Bertoxxulous the Plaguebringer, King of Rats

[Shemyaza]

<p>i actually laughed when i saw the pics on the recent GU42 update preview. this is not good.</p><p><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/gameupdate42/bertoxxulous.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="692" border="0" /></p><p><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/gameupdate42/bertoxxulous2.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="692" border="0" /></p><p>they have done the impossible and made an even worse avatar than cazic. i wonder what the backstory will be that includes this transformation.</p>

[shadowscale]

there is something wrong with the avatar of fear? and as far as i know none of the avatars have any real in game back story.

[Apocroph]

<cite>Shemyaza wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>they have done the impossible and made an even worse avatar than cazic. i wonder what the backstory will be that includes this transformation.</p></blockquote>Bertoxxulous has been said to take on many forms, and this dates back at least to the PoP lore.

[ke'la]

You are aware that the Avatar for a diety does not nessicarally have to look like the Diety, yes a bunch of the Vainer ones have made Avatar's in thier own image, such as Tunar and Mith. Marr, but others make it as an incarnation of what they repersent like Cazic and a repersentation of Feer, and now Bertie and a repersentation of a Plaguebringer. And last I checked the Tribunal was 3 gods in one, yet I only is one "avatar".

[dragontamer619]

I don't see how it's a "transformation".  The avatars are not the real gods.  They are projections created by the Gods themselves, so they can be whatever they want.  Rats are the carrier of many diseases, Bertoxxulos is what?  The plaguebringer of diseases.  Call me crazy but I think there's a connection there don't you.  So laugh all you want but to me this makes sense.  I think Bertox looks pretty awesome. 

[Apocroph]

<cite>ke'la wrote:</cite><blockquote>You are aware that the Avatar for a diety does not nessicarally have to look like the Diety, yes a bunch of the Vainer ones have made Avatar's in thier own image, such as Tunar and Mith. Marr, but others make it as an incarnation of what they repersent like Cazic and a repersentation of Feer, and now Bertie and a repersentation of a Plaguebringer. And last I checked the Tribunal was 3 gods in one, yet I only is one "avatar".</blockquote>There are six judges of The Tribunal.

[teddyboy4]

Yeah, I don't see anything wrong with Bertoxx's avatar, in fact I think it's a pretty good representation of the Plaguebringer. I mean, there aren't many things that are associated with the spread of pestilence and disease then a rat, and the rotting body fits quite well also.As has been said above, these are only the avatars of the gods, and as such, they don't have to be anything like the gods themselves. I would also think that any visual representation that has been seen by a mortal is only that, a visual representation, or an avatar. I'd think that it's kind of like the Planes of the gods, the mortal mind can not comprehend the divine, so what we see is what they want us to see, the vision is projected into the minds of the mortals so that our brains aren't overloaded and we can survive the experience of our brush with the divine. As for the Tribunal...there are actually seven being that make up the Tribunal, there are six individual entities of one mind that serve the function of jurors, judging the mortals in the context of their societies structure, and then there is the Seventh Hammer. The Seventh Hammer serves as the bailiff for the Tribunal, maintaining order in the court and hunting down fugitives.

[PakMonyet]

...Wow, Shemyaza....I had the reverse reaction....I loved the look of the Plaguebringer Avatar.....It reminds me of the story of the Pied-Piper of Hamlin......and the way rats brought and spread the plague throughout Europe in the Dark Ages.....I'm actually considering changing my Diety just cause of this avatar!

[Sylaz]

I understand what some are saying about the Avatars not having to be exact copies of the deities themselves, but if the others are any indication they're all pretty close.Really, the only one that's terribly different from the actual deity I remember is the Avatar of Hate. Of course, while looking at the concept art on the loading screens it seems Innoruuk, for whatever reason, has taken on a more Troll=like appearance since we last saw him.Even the gods we never saw in EQlive look like they should look. Quellious was always described as a child-goddess, and I can think of no other way that she would look than that of her avatar. Same thing with Brell, he looks exactly as described.Granted, there are minor updates but that's to be expected, as we did move to a completely different game/graphics engine. Unless I'm mistaken it seems Solusek has lost his hair, and Mithaniel got shinier armor and lost the helmet, but other than that the rest seem pretty much the same.That brings me to this Avatar of Disease. Bertoxxulous was always described as <span style="color: #66cc66;">"a humanoid hunchback draped in tattered, decaying robes. Under his hood can be seen a very handsome face attached to the body of a rotting corpse."</span> Neither this avatar, nor his appearance in EQlive reflect this description, and both, to me at least, are somewhat disappointing.

