Information regarding Update 42!

[Gnobrin]

<p>There was mention in the past from Community staff that the update was to be the 5th of February (and stated prior that it was to be the latter part of January), but that information was incorrect due to this update's size and depth.  This update is planned to be released soon, but not today.</p><p>As soon as I get solid information as to that date and time, I shall post it here so you can get fully prepared for Game Update 42!</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p>

[shadowgate]

Thanks for the info!

[Kel]

You know.. I realize a lot of people said 'Any post would be nice.' but.. a post telling us what we already figured out on our own is kind of pointless, I think.I mean.. it's nice to have SOME communication, but when it basically boils down to 'Oh, we'll get to it eventually' that's a bit much.

[Wilde_Night]

Thanks for the heads up, Gnobrin!  I will sit and wait, eagerly anticipating all the goodies coming.  <rubs hands and laughs evily>

[tracheaspider]

Hey, long as they realized they screwed up and are (presumably) going to keep us in the loop for LU 42, fine by me.  Not that I forgive them for taking so @#$% long.  And not that I expect them to learn from this and not repeat the mistake next month or the month after.  But for now, I'll be glad to have a source of official and accurate-as-can-be info.

[Vortexelemental]

 /crys the anticipation is killing me ! come on i figured i would get home and download it ! now i need to wait longer ! nooooooooo ! /seizure anyways, darn =/

[Lint26]

<p>What does this mean with regards to the SOE message on the day on Runnyeye (and I assume splitpaw) which says:</p><p><b>This is a notification that UK worlds will be updated at 5:00am London Time on the 02/06/2008. The estimated downtime will be 2 hours.</b></p>

[Mustang8259]

<p>Keep up the great work guys! (That's definitly meant with a sarcastic note to it).  I love the game, but In all my years of playing many different MMO's i have never seen a company with such horrible communication between themselves and the public...  Like I said kudos on the content, but seriously guys, how many people did you lead to believe (myself included) that this was being patched today...  I'm disappointed to say the least, get your ___ together please!</p><p>- edited for spelling</p>

[Gladiia]

And people said that communication would not be met with more flames <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kiara-]

<p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">The best laid plans of mice and men...</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Everyone here should know that what is planned isn't always what happens.  Things come up.</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Thanks for letting us know and keeping us posted.</span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">And heck... just gives Niami more time to discover the tradeskill goodies on test for us <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span></p>

[Bloodfa]

<p>While disappointing to say the least, an official response is appreciated.  Especially one that acknowledges the other two "oops" dates.  Thanks.</p><p>Oh, and to the "Waaahhhhh" posters regarding something finally being said ... shaddup, I've told all my guildies "It's hitting on Tuesday the Xth" a few times already.  In fact more like every other day for nearly a month.  And get them all ramped up for it.  And held off on levelling some alts so I could still get XP from the revamped tradeskills.  It happens, and if your life is so turned around by this ... wow.  Counseling is available.  Seek it, and do so before you end up naked in a belltower with a high-powered rifle, giving the rest of us a bad name. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Vortexelemental]

mm i would be happy if we could get some conjy concept art love atleast, because if it follows our class helm in looks, sadly i wont be in to much of a rush to get it =/

[Avadale]

<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Keep up the great work guys! (That's definitly meant with a sarcastic note to it).  I love the game, but In all my years of playing many different MMO's i have never seen a company with such horrible communication between themselves and the public...  Like I said kudos on the content, but seriously guys, how many people did you lead to believe (myself included) that this was being patched today...  I'm disappointed to say the least, get your ___ together please!</p><p>- edited for spelling</p></blockquote><p>Egads - I just don't get it. </p><p>If they were to say nothing... people complain.</p><p>If they say something... people complain.</p><p>Some people only get joy by complaining I guess.</p><p>Get over it. Id rather wait a little bit for a more stable release than to just push it out knowing there are problems. Im sure you'd complain about a bug being rushed out with SOE patching today - so with you - its a lose - lose.</p><p>Im sure Ill get the usual "you are complaining about the complainers" reply. So be it.</p>

[Snarks]

<cite>Avadale wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Keep up the great work guys! (That's definitly meant with a sarcastic note to it).  I love the game, but In all my years of playing many different MMO's i have never seen a company with such horrible communication between themselves and the public...  Like I said kudos on the content, but seriously guys, how many people did you lead to believe (myself included) that this was being patched today...  I'm disappointed to say the least, get your ___ together please!</p><p>- edited for spelling</p></blockquote><p>Egads - I just don't get it. </p><p>If they were to say nothing... people complain.</p><p>If they say something... people complain.</p><p>Some people only get joy by complaining I guess.</p><p>Get over it. Id rather wait a little bit for a more stable release than to just push it out knowing there are problems. Im sure you'd complain about a bug being rushed out with SOE patching today - so with you - its a lose - lose.</p><p>Im sure Ill get the usual "you are complaining about the complainers" reply. So be it.</p></blockquote>The majority of this content was due on release. Waiting "a little bit" came and passed long ago.

[Mronin]

The problem comes not in Gnorbin's post, which I appreciate someone at Sony finally maning up and saying "we messed up the other release dates".  The problem comes with posts like Gnorbin's coming inevitably a day late and a dollar short.  I find it patently ridiculous that this could not have been stated last night on the forums so folks didn't get on today in anticipation of this update.  Yes we want it done right, but we also want to know what is going on and know if it needs to be delayed.  Information which should be available to core members within SoE who can then relay that information to the player base.  All were really asking for is better communication, something which is entirely doable on Sony's part but which is sorely lacking at times.

[44Dragon]

<cite>Avadale wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Keep up the great work guys! (That's definitly meant with a sarcastic note to it).  I love the game, but In all my years of playing many different MMO's i have never seen a company with such horrible communication between themselves and the public...  Like I said kudos on the content, but seriously guys, how many people did you lead to believe (myself included) that this was being patched today...  I'm disappointed to say the least, get your ___ together please!</p><p>- edited for spelling</p></blockquote><p>Egads - I just don't get it. </p><p>If they were to say nothing... people complain.</p><p>If they say something... people complain.</p><p>Some people only get joy by complaining I guess.</p><p>Get over it. Id rather wait a little bit for a more stable release than to just push it out knowing there are problems. Im sure you'd complain about a bug being rushed out with SOE patching today - so with you - its a lose - lose.</p><p>Im sure Ill get the usual "you are complaining about the complainers" reply. So be it.</p></blockquote><p>If people complain...other peopel will complain about it.</p><p>You realize that by complaining about about this you are doing just what they are doing?  </p><p>Everyone has a right to complain if they feel SOE isn't putting in 100%, and I guess everyone has a right to complain about the complaining.  </p><p>My head hurts now.  See what you made me do!?! <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Geothe]

<p>Nice to see that a week-long fire has delayed content that was supposed to be in ROK at release 3 months now.</p><p>*laughs*</p>

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Keep up the great work guys! (That's definitly meant with a sarcastic note to it).  I love the game, but In all my years of playing many different MMO's i have never seen a company with such horrible communication between themselves and the public... </p></blockquote>1. You haven't played that many MMO's2. You're exaggerating the quality of communication between those devs and the community.The only communication I recall getting from past MMO's has always been.. "We have decided to roll back 24-48 hours on all servers. We apologize for the inconvenience".I prefer the delay regardless if its announced or not. Reminds me of the Pinto drivers who tried to sue Ford because they demanded that the automobiles they ordered weren't delivered in a timely manner. And then 50 of them blew up. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[jagermiester]

Way to go SoE you guys really have your s£!t together. Are you serious? you tell us 7 hours after the normal patch time that there was no LU ? ARE YOU [I cannot control my vocabulary] KIDDING ME?

[Rashaak]

<cite>Jagerr@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>Way to go SoE you guys really have your s£!t together. Are you serious? you tell us 7 hours after the normal patch time that there was no LU ? ARE YOU [I cannot control my vocabulary] KIDDING ME?</blockquote><p>No...they are not kidding you...</p><p>In fact...you should just quit the game. I mean...wow! How could they delay new content from you for so long. You should teach them a lesson and cancel your subscription...sell all your stuff to a third party company and laugh in their faces!</p><p>Come on! Everyones doing it!!</p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Sola]

<cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There was mention in the past from Community staff that the update was to be the 5th of February (and stated prior that it was to be the latter part of January), but that information was incorrect due to this update's size and depth.  This update is planned to be released soon, but not today.</p><p>As soon as I get solid information as to that date and time, I shall post it here so you can get fully prepared for Game Update 42!</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p></blockquote><p>Well, it's good to know that an official post was put out to let us know the patch was delayed.  However, today IS the day the patch was set to go live, so it would be my presumption SOE knew it was not going live as of at least the day prior.  Since guilds and people plan raids and events around said schedule, it's only feasible to ask for a days notice.  I believe that is what upsets most people flaming on this issue and not so much the fact that it's pushed back again.</p><p>Anyhow, maybe we'll get lucky and they're working on fixing the <span style="font-size: xx-large;color: #33ff00;"><i>G<span style="color: #cc3300;">R</span><span style="color: #ffff00;">A</span><span style="color: #0000cc;">P</span><span style="color: #666666;">H</span><span style="color: #009900;">I</span><span style="color: #990000;">C</span></i><span style="color: #ff99cc;"><i>S</i><span style="font-size: x-small;"><i> </i><span style="color: #ffffff;">ENGINE!!!  I know, I'm probably asking too much, but we can always hope....</span></span></span></span></p>

[Troubor]

<cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote>You know.. I realize a lot of people said 'Any post would be nice.' but.. a post telling us what we already figured out on our own is kind of pointless, I think.I mean.. it's nice to have SOME communication, but when it basically boils down to 'Oh, we'll get to it eventually' that's a bit much.</blockquote><p>So...you're saying it would be better to either a)  Not say anything at all, so that they get accused of never communicating or b)  Making up a new date, so that people plan around the patch as they see fit, and then be disappointed?  <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I have said that SOE does seem lax sometimes with communicating, and I'm not retracting that statement now.  But he did post what he did know.  I will and can actually handle a "hey..wish I could give a date, but can't predict that yet" answer.  It is probably because they honestly can't.  They can't quite look at the pile of stuff left to do and narrow it down to an exact day yet.</p><p>Anyway, thanks for the headsup, even if you can't quite predict an exact day yet.  Hope it's this week, think I'll actually live though if it's a week later.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Gladiia]

But Gnobrin posted a comment on the 29th of January stating that the information from the french forums were not correct.  And apparently from there we just went and assumed (myself included...) that the update was still set for the 5th of Feb instead. 

[Calthine]

Poor Gnobrin.  He's really in a darned if you do, darned if you don't situation.I'd think everyone would know by now that sometimes QA finds something and holds updates.  Furthermore, the Epics don't seem to have been tested publicly, so I'm surprised that anyone is complaining that extra time is being taken.Seriously.  We can have:a) a "soft date" for the update that gets delayed and a note that it's not going out todayb) a hard date where they push things out no matter what and spend the next four weeks bug fixingc) no communication at allSeriously people, ease up. 

[Jesdyr]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote> Furthermore, the Epics don't seem to have been tested publicly, so I'm surprised that anyone is complaining that extra time is being taken.</blockquote>Dont you worry .. there will be 50x the complaining after the patch no matter how good/bad the Epics are or how good/bad the quests are. Personally I plan on complaining about the new bat particle effects being too small on the BatZapper.

[Sola]

Gnobrin does his job well.  I really doubt any of this was his fault.  Thanks Gnob for keeping us informed.  He's the messenger nothing more.  Let's not shoot the messenger for something that is outside his realm of control.

[Webin]

And also try to keep in mind... no one ever said "LU42 goes live on US servers Feb 5th".  Today isn't the scheduled patch day because the patch was never firmly scheduled.  People ASSUMED it was because of something a French dev posted (in french) in the EU forums.  Everyone seems to get such a sense of entitlement that a it really creates a lot of angst and hatred when there isn't any need for it.  Go play EQ, have fun.  They'll patch the game tomorrow (most likely) and you can start looking for your epic weapon tomorrow night (or Thursday, or next week, or whenever they decide the LU is ready for release).

[Calthine]

<cite>tracheaspider wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>I mean, gods forbid we have valid criticisms of SOE's lack of communication with the playerbase on major issues.</p></blockquote>Gods forbid that anyone disagree with you.

[Kel]

<cite>Webin@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>And also try to keep in mind... no one ever said "LU42 goes live on US servers Feb 5th".  Today isn't the scheduled patch day because the patch was never firmly scheduled.  People ASSUMED it was because of something a French dev posted (in french) in the EU forums.  Everyone seems to get such a sense of entitlement that a it really creates a lot of angst and hatred when there isn't any need for it.  Go play EQ, have fun.  They'll patch the game tomorrow (most likely) and you can start looking for your epic weapon tomorrow night (or Thursday, or next week, or whenever they decide the LU is ready for release).</blockquote>Incorrect. The whole reason this problem is here is because someone DID say that.

