Wizard "Group" Epic better than Plasma Crystal Wand?

[shadowgate]

Ok, I don't have it yet and am not the best number cruncher but it seems that the "group" Epic weapon may actually be better than the PCW.... Anyone care to run the numbers based on the weapons stated ablities?<img src="http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v392/Shadowgate/Wiz_group_epic.jpg" border="0" alt="" />

[Skwor]

<p>Actually maybe not. WCP procs at 1.8 per min for 12 seconds (3 seconds shorter than group epic) and does 8% boost to spell base damage. SO for the big spells it is actually better than our group epic becuase they will get a bigger boost. The epic gives you a 15% damage boost based on your int, so for 1000 int you get a proced +150 spell damage. Almost a wash imo . WTG SOE a level 80 t9 item epic that is at best barely better than a level 70 t8 item. Good thinking.</p>

[shadowgate]

<cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Actually maybe not. WCP procs at 1.8 per min for 12 seconds (3 seconds shorter than group epic) and does 8% boost to spell base damage. SO for the big spells it is actually better than our group epic becuase they will get a bigger boost. The epic gives you a 15% damage boost based on your int, so for 1000 int you get a proced +150 spell damage. Almost a wash imo . WTG SOE a level 80 t9 item epic that is at best barely better than a level 70 t8 item. Good thinking.</p></blockquote>However, your forgetting this Epic also has a +4% crit plus a proc of 374-564. So you have it doing ....guessing here... about 2% more damage than the PCW and for an additional 4 second a minute (based on proccing twice a minute). Again I am no number cruncher but just going based on what I am seeing.

[Skwor]

<cite>shadowgate wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Actually maybe not. WCP procs at 1.8 per min for 12 seconds (3 seconds shorter than group epic) and does 8% boost to spell base damage. SO for the big spells it is actually better than our group epic becuase they will get a bigger boost. The epic gives you a 15% damage boost based on your int, so for 1000 int you get a proced +150 spell damage. Almost a wash imo . WTG SOE a level 80 t9 item epic that is at best barely better than a level 70 t8 item. Good thinking.</p></blockquote>However, your forgetting this Epic also has a +4% crit plus a proc of 374-564. So you have it doing ....guessing here... about 2% more damage than the PCW and for an additional 4 second a minute (based on proccing twice a minute). Again I am no number cruncher but just going based on what I am seeing.</blockquote>Actually I didn't I just didn't feel like including it. Poor form on my part. Since we really want a good comarison don't forget you can Adorn the CWP but as I read the epic it looks like you can't adorn it not sure though. What does the cannot be modified except by direct means mean?. So the difference may become even smaller. So I will stand on my opinion that it is at best marginally better

[simpwrx02]

<cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>shadowgate wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Actually maybe not. WCP procs at 1.8 per min for 12 seconds (3 seconds shorter than group epic) and does 8% boost to spell base damage. SO for the big spells it is actually better than our group epic becuase they will get a bigger boost. The epic gives you a 15% damage boost based on your int, so for 1000 int you get a proced +150 spell damage. Almost a wash imo . WTG SOE a level 80 t9 item epic that is at best barely better than a level 70 t8 item. Good thinking.</p></blockquote>However, your forgetting this Epic also has a +4% crit plus a proc of 374-564. So you have it doing ....guessing here... about 2% more damage than the PCW and for an additional 4 second a minute (based on proccing twice a minute). Again I am no number cruncher but just going based on what I am seeing.</blockquote>Actually I didn't I just didn't feel like including it. Poor form on my part. Since we really want a good comarison don't forget you can Adorn the CWP but as I read the epic it looks like you can't adorn it not sure though. What does the cannot be modified except by direct means mean?. So the difference may become even smaller. So I will stand on my opinion that it is at best marginally better</blockquote>It is not Ornate therefore you can adorn it.

[Baynne]

<cite>Skwor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Actually maybe not. WCP procs at 1.8 per min for 12 seconds (3 seconds shorter than group epic) and does 8% boost to spell base damage. SO for the big spells it is actually better than our group epic becuase they will get a bigger boost. The epic gives you a 15% damage boost based on your int, so for 1000 int you get a proced +150 spell damage. Almost a wash imo . WTG SOE a level 80 t9 item epic that is at best barely better than a level 70 t8 item. Good thinking.</p></blockquote>not sure if this is totally accurate.  as i read it, it adds a % damage to your spells based on 15% int, so if you got 1000 int, it adds 150 int worth of extra damage.  if this is incorrect then i will be of course set straight.  just thought id mention it cuz im sure others out there interpret it differently as well.

