4-armed race

[Sinect]

<p>A passage from the Bruiser epic line states that the Demi-god Gorynn was a 4-armed extra-planar race. Anyone have any idea (If we've seen it before) what race had 4 arms in the past?</p><p> The only thing that comes to mind is the inhabitants of Vex'Thal from Luclin - </p>

[Cusashorn]

Yeah, the Akhevans were the only race in EQlive with 4 arms.

[Gukkor2]

I'm fairly sure that we've never seen Gorynn Zek's race before (nor Gorynn himself, for that matter).

[Cusashorn]

Hey doesn't that one minotaur from the DoF questline shout praise to Gorynn? I remember hearing that he's like the god of all gladiators or something.

[Allisia]

Isn't the djinn master four armed? I'm not sure of the context of the original reference to Gorynn, since djinns are not normally four armed. If it specifically mentions a four armed race then that rules out the djinn.

[Maergoth]

Shadowed Men's true forms are supposedly 4-armed as well I think.As an excerpt from the L&L..<b>Delusional trotters within the Freeport Infirmary have claimed to have journeyed to the Void and have returned with knowledge of the Shadowed Men?s existence within the Mana Flow, but in a corporeal state. These Shadowed Men appear as humanoids with shaded blurry features and four arms.</b>This has proposed ties to Akhevans in the past.. however, proposing it separately in this situation.Food for thought at the least. 

[Apocroph]

<cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>Shadowed Men's true forms are supposedly 4-armed as well I think.As an excerpt from the L&L..<b>Delusional trotters within the Freeport Infirmary have claimed to have journeyed to the Void and have returned with knowledge of the Shadowed Men?s existence within the Mana Flow, but in a corporeal state. These Shadowed Men appear as humanoids with shaded blurry features and four arms.</b>This has proposed ties to Akhevans in the past.. however, proposing it separately in this situation.Food for thought at the least.  </blockquote>Sounds plausible to me.  Whenever an Akhevan died, it returned as a shade, killing a Whisperling in the process, to be killed again.  The shades we saw in EQlive were just the standard shadow mobs, but that could very easily have been on account of the art team not creating a unique model.What doesn't add up about for me is the very futuristic nature of the Obelisk of Lost Souls.  It seems an unlikely match to Akhevans, at least on the basis of architecture, as there is very little in the way of similarity between the Obelisk and Vex Thal/Ka'Vethan.

[Maergoth]

Well keep in mind, if they are shadowed men.. I don't see it impossible that the few that found their way into the void with open access to the mana flow would have advanced much faster than the others.

[Apocroph]

Oh I'm not saying it's not possible.  I'm just saying it seems an unlikely match to me.Another nagging question the idea raises for me is how they arrived on Norrath in the first place (EQlive era).  The impression that I always got was that the Akhevans were created on Luclin, for Luclin, as a result of Luclin's sociopathic behavior.  I have trouble believing she'd allow them to move to Norrath like that.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Oh I'm not saying it's not possible.  I'm just saying it seems an unlikely match to me.Another nagging question the idea raises for me is how they arrived on Norrath in the first place (EQlive era).  The impression that I always got was that the Akhevans were created on Luclin, for Luclin, as a result of Luclin's sociopathic behavior.  I have trouble believing she'd allow them to move to Norrath like that.</blockquote><p>The Akhevians have never known any existance outside of Luclin itself. They were created by Luclin, Goddess of Shadows, and deposited on Luclin, where thier xenophobic nature has lead them to NOT develop any ways of transportation to other dimensions other than the Plane of Shadows itself. Learning the Common Tongue itself or any other language was considered heresy that lead to a great civil war that ended with devastating results.</p><p>Luclin had no presence of the void or the Shadow Men, who originated from the Void, a part of the universe where nothing exists because it is necessary for such an element to exist for the universe to be stable. The gods stay out of the Void because not even they are immune to it's corruptive properties.</p><p>The Akhevans' xenophobia would never lead them to take interest in invading other planets and realms, or associating with evil eyes, Lamia, and the Nightblood.</p><p>It is my opinion that the Akhevans and the Void have never been connected.</p>

[Gukkor2]

Personally, whenever I think of Gorynn, I just imagine Goro from Mortal Kombat.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Personally, whenever I think of Gorynn, I just imagine Goro from Mortal Kombat.</blockquote>I wouldn't be surprised if he was the inspiration.

[Maergoth]

There are too many similarities to completely deny a connection. The Akhevans may have kept to themselves, but there's also been plenty of freewill among them, most of which has led them to be exiled. I don't think it's impossible for them to be related in some senses.For starters, who's to say Luclin herself isn't a void being? Creating them in her image? Last I checked, she had 4 arms as well. The whole "Shadow" theme is unignorably similar, as well as the fact that she never really got along with the other dieties. I hadn't considered the idea that Luclin herself might be a beast of the void to begin with.. toying around in seclusion with plenty of experiments on the moon.

[Gukkor2]

<cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>There are too many similarities to completely deny a connection. The Akhevans may have kept to themselves, but there's also been plenty of freewill among them, most of which has led them to be exiled. I don't think it's impossible for them to be related in some senses.For starters, who's to say Luclin herself isn't a void being? Creating them in her image? Last I checked, she had 4 arms as well. The whole "Shadow" theme is unignorably similar, as well as the fact that she never really got along with the other dieties. I hadn't considered the idea that Luclin herself might be a beast of the void to begin with.. toying around in seclusion with plenty of experiments on the moon.</blockquote><p>Shadow and void are two very different things.  Shadows require something to exist before they can exist themselves (in an empty void, there's nothing to produce light and nothing to project a shadow).  The Void isn't shadow or even darkness.  The Void is nothing.  In order for a void to be a void, nothing can exist inside it, including shadow.  Yes, there are beings in the Void <i>now</i>, but if the Void truly is what its name implies, it had to at least start out empty.</p>

[TaleraRis]

Weren't the humanoid models from Discord four-armed as well? Edit - I thought it was the ixt, but on further perusal that just looks like hair. I seem to remember fighting something that had four arms in either GoD or OoW, though.