[Kel]

<cite>Sola wrote:</cite><blockquote>Gnobrin does his job well.  I really doubt any of this was his fault.  Thanks Gnob for keeping us informed.  He's the messenger nothing more.  Let's not shoot the messenger for something that is outside his realm of control.</blockquote>Actually, the reason people are [Removed for Content] off is because we had no notice of the patch NOT happening today, unlike we were informed.So, it was entirely inside his realm of control.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Gods forbid that anyone disagree with you.</blockquote>You're such a troll, Cal. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />It's kind of a turn on. XD

[jagermiester]

<cite>Rashaak wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jagerr@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>Way to go SoE you guys really have your s£!t together. Are you serious? you tell us 7 hours after the normal patch time that there was no LU ? ARE YOU [I cannot control my vocabulary] KIDDING ME?</blockquote><p>No...they are not kidding you...</p><p>In fact...you should just quit the game. I mean...wow! How could they delay new content from you for so long. You should teach them a lesson and cancel your subscription...sell all your stuff to a third party company and laugh in their faces!</p><p>Come on! Everyones doing it!!</p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>You (people like you)are the reason this [Removed for Content] keeps happening., You just sit there and think SoE can do no wrong while there is a huge issue with communication in this game. Alot of people had feb 5th as a hard date to roll out the epics work on the quests mabey GET SOME NEW [Removed for Content] CONTENT? Just do me a favor and when your done sucking off the [Removed for Content] Dev team wanna come on over to my place and finish me off too?

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Actually, the reason people are [Removed for Content] off is because we had no notice of the patch NOT happening today, <b>unlike we were informed.</b></blockquote>Where were you informed? There was no official announcement that today was the day. It was speculation and assumptions based on rumors.After doing a thorough search.. I found nothing more than a "This week.. maybe".

[jagermiester]

Well the thread where the french dev stated that it was going live on feb 5th has mysteriously gone missing also.....WTG

[Kel]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Actually, the reason people are [Removed for Content] off is because we had no notice of the patch NOT happening today, <b>unlike we were informed.</b></blockquote>Where were you informed? There was no official announcement that today was the day. It was speculation and assumptions based on rumors.After doing a thorough search.. I found nothing more than a "This week.. maybe".</blockquote>It was posted by a red named SoE employee of some sort on the french forums. And subsequently passed on every other forum, and then deleted from the SoE forums.

[Gladiia]

<cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Webin@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>And also try to keep in mind... no one ever said "LU42 goes live on US servers Feb 5th".  Today isn't the scheduled patch day because the patch was never firmly scheduled.  People ASSUMED it was because of something a French dev posted (in french) in the EU forums.  Everyone seems to get such a sense of entitlement that a it really creates a lot of angst and hatred when there isn't any need for it.  Go play EQ, have fun.  They'll patch the game tomorrow (most likely) and you can start looking for your epic weapon tomorrow night (or Thursday, or next week, or whenever they decide the LU is ready for release).</blockquote>Incorrect. The whole reason this problem is here is because someone DID say that.</blockquote><p>And gnobrin disputed that 7 days ago.</p><p>edit:  My bad, grimwell disputed it.</p>

[Vendolyn]

This is how I see it:As of this very moment, LU42 does not exist in my universe.  Due to its non existence, I can not be affected by something that does not exist.The thought of LU42 indeed excites me.  I loved getting epics with my two mains in EQ1 (2 box wonder, bard/shm!  O! Carpul Tunnel, how are you today?).When epics went live in EQ1, the servers nearly died.  Vox and Nagafen are something like 6 days 12 hours spawn times.  I got to raid Vox 4 times in one day due to server instability, flood of new players, untested content, serious bugs in the game, etc.In short, while new pixels would be nifty, I'd rather have functioning pixels than crashing ones.  And to this moment, said new pixels are something I can imagine, but do not exist.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>It was posted by a red named SoE employee of some sort on the french forums. And subsequently passed on every other forum, and then deleted from the SoE forums.</blockquote>Some sort of french forums... are we reaching a bit. I tend to watch the "Official Announcements" forum here.. and I'm much more patient as a result. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kel]

<cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Webin@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>And also try to keep in mind... no one ever said "LU42 goes live on US servers Feb 5th".  Today isn't the scheduled patch day because the patch was never firmly scheduled.  People ASSUMED it was because of something a French dev posted (in french) in the EU forums.  Everyone seems to get such a sense of entitlement that a it really creates a lot of angst and hatred when there isn't any need for it.  Go play EQ, have fun.  They'll patch the game tomorrow (most likely) and you can start looking for your epic weapon tomorrow night (or Thursday, or next week, or whenever they decide the LU is ready for release).</blockquote>Incorrect. The whole reason this problem is here is because someone DID say that.</blockquote><p>And gnobrin disputed that 7 days ago.</p><p>edit:  My bad, grimwell disputed it.</p></blockquote>Link? Considering you seem to be the only one who knows anything about it.

[SG_01]

<cite>Jagerr@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>You (people like you)are the reason this [I cannot control my vocabulary] keeps happening., You just sit there and think SoE can do no wrong while there is a huge issue with communication in this game. Alot of people had feb 5th as a hard date to roll out the epics work on the quests mabey GET SOME NEW [I cannot control my vocabulary] CONTENT? Just do me a favor and when your done sucking off the [I cannot control my vocabulary] Dev team wanna come on over to my place and finish me off too?</blockquote><p>Personally I'd rather have them delay an update than push out bad content. Quality before quanity! Though I guess you'd rather have broken quests, crash bugs, and other such stuff, as long as it's out before noon... Happy crashing!</p><p>Gnorbiin, your update is appreciated <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Kel]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>It was posted by a red named SoE employee of some sort on the french forums. And subsequently passed on every other forum, and then deleted from the SoE forums.</blockquote>Some sort of french forums... are we reaching a bit. I tend to watch the "Official Announcements" forum here.. and I'm much more patient as a result. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote>Not some sort of french forums, Some sort of SoE employee. Reading comprehension ftw. It was on the SoE french forums. You know, the ones on THIS board.I say some sort of employee because the post has.. 'gone missing' and I cannot check.

[Kel]

<cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jagerr@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>You (people like you)are the reason this [I cannot control my vocabulary] keeps happening., You just sit there and think SoE can do no wrong while there is a huge issue with communication in this game. Alot of people had feb 5th as a hard date to roll out the epics work on the quests mabey GET SOME NEW [I cannot control my vocabulary] CONTENT? Just do me a favor and when your done sucking off the [I cannot control my vocabulary] Dev team wanna come on over to my place and finish me off too?</blockquote><p>Personally I'd rather have them delay an update than push out bad content. Quality before quanity! Though I guess you'd rather have broken quests, crash bugs, and other such stuff, as long as it's out before noon... Happy crashing!</p><p>Gnorbiin, your update is appreciated <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></p></blockquote>No, I'd rather they roll out the stuff they DONT have broken that is already supposed to be in and push whatever is broken back to the next patch.At this point they're still trying to work on things we paid for when we bought RoK.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Gnorbiin, your update is appreciated <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></p></blockquote>Gnobrin does an excellent job. And, no I'm not going to visit anyone else's house to "finish them off". <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Gungo]

<p>There was NEVER a server downtime message on the network status page.</p><p>The server was NEVER going down for a patch.</p><p>Regardless of what TENTATIVE DATE people got from the french community rep who was trying to be nice and provide communication to her playerbase with a TENTATIVE date. </p><p>The fact is SOE is doing exactly what people have asked for TESTING CONTENT before it is released and provided a tentative date.</p><p>Let it go you will live on put the knife down and stop /wrist. </p><p>and seriously it was your fault for listening to the french. </p>

[tracheaspider]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>tracheaspider wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>I mean, gods forbid we have valid criticisms of SOE's lack of communication with the playerbase on major issues.</p></blockquote>Gods forbid that anyone disagree with you.</blockquote>Folks are more than welcome to disagree with me or anyone else.  Point is, they should try to disagree with <i>what we're actually talking about</i>, not snidely topple the straw men they are gleefully pretending we care the most about.

[Faithlight]

<p>How can SOE ever get issues with their community information management when they don't do such a thing ?</p><p>Always good to check for server downtimeson the online page knowing they happens to update it AFTER, at least too often to my taste, never trust it as a reliable source of information.</p><p>The way anyone SOE related seems to communicate with the players seems to be with a lawyer looking what they write, I'm surprised when one of them seems to be saying something of his own free will of any value.</p><p>Whatever the official date for this update is/will be/never will be said 3months after release, they should have known people were expecting them to do something today, hence if they didn't want to be bashed like they are right now they should have said something BEFORE not after.</p><p>EQ2 got issues but the biggest of them all is the communication, that's their absolute worst, they earnt my utmost distrust on that matter and the only good point about it is that sometime they surprise me being better than that, which is pretty much if they can speak outside of a script.</p>

[Gladiia]

<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=405184" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=405184</a></p><p>The statement on the french boards about the LU being pushed back to feb 5th was done before the 29th.  I think we all know now that thread cannot be reviewed.  But this statement here, is probably *why* that thread was removed.</p>

[jagermiester]

<cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jagerr@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>You (people like you)are the reason this [I cannot control my vocabulary] keeps happening., You just sit there and think SoE can do no wrong while there is a huge issue with communication in this game. Alot of people had feb 5th as a hard date to roll out the epics work on the quests mabey GET SOME NEW [I cannot control my vocabulary] CONTENT? Just do me a favor and when your done sucking off the [I cannot control my vocabulary] Dev team wanna come on over to my place and finish me off too?</blockquote><p>Personally I'd rather have them delay an update than push out bad content. Quality before quanity! Though I guess you'd rather have broken quests, crash bugs, and other such stuff, as long as it's out before noon... Happy crashing!</p><p>Gnorbiin, your update is appreciated <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /></p></blockquote>No, I'd rather they roll out the stuff they DONT have broken that is already supposed to be in and push whatever is broken back to the next patch.At this point they're still trying to work on things we paid for when we bought RoK.</blockquote>QFEThis is all old news. Epics were spose to be done. This is a joke at this point . I dont care about the lack of content i care about the lack of communication and the outright denying of previously stated information that was previously on these boards and is now no longer available. SoE has a long history of deleting any post that it finds questionable on these boards. Along with this is any post that can come back and bite them in the [Removed for Content] (such as the feb5 LU date on the epic quests). If you are all so blind to see this then this game is going to continue to push out [Removed for Content] quality 1/2 finished expansions so your little army of [Removed for Content] mid 50s alts can have a good old time never seeing anything in the game that matters.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>At this point they're still trying to work on things we paid for when we bought RoK.</blockquote>That's a joke right?It's an MMO.. its a persistent universe. It is always changing and being upgraded. How many hours by the way did you spend on the Test Servers providing bug reports and feedback? Not saying you didn't nor am I claiming that its the player's responsibility to do so. But, I'm curious. Anybody who's played MMO's in the past prior to EQ2 or even EQ1 knows that the test servers are the key to a flawless release. And, it seems that those who complain the most about flawed expansions, spent the least amount of time on the Test Servers.

[Galeden]

<p>Dang SOE should tell us for every single day 30 days in advance which days there are patches, which days there are downtimes and which days there AREN'T patches!  Geeze, it's seriously funny to hear some of the comments here.  So many people are upset about a date based completely on 2nd or 3rd hand information, and then complain and swear when it's wrong.  Its like hearing something from your best friend's sister's cousins former roommate (couldn't resist using the line) and then thinking it's an iron clad contract that that day it has to happen or you're owed an apology and compensation.  Sure I look forward to the patch as much as others, but even if it was stated somewhere official that that was the target date, that it's not set in stone, and this wasn't even posted anywhere official.  Please for the sake of your blood pressure take a deep breath, realize its just a game, and no reason to get this upset and take it out on every SOE employ like they did you a personal wrong.  I will happily wait till the update is released and (hopefully) see a good well done update.  Even if it saves even one patch to fix things later it will be worth the wait.</p>

[krrr]

<cite>Gungo@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There was NEVER a server downtime message on the network status page.</p><p>The server was NEVER going down for a patch.</p><p>Regardless of what TENTATIVE DATE people got from the french community rep who was trying to be nice and provide communication to her playerbase with a TENTATIVE date. </p><p>The fact is SOE is doing exactly what people have asked for TESTING CONTENT before it is released and provided a tentative date.</p><p>Let it go you will live on put the knife down and stop /wrist. </p><p>and seriously it was your fault for listening to the french. </p></blockquote>So instead of preventing [Removed for Content] storm that happens now they let it happen. Realy it is very simple to make 1 post that says "LU42 will not be released on 05.02.08".

[jagermiester]

This lu has been in the works for almost 2 months and has been delayed at least twice now. It is getting a little [Removed for Content] at this point.Look Epics!!Just kidding here buy some LoN cards!

