Best race for bruiser?

[Smackfan]

What would be the best race for bruiser? I started a Dirge and loved till lvl 15 now I find it hard to solo with him and can't even take out ^ named guys my level. So I read bruiser is one of the best soloists and want to give one a try.

[Pnaxx]

Welcome. Yea, we are a good soloing class for sure. There is no "best" race. Because of all the stats you get from gear, they all pretty much melt into one. BUt, if I have to pick, I would say look at the races that have good strength and or agility as their primary atributes as those are the 2 things you will rely on. I have in Iksar which I love! Ogres are the bomb too. But really, you can pick anything you want...go with what you think is the coolest! Thtas really your main judge. What makes you happy. In the early game, the class matters more than it does later, so if you want to biggest bang for your buck, I think Ogres are the naturaly best Fighter class...as that is what God made them to be. Pure and simple.

[Solu]

Really only two things make races stand out... look and racials.  Starting stats mean nothing by level 20+.  For me the short list was iksar, kerra, half-elf or barbarian with iksar winning out for the stealth, underwater breathing, combat racials and look.

[Novusod]

It is not the stats but the racial abilities that matter most. Half-elves get a mini-dispatch and a decent de-agro if you are going down a dps route. Dark elves get a temp dps buff that is almost as powerful as Chi.

[Splor]

Ogres by far4 reasons+base mitigation is very important. A 80 level ogre gets +200+/- mitigation just for that trait2% melee crits and +5 aggression(hard to get aggression up)+3% base hpsA CA that does decent damage and has knockdown(which would give you 4 not counting AA usage)

[AramisX]

I found that big races just didn't do it for me. Anything larger than a human just sort of lumbers about and you have to zoom way out to see what's going on. Barbarians look really good on paper with their run speed increase and good bonuses to melee, but I just couldn't get into playing a character that looked like a Scottish incredible hulk.The fairies also look good on paper, but... well, they're *fairies*.The elves are a good compromise. My personal favourites are half elves and dark elves. Not because they're 'better', but because I like the look of them (with SOGA models) and they have some decent racials. Half elves get a speed increase and stealth, DE's get a slow fall thingy that you can keep up all the time, the previously mentioned Fury of Innoruk which is an effective boss killer, and a starting zone that, while not as generous as the newer starting area, is a lot better than Qeynos, Kelithin or Freeport. Best of all they have faux British accents. I don't find American elves particularly convincing <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" />  It's all just gravy though. Pick the race you identify with the most.

[Moongloom]

<p>I chose and betrayed a froglok.  You get an Aoe, a deagro (if you want/need), +3% health, +5 crush and +2% DA, and you can walk on bottom of the sea.  What isn't fun about that?  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Underblock]

<p>I went Iksar for the Nostalga sp?) of it all before the racials were worth even considering.  Looking back now though, it has been a great choice (albeit by pure luck).  Don't forget the inherent racials.  Iksar for example get a bonus to out-of-combat health regen which scales by level and ends up equating to a ~50% bonus to level appropriate food.</p><p>I'm no expert. . . .but my 2 cents. . . . it all depends on what you're goal is.  We're kind of a hybrid class (tank/DPS) which means you can choose to be balanced between the two areas or just focus on one.</p><p><u>DPS Focused:</u></p><p>Find a race with racials to +Crit or +Double Attack.  A racial AOE is nice too and possibly agro reduction</p><p><u>Tank Focused:</u></p><p>Go with +% Health +% Resists and lots of stamina.  </p><p>If you solo a lot, I recommend you consider a DPS focus.  If you group a lot as the tank, go tank.  </p><p>Yes, people will tell you, anything can be fixed with equipment. . .and they're right, just forces you to think more about equipment throughout your career.  For exmample, whithout water berathing racial (and solo play) you'll need to keep purchasing or questing for water breathing items.  Not a bad thing. . . .unless you forget to restock <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Venomfists70 BruiserNajena</p>

[ganjookie]

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[Owa]

