Want to Buy A real Swashbuckler Dev

[HamishZA]

<p>I just logged on this morning and got my first look at the Mythical (you're kidding right ?) version of Charm's Way</p><p>let's see now, the weapon itself looks pretty promising but then you go and kick us all in the balls with the effects</p><p>fist 10% extra to my combat arts, in all not too bad, but CA's account for less that 40% of my damage in a zone (still doesn't make it mythical)</p><p>then the damage proc with an <b>extra</b> 8% hate transfer, wow really ? imagine that a whole 8% more putting me back at 27% transfered , which is exaclty where i was 6 months ago when you nerfed the crap out of my hate transfer, you're too kind , take the 8 % and shove it up your [I cannot control my vocabulary], or if you are going to saddle me with it make it a permanent effect on equip </p><p>traumatic swipe reduces spell damage by 10% ? YAY this is exactly what i wanted on a mythical weapon? this has got to be the most idiotic effect on any of the mythical weapons, other folks get raid wide short term buffs , free pets, group wide haste, and you give us this garbage, you would have been doing us a bigger favor giving us extra sleight of hand immunity reduction</p><p>Thanks a lot for making this POS weapon as crap as possible </p>

[Rippitt]

The 10% ca damage is better than it sounds compared to our rogue counterpart. Their damage is boosted only on long recast ca, ours is boosted on everything.The DoT based proc is a little annoying but with that much up front damage and relatively short total duration it will also perform pretty well, we're not talking about poisons here with a 5.0/min proc rate. It will be very nice for getting that full damage out there on aoe encounters without stepping our dicks 'too much' on the single targets8% extra hate pass is very nice, and being a 12s proc will be more than enough to keep it up literally all the time.The third effect though, completely agree. It needs to be a much more noticable reduction (30-50%) or changed to something that effects our entire spectrum of debuffs.

[HamishZA]

<p>I'd offter alternatives if i thought it would help, hell I would even offer to do the job for free</p><p>I would probably make it overpowered, but hey it's supposed to be a MYTHICAL weapon</p>

[SidneyLePoilu]

WOW, you must be fun to live with <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Reading your rants made me laugh more than it made me feel bad for swashs ... It would have been better if you had just shut up and swallowed the fat pill we're all taking .. and if you can't go play another game

[Ookami-san]

<cite>Cathey@Storms wrote:</cite><blockquote>WOW, you must be fun to live with <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />Reading your rants made me laugh more than it made me feel bad for swashs ... It would have been better if you had just shut up and swallowed the fat pill we're all taking .. and if you can't go play another game</blockquote><p>Yes... because you seem like you'd be so much better to live with... <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>I agree that we got the short end of the stick with Sleight of Hand (completely worthless), our fabled set bonus (even MORE worthless) and now our epic.</p><p>Here's what I would have liked to see:</p><p>* 25% boost to all CAs - our CA damage is only 40% of our overall zw anyway</p><p>* Screw Traumatic Swipe - give me raidwide Advance Warning - or Advance Warning for 30 seconds instead - that's useful utility</p><p>* 15% increase to hate transfer - we'd be included in EVERY raid, in the MT group - again, useful utilty</p><p>* Special ability that turns sleight of hand into a more useful ability - like a transfer of 25% of hate from all group members to the target</p><p>This expansion has completely screwed swashbucklers and I would like to find a DEV who actually represents our class - AND knows what the hell he/she is talking about.</p>

[HamishZA]

<p>So your answer is shut up and be unhappy ?</p><p>yeah right, then nothing happens and nothing gets improved at least now they know there is one unhappy ego maniac out here</p><p>you want to sit and eat it, go right ahead</p>

[Hakthaf]

Gonna be some interesting questions and people showing up to fan faire, with crap like this heh. Fable sucks, sleight of hand not worked like description ever, not even in beta. And our epics just dont add up. I know the brigand isnt much better, but at least 10percent increase to their debuffs does something with dispatched. Not all swash take traumatic, hell some raids hate it cause it royally screws with joust timers. So now the mythical forces you to get that AA if you want the full weapon effect <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/385970365b8ed7503b4294502a458efa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />. Kind of glad im not a hardcore raider, would be rather disapointing to get this when viewing other scouts epics, bards got awsome raid wide stuff, rangers got that [I cannot control my vocabulary] powerful bow, assassins got a 15percent proc DA *not actuall DA another proc check*. Come on something has to be better thought of than our effects.

