Dear SoE, It isnt just "recent" changes

[Jesdyr]

Echgar said "<span class="postbody"> I understand some in the Coercer community are really upset with some of the recent changes to your class" (I know only a mod) But really  .. the recent Charm nerf is more like a straw that broke the camel's back. The class has been messed up for longer than I have been playing.It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure out that possession is not a class defining skill (in it's current form). Why would you have a class that is the best at STUNS do much of their DPS with reactive procs? Also PuppetMaster while fun at first needs to be fixed so that their death triggers said reactives when the puppets are killed in 1 shot. Why doesnt out Epic weapon has +Subj on it?Why are so many mobs not charmable?There are other issues and I am sure someone will post more .. but I just wanted to make sure it was clear that this little charm nerf is just another point in a long list. </span>

[Maroger]

<p>I started my coercer when the game first came out -- then it was so bad I quit for about 1 year and came back when I got a free month and have stayed ever since.</p><p>HOWEVER, my coercer is getting more unplayable with each GU(Aka nerf) that arrives on the scene. </p><p>They promise to fix out spells etc. but they never do anything but diminish and weaken the class. I doubt they even truly understand the problems we have. We are the weakest class in the game and get weaker ever time a GU comes out.</p><p>Our spells stink and are mostly useless, our charmed pets are now worse than useless and I have yet to see a Red name take the time or the courtesty to tell us if they have any "vision" for the class?? Actually I don't they do and I don't think they care.</p><p>Nerfing our charmed pets was inexcusable on top of the fact they haven't even bothered to offer an explanation. That is disgraceful and insulting to the class and its players in the bargain!! </p>

[Trepan]

Yes please, as a beleaguered class, we need some attention - a well written and thought out response to our concerns and issues.   Not a quick note thrown out by Aeralik (and no offense to A intended, I know he's busy as all get out) as he skims the boards about a single effect on a single item, but something serious and directed.A nice note stating where SoE sees the coercer class.  What THEY see our role as, what THEY see in the future for the class.  It has become pretty apparent that either 1)  We, the players of the class, have wandered far off the path imagined by SoE or 2)  There is NO path imagined by the group of developers reponsible for the class or 3)  The mechanics of the game have made it impossible to define or follow the path as originally intended for the class.If we have wandered off the path, it would help if we knew the path so that those of us dedicated to the class can try and re-align our expectations and do the best we can with what we have, or betray and get it over with.If there is NO path imagined and all we are is an unctuous checkbox on the development highlight spreadsheet, let us know and we'll delete our toons and possibly accounts and make that hardship go away for everyone.If there are difficulties with how our abilities can be implemented, please let us know and I'm CERTAIN there are at least a few of us who will cooperate constructively to try and come up with ideas that CAN be implemented that keep us on the course we've been trying to follow for 80 levels.Edit: Stupid figners.

[Obsidiann]

Hey, more!

[conor2k]

Well, I have been lurking for a very long time.. and since a mod actually must have read a thread or two (judging by the responses) I feel like now is a good time to voice my opinion.Let me first say I love being a coercer. I love the whole idea behind it and it's the class I can actually stick to and enjoy through the years.But sadly, I feel very neglected.. I know that I'm only 70 so I don't really know much about the class yet.. I learn new things about how to play my character everyday. I really hope someday you'll, as Trepan mentioned, at least address to us what you see our class as now, and what you see us as in the future.And like it's been stated before: It isn't just the pet nerf.I know you really probably don't care at all about my opinion but.. whatever. I just need to know if I should keep playing or not. Cause right now, I'm tempted to go on hiatus until the class gets fixed.

[Xethren]