<span style="font-size: medium;font-family: times new roman,times;">Obviously Barbarian is the best race for Bruiser.</span>

[Sorffats]

<p>Mostly, it will be what you prefer playing.  I chose DE, not because of the racial abilities, but because I have always enjoyed the dark mysteria about the dark elf.  I played a DE necro in EQ1 for a little more than 6 years.  </p><p> My str is lower than ogres, trolls, and barbarians; but in higher tiers, gear makes up for that.   I do like the hover (floatie buff), but if you use it constantly, you'll never get your safe fall up. (Ever tried playing an arasi bruiser?  They have like 0 safe fall).  But being on a pvp server, I like having the hover for jumping off of cliffs and off of sokokar on to my vitcim(s).</p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p>Ogre is best race for bruiser.  The extra mit is huge.  </p><p> Human is good, also gets the 3%hp and gets skill buffs, defense and deflection and c/p/s.</p><p>Outside of those 2, another option is go with a race that has a blue AoE racial attack, tehrefore yielding you higher DPS on AoE fights with Knockout.  Forglock or Dwarf might be good for this, though you'd have to betray.  </p>

[Xaile]

<p>I have a Sarnak Bruiser myself, and I think it's a pretty good choice. They have a racial trait that gives +5 crushing and +2% crit chance, both of which are nice for a bruiser. They have an AoE damage fire damage ability they can get as well (haven't gotten it yet, though, only level 51).</p><p>They a trait that reduces fall damage by 25% and another trait that raises run speed by 5% (not gamebreaking, but fun in conjuction with safe fall and Favorable Wind, respectively). They also get a trait that increases run speed by 50% for 36 seconds, when used in conjuction with sprint and Favorable wind and the previously mentioned trait that's identical to favorable wind, gives temporary 100% runspeed. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> They also get a trait that reduces the effectiveness of snares on you by 25% (I hate getting snared when trying to run through a zone that wants to kill me, especially if I miss a FD)</p><p>On the reverse side of things, they get a +5 wis bonus trait, which is not so great. They get a divine mit bonus trait they can get, but all races (to my knowledge) get some mitigation trait. The tradeskill traits they have cover weaponsmithing and something else that I don't remember off the top of my head.</p><p>That said, I pick all my character's races based off the appearance of the race and the character concept in my mind. I just get lucky sometimes and the racial traits work out for the class. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[ganjookie]

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[Pipp]

I know it's been said, but race doesn't matter.This is true for any class out there.  Your gear at levels 20+ will negate any starting racial benefits.I love me my dark elf bruiser.  on nom nom nom nom

[ganjookie]

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[Quicksilver74]

<cite>Pipple wrote:</cite><blockquote>I know it's been said, but race doesn't matter.This is true for any class out there.  Your gear at levels 20+ will negate any starting racial benefits.I love me my dark elf bruiser.  on nom nom nom nom</blockquote><p>Race DOES matter.  The impact of racial abilities makes a huge difference for an end-game player, and less of a difference for a casual player, but still, it matters.  </p><p>   Some races get 3% Power, some get 3% HP, and while that may not seem like much to you, it can make a huge difference to a raider.  For example, a lvl 80 Shadowknight or Paladin who has 11,000 hp solo would get a nice boost from that ability, which helps with divine aura.  </p><p>Or for the casual player, some races have feather-fall abilities and some do not.  This is huge as it can save you from many deaths if you start in kelethin, or happen to be near cliffs from time to time.  </p><p>Or Perhaps you want to be bigger than everyone else?   Ogre is the way to go, not simply because they are bigger, but they get a self buff to make them even bigger than normal!   combined with the new LoN cape, Bolster, and maybe a Burynai illusion....    Hop on a rhino and Nagafen could look you in the eye I bet!</p><p>Racials abilities do matter.  </p>

[Kram337]

I choose human for my main bruiser, why? Because its one of the few classes that can have a beard. I hate the look of a char in a hat with a bald head since wearing a hat turns your hair off. I made my choice purely on looks since I have to look at this char for many many many hours. Also I like that the human is a bit bulkier than the elves but not fat like the barbarians.Racial traits? I'm not even sure which ones I got and frankly dont care. People seem to think 200 mitigation is a HUGE difference but its probably less than 1% difference. I say go with what looks cool if you're into looks. If you're into gaining fairly marginal bonus' then go with the numbers.

