerra"...And never have I seen "Vah'Shir" used, I have always seen Vah Shir, without the 'But we're getting off topic now lol.I finished typing up the The Prophecy of Vah: A History of the Vah Shir book from EQ1, but since this thread is about the Kerran models I think it would be off topic to post it here...

[Kitsune286]

Perhaps it doesn't have the ' . I'm not perfect. (Shh!)There is a tome collection from Forsaken City, "The History of the Vah'Shir, Volume X", where X is a number. I've spotted 3 i think, but never finished any of them. =(

[Grol]

<cite>Kittsune@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kanesh_The_Mad wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kittsune@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>/incoming grammar policeIt's Vah'Shir, and Kerra. NOT Kerran. They speak Kerran, but if you do a /who on a Kerra player, it says , "Kerra."/end grammar policeFrom the lore as I understand it...Portal between the moon and Norrath opens,Vah'Shir go through it and meet the then-Kerra,Moon explodes,The Vah'Shir on Norrath mate with the Kerra,And after x amount of years, you have what I would call, the Vah'Kerra, because the blood is now a mix.Thats why you can't have pure Vah'Shir. There wouldn't have been enough of them to maintain pure bloodlines. And they are not snooty High Elves who craze themselves with purity of the bloodlines.Now, as for current Kerra models, I think they look alittle block-ish on the males (very square chested). Male Kerra heads also look kinda box-ish, not a well-defined muzzle.  Females look better in the face/muzzle area, but the breasts are a bit 'sloped' compared to all the other humanoid races, save Ratonga. Note: Please excuse the Grammar Police. They have gotten used to the mis-term "Kerran", but c'mon, even when you make a new Kerra character, I'm pretty sure it says "Kerra (Class). <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>It's Kerran. Look at the EQ1 screenshots above, and it says  'A kerran (insert type here)'. SO it's Kerran.</p><p>And I personally am just too lazy to type Vah'Shir. It's way outta my normal typing range..like.. a whole two keys!</p></blockquote>Could be one of those funny English things having to do with.. English rules. (i.e, the corpse loot, "A Kerran Doll", or the house item, "A Kerran Chair"<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> , but I betcha anything , the main eq2 sites say Kerra, in-game a %r (race) would say Kerra, and so would /who player. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />I'm going to log in to find out now <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   But it <i>would</i> seem that the race is Kerra, and the reference to something that is of 'Kerra' (I know makes no sense) would be <b>Kerran</b>. I think I misunderstood earlier, thinking you meant the reference would be Kerra and not Kerran. Sowwy!</blockquote>

[Grol]

<p>The results of my quick tests..</p><p>Character Creation: Kerra</p><p>%R: Kerran</p><p> /who (my test kitty name) : Kerra</p><p>So it would seem the race is<b>  a</b>  Kerra. But plural is Kerra<b>ns</b>, and reference is <b>'a kerran dirge'</b>  and such. Kerra only seems to make sense for singular reference of the race in it's entirety.</p>

[Aenashi]

It doesnt matter, soon they will be singular because my ratonga will have killed them all but one.  And that one will be the slave of the ratonga til its death and it will be laughed at forever as a joke of a race compared to the mighty Ratonga!!WHISKERS 08 <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kitsune286]

Interesting. Ah well, half right =)And <span style="color: #000000;"><span class="genmed">Agony</span></span> , my Ratonga and Kerra get along just fine. =pEdit: Silly typo

[Aenashi]

<cite>Kittsune@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Interesting. Ah well, half right =)And bunnyhater, my Ratonga and Kerra get along just fine. =p</blockquote>Maybe i shall select your Kerra for the slave <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> 

[Aenashi]

BTW, this is what i do to Vahshir's<img src="http://www.mediastorehouse.com/pictures_646312/Cat-and-Rat-together.jpg" alt="" border="0" />hump their heads!!! GO RATONGAS!!!