[Trojenn]

<p>I would have to agree that praticaly every proc on the weapon sucks.. Yeah the stats arn't that bad.</p><p>10% to all CA's lets do some math.</p><p>.10 x 1500 = 150, so what your saying we get an extra 150 pod to this attack... wow... thats amazing, not !!</p><p>and coming from previouse column.. with 8% hate transfer all you doing is giving back what you took from us in the beggining (xplains why they took it hmm)</p><p>and Traumatic Swipe... I  realy do not want to touch that.. but,</p><p>OK yeah woohoo we get a 10% decrease to enemys spells, ok again some math.</p><p>Mob> 21000 crush X .10 = 2100, Ok correct me if i am wrong regen heals overload heals and MT grp heals going off would you even notice the difference hell i think not besides the hit rate on the T8 Raid Mobs are rediculous it only has about a 15% chance of hitting anyways.</p><p>And the dot, well lets just say how many of the RoK raid mobs are multi encounter mobs.. thats what i thought..</p><p>What i would like to see is a temp buff that Boosts our hit rates. Or like precviouse mention Raid wide Advance Warning or grp wide Insight/Perfect Finesse or something.. Something that is usefull. </p><p>IMO We got screwed over hardcore in this expansion.. Swashbucklers used to be kick [I cannot control my vocabulary] and a much needed/wanted class but we get the point.</p><p>SOE I would realy like to see some change.. you are going to lose alot of dedicated players do to the recent nerfs you have done to certain classes. Hopefully you will take this into consideration b4 i myself want to quit.</p>

[Rippitt]

Ok, let me lay this out for you real clear:Any swashbuckler worth a is still parsing higher than all the other scouts in his raid, at the same time bringing the most utility. So yeah, we're still horrendously overpowered even if our epic gave us increased hail of steel duration.

[Trojenn]

<p>Then Sony needs to drop the mythical tag off it and make it fabled..</p><p>That is nothing more than a Disgrace to mythical weapon .. Hell the Pally's and Guard weapons are what i would call mythical... Buckler Reversal line and still use a towershield... Give swashis the abilitie to DW and still use the Wisdom Line.. now that would be sick.</p><p>But your right any decent Swash should be out parsing any scout in raid on almost if not every pull. IMO i do not think we are overpowered but don't give us a POS weapon and call it Raid Epic Mythical. </p>

[Rippitt]

It has one effect that's a POS. The 10% ca damage is alot better than 30% on back attacks only (brigs have what 4?), The proc makes for substantial damage and a huge amount of extra hate going to your tank. You guys talk about the 'nerf' to hate stuff a few months ago like it was directed at us. Every class got hit with it, it was too easy like that anyway, so they've made it easy again. I'm glad we are now the only class that has a decent hate transfer again. (how it should be imo) Again with the third effect, it could encompass combat arts as well and be a 25% decrease in damage, now that would be acceptable.Edit:  Show me a swashbuckler worth a flying [Removed for Content] that doesn't have traumatic swipe or a raid leader that thinks it's too hard to compensate for (act does it automatically) and would rather have his raid taking 50% more ae damage.... who are you kidding?

[SmCaudata]

<cite>Rippitt@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, let me lay this out for you real clear: Any swashbuckler worth a [I cannot control my vocabulary] is still parsing higher than all the other scouts in his raid, at the same time bringing the most utility. So yeah, we're still horrendously overpowered even if our epic gave us increased hail of steel duration.</blockquote>Guards were far and away the best Raid MT... and they still got an uber weapon.  So your argument doesn't hold water.  And brigands debuff mob defenses to crippling levels all by themselves and they got an INCREASE to that ability.The weapon is poorly designed and the effects were an afterthought.  So they didn't want to give us DPS.  Make our hate transfer a static mod.  Make traumatic swipe decrease ALL damage output by 10% not just spells.  Make Advanced Warning raid wide.  Make all our offensive debuffs 30% more powerful, thus giving us the ability to completely cripple the mob all by our lonesome when split tanking.  There are a lot of things they COULD have done that wouldn't increase our DPS but would increase our raid utility... Instead we got crap because there is not a swasbuckler Dev and they didn't listen to our opinions.Oh, and the assassin weapon isn't a 15% chance to DA... it is a 15% chance to FLURRY... 3-5 attacks from what I hear.Face it, our weapon was poorly designed.  Not only in effect, but the graphics...  The particle effect looks like a graphic glitch.  Stop the spinning blade and make the particle effect spin or something.. looks funny now. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Meinen]