[Gilasil]

<p>The water breathing ability is nice for my Iksar bruiser.  Sure you can get it other ways, but it makes soloing underwater quests fun instead of a chore.  I seek out underwater quests and always prefer them.  Venemous strike is a nice little extra attack.</p><p> Besides which, I love the lore and look of the Iksar (female Iksar anyway, EQ2 really messed up the male Iksar model)</p><p>None of this is a big deal if you're doing min/max but for me it's a big deal.  Not everyone is in (or wants to be in) a raid guild.  I probably wouldn't have returned if I couldn't play an Iksar.</p>

[Mayl]

<p>Another Iksar vote here.</p><p>Underwater breathing</p><p>Nice CA attack</p><p>+crit and +parry</p><p>+ defense and deflection</p><p>Super stuff!</p>

[Madmoon]

<p>Race does not matter for the stats or abilities, except in the "well, every little bit helps" category.  If you're soloing, you're not going to kill five more creatures in an hour over a gnome bruiser.  If you're raiding, it's all about the team, not the racial stats or abilities.  You could have all gnome fighters and all troll casters and all ogre scouts and all half-elf priests - if they know their jobs, that's what'll take the wyrm's head, not their racial abilities.</p><p>Race DOES matter for style.  And when it comes to style, none can come near a Kerra.  Nuff zed.</p><p>RedmouserBruiser, AB</p>

[caeler]

<p>Personally, trying to min / max here, so race is important to me.</p><p>Trying to decide between troll, ogre, and Sarnak based solely on racial abilities.</p><p>Tried an Eurdite, you can imagine how that went <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Based SOLELY on racials,  The Troll actually seems to edge out the three above, based on a mix of underwater breathing, permanant out of combat health regen boost, + to melee crits, etc.</p><p>Sarnak seems to come in second, followed by Ogre.</p><p>Having a tough time deciding, any thoughts?</p>

[Pnaxx]

<p><cite>caeleran wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>Personally, trying to min / max here, so race is important to me.</p><p>Trying to decide between troll, ogre, and Sarnak based solely on racial abilities.</p><p>Tried an Eurdite, you can imagine how that went <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Based SOLELY on racials,  The Troll actually seems to edge out the three above, based on a mix of underwater breathing, permanant out of combat health regen boost, + to melee crits, etc.</p><p>Sarnak seems to come in second, followed by Ogre.</p><p>Having a tough time deciding, any thoughts?</p></blockquote><p>I really don't think there is anything else you need toknow. You have reseached this and if Troll comes out on top, do it. I am sure they are a great class to play. To me though, the Ogre is God's gift to battle.</p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p>Troll is ok, but cannot compare to Ogre or Human.  Ogres and Humans are 2 of the best races to pick when creating a bruiser.  Both get 3% bonus max HP.  Ogres get extra mit and a stun breakout, Humans get +7 or 8 to everything, IE Crush pierce slash, deflection defense etc...  </p><p> Personally, I wil say Ogre is the best hands down, considering the mitigation boost to our class is HUGE. </p>

[Mogzilla]

<p>ogre is the best for all tank classes imo.</p>

[heelena]

<p>Human the best!</p>

[TheSpin]

<p>I do not really like the looks for of this race, but arasai makes the best bruiser.  5% in combat movement speed, a 50% burst to movement speed that works in and out of combat.  2% double attack 5% defense(or parry not sure).  And rather than the racial attack they get a temp buff that significantly increases damage for 30 seconds while lowering your defense.</p><p>If you think of abilities like drag, and combine it with the in combat movement and/or the 50% movement burst etc there are a lot of really unique things an arasai bruiser could do.</p>