[Mustang8259]

<p>The point of my earlier comment was that many posts had spread throughout the forums implying the patch was coming today.  Apparently this started from one post but then spread across and got referenced in other posts.  I'm not angry at Gnobrin in particular, more at SOE in general for not posting earlier (or last night) that it was still gonna be a while before it went live.  I have played many other MMOs, and one in my opinion that was a shining example of what public communication should be was the Camelot Herald from good old DAoC.  I'm not trying to point fingers and say it was any one particular persons fault or that they need to hurry up and rush out content, far from it, take all the time you need, but don't make posts saying that something is coming and then not follow through.  THAT is what is frustrating most people right now is communication, or the lack there of.  I will say in their defence at least they did post about it after the fact when people started wondering where the update was, that's a start in the right direction.  I don't think it's asking to much, just my 2 cents, feel free to disagree...</p>

[Miss_Jackie]

Are we still having something for Valentine's Day? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[tracheaspider]

<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The point of my earlier comment was that many posts had spread throughout the forums implying the patch was coming today.  Apparently this started from one post but then spread across and got referenced in other posts.  I'm not angry at Gnobrin in particular, more at SOE in general for not posting earlier (or last night) that it was still gonna be a while before it went live.  I have played many other MMOs, and one in my opinion that was a shining example of what public communication should be was the Camelot Herald from good old DAoC.  I'm not trying to point fingers and say it was any one particular persons fault or that they need to hurry up and rush out content, far from it, take all the time you need, but don't make posts saying that something is coming and then not follow through.  THAT is what is frustrating most people right now is communication, or the lack there of.  I will say in their defence at least they did post about it after the fact when people started wondering where the update was, that's a start in the right direction.  I don't think it's asking to much, just my 2 cents, feel free to disagree...</p></blockquote>All you idiot fanbois need to listen to this person.  Just read what s/he wrote over and over and let it sink the @#$% into your tiny skulls.

[SG_01]

<cite>Jagerr@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jagerr@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>You (people like you)are the reason this [I cannot control my vocabulary] keeps happening., You just sit there and think SoE can do no wrong while there is a huge issue with communication in this game. Alot of people had feb 5th as a hard date to roll out the epics work on the quests mabey GET SOME NEW [I cannot control my vocabulary] CONTENT? Just do me a favor and when your done sucking off the [I cannot control my vocabulary] Dev team wanna come on over to my place and finish me off too?</blockquote><p>Personally I'd rather have them delay an update than push out bad content. Quality before quanity! Though I guess you'd rather have broken quests, crash bugs, and other such stuff, as long as it's out before noon... Happy crashing!</p><p>Gnorbiin, your update is appreciated <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" /></p></blockquote>No, I'd rather they roll out the stuff they DONT have broken that is already supposed to be in and push whatever is broken back to the next patch.At this point they're still trying to work on things we paid for when we bought RoK.</blockquote>QFEThis is all old news. Epics were spose to be done. This is a joke at this point . I dont care about the lack of content i care about the lack of communication and the outright denying of previously stated information that was previously on these boards and is now no longer available. SoE has a long history of deleting any post that it finds questionable on these boards. Along with this is any post that can come back and bite them in the [I cannot control my vocabulary] (such as the feb5 LU date on the epic quests). If you are all so blind to see this then this game is going to continue to push out [I cannot control my vocabulary] quality 1/2 finished expansions so your little army of [I cannot control my vocabulary] mid 50s alts can have a good old time never seeing anything in the game that matters.</blockquote><p>Seriously, the joke is on you! You obviously have no clue how an update is created, and what goes into it. (And I may hope to never see either of you as a coworker.) Updates like this are a unity, you can't break them into pieces easily, it would take about a weeks time to remove the parts that are broken, and make sure there is nothing else wrong with the whole picture. A week in which I'd rather see them try and fix this stuff. </p><p>Anyhow, I doubt you've even seen half the content if you've only taken a week to level to the next cap. My main was long 70 by the time RoK came around, and I take my time to go through the stuff rather than rush to the end and miss all the fun stuff!</p>

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Galeden wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Dang SOE should tell us for every single day 30 days in advance which days there are patches, which days there are downtimes and which days there AREN'T patches!</p></blockquote>I have a Bat Phone hooked up to Grimwell's apartment. I get this information constantly as well as stuff that I shouldn't hear. /shuddersOnce again.. it comes down to those who believe their $15 is just as valuable as somebody who has $15,000 invested in SOE stock. Devs are not being lazy. The producers are not ignoring their customers. The GMs are not drinking beer out of kegs on the fantasized release day of patches.People need to relax. Gawd.. this is like the release day of the PS3 where people were trampled to death just to get to Electronics aisle to get their hands on one.

[Vonotar]

<cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=405184" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=405184</a></p><p>The statement on the french boards about the LU being pushed back to feb 5th was done before the 29th.  I think we all know now that thread cannot be reviewed.  But this statement here, is probably *why* that thread was removed.</p></blockquote>Proof positive that the "French Dev" post existed.  In fact Grimwell's reply doesn't dispute that the LU would be going live on the 5th Feb, he only disputes that it was originally scheduled for 29th Jan.Naturally this post will be followed by another four by Spiderbyte asking for proof of where anybody said 5th Feb... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Reading between the lines... the LU was rescheduled fairly early on for 5th Feb, a french rep reported this information when french users queried the lack of LU at the end of january.  Since then the LU was pushed back 24-48 hours and nobody thought they needed to tell the playerbase because the Dev Team didn't know that a french rep had already released the information and Grimwell didn't inform them (or didn't remember about the post when word came through that the LU was rescheduled).Fact is, if they were more upfront about what they were doing, and the timescales involved, we wouldn't have so much bogus information flying around and repeated dashed hopes. "Careless talk costs lives" is the old saying, and one which Sony appears to have adopted, the problem is that the playerbase is not the third reiche and does not deserve being treated as an 'enemy' to confuse and mislead.P.S. my other half says give her the Dev phone numbers and she'll run Dev - Player communications for you... can't be much worse than the existing setup.

[Kel]

<cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=405184" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=405184</a></p><p>The statement on the french boards about the LU being pushed back to feb 5th was done before the 29th.  I think we all know now that thread cannot be reviewed.  But this statement here, is probably *why* that thread was removed.</p></blockquote>That doesn't say ANYTHING about GU42 not being on the 5th. It says that people mistook what the french rep said as the GU being on the 29th.They purposely let people believe that the GU was going to be today, knowing full well it wouldn't be going live- whether that decision was made at 3am last night or at 5pm on january 1st, they should have informed the public of as much AS SOON AS the SOE rep posted saying it was going to be on the 5th.It's a failure entirely placeable on SoE's public communication, which happens to be faced by Grimwell and Gnorbin, placing the blame squarely at their feet.Edit- And if you want to claim they didn't know the public thought the GU was today.. well, you'd be claiming they are mentally [Removed for Content].

[Gladiia]

<p>Oy.</p><p>I think no one actually cares that there <i>was </i>communication about this before today stating there was no date determined yet for the LU, and that the information on the french boards was wrong.</p>

[Vonotar]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Galeden wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Dang SOE should tell us for every single day 30 days in advance which days there are patches, which days there are downtimes and which days there AREN'T patches!</p></blockquote>I have a Bat Phone hooked up to Grimwell's apartment. I get this information constantly as well as stuff that I shouldn't hear. /shuddersOnce again.. it comes down to those who believe their $15 is just as valuable as somebody who has $15,000 invested in SOE stock. Devs are not being lazy. The producers are not ignoring their customers. The GMs are not drinking beer out of kegs on the fantasized release day of patches.People need to relax. Gawd.. this is like the release day of the PS3 where people were trampled to death just to get to Electronics aisle to get their hands on one.</blockquote>???You have a Bat Phone?Well if you get that sort of information for your $15, we want it too!  Or are you implying that your a $15,000 SoE stockholder?(if somebody works out what the heck he's talking about please PM me!)

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Naturally this post will be followed by another four by Spiderbyte asking for proof of where anybody said 5th Feb... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Nope. My point would be.. why complain if it is delayed? Do you really need it that badly? Is your game ruined by a delay of one or two days? What would you be doing in game right now if you never knew this GU was coming out?I suspect playing as usual. Just like the rest of us. And, your blood pressure would be much lower.

[Buttcliffe]

So this update is basically going to be fixing tons of things that were wrong with RoK when it shipped? So you could really call this the opening of RoK we've just been helping sony fix their beta quality version of RoK these past 3 months

[Kel]

<cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jagerr@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>SG_01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jagerr@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote>You (people like you)are the reason this [I cannot control my vocabulary] keeps happening., You just sit there and think SoE can do no wrong while there is a huge issue with communication in this game. Alot of people had feb 5th as a hard date to roll out the epics work on the quests mabey GET SOME NEW [I cannot control my vocabulary] CONTENT? Just do me a favor and when your done sucking off the [I cannot control my vocabulary] Dev team wanna come on over to my place and finish me off too?</blockquote><p>Personally I'd rather have them delay an update than push out bad content. Quality before quanity! Though I guess you'd rather have broken quests, crash bugs, and other such stuff, as long as it's out before noon... Happy crashing!</p><p>Gnorbiin, your update is appreciated <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" /></p></blockquote>No, I'd rather they roll out the stuff they DONT have broken that is already supposed to be in and push whatever is broken back to the next patch.At this point they're still trying to work on things we paid for when we bought RoK.</blockquote>QFEThis is all old news. Epics were spose to be done. This is a joke at this point . I dont care about the lack of content i care about the lack of communication and the outright denying of previously stated information that was previously on these boards and is now no longer available. SoE has a long history of deleting any post that it finds questionable on these boards. Along with this is any post that can come back and bite them in the [I cannot control my vocabulary] (such as the feb5 LU date on the epic quests). If you are all so blind to see this then this game is going to continue to push out [I cannot control my vocabulary] quality 1/2 finished expansions so your little army of [I cannot control my vocabulary] mid 50s alts can have a good old time never seeing anything in the game that matters.</blockquote><p>Seriously, the joke is on you! You obviously have no clue how an update is created, and what goes into it. (And I may hope to never see either of you as a coworker.) Updates like this are a unity, you can't break them into pieces easily, it would take about a weeks time to remove the parts that are broken, and make sure there is nothing else wrong with the whole picture. A week in which I'd rather see them try and fix this stuff. </p><p>Anyhow, I doubt you've even seen half the content if you've only taken a week to level to the next cap. My main was long 70 by the time RoK came around, and I take my time to go through the stuff rather than rush to the end and miss all the fun stuff!</p></blockquote>You're full of it. Were the patch to be changing a lot of pre-existing content and RELY on eachother to go live, then yes. But epic quests, ARMOR MANNEQUINS, tradeskill cloaks.. these don't rely on eachother to exist. And if they do.. there are going to be a lot of weird-[Removed for Content], nonsensical steps to these quests.They are put together from pieces. It's not like the developers sitting in the different rooms are pulling threads from one piece of string and aren't allowed to entirely seperate them. Each one is a seperate identity that can be added on its own. The only reason all the epics are going in at once is because of how [Removed for Content] people were about the hats going in seperately.As for claiming I 'missed all the fun stuff' - RoK has been out for just shy of three months. You have no idea how much time I've put in daily in those three months. Short of raids above t2 because of my schedule being completely screwed, I've seen just about every square inch of RoK. You know what I've 'missed out on'? The tradeskill quests. Because tradeskilling in eq2 is like beating my face against a freshly tarred road as cars drive overhead. Well, not quite, since that would actually hold SOME interest. All the 'fun stuff' I haven't seen yet that is actually interesting to me in the least? Yeah, that would be the ROK stuff THEY HAVEN'T PUT IN, THREE MONTHS LATER.(And for those of you who like to claim people need to calm down, This is actually quite calming. I enjoy arguing. So shut it. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />)

[SG_01]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Galeden wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Dang SOE should tell us for every single day 30 days in advance which days there are patches, which days there are downtimes and which days there AREN'T patches!</p></blockquote>I have a Bat Phone hooked up to Grimwell's apartment. I get this information constantly as well as stuff that I shouldn't hear. /shuddersOnce again.. it comes down to those who believe their $15 is just as valuable as somebody who has $15,000 invested in SOE stock. Devs are not being lazy. The producers are not ignoring their customers. The GMs are not drinking beer out of kegs on the fantasized release day of patches.People need to relax. Gawd.. this is like the release day of the PS3 where people were trampled to death just to get to Electronics aisle to get their hands on one.</blockquote>???You have a Bat Phone?Well if you get that sort of information for your $15, we want it too!  Or are you implying that your a $15,000 SoE stockholder?(if somebody works out what the heck he's talking about please PM me!)</blockquote>I think he's talking press, or he'd better be <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[shalom]

<p>I'm gonna ROFL when the servers come down tomorrow and it turns out to be a hotfix for something critical like tracking and mount icons....</p>

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>You have a Bat Phone?Well if you get that sort of information for your $15, we want it too!  Or are you implying that your a $15,000 SoE stockholder?(if somebody works out what the heck he's talking about please PM me!)</blockquote>Its called humor. Its an attempt to diffuse some of the frustration that's erupted over something that none of us have anything over.Yet throwing tantrums in the forums like little kids who don't get the piece of candy in the express line at the grocery store seems to be the forte.More power to you.. but I guarantee that the GU isn't getting published before it's ready regardless of how much you kick and scream.You have one vote with your subscription. Cancel it or don't. People threaten to do the same thing every day. In every game out there. But, when you go to the bar and go "I just canceled my EQ2 subscription.. that'll show them!" your mates are going to look at you really, really funny. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kel]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Naturally this post will be followed by another four by Spiderbyte asking for proof of where anybody said 5th Feb... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Nope. My point would be.. why complain if it is delayed? Do you really need it that badly? Is your game ruined by a delay of one or two days? What would you be doing in game right now if you never knew this GU was coming out?I suspect playing as usual. Just like the rest of us. And, your blood pressure would be much lower.</blockquote>One or two *more* days. In which we have only the ability to redo things we've already done.Which isn't horrible, no. But you know what? They've been holding the epics and things out in front of us like carrots on a stick- and every time they push this patch back, more people decide the carrot isn't worth it any longer.I won't be quitting over, but there are a LOT of people who are understandably upset over the ridiculous lack of communication and obvious failure in the developmental department here with LU42.