<cite>Rippitt@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok, let me lay this out for you real clear:Any swashbuckler worth a [I cannot control my vocabulary] is still parsing higher than all the other scouts in his raid, at the same time bringing the most utility. So yeah, we're still horrendously overpowered even if our epic gave us increased hail of steel duration.</blockquote><p>actually thats not true, if we are parsing higher then anyone else on a raid, its cause the assassins, rangers and all the other dps that suck or being lazy.  They <b><i>should</i></b>  be parsing higher then we do.  Our dps is not all that phenomenal, we are supposed to parse 3rd or 4th on the list, not 1st everytime.  We do cause 1) we have better buff from the raid group we are in.  2) the other dps classes suck and don't know their toon.  3)See 2</p><p>As far as our Charm's Way, are you really that suprised that SoE did them like this?  I wouldn't expect them to be truly mythical considering how fast people got their mythical weapons already.  I understand the disappointment with our epic, but having played this game from release, don't expect to see any decent revisions of it anytime soon, if ever.  I am not saying you shouldn't complain about it, by all means [Removed for Content] all ya want.  Just as long as you realize that other then a rant, its not going to change their minds to put the bulbous end of a thick stick up our [Removed for Content].  I will probably use Throatripper and Empowered Talon of Milyex<b> </b>over my swash epic.  I am really disappointed with the looks of it...I was fully expecting the mythical to have a roasting chicken with flames like on SoD weapons.  </p>

[Rippitt]

Believe me I know what a good assassin parses like, they can stomp me any time they please. Look at the zonewide damage, look at our sustained AoE dps compared to any other class including conj/warlock - we are doing quite well. Complaining that assassins got a better weapon than us for DPS is the stupidest argument I've ever heard. Our comparison should be with the brigands. For damage, our 10% to all CA will probably be more beneficial to their 30% to rear based CA. For procs, they got something they needed badly (a way to boost their haste or dpsmod before receiving any buffs, just like the assassin/ranger/swash can). We probably got the better end of the deal on proc damage due to the DoT being a larger up front damage and acceptable duration (ie. not 24 seconds). We also got an increase to hate xfer% which is, at 12s and 3.0 ppm base, going to be a permanent buff if you have any idea how to raid, for the same reason that a 5.0/min proc rate on poison nets more like 15-25 ppm when we are raid buffed. Let's just do the simple math and say you do nothing but auto attack in a raid, and there are no extra mobs around you to grant a chance at procing the effect. 3.0 ppm w/ 75% haste (you should have more than this with bravado proc and a haste item alone) = ~5 ppm, 5 x 12 = 60 seconds of proc every minute. Still can't argue that the TS enhancement is worth a [Removed for Content] compared to theirs. At least it was something suited to our class, though it needs to be a little more noticeable, 25% reduction on spell/ca would be fantastic. BTW you didn't really think predator/rogue would get something to buff their group or raid? raid wide advanced warning? I'd delete my swashy.

[Ghalslayt]

The only things about this weapon that really cheeses me off are the procs.  Every other class so far has gotten something that makes them go OMG DOOD AWESOME.  We get a 10% reduction to magic damage that can be overridden by another rogues traumatic swipe.  The damage on this weapon is awesome, so are the bonuses to DA and Crit.  it really doesn't compare to any weapons dropped in terms of high end damage in the game.  The third proc on this weapon is about as useless as a +50 to hurricane. 

[Trojenn]

<p>Well isn't this fantastic.. Scroll up, this is supposed to be monitored by our Dev, has anyone seen a reply to this column... Nope, thats what i thought.. SoE does not give * about us. They are so wrapped up in making sure they keep customers but instead of helping us out they screw us over anyways....</p><p>Give us a Dev who actualy plays a swashbuckler AND READ THESE POSTS.</p>

[Arraza]

<p>I'm not gonna be all EMO and /wrists, but the reality is no matter how anyone defends this weapon in both fabled and mythical forms it is not a class defining, class inspiring weapon.</p><p>I agree the base damage is nice, but it stops about there.  Like everyone else has said the buffs are not good... I see other class mythics and say WOW that is awesome... ours is like.</p><p>From my POV this is just part of the overall shafting we have gotten with this expansion, between the SoH, armor sets, and now this epic.</p>

[Korwyn]

<p>I thought it was OK (not great) until I saw what others are getting.</p><p>Kilbane</p>

[Liral]

<cite>121 dirtybird wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Well isn't this fantastic.. Scroll up, this is supposed to be monitored by our Dev, has anyone seen a reply to this column... Nope, thats what i thought.. SoE does not give * about us. They are so wrapped up in making sure they keep customers but instead of helping us out they screw us over anyways....</p><p>Give us a Dev who actualy plays a swashbuckler AND READ THESE POSTS.</p></blockquote>Maybe if you all didn't act like spolied two year old brats and weren't constantly insulting and swearing at SOE employees you might get a response.

[Luk]

Personally I find the best way to get ignored and not have anything done is to personally attack the people who run and develop the game, way to go guys, another thread to add to the smartest threads of all time list

[Gnobrin]

<p>Due to the amount of profanity within this thread, it's locked.  You can voice a negative comment without vulgar language and you can easily do it with a healthy dose of constructive input, it's sad that this thread has been unable to.</p><p>~Gnobrin.</p>