[caeler]

<p>Went with Ogre, approaching level 20, took the +2% Melee Crit, +5 Aggression trait @ 10, should I take the +Mitigation at 20?</p>

[Illine]

<p>I took a ratonga and I do like her <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Sprin]

<p><cite>Xaile wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I have a Sarnak Bruiser myself, and I think it's a pretty good choice. They have a racial trait that gives +5 crushing and +2% crit chance, both of which are nice for a bruiser. They have an AoE damage fire damage ability they can get as well (haven't gotten it yet, though, only level 51).</p><p>They a trait that reduces fall damage by 25% and another trait that raises run speed by 5% (not gamebreaking, but fun in conjuction with safe fall and Favorable Wind, respectively). They also get a trait that increases run speed by 50% for 36 seconds, when used in conjuction with sprint and Favorable wind and the previously mentioned trait that's identical to favorable wind, gives temporary 100% runspeed. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" width="15" height="15" /> They also get a trait that reduces the effectiveness of snares on you by 25% (I hate getting snared when trying to run through a zone that wants to kill me, especially if I miss a FD)</p><p>On the reverse side of things, they get a +5 wis bonus trait, which is not so great. They get a divine mit bonus trait they can get, but all races (to my knowledge) get some mitigation trait. The tradeskill traits they have cover weaponsmithing and something else that I don't remember off the top of my head.</p><p>That said, I pick all my character's races based off the appearance of the race and the character concept in my mind. I just get lucky sometimes and the racial traits work out for the class. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>I agree, sarnak bruiser is a great choice.. i pondered this for about 2 hours when i was making my bruiser, because i knew i was taking it up to 80 and would hate to make a bad choice</p><p>While the fae / arasai sprint and float is great, their other stuff is borderline junk for a bruiser</p><p>As for the Sarnak... the 50% boost to run speed coupled with 25% less snare plus Close mind and you can get into the back of pretty much any instance or zone without worries... as for PVP.. the 25 percent less snare is great for when you want to run away from a gank group etc... the 25% less fall damage coupled with the cloak decrease in fall damage + safe fall makes it a very very very very high distance you can fall with out dying...</p><p>And remember this one very important fact... no matter what race you get... how ugly it is... you just have to buy Petrified Eyes of whatever race you want to look like and you will never see your sarnak or fae or froglok again... i hate the way sarnaks look but the racial traits are great for bruiser, with the resistability to taunts and the + to crit and crushing.... etc...     Petrified barbarian or ogre eye and i never see that ugly Sarnak race again...</p><p>Sarnak is the way to go..... use that Petrified eye and you dont have to worry about looks</p>

[Madmoon]

<p>Truly, truly, truly race does not matter.  You will never have an encounter you can or cannot win because of the race you chose.</p><p>That being said, nothing looks better than a Kerra bruiser.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" /></p><p>Elven, Fae and Arasi bruisers are abominations.</p><p>RedmouserBruiser, AB</p>

[JmacF]

<p>I went dark elf for my bruiser,  human for the monk.   The dark elf's combination of chi and fury of innoruk equals a smackdown on names.   Plus i love jumping off a cliff with the hover ability, casting the teleport to target while in air.. smacking it with DF and collecting my loot as i land.</p>

[Sprin]