You will probably be waiting a long time Conor, unless the devs get a mysterious change of heart.Think the best thing we can all do, with what few of our numbers remain is keep the boards active and try to get an official responce. Ninja nerfing is not the way to go Sony. I'd be wasting my breath asking "why did the whole class get hit with the bat because of one PVP exploit, and why didnt the <u>exploit</u> itself get fixed?" But this is SoE we are talking about, and they have been doing this kind of thing for years to their games. Sooner or later people will just up and leave.It doesnt make sense to keep gimping an already [Removed for Content] class. The Coercer world chat is dead, nothing but crickets (at least on Butcherblock). In the lvl 30-50 channels I have only seen one or two others "Lvl X Coercer LFG" maybe all the current chanters are high level. Im not sure, I dont have access to the higher channels yet.It doesnt help either that people ask "Well what does your class actually DO in a group situation?" Crowd control, and a few buffs. Thats pretty much the gist of it. Our DPS is next to nill already, so the pet change is a huge blow to the face.Soloing is still possible, for me at least at level 41. But I have yet to have charm last its full duration ever since Update 42, which before it would last the full time on at least a 50% basis, so it makes me wonder if more than the pet damage was effected. (I have Charm at Adept 3, with max AA points)The pet change is just wrong. What are you expecting us to do? Root the mob and blast it with tiny damage spells for 5-10 minutes? Charm is supposed to be our class defining ability, and its becoming less so.Even just a responce SoE would be nice, so that all of us in the dark holding our breath can at least know if our class is doomed to be nerfed into oblivion, or if it will ever see love in the future.

[Outerspace]

I can't understand the latest changes. Coercers are situational. Granted, corpse candles were powerful back in the day and there were pets in Halls of Fate that did decent DPS. But that's about it. These weren't Pokemon like hysterical wizards, assassins and PvPers would have everyone believe. Couldn't just whip out a corpse candle and start destroying the zone. Bonemire only. Pretty limited use. Nothing much in other zones, making soloability pretty painful. Loads of PvP whingeing about it though.Nothing amazing really in EoF in terms of pets. The odd ones in LP that had a nuke or two. Solo play pretty slow and tedious.With RoK SOE levelled the playing field by boosting spell damage from charmed pets across the board, bringing coercer soloability up to the levels of other classes. We all know coercers have the tools to solo anything but in most cases before RoK it took ages because of a lack of decent pet. SOE apparently addressed this issue by putting decent DD nukers in every zone in RoK meaning we can solo anything without dying of old age. (As a side issue it would be nice if scout or fighter pets used their CA's as often as mage ones do). I think really this is the crux of the issue: we can solo it anyway - pet or no pet - it just takes longer if you nerf the nukes. I suppose in the end they want to make soloing heroics an unviable prospect but they did that by basically removing XP from killing stuff. Sure I could solo City of Mist with a liberated wizard, but it's boring and pointless. Or is it because charmed pets are one-shotting people in PvP? If so, it absolutely sucks that we have this change on PvE servers.We know SOE are scared of some classes being imbalanced which I absolutely agree with, however I am really disappointed to see that they have also resorted to making a large percentage of named mobs immune to crowd control effects to prevent enchanters controlling them. I admit that the chain stun/stifle/daze that can be achieved with AAs would trivialise boss encounters but I find it pretty stupid that these things still work on Epicx4.I rolled a coercer because it was a tough class to play and whilst killing mobs took longer you also had the tools to take on encounters nobody else could. With the latest string of nerfs to the class I struggle to imagine where SOE pictures the coercer. Looking at that pathetic epic weapon it's clearly not as any form of DPS or crowd control and I don't really find much entertainment in being a power regen/peaceful link monkey. Looking at a coercer through the levels there are only about 2 encounters that would be very hard without one and these are in T8 zones and could be done equally well with an illusionist. Are they trying to phase enchanters out or force everyone to reroll? We've been nerfed in all of our key functions. Almost every caster reward in RoK has power regen on it. Those items that don't have power regen have deaggro or magic debuff spell procs. Power drain is pointless. Other classes got better aggro transfer/gain and ours took a hit. What's left for us? DPS. What're SOE nerfing? DPS.

[Slovack]

You know i love playing my coercer alot but like many of u have said the nerfing is just getting old. And this half [Removed for Content] exspansion is just irritating in some ways.......i think in the end new games r coming and sony go f-off. I think im just rdy for a new game. They got my sub till conan and then they can have there bs game, this game just has to many issues now and sony has just proven time and time again they r clueless on what classes should be. RoK = Failed expansion imho....just passin time till Conan comes out i guess cuz its never gonna change. Flame if u want want but really this is just getting old

[Outerspace]

You see I quite like RoK, I just don't like systematic nerfs to my coercer.Don't get your hopes up about Conan..

[Ryk]

<cite>Jesdyr@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody">Why doesnt out Epic weapon has +Subj on it?</span></blockquote>Are you serious?  Have you looked at your counter class's epic, you have 5% recast haste, illusionists don't

[roces9]

/empathy from a Troubador, one of the other "forgotten" classes.