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Piratejoe

02-07-2008, 01:31 PM

I was reading the history of the 2nd Rallosian War, then later the Rending and got too thinking. How can I tie those two events together and make it possible too return the world too how it used too be. This is a ruff draft of what I came up with, please feel free too add or change things. 1. During the 2nd Rallosian War General Urduuk split his army into two forces and sent them too Freeport and Qeynos, BUT he also had sent a small vanguard force too land on the shores of Butcherblock too set up a beachfront for the rest of the Rallosian Army after Freeport and Qeynos were defeated. The Orcs of Crushbone and the Rallosians would then attack from two fronts defeating the pitiful races on Faydwer. 2. When the Gods interfeared sending the Green mist and opening up the earth destroying the Rallosian Empire they broke a pact too not interfere in the mortal realm. Rallos Zek furious with Brell Serilis and Cazic-Thule decided he was twice wronged and sent a Avatar too the Small Rallosian Fleet on its way too Butcherblock with new instructions. They were too head back too the Mountains of Rathe unseen and Build a Temple too Rallos Zek and wait thier unseen untill they were told too march forth once more. The Avatar of Rallos Zek would hide this small force from the eyes of the Gods but could do nothing against mortal eyes. The Ogres returned too the mountains of rathe leaving no survivors and built their Temple high up in the mountains hidden too the rest of the world.3. Angry Rallos Zek demanded two boons from the other gods for the Interferance of Cazic-Thule and Brell Serilis. Brell and Cazic both protested claiming they were in their right too destroy the Rallosian Army. The other Gods however agreed with Rallos Zek but granting him only one boon since they could feel he also meddled somehow in the Mortal Realm of Norrath after the fall of the Rallosian Empire but were not certain what. Rallos Zek then points too the other gods and tells them too look down on Norrath and see how many of his children the Ogres were left. The Gods peered down too Norrath and could only see a pitiful amount of Ogres left and Rallos Zek demanded a Boon of proliferation for his children the Ogres. After much debate it was agreed too but with a limit of 300 hundred mortal years so the Ogres would once again live on as a race but not long enough that their numbers would threaten Norrath ever again. 4. The remaining Ogres that the Gods could see then fled too Freeport were they were given a home in return for service. Over the Centurys their numbers slowly grew despite being used as shocktroops for the Overlord of Freeport. However hidden from the eyes of the gods the Rallosian Ogres of Rath also grew in numbers so that after 300 hundred years they were many once again. Rallos Zek never forgeting what Brell or Cazic did too his Children decided too act. He then ordered his Avatar and the Rallosians too go forth down into Brells realm first too punish him and chase him back too his very plane. Unknown too the Mortals of Norrath a 3rd Rallosian war was raging far below them. The ratmen fled the downbelow and the Rallosians were on the very gate too Brell himself when Brell decided his only chance was too abandon his Realm under Norrath and seal himself up for the time being. With Brell Serilis's leaving Norrath his underrealm collapsed causing the Great rending drowning or crushing many Ogres and thus also saving Norrath from the Rallosian Empire. Meanwhile Cazic-Thule knew fear hisself and Rallos Zek then turned his angry eye his way. Perhaps this has something too do with the Moon exploding or maybe he made a deal with Rallos Zek. 5. Present time: Brell Serilis has returned too Norrath with the other gods and a uneasy truce has been made. The gods now are deciding if Brell Serilis should reclaim is Realm under Norrath and if that would be a wise thing too do. They are fearful that the Rallosian Empire that was hidden in the Mountains of Rathe will once again sweap across the world and the sea's are the only thing keeping them in check. Rallos Zek however claims the Ogres are currently weak after their campains against Brell and Cazic-thule and its not wise too keep the world in its current state as all the races in the same citys might make them unite agains the gods and threaten their very realms once again.Well those are my Ideas for a future story and expansion, Thanks for your time. Piratejoe

Cusashorn

02-07-2008, 03:09 PM

I've never heard of them sending a contingent to Faydwer to prepare to war the races there. During the War of the Fey, however, all native ogres and trolls living in Neriak itself, helped invade Faydwer.All the ogres living in Freeport were spared from the Greenmist because they never were part of the Rallosian Army to begin with. They had been living in Freeport and following the Overlord's rule and command from the very beginning.Cazic Thule and Brell Serilis only interfered because the army had defiled thier own races and creations. The Temple of Cazic Thule, the lizardmen, the amygdalans, the Gnolls... They only broke thier pact because Rallos Zek did it first.Just my 2 copper.