<p><cite>JmacF wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>I went dark elf for my bruiser,  human for the monk.   The dark elf's combination of chi and fury of innoruk equals a smackdown on names.   Plus i love jumping off a cliff with the hover ability, casting the teleport to target while in air.. <span style="color: #ff0000;"><strong>smacking it with DF and collecting my loot as i land</strong>.</span></p></blockquote><p>Which is now upgradable and doesnt stun you... Devastating fist is the 40's version i believe and there is a 63 and a 73 version now too... woot</p><p>And i just find it hilarious that people choose race based off looks... from lvl 1 you can get the petrified eye or any number of 1000's of illusions that will make you look like whatever you want...  race DOES matter if you utilize the racial traits that are given... and yes you will survive a fight more if you have +50 to run speed for 36 seconds and you see a large group of PVP coming your way, or if your in an instance and want to train through the end, the run speed plus less snare effects can get you further...   (sarnak examples)</p><p>You want half elf.. great, you get a 30 second stealth that chews up all your power at the end of the 30 seconds... wow... great one... totally worthless after lvl 30 and pretty much worthless before then... safe fall for some races will allow you to jump over and off cliffs to safety from PVP or save you a boat load of time... can also jump off any griffon at any hight... etc....</p><p>or maybe summoning a lager is what you want for good racial trait?  how worthless is that?  so many races have nothing but the better initial stats, which are of course of no significance, if thats what you mean by "race doesnt matter" but the racial traits sure as heckfire do</p><p>choosing a race based off its looks is about as ignorant as you can get in this game... and just shows you dont know the game very well...</p>

[Madmoon]

<p>Oh, without doubt, there are useful racial traits.  But you can make a case for most any race, looking at traits.  At the end of the day, though, you won't get to 80 a minute faster because you chose one race over another.  Certainly in PvE.  Maybe there is some ueber-trait for PvP, but who cares?  It's PvP.</p><p>As to things like summoning lager or hiding... let's not forget that this is a Role Playing game.  That lager might just fit in fine with your idea of a bruiser, or anyway, the bruiser you want to play.</p><p>Point is, choose the race you like best, be it for looks, be it by traits or be it that you just like the sound of the word "sarnak."  If you chose the race you like, you will be happy, regardless.</p><p>RedmouserBruiser, AB</p>

[tigressb]

<p>Halfling, naturally.  They get plus to max hp, and a mini Dispatch-esque attack that stacks with our Eye Gouge line.  Plus, they just are awesomer than everything else.  ~flex~ </p><p>Punky, 77th halfling bruiser</p>

[DarkMirrax]

<p>like crab said human ftw the traits pwn .. either that or ogre <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  ... kerra = monk ...</p>

[Madmoon]

<p>The jealousy of the lesser races is <em>so</em> transparent.</p><p>RedmouserBruiser, AB</p>

[Rayche]

<p>Dark Elf here. I'm sure the mitigation would have been nice, but as a Dark Elf I have a racial Mini-Chi which is huge for me.</p><p>If you only take into account the tankability of your bruiser then Ogre might be the best choice, but if you want burst DPS Dark Elf isn't a bad way to go. How many times on a raid is your bruiser tanking versus trying to DPS his butt off?</p><p>P.S.</p><p>The Petrified eyes aren't really a great solution because you can't CHOOSE what type of Ratonga or Human or Dark Elf you get to look like. You might just wind up looking like a Dark Elf version of Michael Jackson meets Carrot Top.</p>

[Quicksilver74]

<p><cite>Pipple wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>I know it's been said, but race doesn't matter.This is true for any class out there.  Your gear at levels 20+ will negate any starting racial benefits.</blockquote><p>Sorry bro but that is absolutely NOT true.  Just plain and simple it's not true.  Certain races get abilities that are just insanely good. </p><p><strong>Euridite</strong> - gets a bonus to casting speed, which is Amazing for any sorcerer, shaman, or cleric, as they have long cast times. </p><p><strong>OGRE</strong> - Gets a mitigation boost, which is something we bruisers have to have over 170 AA to get, and oh yeah they stack so being an ogre is amazing.  Plus they get an extra stun breakout.  The stun breakout also makes them awesome healers.  Having the ability to break out so you can cure the group is godly.</p><p><strong>Troll</strong> - Gets the ability to break out of a fear.  This is amazing for healers as well, so that they can cure their group on some harder fights. </p><p>Those are just a few of the amazing abilities that some races get that are just amazing.  Not to mention some races get percentage based bonusses to HP or Power.  It sucks playing a fighter class and having a race that gives power instead of HP. </p>