[Force Weaver]

<p>Even if it seem not game breakingly powerful I still like the looks and the fact you get to do a <i>HQ on crack</i> to get it and will likely mosey my way to it eventually.   </p><p>What everyone should be asking is why didn't this epic weapon do something strangely unique like say...</p><p>  "When Dragon's Marrow equipped in main hand WOCP may be used as an off hand weapon."</p><p>                                             or</p><p>   "When Dragon's Marrow equipped KOS AA cap is raised to 80 in that tree."</p><p> But that's just the munchkin-power-gamer creeping out of my imagination!  For as much as the itemization guys probably want to OP us (the players) we all know deep down inside management is right when they keep the real improvements 2-5%.  It's like combat inflation, and SOE is trying to give us some real feeling of growth without uber inflation and the unsatisfying trivialization that comes with it.</p>

[Wildmage]

<cite>Force Weaver wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><b>Even if it seem not game breakingly powerful I still like the looks and the fact you get to do a <i>HQ on crack</i> to get it and will likely mosey my way to it eventually.   </b></p><p><b>What everyone should be asking is why didn't this epic weapon do something strangely unique like say...</b></p><p><b>  "When Dragon's Marrow equipped in main hand WOCP may be used as an off hand weapon."</b></p><p><b>                                             or</b></p><p><b>   "When Dragon's Marrow equipped KOS AA cap is raised to 80 in that tree."</b></p><p> But that's just the munchkin-power-gamer creeping out of my imagination!  For as much as the itemization guys probably want to OP us (the players) we all know deep down inside management is right when they keep the real improvements 2-5%.  It's like combat inflation, and SOE is trying to give us some real feeling of growth without uber inflation and the unsatisfying trivialization that comes with it.</p></blockquote>too circumstantial and metagamey I'd say.  And the second one would  be overpowered.

[Force Weaver]

^^^ I was just kidding <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Bright_Morn]

As for how the epic works... it adds 15% of your INT as +damage.  I determined this by using Flames of Velious, and comparing it to itself.  Not only that but this additional damage is subject to the current cap rules of 50% of a spells total damage.So basically, I will not be using this item.  /sigh

[DerFunkBlaster]

<p>Last night I was infuriated by this weapon after testing it. It does infact add 15% of your int as base damage to your spells. IMO this is really dumb. That % should be 50% on the group version for it to be remotely effective for a wizard. People keep saying, wait for the mythical because that will be the true epic. I'm sure our mythical will be really nice for us, however this group epic is a real kick in the knockers for the people who won't be able to obtain the mythical. Not too impressed atm SOE.</p>

[NightGod473]

<cite>DerFunkBlaster wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Last night I was infuriated by this weapon after testing it. It does infact add 15% of your int as base damage to your spells. IMO this is really dumb. That % should be 50% on the group version for it to be remotely effective for a wizard. People keep saying, wait for the mythical because that will be the true epic. I'm sure our mythical will be really nice for us, however this group epic is a real kick in the knockers for the people who won't be able to obtain the mythical. Not too impressed atm SOE.</p></blockquote>So...wait, let me see if I get this right. Arguably the best wizard weapon in the game right now (easily the best one groupable item, probably top 3 or so for raid stuff we've seen so far). Literally completable in a day (hell, probably 5 hours or so if you have a group on standby and focused on you)...and people are complaining!?!I just don't get it anymore and, honestly, kind of give up on people.

[Lader]

dont think this is base damage, just regular spell damage like you would get from an equippable item. WoCP is base dmg. not saying WoCP is necessarily better, but base damage is better by far. Wizzy epic seems like a glorified SoD, with added crit, int, and a higher dmg proc. the mythical, however, is one of the better epics out there.

[SacDaddy420]

  Think about it for a sec....8% added to the -base-  damage of spells with a proc that is up a fair amount of the time..Whats more?   8% of a 20K Bolt of Ice or an extra ~350 damage added to it....Unless you have the Dark Orb of the Mind (which cancels out the Plasma Boost proc)  then from a DPS standpoint the WoCP is better than the group epic.And to laders point....EVERYONE's Mythical is the bomb.   Do not forget that I am 99.99% sure the Spell DA will scale like all other double attacks against orange mobs.