[InsertNeko]

<i>Hay guys, when ROK comes out in November it'll have Epic weapons for every class (48 total, legendary and fabled), and T8 Avatars will return when it goes live. Man I can't wait. </i>Well, maybe we'll get them next expansion, maybe in time to hit level 90 so we can replace them in a few weeks after we get them. I didn't know the Fires in Cali  excuse was still valid. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />How hard is it, just to talk to us, and explain things?

[Catria]

<cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote>You know.. I realize a lot of people said 'Any post would be nice.' but.. a post telling us what we already figured out on our own is kind of pointless, I think.I mean.. it's nice to have SOME communication, but when it basically boils down to 'Oh, we'll get to it eventually' that's a bit much.</blockquote><p>Give Gnobrin a break!  I for one very much appreciate at least knowing that someone cares to let us know what's happening, even if it is a "wait and see" issue.  We have waited a long time for the epic quests, so a few more days won't kill us.  I'll just be happy to know a bit in advance so I can schedule my time accordingly. </p><p>Thanks Gnobrin!!  *big hug*</p>

[Grimwell]

A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li><li>Those dates were bad information. Yes, they were handled by a red name, and in the best of intent, but that is why I corrected on the 29th notice, and also why the notice about the 5th is gone. When you can't link to it, you should assume you can no longer trust it. [And stop being mean to my "French Rep" !!]</li><li>Multiple teams have been working on many of the things slated for GU42 for quite some time. That means there are multiple opportunities for a nasty bug to sneak through, or a graphical effect to not hook up properly, or for a quest NPC to fail to give out the proper quest, or for a mannequin to carry the wrong name/label, or (insert your own patch day nightmare here). We are quite fond of not having things like that happen, and that means that the teams are taking all the time they need to ensure that they don't have issues on any level.</li><li>Count on an issue or two anyway. Murphy's Law will always win.</li><li>You are still expected to maintain proper decorum in the forums. A few people are using naughty words and making attacks on others who don't think like they do. I understand that we are all excited about some of the seriously cool content headed toward EQII; but we cannot abandon civility in these forums in favor of that excitement. </li><li>In plain English, #6 means "Play nice or you will have extra time to quest for your epics.. cause you will be on vacation from the forums."</li></ol>Hold steady, take a deep breath, and trust that Gnobrin is very accessible to the teams working on this update, and when they give him the thumbs up, he's going to share the good news with all of us. I can't wait either!

[Winter]

<span style="font-size: medium;color: #ff66ff;">Think of it this way guys - would you rather they rush it in ANY regard and leave something unfinished/not working up to par/or affecting servers negatively? There are reasons for delays, it's just part of the process. It may not be ideal for an individual's plans, but it's better for the masses if it must happen.</span>

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I won't be quitting over, but there are a LOT of people who are understandably upset over the ridiculous lack of communication and obvious failure in the developmental department here with LU42.</blockquote>Or 41, or 40, or 39 or 38... you get the idea.You do realize that the definition of Insanity is to do the same thing over and over again, yet always expecting a different outcome? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kel]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>I won't be quitting over, but there are a LOT of people who are understandably upset over the ridiculous lack of communication and obvious failure in the developmental department here with LU42.</blockquote>Or 41, or 40, or 39 or 38... you get the idea.You do realize that the definition of Insanity is to do the same thing over and over again, yet always expecting a different outcome? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote>Meh- I'm not doing the same thing again. I never post on these forums typically, I'm just bored as I'd slated this afternoon as time to work on the epics and I'm too sick to go out and get something worthwhile done in the world. So it's either get back in bed or stick to the forums and try to understand why you people think it's okay for them not to give us ANY information whatsoever. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Equinon]

<p>This is actually quite hilarious to read from time to time.  Sadly, Sony has never really been good at communication.  They have gotten worse over the past few years.  AND, just when you have it figured out as how to do certain things (like petition)....they change it <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> [Removed for Content]</p><p>Seriously though, Communication has always been the issue and will probably continue to be one of the biggest issues (second only to false promises and hype of the upcoming).  Due at release and postponed until first LU of the new year (I'm cool with that.....now).  But LU's are very very secretive and they have to be tested and re-tested, tweaked and re-tested again, etc, etc.  Any leak of this information (i.e. screenshots to actually show progress and not just a "trust me&quot<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> would be dire in itself.  If somebody was to leak any info or pics or possible, maybe, actual release date planned for <b>June of 2008</b> (still would be the first LU if they wanted it to be [Removed for Content])......then said person would have to be taken out back behind the local fast food joint and kicked 12 times, stabbed 16 times and shot 4 times (in that order).  Curse the person who gives those false hopes and miscommunication to the world!</p><p>Really people.......it's easy.  Sony will push this out when they want to, tell you about it when they see fit and (regardless of how many times they test it) still spend the next 4-8 weeks removing bugs <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  We on the other hand will go on our marry way and continue to play the game like we always do, just with a bit more of an acidic taste in the mouth <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  Nothing changes, you're now just a little bit more upset.  Sony hasn't changed a bit, but we still play on.  You know you'll be there......Sony knows you'll be there.....if nothing drastic enough has made you leave yet, nothing drastic enough is going to make you.  It's going to take a better game and better company to make you leave, drama and lack of info won't do it.  Either way.......See ya.......OR (more likely of the two) See ya in game <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> hehe</p><p>Oh darn, spent too much time writing........I hear my toons calling out to me and I need my fix......laters.......Flame on <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>(and yes, most of this was meant to be rhetorical.......but it's up to you to pick it apart like you do all the other posts <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> [Removed for Content]</p>

[Vonotar]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Naturally this post will be followed by another four by Spiderbyte asking for proof of where anybody said 5th Feb... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2786c5c8e1a8be796fb2f726cca5a0fe.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Nope. My point would be.. why complain if it is delayed? Do you really need it that badly? Is your game ruined by a delay of one or two days? What would you be doing in game right now if you never knew this GU was coming out?I suspect playing as usual. Just like the rest of us. And, your blood pressure would be much lower.</blockquote>Nothing wrong with my blood pressure, and I am playing as usual.  However i've been monitoring the forums and you have consistantly ask for proof that a 'red name' said 5th Feb and been stating that no such post exists.  To the point that when enough people state the post has been deleted you move on to another thread and start all over again.  Then you wonder why some people have high blood pressure.I don't mind waiting, I just wish Sony would be up front and honest about their release schedule.  We <b>still</b> don't have any guide dates/times, just the usual "Soon(tm)"People will plan their Everquesting around events, both in the real world and the world of Norrath, this shouldn't be a surprise to anybody.  Those of us in high(er) pressure jobs will often plan a gaming session around an in-game event or guild-event, it's a reward for working hard to pay the bills.  When that reward fails to materialise it's not surprising that people get upset.  Is it Sony's fault, well not really, but they don't help the playerbase by allowing incorrect information to appear all over their own forums.Either today <b>was</b> the right day, and it was a very last minute change (i.e. before Gnobrin/Grimwell/et al awoke) or our community representatives were struck by a week long blindness that made it impossible for them to see the multitude of posts stating Feb 5th (player posts admittedly, but reviewing forum content is their job).

[Kel]

<cite>Winter wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;color: #ff66ff;">Think of it this way guys - would you rather they rush it in ANY regard and leave something unfinished/not working up to par/or affecting servers negatively? There are reasons for delays, it's just part of the process. It may not be ideal for an individual's plans, but it's better for the masses if it must happen.</span></blockquote>Considering the majority of this GU is going untested, it's going to be broken no matter how much they rush it at this point.

[SG_01]

<cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote>You're full of it. Were the patch to be changing a lot of pre-existing content and RELY on eachother to go live, then yes. But epic quests, ARMOR MANNEQUINS, tradeskill cloaks.. these don't rely on eachother to exist. And if they do.. there are going to be a lot of weird-[I cannot control my vocabulary], nonsensical steps to these quests.They are put together from pieces. It's not like the developers sitting in the different rooms are pulling threads from one piece of string and aren't allowed to entirely seperate them. Each one is a seperate identity that can be added on its own. The only reason all the epics are going in at once is because of how [Removed for Content] people were about the hats going in seperately.As for claiming I 'missed all the fun stuff' - RoK has been out for just shy of three months. You have no idea how much time I've put in daily in those three months. Short of raids above t2 because of my schedule being completely screwed, I've seen just about every square inch of RoK. You know what I've 'missed out on'? The tradeskill quests. Because tradeskilling in eq2 is like beating my face against a freshly tarred road as cars drive overhead. Well, not quite, since that would actually hold SOME interest. All the 'fun stuff' I haven't seen yet that is actually interesting to me in the least? Yeah, that would be the ROK stuff THEY HAVEN'T PUT IN, THREE MONTHS LATER.(And for those of you who like to claim people need to calm down, This is actually quite calming. I enjoy arguing. So shut it. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />)</blockquote><p>They're still build as a single package. And quests, itemization databases, are thoroughly linked toghether. As such the armor mannequins are in the same item database as the epics are. And the epic quests are in the same database as those for the Erolissi day events. Both of these are probably massive by now, and highly likely split up into multiple files all togehter. Also, the epics themselves probably arn't anything special, just more items. Next to that, it's usually very hard to find what exactly is broken. Usually these kinds of bugs affect a whole lot more than is initially visible.</p><p>And alright, I'll give you that you could have put in a lot more time than me. I work 10 - 6.30 and I traffel for 4.5 hours each day, so I really only have time to play in the weekends, if I decide I don't happen to want to do anything else.</p><p>Still, if you've already waiting 3 months, do you really want half-[Removed for Content] quest lines for the next 3 months? Or would you rather they work on fixing it and putting the epics in within the upcomming month?</p>

[Kel]

<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li><li>Those dates were bad information. Yes, they were handled by a red name, and in the best of intent, but that is why I corrected on the 29th notice, and also why the notice about the 5th is gone. When you can't link to it, you should assume you can no longer trust it. [And stop being mean to my "French Rep" !!]</li><li>Multiple teams have been working on many of the things slated for GU42 for quite some time. That means there are multiple opportunities for a nasty bug to sneak through, or a graphical effect to not hook up properly, or for a quest NPC to fail to give out the proper quest, or for a mannequin to carry the wrong name/label, or (insert your own patch day nightmare here). We are quite fond of not having things like that happen, and that means that the teams are taking all the time they need to ensure that they don't have issues on any level.</li><li>Count on an issue or two anyway. Murphy's Law will always win.</li><li>You are still expected to maintain proper decorum in the forums. A few people are using naughty words and making attacks on others who don't think like they do. I understand that we are all excited about some of the seriously cool content headed toward EQII; but we cannot abandon civility in these forums in favor of that excitement. </li><li>In plain English, #6 means "Play nice or you will have extra time to quest for your epics.. cause you will be on vacation from the forums."</li></ol>Hold steady, take a deep breath, and trust that Gnobrin is very accessible to the teams working on this update, and when they give him the thumbs up, he's going to share the good news with all of us. I can't wait either!</blockquote>I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?

[Vonotar]

<cite>Winter wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;color: #ff66ff;">Think of it this way guys - would you rather they rush it in ANY regard and leave something unfinished/not working up to par/or affecting servers negatively? There are reasons for delays, it's just part of the process. It may not be ideal for an individual's plans, but it's better for the masses if it must happen.</span></blockquote>I agree Winter, but thats not what is upsetting *most* people.  It's the lack of communication that is the problem.  Grimwell says the Feb 5th date was "bad information" but why did he wait until today to say that?Or do the Community Reps get their information from the forums and not the other way around???

[Odalia]

I know someone has said it too but are we getting the Erollis stuff, Epics I can wait for I am on'y 74/63 Warden/Carpenter but I would love to see at least that stuff patched in only 9 days to Valentines Day.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Nothing wrong with my blood pressure, and I am playing as usual.  However i've been monitoring the forums and you have consistantly ask for proof that a 'red name' said 5th Feb and been stating that no such post exists.  To the point that when enough people state the post has been deleted you move on to another thread and start all over again.  Then you wonder why some people have high blood pressure.</blockquote>I only asked once actually. :/Regardless... you all keep pounding against the walls and such.In the meantime.. I'll watch the "Official Announcements" forum for.. well.. "official announcements" and not get worked up over something said and removed in "some french forum".