[Cusashorn]

<p>Wow.</p><p>I was hoping for the handsome human face that he is said to have.</p><p>His first physical description is that his body is made of decaying bones and rotten flesh, and his decaying and decrepid robe hid the face of a handsome, unblemished male.</p>

[Sylaz]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Wow.</p><p>I was hoping for the handsome human face that he is said to have.</p><p>His first physical description is that his body is made of decaying bones and rotten flesh, and his decaying and decrepid robe hid the face of a handsome, unblemished male.</p></blockquote>Heh, it seems you and I think a lot alike.

[Rezikai]

<p>Wow.</p><p>I was hoping for the handsome human face that he is said to have.</p><p>His first physical description is that his body is made of decaying bones and rotten flesh, and his decaying and decrepid robe hid the face of a handsome, unblemished male.</p><hr /><p>Here ya go Cusa.. from EQoA's plane of Disease back when we killed Bert. hes slumped over dead but you can imagine him standing up beating the hell out of us.  And i am.. in the party.. upset that this.. abomination of a ratonga is passing off as our avatar of Disease.. Ratonga's are Brells creations if i rememeber right they arent the disease carriers in Norrath's lore as in our own. It doesnt make sense, they added the Springview healer to the Commonlands months and months ago, they were from EQoA' plague event.. where this version of Bert was used.. yet we get a mouse that looks it survived being roadkill..... upset this lore junkie is.</p><p><img src="http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a97/Myraheqoa/bert4.jpg" alt="" width="640" height="480" border="0" /></p>

[Arianah]

Well since it's an avatar of Bertoxxulous and not Bertoxxulous himself, I'm not as upset about it.From a book in EQ1, Deadtime Stories of Bertoxxulous:<i>"<b>Origins of the Bubonians</b></i> <p><i>In the deepest depths of some forgotten tomb, Tarkon Praez, a necromancer in service to Bertoxxulous, was performing experiments on a tribe of rat men that he had previously enslaved. During this time he bred a variety of rat men, but none of them were what he wanted. Tarkon wanted a ravenous, festering, and foul breed that would strike terror and fear into the hearts of the pure. Tarkon decided to pray one day to his dark god for guidance.</i></p> <p><i>After many hours of prayers, foul rituals and sacrifices, Bertoxxulous enlightened Tarkon with a vision of what he must do. He would travel to the farthest reaches and find the necessary components to perform a ritual of the darkest evil. The four components Tarkon was to gather were a unicorn heart, tail of a phoenix, tears of a virgin, and the blood of a faerie. After many trials and tribulations he had gathered the necessary components and began the dark ritual. What took form was more than he expected. An extremely evil crazed race of rat men that carried a foul plague in their blood and minds. He dubbed them the Bubonians and set them on the land.</i></p> <p><i>The Bubonians tore apart the lands near the tomb of their creation, spreading disease, death, and destruction wherever they went. They continued unhindered for a time, until they were banished from the world by a good and noble order of knights. Bertoxxulous took the Bubonians into the Crypt of Decay and that is where they have festered ever since, waiting to lay waste to the world once again."</i></p>

[Gukkor2]

<p>He's a god, he can look however he wants.</p><p>This form makes sense to me, though.  A significant portion of his worshippers in this age are Ratonga, as evidenced by the Bloodsaber presence in the Down Below, and Bubonians have always been one of the dominant races on the Plane of Disease.</p>

[iNiQUitY-]

Am I remembering wrong or isn't the Tribunal 7 members?6 on the council - and the 7th hammer, who is kind of like the grim reaper / lead justice all rolled into one.Please correct me if I'm wrong, an Internet search didn't turn up much.