Gisallo

02-08-2008, 03:01 AM

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've never heard of them sending a contingent to Faydwer to prepare to war the races there. During the War of the Fey, however, all native ogres and trolls living in Neriak itself, helped invade Faydwer.All the ogres living in Freeport were spared from the Greenmist because they never were part of the Rallosian Army to begin with. They had been living in Freeport and following the Overlord's rule and command from the very beginning.Cazic Thule and Brell Serilis only interfered because the army had defiled thier own races and creations. The Temple of Cazic Thule, the lizardmen, the amygdalans, the Gnolls... They only broke thier pact because Rallos Zek did it first.Just my 2 copper.</blockquote>What he said. A few other issues. You say they are hidden only from the divine, not "mortal" eyes. There aren't any places in BB for Ogres to hide really and the dwarves have been tearing the place apart looking for ANYTHING that they can find that can help them take back Kaladim, even if they didn't know the full strength they would know "over there, there be Ogres".As for turning the world back to the way it used to be...Vhalen was just interviewed and said that the Rending was basically a reflection on Norrath of a "rending" that happened in the Planes. Since this is such a "cosmic" thing, the idea of returning the world to how it "used to be" would seem impossible due to the shere scope of the event. Here's Vhalen himself clarifying the interview in the thread due to a misspeak."Within the interview, where I mention the Shattered Lands being a result of the universal mechanics, the word "Shattering" is mistakenly capitalized. This gives the impression that I am referring to the destruction of Luclin. This is not the case. What I was stating was that the shattering of old Antonica, the Shattered Lands, was brought about by upheavals within the universal mechanics and not by any deity.The gods were removed from the world and events that occurred in the planes during their departure. Cataclysms were not confined to the mortal realms."From this it seems that the gods did not fully "depart" until the conclusion of the Rallosian war, I would guess as part of a peace treaty amongst themselves...[the Tribunal]"Okay guys and gals, hands off REALLY needs to mean hands off for a bit okay...I mean really your Avatars were wiping out thousands down there, yes we mean you Rallos, don't look surprised...see you on the Plane of Maui and don't forget your surf boards!!!!"The gods sealing off the Material Plane from the Primal Planes then had the unintended consequence of the Rending, not the conscious act of any god. I would guess "Cataclysms were not confined to the mortal realms" has a lot to do with the gods return. One of the main reasons they sealed themselves off was because they didn't like mortals rampaging across their planes. So why would you want to take the risk of that happening again? The fact their Planes also suffered damage would explain coming back. They need to "tend" to their flock again in the hopes that the damage can be repaired with their help, whether directly, or by the fact that (in some myths maybe Norrath?) the powers of the gods are enhanced by the number of worshippers they have, or their Planes can simply draw power from this one (whichever) and they need the extra "juice" indirectly in order to repair the damage on their side of the wall. Maybe they discovered to their dismay that their Planes and the Material Plane MUST be connected in order for them both to function properly? Like a foundation and the Castle above. The Castle (the Material Plane) can not stand without the foundation (the "primal" Planes), and the foundation eventually is erroded and filled with sediment if there is not a Castle above. For how long were the seas unpassable even after the shattering of the lands slowed? Imagine the gods rocking in their Planes as disaster struck there as well. How long will it have taken to rebuild those bridges to the Material Plane? It is always easier to destroy than to create. Maybe thats what finally stopped the Rending and made the seas passable once again and completely ended the rending, the rebuilding of the bridges between the planes? The gods however needed to get a lay of the new land, and decide where they would send their prophets. Maybe the Shattering of Luclin was a side effect of the gods finally opening the gates for their passage back to this realm. The bridges had been built but the gates were still shut. Suddenly the gates are thrown open so that the gods can call their prophets and give them their power. The power of the Planes returns in a rush and the Nexus bares the brunt of this, as all Spires on Norrath (focal points of planar energy) are linked here, and the Spire can not stand, taking Luclin with it.There are still MANY interesting ways of dealing with this (only a couple mentioned above), but changing the worlds back to how they were? Not going to happen. Stabilize them in their new forms however? Yep, but it looks like that happened with the return of the Gods doesn't it.(all ideas trademarked by Gisallo Runanda'n through the Court of Kelethin, Greater Faydark, Faydwer 19002 <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />)

Piratejoe

02-08-2008, 04:14 AM

Well fiddlesticks, their goes my well thought out evil plan. I guess it is possible for the gods too "Heal" the lands a bit but from you folks said it will never be the same. Brell could cause the ocean floor too rise again filling a massive caldara or they could freeze the northern poles causing the water levels too drop but I guess Norrath will never return too its old glory, sigh. (I HATE the islands setup they had at launch, sorry guess its just me)

DrkVsr

02-08-2008, 05:11 AM

Did neither of you too read where Joe said the 3rd division of the Rallosian Army went to Rathe Mountains before they reached Faydwer? Of course those annoying dorfs wouldn't find any trace of them as they were never thereAlso, Joe said this was something he came up with on his own, a little bit of FanFiction if you will