[Themaginator]

<cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li><li>Those dates were bad information. Yes, they were handled by a red name, and in the best of intent, but that is why I corrected on the 29th notice, and also why the notice about the 5th is gone. When you can't link to it, you should assume you can no longer trust it. [And stop being mean to my "French Rep" !!]</li><li>Multiple teams have been working on many of the things slated for GU42 for quite some time. That means there are multiple opportunities for a nasty bug to sneak through, or a graphical effect to not hook up properly, or for a quest NPC to fail to give out the proper quest, or for a mannequin to carry the wrong name/label, or (insert your own patch day nightmare here). We are quite fond of not having things like that happen, and that means that the teams are taking all the time they need to ensure that they don't have issues on any level.</li><li>Count on an issue or two anyway. Murphy's Law will always win.</li><li>You are still expected to maintain proper decorum in the forums. A few people are using naughty words and making attacks on others who don't think like they do. I understand that we are all excited about some of the seriously cool content headed toward EQII; but we cannot abandon civility in these forums in favor of that excitement. </li><li>In plain English, #6 means "Play nice or you will have extra time to quest for your epics.. cause you will be on vacation from the forums."</li></ol>Hold steady, take a deep breath, and trust that Gnobrin is very accessible to the teams working on this update, and when they give him the thumbs up, he's going to share the good news with all of us. I can't wait either!</blockquote>reason has no place here Grim!  People took works off for this *rolls eyes*its serious business!!!hahayeah.....

[SG_01]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Winter wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="font-size: medium;color: #ff66ff;">Think of it this way guys - would you rather they rush it in ANY regard and leave something unfinished/not working up to par/or affecting servers negatively? There are reasons for delays, it's just part of the process. It may not be ideal for an individual's plans, but it's better for the masses if it must happen.</span></blockquote>I agree Winter, but thats not what is upsetting *most* people.  It's the lack of communication that is the problem.  Grimwell says the Feb 5th date was "bad information" but why did he wait until today to say that?Or do the Community Reps get their information from the forums and not the other way around???</blockquote>In this case, ironically enough, I think that is the case. Since 1. It was a mistake by a representative and 2. It was in a language he probably couldn't even read. I'm guessing that this post is here in reaction to a private message to one of the red names <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Grimwell]

Yes, true. Indeed a very possible better path to follow in the future.That said, some days you just end up going home feeling like this (no matter what you do):<img src="http://www.grimwell.com/images/fun/pitbullquill.JPG" alt="" border="0" />Ouch!

[Kel]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Nothing wrong with my blood pressure, and I am playing as usual.  However i've been monitoring the forums and you have consistantly ask for proof that a 'red name' said 5th Feb and been stating that no such post exists.  To the point that when enough people state the post has been deleted you move on to another thread and start all over again.  Then you wonder why some people have high blood pressure.</blockquote>I only asked once actually. :/Regardless... you all keep pounding against the walls and such.In the meantime.. I'll watch the "Official Announcements" forum for.. well.. "official announcements" and not get worked up over something said and removed in "some french forum".</blockquote>No.. what honestly kills me is that after having decided TODAY to quash the 'rumor' that GU42 went live.. TODAY, they can't put it in until at least next week. Because they are going to have a backlash as bad as they did today, at least, if they put in a GU with one days notice.

[Gladiia]

<cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li><li>Those dates were bad information. Yes, they were handled by a red name, and in the best of intent, but that is why I corrected on the 29th notice, and also why the notice about the 5th is gone. When you can't link to it, you should assume you can no longer trust it. [And stop being mean to my "French Rep" !!]</li><li>Multiple teams have been working on many of the things slated for GU42 for quite some time. That means there are multiple opportunities for a nasty bug to sneak through, or a graphical effect to not hook up properly, or for a quest NPC to fail to give out the proper quest, or for a mannequin to carry the wrong name/label, or (insert your own patch day nightmare here). We are quite fond of not having things like that happen, and that means that the teams are taking all the time they need to ensure that they don't have issues on any level.</li><li>Count on an issue or two anyway. Murphy's Law will always win.</li><li>You are still expected to maintain proper decorum in the forums. A few people are using naughty words and making attacks on others who don't think like they do. I understand that we are all excited about some of the seriously cool content headed toward EQII; but we cannot abandon civility in these forums in favor of that excitement. </li><li>In plain English, #6 means "Play nice or you will have extra time to quest for your epics.. cause you will be on vacation from the forums."</li></ol>Hold steady, take a deep breath, and trust that Gnobrin is very accessible to the teams working on this update, and when they give him the thumbs up, he's going to share the good news with all of us. I can't wait either!</blockquote>I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?</blockquote>You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?

[Hekynn]

keep it up SoE <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I wouldnt be surprised if ya guys do decide to put in more character models like updating them etc etc <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> but still let us people that has old pcs still run the game =)

[Vonotar]

<cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li></ol></blockquote>I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?</blockquote>You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?</blockquote>Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding

[Kel]

<cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li><li>Those dates were bad information. Yes, they were handled by a red name, and in the best of intent, but that is why I corrected on the 29th notice, and also why the notice about the 5th is gone. When you can't link to it, you should assume you can no longer trust it. [And stop being mean to my "French Rep" !!]</li><li>Multiple teams have been working on many of the things slated for GU42 for quite some time. That means there are multiple opportunities for a nasty bug to sneak through, or a graphical effect to not hook up properly, or for a quest NPC to fail to give out the proper quest, or for a mannequin to carry the wrong name/label, or (insert your own patch day nightmare here). We are quite fond of not having things like that happen, and that means that the teams are taking all the time they need to ensure that they don't have issues on any level.</li><li>Count on an issue or two anyway. Murphy's Law will always win.</li><li>You are still expected to maintain proper decorum in the forums. A few people are using naughty words and making attacks on others who don't think like they do. I understand that we are all excited about some of the seriously cool content headed toward EQII; but we cannot abandon civility in these forums in favor of that excitement. </li><li>In plain English, #6 means "Play nice or you will have extra time to quest for your epics.. cause you will be on vacation from the forums."</li></ol>Hold steady, take a deep breath, and trust that Gnobrin is very accessible to the teams working on this update, and when they give him the thumbs up, he's going to share the good news with all of us. I can't wait either!</blockquote>I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?</blockquote>You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?</blockquote>A link to a statement made ABOUT A DIFFERENT POST THAN THE ONE I AM SPEAKING OF. Note that these would be items 1 AND 2 on Grim's list. He refuted the 29th. He, apparently, deleted the note about the 5th, but did not SAY anything about it.My point was that perhaps, next time, instead of allowing the entire community to continue in the belief that the 5th was the patch date(And if he is a community manage of any sort and DIDNT know we were ALL under this belief...) perhaps a SECOND post refuting it would have been a good idea. Earlier than, you know, hours after everyone has already decided to be rather upset.To be honest, I don't dislike grim. I don't think he's doing a horrible job. I don't want to see him fired. I just think he made a rather large mistake in this one matter, seeing as how the community has been under this assumption, rather loudly, for over a week.

[Gladiia]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li></ol></blockquote>I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?</blockquote>You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?</blockquote>Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding</blockquote>The false statement regarding the update being today was made <b>before</b> january 29th. 

[Equinon]

<p>OMG........easy way out Sony.......Listen up!!!</p><p>Post the release date of the LU to be MAY 20, 2008......that gives you a few more months!!!  Expectations are set for MAY now <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" /> Weeee <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>WHEN and IF you get everything set and decide to release on say, April 3, 2008...you can post that info like 2 days beforehand and say something like "Our crew has been working extra hard to get our players this LU BEFORE the actaul scheduled date, Kudos to our crew!"</p><p>OMG........So much fun there <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" /> Weeee <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>Yeah, I know.......won't work, but the idea was funny as all get out <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" /> LOL</p>

[Vonotar]

<cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li></ol></blockquote>I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?</blockquote>You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?</blockquote>Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding</blockquote>The false statement regarding the update being today was made <b>before</b> january 29th.  </blockquote>Your point being?OK, let me spell it outSometime before 29 Jan, French Rep states that LU won't be 29 Jan it has been moved to 5 FebGrimwell then posts that 29 Jan was never on the cards, doesn't refute that live date is 5 Feb5 Feb arrives and no LU, Grimwell then deletes French PostDo you see it now?We were allowed to believe that today is live date until the very last moment, NOBODY refuted that today was live date.

[Gladiia]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li></ol></blockquote>I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?</blockquote>You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?</blockquote>Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding</blockquote>The false statement regarding the update being today was made <b>before</b> january 29th.  </blockquote>Your point being?OK, let me spell it outSometime before 29 Jan, French Rep states that LU won't be 29 Jan it has been moved to 5 FebGrimwell then posts that 29 Jan was never on the cards, doesn't refute that live date is 5 Feb5 Feb arrives and no LU, Grimwell then deletes French PostDo you see it now?We were allowed to believe that today is live date until the very last moment, NOBODY refuted that today was live date.</blockquote><p>Misread it the first time.  Reread it.  nvm.  I thought it said 'the date is not set in stone'  when it said 'the date was not then set in stone.'</p><p>Ok, well, my mistake.</p><p>(Im still not mad at ya Grim...but I AM very anxious to see this update!)  I'll get mad at the dog instead (that's legal, right?)</p>

[Lader]

<p>wasnt it bruce that said late january in an interview? not sure.</p><p>and i would rather them release the content so we could test it ourselves. We all know the horrible job soe does at testing, and were going to end up pointing to the fixes anyway. I mean, we did this with claymore, had to pm the devs every step of the way to tell them where to fix what. No difference here.</p>

[Jbrawn26]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Poor Gnobrin.  He's really in a darned if you do, darned if you don't situation.I'd think everyone would know by now that sometimes QA finds something and holds updates.  Furthermore, the Epics don't seem to have been tested publicly, so I'm surprised that anyone is complaining that extra time is being taken.Seriously.  We can have:a) a "soft date" for the update that gets delayed and a note that it's not going out todayb) a hard date where they push things out no matter what and spend the next four weeks bug fixingc) no communication at allSeriously people, ease up.  </blockquote>I agree 100%!  In the other thread people have been crying all day about no communication and now they're whining that we have some.......it's a GAME people!  It's meant to be FUN ... crap happens just like in the real world and who wants a release that's full of bugs?

[Rainmare]

Grim...I just have to know.What happened to that poor dog? get in a fight with a porcupine?

[Kel]

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Grim...I just have to know.What happened to that poor dog? get in a fight with a porcupine?</blockquote>Actually, every time someone posted in this thread, a machine shot a needle into the dogs face.

[Gladiia]

<cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Grim...I just have to know.What happened to that poor dog? get in a fight with a porcupine?</blockquote>Actually, every time someone posted in this thread, a machine shot a needle into the dogs face.</blockquote><p>I actually shuddered when I read that.</p>

[Vonotar]

<cite>Jbrawn26 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>who wants a release that's full of bugs?</blockquote>Nobody, so please 'ease up' on the idea that people want the LU live now regardless of bugs.Other than a small minority (who are complaining that the Epic's should have been in RoK anyway) I'm sure most people just want Sony to communicate better in the future, and that means telling us stuff in advance.When the 'big man' says the LU is gonna slide a couple of days, tell us <b>then</b>, not two hours after everybody expected it to be live.  Sure 'last minute' things happen, but <b>two hours </b>after it was expected (by the players at least) to go live isn't a last minute decision, 1 minute before live is last minute, this was 120 minutes <b>after</b> expected live.

[Gungo]

<p>The real funny thing about all this is that the people crying are going to get LESS communication from SOE about tentative patch dates because i can garauntee that the french community rep and whomever else will never post another tentative date again. </p><p>Really if i was a community rep my next response to someone who is askign when a LU is TENTATIVELY scheduled will be "Look at the network status page".</p><p>If your lucky you will get the LU notice the night before. </p>

[Slacka]

<cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Grim...I just have to know.What happened to that poor dog? get in a fight with a porcupine?</blockquote>Actually, every time someone posted in this thread, a machine shot a needle into the dogs face.</blockquote><p>I actually shuddered when I read that.</p></blockquote><p>Actualy i heard thats the lack of communication tally chart. each time theres a failure to inform the community of something another needle gets added. (Thats the 3rd dog this year, seems they keep running out of space)</p><p>All tthis comes down to is frustration at the fact we were only told the LU does not hapen now AFTER people expected it to go live. there are a lot of folks out there booked precious time off work to alow us to enjoy this new content, myself included. i now have a few days off that are totally wasted and i wont be able to get back for whenever they really do go live (was it a typo? did that french dev mean Feb 5th 2009?).</p>

[Grimwell]

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>Grim...I just have to know.What happened to that poor dog? get in a fight with a porcupine?</blockquote>Yup. Ugly eh? Poor thing.RE: Deleting the note about the 5th.That post didn't even make it outside of the first working day before it was removed. It was posted, one of the people who was working on the update saw it and asked us to remove it, and since it hadn't even been there for more than an hour, it was removed (as inaccurate data). So it didn't last long, but it lasted long enough.One of the rules of the Internet is that once you post it, it's out there -- and we clearly forgot that one with this; but it wasn't deleted today, or this week, and wasn't in response to any of this. It was in attempt to prevent people from thinking that the 5th was the 'absolutely sure to happen' date. Yes, going forward we will just correct the date in the thread in which it was posted (not edit and replace, but post to clarify). That noted, I'd ask that everyone watch the 'News and Announcements' forum for official release dates on updates. That's going to be the first place we go to share the date; whenever it is (for any update).