[Apocroph]

<cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>There are too many similarities to completely deny a connection. The Akhevans may have kept to themselves, but there's also been plenty of freewill among them, most of which has led them to be exiled. I don't think it's impossible for them to be related in some senses.For starters, who's to say Luclin herself isn't a void being? Creating them in her image? Last I checked, she had 4 arms as well. The whole "Shadow" theme is unignorably similar, as well as the fact that she never really got along with the other dieties. I hadn't considered the idea that Luclin herself might be a beast of the void to begin with.. toying around in seclusion with plenty of experiments on the moon.</blockquote><a href="http://myrist.nsaguild.com/eq/index.php?content=luclin.php" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://myrist.nsaguild.com/eq/index...tent=luclin.php</a>Dunno where you're getting that she had four arms; she's pretty clearly only got two in that image, and there's never been any mention of her having four arms elsewhere.The whole free will/exile thing was a civil war, not Luclin imposing her will upon the Akheva.It'd take a heck of a retcon to make a connection work.

[Gukkor2]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Maergoth wrote:</cite><blockquote>There are too many similarities to completely deny a connection. The Akhevans may have kept to themselves, but there's also been plenty of freewill among them, most of which has led them to be exiled. I don't think it's impossible for them to be related in some senses.For starters, who's to say Luclin herself isn't a void being? Creating them in her image? Last I checked, she had 4 arms as well. The whole "Shadow" theme is unignorably similar, as well as the fact that she never really got along with the other dieties. I hadn't considered the idea that Luclin herself might be a beast of the void to begin with.. toying around in seclusion with plenty of experiments on the moon.</blockquote><a rel="nofollow" href="http://myrist.nsaguild.com/eq/index.php?content=luclin.php" target="_blank">http://myrist.nsaguild.com/eq/index...tent=luclin.php</a>Dunno where you're getting that she had four arms; she's pretty clearly only got two in that image, and there's never been any mention of her having four arms elsewhere.The whole free will/exile thing was a civil war, not Luclin imposing her will upon the Akheva.It'd take a heck of a retcon to make a connection work.</blockquote><p>EQRPG's Luclin sourcebook.  Atenha'Ra is stated as being made in Luclin's image, iirc.</p><p>EDIT: More precisely, Atenha'Ra was made in Akelha'Ra's image, who was in turn made in Luclin's image.</p>

[Sinect]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hey doesn't that one minotaur from the DoF questline shout praise to Gorynn? I remember hearing that he's like the god of all gladiators or something.</blockquote><p>Almost certain - </p><p> - Passage from Bruiser epic questline -<b><i> "The great demigod Gorynn visited Norrath many times. Each time it was to face a challenge in the arena."</i></b></p><p><b><i>"The spirits of war that I commune with hail from the arenas of Gorynn, many stadiums of blood scattered throughout the universe. They agree that you are the one destined to wield the power of Gorynn, god of gladitorial games."</i></b></p>

[Apocroph]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>EQRPG's Luclin sourcebook.  Atenha'Ra is stated as being made in Luclin's image, iirc.<p>EDIT: More precisely, Atenha'Ra was made in Akelha'Ra's image, who was in turn made in Luclin's image.</p></blockquote>Bleh.  Without some confirmation of one or the other, I'm sticking with the image that's been around longer.That's not to say I'd be surprised if the RPG book turned out to be the one confirmed, just saying I'm erring on the side of precedent.

[Gukkor2]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>EQRPG's Luclin sourcebook.  Atenha'Ra is stated as being made in Luclin's image, iirc. <p>EDIT: More precisely, Atenha'Ra was made in Akelha'Ra's image, who was in turn made in Luclin's image.</p></blockquote>Bleh.  Without some confirmation of one or the other, I'm sticking with the image that's been around longer.That's not to say I'd be surprised if the RPG book turned out to be the one confirmed, just saying I'm erring on the side of precedent.</blockquote>Eh, I don't care much either way.  The gods can take whatever form they wish.

[Cusashorn]

Indeed. Just look at Bertoxxulous compaired to his initial artwork.

[Apocroph]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Indeed. Just look at Bertoxxulous compaired to his initial artwork.</blockquote>That logic only carries so far.  There are plenty of deities that haven't changed much at all through their various incarnations.  Bertoxx's avatar may just have been a Ratonga before being elevated to his current position.At any rate, we've already pretty much covered why the shadowed men aren't likely to be related to the Akheva.

[KniteShayd]

<p>Some of the quest rewards in zek for finishing the gravestones quests and the lock box quest reward you with Gorynn Guard items.</p><p>/wishes there was flavor text on all items</p>

[Gukkor2]

<cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>/wishes there was flavor text on all items</p></blockquote>That would be <i>awesome.</i>

[troodon]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bandorn@Venekor wrote:</cite> <blockquote><p>/wishes there was flavor text on all items</p></blockquote>That would be <i>awesome.</i></blockquote>Agreed!  At least for all items flagged as lore

[Fugazl]

Cazic has 4-arms