Pally Epic (fabled version)

[Beebl]

<p>I'm not a raider. So for me the fabled version of the epic is as far as I will get with my epic. I finished up my epic today (fabled). I was so happy to see it. I saw the +33% of wis added to spells and heals. I would not wait to test it out and see it in action. I thought, this will add a little bump in my dps. I was wrong. Im guessing who ever designed this did not notice that we only have a few damage spells. The rest are Combat arts and the proc does not help combat arts damage. So basiclly this weapon is just stats with the proc adding a little bit to 2 of my attacks. Not a very good weapon in this state.</p><p>Any chance of getting the proc to include combat arts damage? </p>

[Gwarsh]

<p>first off, let me say i originally hated this weapon, then i started to look at the possibilites and thought, this will reduce the loss of dps from my defensive stance, maybe i should give it a chance...</p><p>i spent several minutes casting wards on myself trying to get the weapon to proc. when it did i opened inspect windows on all my spell based attacks. the only spells that i saw any effect on were refusal of atonement and judgementand consecration.  it seems circle of conviction is treated as a combat art.. since its a CA can i please cast it while moving? it also does not apear to effect castigate, nor does it effect the glorious strike proc on break will, or righteos weapon, nor does it effect the divine strike proc on our call to redemption group buff...</p><p>all in all the effect of valor of marr is pretty weak. otherwise the weapon is pretty nice, i'll have to see how well i parse with something like a nathsar shortsword before i pass final judgement, but so far, i really hope they do something with this proc.. its really truly pathetic imho... </p>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<p>it's procing when Call to Redemption or Righteous Weapon procs...</p><p>maybe avenging invigoration might help with more damage, i spec'd wis/sta for fear immunity and DA, doing str now, so might improve the dps a bit if the spells that it boosts are up quicker in combination of upping the trigger chance with AA in righteous weapon and call to redemption...</p>

[Gwarsh]

<cite>Garthan@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>it's procing when Call to Redemption or Righteous Weapon procs...</p><p>maybe avenging invigoration might help with more damage, i spec'd wis/sta for fear immunity and DA, doing str now, so might improve the dps a bit if the spells that it boosts are up quicker in combination of upping the trigger chance with AA in righteous weapon and call to redemption...</p></blockquote><p>many things can cause the effect to go off, what i'm saying is that the effect only changes the damage of a very few of our attacks, you arent going to see much if any increase in your dps, no matter what your  wis is.</p><p>check it out for yourself if you dont believe me, just open an inspect window on any of your spell based attacks when the sword's proc is in effect, you will see the adjusted damage, when the proc wears off, mouse over that same attack and compare the difference in damage, i assure you that you will be underwhelmed....</p>

[Gwarsh]

<p>and... it looks like i'm not the only person who has noticed this</p><p><a href="http://www.eq2flames.com/paladins/20975-spell-s-benefit-marr-s-favor.html" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://www.eq2flames.com/paladins/2...rr-s-favor.html</a></p>

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

<cite>Gwarsh@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Garthan@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>it's procing when Call to Redemption or Righteous Weapon procs...</p><p>maybe avenging invigoration might help with more damage, i spec'd wis/sta for fear immunity and DA, doing str now, so might improve the dps a bit if the spells that it boosts are up quicker in combination of upping the trigger chance with AA in righteous weapon and call to redemption...</p></blockquote><p>many things can cause the effect to go off, what i'm saying is that the effect only changes the damage of a very few of our attacks, you arent going to see much if any increase in your dps, no matter what your  wis is.</p><p>check it out for yourself if you dont believe me, just open an inspect window on any of your spell based attacks when the sword's proc is in effect, you will see the adjusted damage, when the proc wears off, mouse over that same attack and compare the difference in damage, i assure you that you will be underwhelmed....</p></blockquote><p>i've been watching my parse since i got this weapon, while it's increased some, it's nothing stellar, i do agree that the proc on it isn't really as helpful as it may sound...</p><p>i'm willing to see if perhaps maybe getting the reduction in casting/reuse timers with the end ability of the str line will help, but as it stands right now, i have a feeling it won't do much</p><p>if this weapon increased any combat art that did divine damage, then it could possibly be a pretty decent addition, but not affecting melee combat arts, and not affecting some spells that it should since they're categorized as spells, it really isn't a whole lot to get excited over...</p><p>after looking at that thread, it seems that it's capping out on people too, which really, the small amount that it will increase stuff by on some things really should ignore the caps for it to be of any use...</p><p>overall to help this weapon be useful more than it is, it should affect more combat arts/spells than it does now....i generally have pretty high wisdom, but if it's capping then there's no real benefit to having a high wisdom to begin with...</p>

[Tames]

<p>As far as I know there have been no official responses to any of our posts (apart from bannings and post deletions) on diff forums on Pally Epic either Fabled or Mythical yet. Looks like a case of massive indifference, not even a timeframe for change. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>The design flaws are easy to point out so it cant be an issue of it being too subtle....</p><p>/crickets</p>

[Tames]

<p>GU43 on test doesnt indicate any progress on this, or indeed anything specifically Pally related. Although they are making epic mobs harder to hit, requiring more debuffs and higher skill levels (Battle Leadership anyone?).</p><p>So in terms of fixing the proc and giving us Block it looks like waiting months till the next GU, if they are thinking about it at all <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/1069449046bcd664c21db15b1dfedaee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[motogp]

The weapon is not going to be changed in anyway. That weapon is how SOE sees their character Paladin. To make the weapon like the Guard weapon would mean they have 4 plate tank classes that are all alike. To keep them different they had to make the Paladin weapon a lesser tank item. I wonder what the guardians would have done if we got there Mythical and they got ours? Ill bet a hot fix would have been done asap.    The Paladins got the crappy weapon.  And no one gives a crap.

[VerdicAysen]

Moto is right. Let's just set aside the fact for a moment that the Epic should have still been the Fiery Avenger. But to take a class down a combat art riddled path throughout development then throw us an epic weapon that focus' on spell casting is an insult to the time we put into our characters. I don't know whose writing the Lore for this stuff, but Lucan should have been dead after the 2,231,234th Paladin killed him for the original EQ1 Epic. And Fiery Avenger made a very complimentable Paladin Epic. So did Defender. Once again, as much focus is put on balance and lore by representatives, little of it remains to be seen as truth.

[Tames]

<p>Although they havent said anything on official forums Devs said in a live chat session that they are looking at reworking Epics, what that means exactly no one knows.</p><p>There has been absolutely no Dev comment on SOE boards about our epic despite the considerable discussion and outrage.</p><p>We havent fallen into a chasm between what is said and what is done, because nothing has been said...</p><p>/crickets</p>

[Tames]

Considerring 90% of pally's wont be seeing VP this expansion getting the fabled fixed is just as important as the mythical, It would be good to hear something/anything on the official boards about it.

[Madbiker]

id say you have closer to 5 non AA spell attacks