[Vonotar]

?I saw it over the weekend

[Pvpmedics]

<p>All of you crack me up, no mater what SoE does you will find somthing to complain about. If they where to release the update today and somthing was wrong you would all sit here and comment on how poorly SoE did and should have put it in test longer. If they dont put it out soon enough you complain its taking to long. Maybe today was the date, and somone was on test and noticed somthing huge that was wrong, they decide to take another week or two to make this update come out smooth. </p><p>Either way all of you will find somthing to complain about!!! Just let them do there job and not criticize them, so they can make an update that has few bugs in it. </p>

[Snowdonia]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><i>?I saw it over the weekend</i>Quoted by someone else maybe?That is SERIOUSLY too many needles to be from a single porcupine isn't it? I mean, that dog doesn't just have em on his face but his legs and back as well. He woulda had to find an entire nest of them or something?

[FininCuthalion]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>?I saw it over the weekend</blockquote>Well, and I see (<span class="postbody"><i>oh, only tentative</i>) a new president sometime (<i>well, just vaguely </i></span><span class="postbody"><i>tentative</i>) i</span><span class="postbody">n <strike>the future</strike> my coffee grounds</span><span class="postbody"> </span><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Vonotar]

<cite>Perigrine@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>All of you crack me up, no mater what SoE does you will find somthing to complain about. If they where to release the update today and somthing was wrong you would all sit here and comment on how poorly SoE did and should have put it in test longer. If they dont put it out soon enough you complain its taking to long. Maybe today was the date, and somone was on test and noticed somthing huge that was wrong, they decide to take another week or two to make this update come out smooth. </p><p>Either way all of you will find somthing to complain about!!! Just let them do there job and not criticize them, so they can make an update that has few bugs in it. </p></blockquote>Here we go again...If it needs more time to fix we don't mindIt's telling us 2 hours after we expected it to go live.It's like the Pizza company calling you back 40 minutes after you placed the order to tell you it won't arrive in 20 minutes... you already know... you just want to know when your pizza is gonna arrive, any clue at all would be nice... but instead your told deadlines change and that particular phone rep should not have promised 20 minutes... blah blah blah excuses excuses, you get off the phone realising that you <b>still</b> don't know when your pizza is gonna turn up, you just know your starving!Get the picture now?They can delay until 2009 if they want, just don't leave us hanging on waiting for information.

[Vendolyn]

Did you read what Grimwell said?  They tried to do damage control, but said it wasn't enough.  The speculation of it released on the 5th was removed in under an hour, but, as he said it was out there.I guess it's like they say, arguing on the internet and all...

[Kel]

<cite>Vendolyn@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Did you read what Grimwell said?  They tried to do damage control, but said it wasn't enough.  The speculation of it released on the 5th was removed in under an hour, but, as he said it was out there.I guess it's like they say, arguing on the internet and all...</blockquote>Well- Despite what Grim said, it took much longer than an hour for them to delete it. I know for a fact that I saw it several hours after it had been linked on EQ2Flames.It was probably less than an hour after it was *reported*, and I appreciate where Grim is coming from, but still- They knew the community en masse believed the GU was going live today. Anything said is covering their own [I cannot control my vocabulary] for what was done and knowing that most players will not do anything over what happened.(Not that I don't fully understand how it could have happened, but still.)[Edit-Although, I am intensely curious as to why they ignore the issue that they either A.) KNEW the playerbase was expecting GU42 today. or B.) Don't know ANYTHING of what the playerbase is talking about in the least. Because it's not like this hasn't been mentioned repetitively in pretty much every area since it became common 'knowledge']

[Vonotar]

<cite>Vendolyn@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Did you read what Grimwell said?  They tried to do damage control, but said it wasn't enough.  The speculation of it released on the 5th was removed in under an hour, but, as he said it was out there.I guess it's like they say, arguing on the internet and all...</blockquote>The hour I doubt, as I personally found the French post a day or so after it was posted.I agree that it wasn't enough, when everybody started chattering about Feb 5th (and we're talking in these forums which are moderated by Grimwell and his team, not the internet) a statement should have been made, somewhere prominent like the LU preview perhaps?Anyway I'm done arguing for the day, I'm off to bed.If you don't get it by now you never will.

[L]

I deem this conspiracy theory insignificant and lacking in merit!

[Hellswrath]

I recommend to everyone who is feeling animated on this issue to calm down. Yes, we were expecting the LU today. Yes, a SOE rep posted it. However, it was already explained that it was removed and the information has been corrected as best as possible. No one will argue that they probably should have corrected the information instead of just deleting it. Hopefully the lesson has been learned. However, harping on it further is entirely unnecessary.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Here we go again...</blockquote>No not "we".. you...They already made it clear that an inaccurate announcement was released and removed within an hour. All the tin foil hat bearers chose to take it as gospel.There is no ETA.. period. You are not entitled to an update or even a hint. An official announcement will take place in the Official Announcements forum. Till then you're arguing about a "Preview".Distracts all the conspiracy theorists.. "OH! look.. another Star Wars is coming out!"There.. that should keep 'em distracted for a few weeks. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kel]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Here we go again...</blockquote>No not "we".. you...They already made it clear that an inaccurate announcement was released and removed within an hour. All the tin foil hat bearers chose to take it as gospel.There is no ETA.. period. You are not entitled to an update or even a hint. An official announcement will take place in the Official Announcements forum. Till then you're arguing about a "Preview".Distracts all the conspiracy theorists.. "OH! look.. another Star Wars is coming out!"There.. that should keep 'em distracted for a few weeks. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" /></blockquote>We've already seen it. Jar Jar becomes the next Darth. (Yes, Darth Binks.)

[Vendolyn]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>If you don't get it by now you never will.</blockquote>Nah, I get it...black helicopters!Still doesn't change the big plans I made for today, hanging out with some friends after work and all.

[Jessikka]

<p>I look at things as such...</p><p> Everyone (well at least a great marjority of the playerbase) was expecting 42 to be rolled out today. Without a real statement saying that it wasn't by another one of the devs after it was made, people took it to heart.</p><p>With this being pushed back even farther, you are basically stalling out those in top tier guilds waiting because they need the epic weapons to kill trak or whatever.</p><p>If the Epics weren't going to come out til this long after release, then I think a lil coding should have been done to down it to where trak could have been killable with someone without their epics. But as of now, all you're doing is basically doing a "Neener neener" from a 30 ft. slick stone wall at people trying to get to ya.</p><p>Hmm Monty Python comes to mind there. Anyone got a holy hand grenade?</p>

[Valsehna]

<p>Spoof Warning! </p><p>Ordinary Pirate: "Feb. 5th!? [Removed for Content] to the depths whatever man what thought of "Feb 5th!". </p><p>Very Famous Pirate: "That would be the French. "</p><p>It's the Great French Rep Scandal! Tee heee! <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Illmarr]

<cite>Gungo@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The real funny thing about all this is that the people crying are going to get LESS communication from SOE about tentative patch dates because i can garauntee that the french community rep and whomever else will never post another tentative date again. </p><p>Really if i was a community rep my next response to someone who is askign when a LU is TENTATIVELY scheduled will be "Look at the network status page".</p><p>If your lucky you will get the LU notice the night before. </p></blockquote>So true, and all those people would be getting exactly what they deserve

[demonwr]

<cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li></ol></blockquote>I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?</blockquote>You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?</blockquote>Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding</blockquote>The false statement regarding the update being today was made <b>before</b> january 29th.  </blockquote>Your point being?OK, let me spell it outSometime before 29 Jan, French Rep states that LU won't be 29 Jan it has been moved to 5 FebGrimwell then posts that 29 Jan was never on the cards, doesn't refute that live date is 5 Feb5 Feb arrives and no LU, Grimwell then deletes French PostDo you see it now?We were allowed to believe that today is live date until the very last moment, NOBODY refuted that today was live date.</blockquote><p>Misread it the first time.  Reread it.  nvm.  I thought it said 'the date is not set in stone'  when it said 'the date was not then set in stone.'</p><p>Ok, well, my mistake.</p><p>(Im still not mad at ya Grim...but I AM very anxious to see this update!)  I'll get mad at the dog instead (that's legal, right?)</p></blockquote>wonder how mant times we can put a box in a box in a box. realy looking forward to update btw when was it agin?

[Josgar]

Maybe the devs did not see the post about the 5th until today?

[Turuphantom]

Here is the main isssue. The box that RoK was released in said that Epic weapons would be in game. Now what would happen if you had bought Halo 3 and multiplayer had not be on the disc when it clearly said that it would be, RIGHT ON THE BOX.

[Calthine]

Y'know, next time people are whining "When's the next update??" and we're being told nothing, I'm gonna remind everyone of this thread.  This is why devs get reluctant to tell players anything.

[ke'la]

<cite>Turuphantom wrote:</cite><blockquote>Here is the main isssue. The box that RoK was released in said that Epic weapons would be in game. Now what would happen if you had bought Halo 3 and multiplayer had not be on the disc when it clearly said that it would be, RIGHT ON THE BOX.</blockquote>Accually there was no specific menchin of Epics on the Box, wich was used by others as an argument to "prove" SoE never intended Epics to be in at RoK launch. That said thier is a passing menchin of them but nothing specific. Also SoE did announce over 3 weeks prior to RoK launch that the Epics would not be in game until "after the holidays", so your compairson to Halo 3 is specious at best.

[Calthine]

Correct.  They were mentioned at Fan Faire in conjunction with RoK.  But at Fan Faire the dev team was extremely careful not to give hard dates on anything they discussed in regard to development.  Stuff happens.  Like California burning down.

[Mustang8259]

<p>Ok, one more time for people not getting what most are trying to say and then i'm outta here.  And while i'm at it a suggestion to those at SOE that handle public communications/relations...</p><p>We are happy that we were informed of the misconception of the patch going live today...</p><p>We are NOT happy that the information came 2-3 hours AFTER said update was thought to go live...</p><p>Now, on to the suggestion, how hard would this REALLY be:</p><p>Week 1 - SOE Rep:  We have a lot planned for our next update gang <insert hints, previews, ideas etc. here>, we're shooting at a 3 week timeframe but keep in mind it's just a general time frame...</p><p>week 2 - SOE Rep:  Just wanted to give everyone an update on the progress being made, we've made some real strides and hope to have this conent out to you in another couple weeks. <insert more teaser stuff here></p><p>week 3 - SOE Rep:  Well guys i know this is getting down to the wire but we promise you we've got some really great things coming your way soon, unfortunatly we have some last minute bugs to work out and a couple other features that need fine tuning, but stick with us we'll keep yah posted! <insert even more teaser if you want></p><p>So on and so forth until the patch is ready...  I personally am not even looking for a specific day, time, whatever, i'd just like a reasonable idea of what sort of time frame we're looking at.  And to those that said Sony doesn't even owe us that much... Well we're paying their paychecks and it kinda pays to not only not bite the hand that feeds, but to generally be nice and communicative with it.  And like I said this is it for me, have a field day tearing this apart if you disagree, but i'm trying to be reasonable myself on the whole "informing the public" thing, it take's 5 minutes to post and I can personally garuntee it will never get rid of all the complaints, but it sure does help when we feel we at least know a little bit more of whats going on around us...</p><p> -edited for spelling etc. =P</p>

[Gladiia]

<cite>demonwrym wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li></ol></blockquote>I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?</blockquote>You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?</blockquote>Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding</blockquote>The false statement regarding the update being today was made <b>before</b> january 29th.  </blockquote>Your point being?OK, let me spell it outSometime before 29 Jan, French Rep states that LU won't be 29 Jan it has been moved to 5 FebGrimwell then posts that 29 Jan was never on the cards, doesn't refute that live date is 5 Feb5 Feb arrives and no LU, Grimwell then deletes French PostDo you see it now?We were allowed to believe that today is live date until the very last moment, NOBODY refuted that today was live date.</blockquote><p>Misread it the first time.  Reread it.  nvm.  I thought it said 'the date is not set in stone'  when it said 'the date was not then set in stone.'</p><p>Ok, well, my mistake.</p><p>(Im still not mad at ya Grim...but I AM very anxious to see this update!)  I'll get mad at the dog instead (that's legal, right?)</p></blockquote>wonder how mant times we can put a box in a box in a box. realy looking forward to update btw when was it agin?</blockquote>In the future <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Themaginator]

<cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>demonwrym wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li></ol></blockquote>I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?</blockquote>You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?</blockquote>Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding</blockquote>The false statement regarding the update being today was made <b>before</b> january 29th.  </blockquote>Your point being?OK, let me spell it outSometime before 29 Jan, French Rep states that LU won't be 29 Jan it has been moved to 5 FebGrimwell then posts that 29 Jan was never on the cards, doesn't refute that live date is 5 Feb5 Feb arrives and no LU, Grimwell then deletes French PostDo you see it now?We were allowed to believe that today is live date until the very last moment, NOBODY refuted that today was live date.</blockquote><p>Misread it the first time.  Reread it.  nvm.  I thought it said 'the date is not set in stone'  when it said 'the date was not then set in stone.'</p><p>Ok, well, my mistake.</p><p>(Im still not mad at ya Grim...but I AM very anxious to see this update!)  I'll get mad at the dog instead (that's legal, right?)</p></blockquote>wonder how mant times we can put a box in a box in a box. realy looking forward to update btw when was it agin?</blockquote>In the future <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote>So guys...i heard GU 42 didnt come out today?whoa

[Gladiia]