[Apocroph]

Six Judges (hence the name The Six Hammers), and the Seventh Hammer is their bailiff.Innoruuk has always had a sort of troll-like look to him, though in EQlive, his outward appearance was a more equal mix of troll and dark elf.  The more trollish look he's taken on in EQ2 is fitting, however, since he didn't really create dark elves...  They were a perversion of a Tunarian creation.Seems Bertoxxulous is a bit of a chameleon.  I think I like that.Most races of Norrath were made in their creator's image, so none of the deities we've seen so far have been that great a stretch.  Cazic-Thule and Karana are exception, but Cazic's appearance has been pretty constant, and Karana wasn't a creator.Anyone else notice, or find it interesting, that the divine avatars we see in Norrath these days are large scale versions of our player races?Edit: Cleaned up a little bit of redundancy.

[Shemyaza]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Anyone else notice, or find it interesting, that the divine avatars we see in Norrath these days are large scale versions of our player races?</blockquote><p>i wouldn't say "interesting", more disappointing. the art dept. seems to have lost the sense of wonder of earlier games. </p><p>i would reckon it's more tech driven than art driven having avatars that are closely based on player races. maybe it's just more cost productive that way. come to think of it, there aren't that many unique models used in eq2 at all that i have seen. most mobs are just larger or smaller versions of standard mobs with maybe a new lick of paint. i'm discounting raids as i haven't been on any so don't know how unique each boss is.</p><p>i wonder if they use the new skeletal system.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote>Anyone else notice, or find it interesting, that the divine avatars we see in Norrath these days are large scale versions of our player races?</blockquote>Quellious isn't. She's only 3 feet tall, and is modeled as a little human girl by the SOGA team. Not even the children in the Village of Shin look like her.

[Apocroph]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Quellious isn't. She's only 3 feet tall, and is modeled as a little human girl by the SOGA team. Not even the children in the Village of Shin look like her.</blockquote>Weak.<cite>Shemyaza wrote:</cite><blockquote>i would reckon it's more tech driven than art driven having avatars that are closely based on player races. maybe it's just more cost productive that way. come to think of it, there aren't that many unique models used in eq2 at all that i have seen. most mobs are just larger or smaller versions of standard mobs with maybe a new lick of paint. i'm discounting raids as i haven't been on any so don't know how unique each boss is.</blockquote>I'll agree with you on the lack of new mob models, but I'm more apt to forgive the avatars as long as the race chosen is the right one.  What's disappointing to me about the deities is that they don't play more of a role in the world.  The only fanatical cults out there are always mobs to be killed, not someone to ally yourself with in the name of your patron.It just seems strange to me that we perform all of these tasks in their name, but generally don't associate with each other.  The prophet/priest is the only other follower of our god that we interact with on that level, and that's unfortunate.

[Rainmare]

We didn't interact with the gods directly in EQ1, either. I think the closest anyone got to working directly for a deity were high elves that did the Nature's Defender quest, or people that did the shawl if you count brell's avatar showing up to bless it. I always took it as the Deities are busy managing the affairs of thier sphere of Influence, countering other god's wills on norrath...things that us mere mortals can't help them with in the first place.At least in EQ2, while I can no longer go to the Plane of growth and see Tunare, and enjoy the serenity of the zone, at least her avatar on Norrath when she chooses to show herself can give me a nod and a divine buff as a token of her appreciation for my services in her name.And why is it 'weak' That the Child Goddess' avatar is child sized? even in the stories about their departure, they show that Quellious uses a small child's form, talking to her avatar.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Quellious isn't. She's only 3 feet tall, and is modeled as a little human girl by the SOGA team. Not even the children in the Village of Shin look like her.</blockquote>Weak.</blockquote><p>How is having an actually UNIQUE looking model "weak"?</p><p><img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Cusashorn/Quellious.png" alt="" width="263" height="567" border="0" /></p>

[Themaginator]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Quellious isn't. She's only 3 feet tall, and is modeled as a little human girl by the SOGA team. Not even the children in the Village of Shin look like her.</blockquote>Weak.</blockquote><p>How is having an actually UNIQUE looking model "weak"?</p><p><img src="http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a291/Cusashorn/Quellious.png" border="0" alt="" width="263" height="567" /></p></blockquote>it doesnt matter how unique something is they'll be mad so yeah...And the reason they all look like current races is because as you learn in the Solusek quest line...Avatars ARE mortals that were chosen by the god and infused with the god's power.  Solusek's was an erudite, who you actually have to save and perform the ritual on in order to infuse him with the power of the god.  So that is why all the gods look like player racesand still they are unique models...they all have different bodies hair styles etc from the normal version of that race