[Sprin]

<p><cite>Redmouser@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p> At the end of the day, though, you won't get to 80 a minute faster because you chose one race over another.  Certainly in PvE. </p></blockquote><p> Well i will have to disagree with you on this one too, you choose a race that has the +50 speed boost for 36 seconds and you would be surprised how much time that saves over the long run especially in the huge zones that have insane run times to turn in quests / to get to the mobs you need to kill..... even to get around the cities from QH bank to QH broker...etc... saves tons of time...</p>

[Greavous]

<p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ;" >This is a very easy argument to sort. Bottom line is if you’re a casual player then pick which ever race you want. Hell you can even roll a gnome if you haven’t taken your meds. </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ;" > </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ;" >If your looking to have the edge and want to be top of your class then you do need to choose wisely when creating your godlike Bruiser.</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ;" >I went Barbarian for the +5 parry, +3% health, +5 Str the out of combat health regen and str buff, the mit increase buff for when u fall below 30% health, the 2.5 sec stun from tundra slam, the 1% melee crit and 1% DA</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ;" >The summoning of alcoholic beverage was the clincher</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ;" >But the real reason was because Barbarians look sexy in a GI </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ;" > </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ;" >The extra mit and the anti stun buff are nice form the ogre line but you get that at 30% health and the +5 parry and extra stun tips the balance for me</span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ;" > </span></p><p style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0pt;"><span style="font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ;" ></span><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Verdana; mso-ansi-language: EN-NZ; mso-font-kerning: 8.0pt; mso-fareast-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-bidi-font-family: 'Times New Roman'; mso-fareast-language: EN-GB; mso-bidi-language: AR-SA;" >This stuff makes a difference and to say it doesn’t is just mad. The Str,Int,Sta etc parts of the race traits are meaningless but the other parts are crucial.</span></p>

[Pnaxx]

<p>Well, clearly everyone is forgetting the god-like ability of the Iksar! What most people don't know is we have an ability that "makes" people watch our tail wagging. While they are doing that we puch them in the face.</p><p>Yea, Iksar is da chit.</p><p>But really, the one thing someone told me a while ago that I think makes good sence is that all races are not created equal. Take the Ogre. That char's strength is about a whole level over most other races. That matters to a degree. As you get up in the levels it matters less, but it always still matters. Most races have to blow AA points to make up for that, Ogres can spend them elsewhere.</p><p>So, size does matter. End of discussion.    <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Zacarus]

<p><cite>Pnaxx wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>So, size does matter.</p></blockquote><p>Exactly why I chose Gnome for my new pvp bruiser.  I love the irony.  Put on the mystic moppet and you've got just about the tiniest toughguy in the realm.</p><p>-- Dempsey, level 22 bruiser of Qeynos</p>

[Madmoon]

<p>Sorry, but at 40 even, I can find a ratonga stronger than an ogre.  It's all in the gear.  Just break your gear sometime, and you will see what I mean.</p><p>Race matters not at all.  The things that matter are first, how well you play and then a distant second, the level of your CAs, followed closely by the quality of your gear.  Then what matters is if you have help or not - friends, a guild, etc.  All these things, especially the first, matter so much more than race that it is impossible to argue hat race matters.  It's like arguing that a car antenae that is ninety degrees is less aerodynamic than one that slants back, or is built-in.  Yes, technically, one is better than the other, but you will not arrive a minute earlier at your destination if you have one or the other.  Getting through a dungeon like Unrest as the primary fighter at 70, it matters more how you play, with whom you are playing, what your CAs are, and how you are equipped, then if you are ogre, kerra or ratonga.. oreven iksar.</p><p>Choose a race you like.  The min/max of this isn't worth the thought.</p><p>RedmouserBruiser, AB</p>

[Mwahaha]

<p>I have a froglok bruiser.  I made him back before all the changes to the races were made and the thing I like the most about being a frog is the ability to fight underwater.  It opens up some interesting leveling spots which is great to avoid the gank groups on naggy.</p>