<cite>Sashtan@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>demonwrym wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li></ol></blockquote>I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?</blockquote>You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?</blockquote>Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding</blockquote>The false statement regarding the update being today was made <b>before</b> january 29th.  </blockquote>Your point being?OK, let me spell it outSometime before 29 Jan, French Rep states that LU won't be 29 Jan it has been moved to 5 FebGrimwell then posts that 29 Jan was never on the cards, doesn't refute that live date is 5 Feb5 Feb arrives and no LU, Grimwell then deletes French PostDo you see it now?We were allowed to believe that today is live date until the very last moment, NOBODY refuted that today was live date.</blockquote><p>Misread it the first time.  Reread it.  nvm.  I thought it said 'the date is not set in stone'  when it said 'the date was not then set in stone.'</p><p>Ok, well, my mistake.</p><p>(Im still not mad at ya Grim...but I AM very anxious to see this update!)  I'll get mad at the dog instead (that's legal, right?)</p></blockquote>wonder how mant times we can put a box in a box in a box. realy looking forward to update btw when was it agin?</blockquote>In the future <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />"></blockquote>So guys...i heard GU 42 didnt come out today?whoa</blockquote><p>No.  The dog went to put the update disc in to upload it to the servers, but was attacked by porcupines.</p>

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Mustang8259 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ok, one more time for people not getting what most are trying to say and then i'm outta here.  And while i'm at it a suggestion to those at SOE that handle public communications/relations...</p></blockquote>My suggestion so that the carpeting doesn't have to continually be professionally cleaned from all the tears.. Publish the update the night before and in the morning post..."Suprise!!!!"I think its a win win for everyone /nods <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Snowdonia]

<cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sashtan@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>demonwrym wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gladiia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kel wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grimwell wrote:</cite><blockquote>A few things to remember in the chaos here folks:<ol><li>The "French Rep" did post bad information about the 29th which I did refute.</li><li>The "French Rep" also posted about the 5th in an attempt to correct the information about the 29th. This was incorrect, and that is why it's no longer something you can link to.</li></ol></blockquote>I don't know about you, Grim- but beyond the first time I link something, I don't typically go back to relink it over and over again. Especially when it's in a foreign language. Perhaps something TELLING us it was incorrect information, since the information was provided by one of your employees would be a good idea in the future?</blockquote>You're kidding right?  With a link to the statement made a week ago, a removal of the bad info, and a followup today from grim again, you still say that we weren't told it was bad info?</blockquote>Read Grim's post again.  He refuted the Jan 29th info.  The 5th Feb info was only removed today and was never refuted.No we're not kidding</blockquote>The false statement regarding the update being today was made <b>before</b> january 29th.  </blockquote>Your point being?OK, let me spell it outSometime before 29 Jan, French Rep states that LU won't be 29 Jan it has been moved to 5 FebGrimwell then posts that 29 Jan was never on the cards, doesn't refute that live date is 5 Feb5 Feb arrives and no LU, Grimwell then deletes French PostDo you see it now?We were allowed to believe that today is live date until the very last moment, NOBODY refuted that today was live date.</blockquote><p>Misread it the first time.  Reread it.  nvm.  I thought it said 'the date is not set in stone'  when it said 'the date was not then set in stone.'</p><p>Ok, well, my mistake.</p><p>(Im still not mad at ya Grim...but I AM very anxious to see this update!)  I'll get mad at the dog instead (that's legal, right?)</p></blockquote>wonder how mant times we can put a box in a box in a box. realy looking forward to update btw when was it agin?</blockquote>In the future <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />"></blockquote>So guys...i heard GU 42 didnt come out today?whoa</blockquote><p>No.  The dog went to put the update disc in to upload it to the servers, but was attacked by porcupines.</p></blockquote>That poor dog. /comforts dog That poor server. /comfort server Those poor devs!!! /comfortnuzzles devs

[Gnobrin]

<p>Get ready, <b><span style="color: #cc0000;">GET SET!</span></b></p><p>Set your clocks early since <b><u>Game Update 42's coming tomorrow morning!</u></b>  Will YOU be the first to get your Epic?  Will you be the first to get your hands on a house mannequin?  Will you be the first that lord Karana smites down with his relentless lightning?</p><p>See you ingame!</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p>

[Snowdonia]

<cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get ready, <b><span style="color: #cc0000;">GET SET!</span></b></p><p>Set your clocks early since <b><u>Game Update 42's coming tomorrow morning!</u></b>  Will YOU be the first to get your Epic?  Will you be the first to get your hands on a house mannequin?  Will you be the first that lord Karana smites down with his relentless lightning?</p><p>See you ingame!</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p></blockquote>WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT!*takes her place at the starting line... then continues to sing " <i>Engines pumping and thumping in time.</i>"*OH! Question, will ALL servers be getting the update at the same time? Or will Euro server still be behind by 12 hours or whatever?

[Morghur]

<cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get ready, <b><span style="color: #cc0000;">GET SET!</span></b></p><p>Set your clocks early since <b><u>Game Update 42's coming tomorrow morning!</u></b>  Will YOU be the first to get your Epic?  Will you be the first to get your hands on a house mannequin?  Will you be the first that lord Karana smites down with his relentless lightning?</p><p>See you ingame!</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p></blockquote>Ohh Snap <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Einadin]

THANK YOU!  This is exactly what we were asking for!

[Gnobrin]

<blockquote>OH! Question, will ALL servers be getting the update at the same time? Or will Euro server still be behind by 12 hours or whatever?</blockquote><p>Same day, different time.  Those servers are routinely updated within the same day, but later.</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p>

[Catria]

<cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get ready, <b><span style="color: #cc0000;">GET SET!</span></b></p><p>Set your clocks early since <b><u>Game Update 42's coming tomorrow morning!</u></b>  Will YOU be the first to get your Epic?  Will you be the first to get your hands on a house mannequin?  Will you be the first that lord Karana smites down with his relentless lightning?</p><p>See you ingame!</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p></blockquote><p>Ummm .... but we were told not to believe any announcements as to dates unless it's in the Official News and Announcements forum, and I don't see it there.  </p><p>/em ducks and runs for cover</p>

[Terrius]

<cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get ready, <b><span style="color: #cc0000;">GET SET!</span></b></p><p>Set your clocks early since <b><u>Game Update 42's coming tomorrow morning!</u></b>  Will YOU be the first to get your Epic?  Will you be the first to get your hands on a house mannequin?  Will you be the first that lord Karana smites down with his relentless lightning?</p><p>See you ingame!</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p></blockquote><p>Gnobrin you rock!!!! When I take over the world you shall be spared! *shifty eyes* err did i say that out loud?</p>

[Snapdragyn]

<cite>Lyssia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get ready, <b><span style="color: #cc0000;">GET SET!</span></b></p><p>Set your clocks early since <b><u>Game Update 42's coming tomorrow morning!</u></b>  Will YOU be the first to get your Epic?  Will you be the first to get your hands on a house mannequin?  Will you be the first that lord Karana smites down with his relentless lightning?</p><p>See you ingame!</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p></blockquote><p>Ummm .... but we were told not to believe any announcements as to dates unless it's in the Official News and Announcements forum, and I don't see it there.  </p><p>/em ducks and runs for cover</p></blockquote>LOL, awesome response.

[Themaginator]

<cite>Snapdragyn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lyssia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get ready, <b><span style="color: #cc0000;">GET SET!</span></b></p><p>Set your clocks early since <b><u>Game Update 42's coming tomorrow morning!</u></b>  Will YOU be the first to get your Epic?  Will you be the first to get your hands on a house mannequin?  Will you be the first that lord Karana smites down with his relentless lightning?</p><p>See you ingame!</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p></blockquote><p>Ummm .... but we were told not to believe any announcements as to dates unless it's in the Official News and Announcements forum, and I don't see it there.  </p><p>/em ducks and runs for cover</p></blockquote>LOL, awesome response.</blockquote>*smack* lolYAY I lurv gnobrin!

[Catria]

<cite>Sashtan@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Snapdragyn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Lyssia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get ready, <b><span style="color: #cc0000;">GET SET!</span></b></p><p>Set your clocks early since <b><u>Game Update 42's coming tomorrow morning!</u></b>  Will YOU be the first to get your Epic?  Will you be the first to get your hands on a house mannequin?  Will you be the first that lord Karana smites down with his relentless lightning?</p><p>See you ingame!</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p></blockquote><p>Ummm .... but we were told not to believe any announcements as to dates unless it's in the Official News and Announcements forum, and I don't see it there.  </p><p>/em ducks and runs for cover</p></blockquote>LOL, awesome response.</blockquote>*smack* lolYAY I lurv gnobrin!</blockquote>Hehehe!  Yea I had this mental image of Bill Murray saying "But you said crossing the streams was bad!" in Ghostbusters when I typed it.  *giggle*

[LadyGalasya]

So um I hate to ask but what time should I be setting my clock for exactly....I mean if I were that [Removed for Content] rententive about getting discos or something?

[Themaginator]

<cite>LadyGalasya wrote:</cite><blockquote>So um I hate to ask but what time should I be setting my clock for exactly....I mean if I were that [I cannot control my vocabulary] rententive about getting discos or something?</blockquote>please dont ask that [Removed for Content]...no you may not have a server up time otherwise you'll just be angry when it isnt up at that time

[Catria]

<cite>LadyGalasya wrote:</cite><blockquote>So um I hate to ask but what time should I be setting my clock for exactly....I mean if I were that [I cannot control my vocabulary] rententive about getting discos or something?</blockquote>You too?  LOL!  Seriously, I can't find a time anywhere on the official EQ2 website/forums/EQ2 Players, but Niami over at EQ2 Traders says it will begin at 6 a.m. PST.

[LadyGalasya]

but I wanna know from a red name......cause no offense mum but....we trusted someone else before...and it for us these 2 threads. I dun wanna know the up time....I wanna know what time they will be swept out from under our collective feet.

[Catria]

<p>Okay it's definitely official... it's on the network status page now.  </p><p>"Scheduled Downtime Updated - 2/06/2008 at 6:00 AM PST</p><p>All EQ2 US servers will be brought down on 2/06/2008 at 6:00 AM PST. The estimated down time will be 5 hours.- SOE Operations team"</p>

[Gladiia]

<cite>Lyssia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get ready, <b><span style="color: #cc0000;">GET SET!</span></b></p><p>Set your clocks early since <b><u>Game Update 42's coming tomorrow morning!</u></b>  Will YOU be the first to get your Epic?  Will you be the first to get your hands on a house mannequin?  Will you be the first that lord Karana smites down with his relentless lightning?</p><p>See you ingame!</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p></blockquote><p>Ummm .... but we were told not to believe any announcements as to dates unless it's in the Official News and Announcements forum, and I don't see it there.  </p><p>/em ducks and runs for cover</p></blockquote><p>[Removed for Content]...o, your simply killing me.</p>

[Gladiia]

<cite>Lyssia@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Okay it's definitely official... it's on the network status page now.  </p><p>"Scheduled Downtime Updated - 2/06/2008 at 6:00 AM PST</p><p>All EQ2 US servers will be brought down on 2/06/2008 at 6:00 AM PST. The estimated down time will be 5 hours.- SOE Operations team"</p></blockquote>Wow, I've never seen an expected downtime that long for a LU. 