CRLig

02-08-2008, 01:34 PM

I'm helping my friend doing Guardian's Epic questline, and the whole story is bound to this also. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />First, the quest stater is we players joined a "NEW" Steel Warriors, and they want us to find the sword which General Urduuk held in the wars. The background story you could read in Tome of Destiny.After we found the clues in Commonlands, a note told us some of his troops died because of the Greenmist, so we must head to Feerrott as the Rallosian empire for more clues.We found an ancient stone tablet there which not belongs to the Rallosian city, so it points to the Cazic-Thule Temple, after a quite of search we bring the Screaming Mace to Kelteez the Covetous, to trade the information about General Urduuk.So, we knew General Urduuk's soul has been bound by Cazic-Thule for punishment, and the place where we could find him is at the Shard of Fear.General Urduuk's soul has been caged and we must find something to dispel the cage, after we get the all four items as Fragment of Fear, Censer of Cazic, Sigil of Divine Undoing and Essence of a God Curse, we freed him but he escaped.We chased him to the Commonlands, where he died at the first time, again we killed him and reported to ghost of Vel'Arek, as known as the evil sword from Rallos Zek, it told us there were 8 military units of Rallosian of Glory brought it to Kunark for safe, and we must find the tags from the soldiers who saved it.We are still searching clues for the tags now <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

Gisallo

02-08-2008, 02:55 PM

<cite>DrkVsr wrote:</cite><blockquote>Did neither of you too read where Joe said the 3rd division of the Rallosian Army went to Rathe Mountains before they reached Faydwer? Of course those annoying dorfs wouldn't find any trace of them as they were never thereAlso, Joe said this was something he came up with on his own, a little bit of FanFiction if you will</blockquote>Yeah I noticed that. My main bit was, as you can see what caused the Rending. That, thanks to Vhalen, is no longer really up for debate. All for a little bit of Fan Fiction myself.

Piratejoe

02-08-2008, 11:23 PM

Yes my original post was a attempt too tie together events too explain the Rending (That and give a nice excuse too bring a new Evil Rallosian City and a path too restore old Norrath) However after reading what Vhalen said I believe Brells still resposible for the Rending. The gods cut themselfs off from Norrath almost 500 years ago and perhaps Brells needed a presence in Norrath too maintain the vast cavern complex's under Antonica. The cosmic turmoil the gods experianced when they cut themselfs off from Norrath was probably due too the fact they cut themselfs off from their worshipers and their source of power. They (the gods) had most likely in their arrogance believed they didnt need the mortals too survive but had grown dependant on them more then they had known. I still think Rallos Sek is going too be peeved for along time at Brell and Cazic, his goons may have been defeated along time ago on the Planes of Earth and theirs nothing he can do about that. But Brell and Cazic are 2 Dietys he knows and can do something about. This cosmic turmoil might have also been Rallos's rath and a war he raged against the other gods and their allies in revenge for their interferance during the 2nd Rallosian War.

Gisallo

02-09-2008, 07:38 PM

<cite>Piratejoe wrote:</cite><blockquote> Yes my original post was a attempt too tie together events too explain the Rending (That and give a nice excuse too bring a new Evil Rallosian City and a path too restore old Norrath) However after reading what Vhalen said I believe Brells still resposible for the Rending. The gods cut themselfs off from Norrath almost 500 years ago and perhaps Brells needed a presence in Norrath too maintain the vast cavern complex's under Antonica. The cosmic turmoil the gods experianced when they cut themselfs off from Norrath was probably due too the fact they cut themselfs off from their worshipers and their source of power. They (the gods) had most likely in their arrogance believed they didnt need the mortals too survive but had grown dependant on them more then they had known. I still think Rallos Sek is going too be peeved for along time at Brell and Cazic, his goons may have been defeated along time ago on the Planes of Earth and theirs nothing he can do about that. But Brell and Cazic are 2 Dietys he knows and can do something about. This cosmic turmoil might have also been Rallos's rath and a war he raged against the other gods and their allies in revenge for their interferance during the 2nd Rallosian War. </blockquote>The only problem with your first, and last idea is that Vhalen categorically says the rending was NOT caused by the gods but by the "celestial mechanics" of the Universe. Based on this I am guessing that The Nameless, when he created the multiverse, made not the beings but the various planes themselves dependant on each each similar to the weak analogy I made using the Castle. A problem with the idea that the gods "need" their followers for their personal power is that they created them. If they had that much power in the beginning why do they lack it now? They certainly are needed in their actions against the other gods, but in so far as themselves physically the people appear redunant. They are certainly dependant on the people to stop one god or another, through their people, from rising to primacy on the material Plane but that appears to be about it. I think this works nice with Vhalens idea and in a way with yours regarding their arrogance. They became so arrogant that they could not see past their own creations and so did not consider what effects there may be in using their power to isolate the Planes, the creations of The Nameless. Just as the mortals did not udnerstand what effect their "storming of the Planes" would cause to the other Planes in the arrogance of their growing power, the gods failed to consider the same in their sealing of the gates.