[Gnobrin]

<p>I told ya that it'd be a BIG update in my announcements...  Sorry if you chose not to believe me.</p><p>/shrug</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p>

[Peter Corbin]

<p>I know in 8 hours this will be a moot point, but for all those that say that no one ever said epics would be included with the ROK release, please follow these links ( I know none of them are from SOE, I only took some off the first page of search results and we know how Orwellian Sony can be about deleting webpages <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> but it was a selling point from many major websites for the software) -</p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Everquest-Rise-Of-Kunark/dp/B000VS29PK" target="_blank">http://www.amazon.com/Sony-Everques...k/dp/B000VS29PK</a></p><p><b>Return to the EverQuest World</b><i>Rise of Kunark</i> is the fourth expansion pack for the EverQuest II franchise. The introduction of The Sarnak and new starting area, Timorous Deep, provide for a full range of content for new players (levels 1-20) as well as for high level players who can now advance up to level 80 in their Adventure, Tradeskill and Guild classes. Rise of Kunark includes many detailed areas that are from EverQuest as well as new areas only recently unearthed. Hundreds of new quests, dozens of new NPCs, <b>new Epic Weapon quests for each class</b> and new armor sets await those who dare set foot on this fabled continent. </p><p><b>Features:</b> </p><ul><li>New Player Race: The Sarnak are a classic dragon-like humanoid creature that inhabits Timorous Deep </li><li>New starting city: Begin your adventure from the new starting area in the islands of Timorous Deep </li><li>Continue your adventures as your existing character in Kunark, expanding on your achievements as Adventure, Tradeskill and Guild levels have all increased to 80 </li><li>Advance your way through new regions, containing many zones filled with nostalgia and danger </li><li>The tale of Kunark is told through hundreds of quests, aimed at gameplay of all types </li><li>More Weapons & Armor: <b>New Epic Weapon quests for all 24 classes</b> as well as legendary armor </li><li>Explore the world on the shoulders of a new rampaging beast, The Kunarkian Rhinoceros </li><li>New deities in Norrath for players to pledge their allegiance </li><li>Encounter and engage a wide variety of new enemies that inhabit the lands of Kunark </li></ul><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/everquestiiriseofkunark/news.html?sid=6174887" target="_blank">http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/ever...tml?sid=6174887</a></p><p>Dedicated EverQuest II players will get a raft of new content this November, when the next expansion pack for the game, Rise of Kunark, will ship to retail and also become available for download. From the looks of things, the pack will add a ton of new content in all the places you'd expect in a massively multiplayer expansion. One of the biggest additions will be a new playable race, a species of dragon-men called the Sarnak. To accompany the Sarnak's entrance into Norrath, of course, will be a new start zone, an island chain called Timorous Deep. Of course, this zone will also contain the Sarnak's new capital city. </p><p>The bulk of the new content in Rise of Kunark, though, will be geared toward the current hardcore, high-level players. All level caps--that is, for characters, guilds, and trade skills--will go up to 80, and new "achievement outfits" will be included that will allow you to re-spec your character to improve your trade skills more efficiently. <b>You'll find 24 new epic weapon quests, each in two parts. The first stage will be a group quest, and will yield a pretty darn nice weapon. But if you want to power your new epic up to its fullest extent, you'll have to trudge through the second phase of the weapon quest, which will be raid-based.</b> Finally, no MMO expansion is complete without a new mount, and you'll find one--the Kunarkian rhinoceros--here. </p><p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.buy.com/prod/everquest-rise-of-kunark/q/loc/108/205664880.html" target="_blank">http://www.buy.com/prod/everquest-r.../205664880.html</a></p><p>Needless to say though, I will have a hard time focusing on work on Wednesday and try to sneak off early!! See y'all in game!  Hooray!</p>

[Spyderbite]

Feel the love!!!!! And, it only took 10 pages <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Now where's that Domino hiding?! rawr! ^^

[Gnobrin]

<p>Domino hiding?  It's midnight here, I'd imagine that she's sleepin' like all good tradeskill masters are right now.  </p><p><i>Wait, what the heck am I still doing awake?</i></p><p>~Gnobrin!</p>

[dawy]

So dare i ask..any news when LU 42 is going live?

[Catria]

<cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I told ya that it'd be a BIG update in my announcements...  Sorry if you chose not to believe me.</p><p>/shrug</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p></blockquote>Sorry Gnobrin!  I was just joking!  *hug*

[roces9]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Stuff happens.  Like California burning down.</blockquote>I'm from San Diego in the same town that the SoE team is, and I'm not sure if this is morbidly hilarious or wildly unfunny. Give me some time to think about it.

[Slacka]

<p>So... any news on when Runnyeye/Splitpaw can expect to go down for update? there seems to be nothing posted about us on the network status page or in the server boards.... </p><p>Just wondering as its now less than 45 mins till the US update starts....</p><p>Or is this lack of a posted time because we are in fact going to be waiting an extra day and not getting it until tomorow morining?</p>

[Vonotar]

<cite>Slacka@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So... any news on when Runnyeye/Splitpaw can expect to go down for update? there seems to be nothing posted about us on the network status page or in the server boards.... </p><p>Just wondering as its now less than 45 mins till the US update starts....</p><p>Or is this lack of a posted time because we are in fact going to be waiting an extra day and not getting it until tomorow morining?</p></blockquote>EU servers are always updated the following morning, nothing new there.Either accept it, or move to a US server (I did!)

[Kel]

<cite>Slacka@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So... any news on when Runnyeye/Splitpaw can expect to go down for update? there seems to be nothing posted about us on the network status page or in the server boards.... </p><p>Just wondering as its now less than 45 mins till the US update starts....</p><p>Or is this lack of a posted time because we are in fact going to be waiting an extra day and not getting it until tomorow morining?</p></blockquote>Never.

[Anthise]

<p>Not such a funny comment on the San Diego burning....SOE was NOT that far from the fires this last time. San Diego is a beautiful place to live except for during fire seasons... been evacuated twice now. The price we pay to live here I guess. Finding your house standing in the middles of a charred moonscape... or worse losing your house is not fun.<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p> Looks like something is happening this morning, 5 hour estimated update time... Game came down at 6 am.<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p> Are they just getting ready for the patch? Or patching...*ponders*</p>

[powerplay]

i like pie

[England]

Reading this thread, or in part, reiterates why game companies should never give the players a definite date/time about anything concerning development: 'It will happen when it happens', should be the official line.  In the meantime, the stupid amongs you, can entertain yourselves with tantrums and pompous grandstanding. Best line I have read in one of these games: "I used to like mankind, until I started playing MMORPGs'. Brilliant!

[Sayne]

<cite>LadyGalasya wrote:</cite><blockquote>but I wanna know from a red name......cause no offense mum but....we trusted someone else before...and it for us these 2 threads. I dun wanna know the up time....I wanna know what time they will be swept out from under our collective feet.</blockquote><p>If Niami says it, it's as good as any SoE dev saying something in my opinion.  She's got more than a sparkling reputation, she never states anything as fact unless she has something conrete, and she's always cautious with rumors.  After all - it was her and her fabulous website that the devs chose to unveil the cloaks before that information was available anywhere.  If that doesn't make her trustworthy, I don't know what does <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Niami's my hero ^_^</p>

[Kwibble]

<p>You know?  There will always be a conflict of interest between any software/services company and its user base when it comes to communication of release dates.  A company like SoE hesitates to provide release date information because it is inevitably interpreted as firm information by a customer base that gets excited about the release, and the customer is then set up for disappointment if that expectation is not met.  If SoE were putting up buildings or fabricating pipes, that would be one thing.  But software is a tricky, complicated business, and although you build a schedule based on how much analysis/coding effort there is to do, there is ALWAYS an unknown variable amount of time and uncertainty associated with meeting quality objectives, which we the customers certainly DON'T want compromised.</p><p>On the other hand, the customer (us) wants (and needs) mostly reliable information about release dates as they come available.  Whether SoE or other people agree with the lifestyle choice or not, many people DO make plans and sacrifices centered around releases, especially something like EPIC weapon quests.  And therein lies the conflict.  We've all rehashed this for nearly a dozen pages now, and I hesitate to add to it.  But, I'd like to make a constructive suggestion for consideration.</p><p>Part of the problem with mentioning ANY date in ANY context is that there will always be many people who read what they WANT to read and read the date as more firm than intended.  It's human nature.  However, rather than not communicating anything, I think there is something SoE could do that would HELP the customer base while not BINDING their own hands.  What I'd like to suggest is something like a dashboard of the release pipeline.  The dashboard would contain a release "name", maybe a quick blurb about possible/probable content, release timing information that could vary from very specific (2/6/2008 6am PST) to very general (late 2009), and MOST IMPORTANTLY, a status of that forecast that could range from PROPOSED, LOW, MEDIUM, HIGH, and FIRM.  So, for example, such a dashboard might look like this:</p><p>GU42                      Epics and such                 2/62008 6:00am PST     FIRMPatch                      To be determined           2/12/2008                       LOWGU43                      To be determined            April, 2008                      MEDIUMGU44                       Guild Halls                       Summer, 2008                PROPOSED        (wishful thinking on the Guild Halls, I know - please dont' flame me)Expansion              To be determined            4Q, 2008                        PROPOSED</p><p>Information on the content would only be released as SoE saw fit to announce it, so most might just say To Be Determined.  The way this might have worked in this case is that in mid-January, when Mr. Hartsman announced that GU42 would include epics and hinted at the 1/29 date, it could have read</p><p>GU42                      Epics                               1/29/2008                      LOW</p><p>When it got supposedly delayed, the status could have been updated to</p><p>GU42                      Epics                               2/5/2008                        MEDIUM</p><p>or even</p><p>GU42                      Epics                               DELAYED                          UNKNOWN</p><p>until a new projection was available.  Last night, when Gnobrin announced they were definitely coming this morning at 6am PST, it would have been then, and only then, updated to a FIRM status.  If anyone chose to schedule vacation/time off based on non-FIRM information, they did so at their own risk, but then they could take responsibility, knowing that at best, SoE was projecting only a medium likelihood of the 2/5 date being actual.  From SoE's perspective, their only obligation would be to keep the dashboard updated with projections as previous projections expired or information changed.  This could even be presented on the current network status page, with FIRM events bolded for emphasis, meaning that the downtime was scheduled.</p><p>I believe such a system, while not perfect from either side, would be a good compromise between SoE's need to have the maneuverability they need for release and content planning, and the customers need for information for not only planned release dates, but the degree of risk they are assuming if they make plans based on those dates.  When SoE tries to make a dates like 2/5 and the customer plans time off based on it, and then that date is not met, there HAS to be some shared responsibility - but if SoE did their best to communicate the date but indicated a moderate degree of risk that that date might not be met due to the complexity of the release, then the responsibility shifts to the customer to be accountable for the actions they choose to take based on that information.  Of course, if SoE chooses to communicate nothing, then maybe they don't share any of the blame, but it's then pretty poor customer service from where I'm standing.</p><p>Anyway, Grimwell, Gnobrin, I humbly offer this suggestion as one possible method of improving the situation for not only the customer base, but also for you.  Thanks for listening.</p><p>                         </p>

[Rashaak]

<p>Aw man!</p><p>Grimwell!!!! Why'd you have to calm the flames   <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I was enjoying this thread......    /cry</p>

[Vonotar]

<cite>Kwibble wrote:</cite><div align="center"><blockquote><i>everything he said</i>                  </blockquote></div>Works for me!!

[Freliant]

<p>Actually, LUs are done almost on a montly basis.. not every 4 months, like what you have up there <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> What will the next update have? My guess, fixes to the Epics and their questlines <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[D-lirium]

<cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Get ready, <b><span style="color: #cc0000;">GET SET!</span></b></p><p>Set your clocks early since <b><u>Game Update 42's coming tomorrow morning!</u></b>  Will YOU be the first to get your Epic?  Will you be the first to get your hands on a house mannequin?  Will you be the first that lord Karana smites down with his relentless lightning?</p><p>See you ingame!</p><p>~Gnobrin!</p></blockquote>When is the release for "international" servers?

[Gladiia]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kwibble wrote:</cite><div align="center"><blockquote><i>everything he said</i>                  </blockquote></div>Works for me!!</blockquote><p>That apears to be a stable idea.</p>

[Kwibble]

<cite>Freliant wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Actually, LUs are done almost on a montly basis.. not every 4 months, like what you have up there <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>Hehe, yeah, I probably should have put a bit more thought into my example to make it a bit more realistic..   <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />   Heck, who know?  This might start the rumor going that it was going to be April before the next GU comes out, and Guild Halls are coming this summer!?  lol</p>

[Catria]

<cite>Wyntre@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>LadyGalasya wrote:</cite><blockquote>but I wanna know from a red name......cause no offense mum but....we trusted someone else before...and it for us these 2 threads. I dun wanna know the up time....I wanna know what time they will be swept out from under our collective feet.</blockquote><p>If Niami says it, it's as good as any SoE dev saying something in my opinion.  She's got more than a sparkling reputation, she never states anything as fact unless she has something conrete, and she's always cautious with rumors.  After all - it was her and her fabulous website that the devs chose to unveil the cloaks before that information was available anywhere.  If that doesn't make her trustworthy, I don't know what does <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>Niami's my hero ^_^</p></blockquote>Couldn't have said it better myself! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Vonotar]

Actually I have to ask... has anybody seen Domino and Niami in the same room?Just to quash a wild idea a friend keeps bugging me about...

[Kiara-]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually I have to ask... has anybody seen Domino and Niami in the same room?Just to quash a wild idea a friend keeps bugging me about...</blockquote><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Yes.  Nice try <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span>

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Banedon@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Actually I have to ask... has anybody seen Domino and Niami in the same room?</blockquote>I haven't.. but I know for fact that Rijacki and Calthine have.

[Zanadi]

Happy dance for GU42! Woo Hoo!

[Calthine]

<cite>roces9 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Stuff happens.  Like California burning down.</blockquote>I'm from San Diego in the same town that the SoE team is, and I'm not sure if this is morbidly hilarious or wildly unfunny. Give me some time to think about it. </blockquote>It wasn't intended as either, really.  Just reminding people that stuff DOES happen, and while they may be god-like in Norrath, Devs are people too.

[Kiara-]

<cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>roces9 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Calthine wrote:</cite><blockquote>Stuff happens.  Like California burning down.</blockquote>I'm from San Diego in the same town that the SoE team is, and I'm not sure if this is morbidly hilarious or wildly unfunny. Give me some time to think about it. </blockquote>It wasn't intended as either, really.  Just reminding people that stuff DOES happen, and while they may be god-like in Norrath, Devs are people too.</blockquote><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">To make a further point on this... Someone made the comment that a week long fire was delaying content by several months. </span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Cal, and any other rational person, understands that just cause the fires themselves were only a week's worth of nightmare, the aftermath still hasn't been overcome in some situations.  That was the point she was making with her comment.  Not to make light of the tragedies people have gone through, but to remind people that just because you don't still hear about it doesn't mean it's gone away.  </span></p><p><span style="color: #cc99ff;">Understanding of life outside of one's own day to day existence is something too often neglected.</span></p>