[Themaginator]

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>We didn't interact with the gods directly in EQ1, either. I think the closest anyone got to working directly for a deity were high elves that did the Nature's Defender quest, or people that did the shawl if you count brell's avatar showing up to bless it. I always took it as the Deities are busy managing the affairs of thier sphere of Influence, countering other god's wills on norrath...things that us mere mortals can't help them with in the first place.At least in EQ2, while I can no longer go to the Plane of growth and see Tunare, and enjoy the serenity of the zone, at least her avatar on Norrath when she chooses to show herself can give me a nod and a divine buff as a token of her appreciation for my services in her name.And why is it 'weak' That the Child Goddess' avatar is child sized? even in the stories about their departure, they show that Quellious uses a small child's form, talking to her avatar.</blockquote>planes of power??we interacted with them quite directly in PoP...we killed parts of their essence hahaoh and if you are thinking PoP isnt in EQ2's time yes it is EQ2 starts right after PoP =P

[Gukkor2]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><b></b>It just seems strange to me that we perform all of these tasks in their name, but generally don't associate with each other.  The prophet/priest is the only other follower of our god that we interact with on that level, and that's unfortunate.</blockquote>Give the devs time.  That sort of interaction takes time to set up properly.

[Ama]

<p>Sadly ouka the problem is you can please some of the people some of the time, but not all of the people all of the time.  If it wasn't the OP having a grip about the avatars it would have been another.  Personally I think the art department has been doing a great job and the most interesting one is the Tribunal avatar. </p><p>Karana has a bit of a "WoWish" appearence to him which kinda disturbs me.  Bertoxx looks freakin sick which is the way he should look.  Personally I probably would have added in some like bubbling corpuscles eminating from his/its chest ozzing a yellowish, greenish, purplish slime.  I also would have had poison eminating from his mouth in a rabid form. </p><p>What would truely be wicked is if when he's attacked he decomposes changing forms throughout the fight using different techniques.  The rat would be disease, rotting darkelf poison, Iksar poison, human disease + poison, etc... . </p>

[Arianah]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote>Karana has a bit of a "WoWish" appearence to him which kinda disturbs me.</blockquote>Me too :/

[Themaginator]

<cite>Arianah wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote>Karana has a bit of a "WoWish" appearence to him which kinda disturbs me.</blockquote>Me too :/</blockquote>Stop it with the WOWISH IT DOESNT MATTER What WOW looks like!ugh

[Apocroph]

"Weak" because I'm a fan of hieratic scale.  She doesn't necessarily have to be the same size as the other avatars, three scale feet is fine.It's not a matter of her not being "unique" for me, so your assumption is a good way off, Themaginator.  It's simply a matter of preference.

[Cusashorn]

Anyone have a pic of Karana? Or The Tribunal or Bristlebane for that matter?

[Ama]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Anyone have a pic of Karana?</blockquote><p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?id=1537&section=News&locale=en_US" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Game update </a>42 preview has a pic of the 3 new avatars being added in.  </p><p><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/gameupdate42/karana.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="692" border="0" /></p><p>Have to say though for my money the coolest looking avatar is the Tribunal one right here.  These dudes look like they are ready to tear someone a new hole. </p><p><img src="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/images/en/features/gameupdate42/tribunal2.jpg" alt="" width="900" height="692" border="0" /></p>

[Cusashorn]

Wow. The Tribunal look like the Knights Templar or something. What happened to the shrouded robes!? O_o

[Arianah]

<cite></cite>I miss the shrouded robes on the Tribunal too, but I'm sure the new avatars have reasons for their new looks <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />So far, the Tribunal, Karana and Bertoxxulous are the only deities who've returned whose avatars were other than expected.

[Gukkor2]

<p>Karana actually looks a bit closer to his original concept art than his PoP incarnation did.  Still, it's not THAT different.  There's only so many ways to design an old wizardy-type guy.</p><p>Yeah, that's right, wizardy-type guy.</p><p>EDIT: Nevermind, the PoP version is closer to the original design by far, my mistake.  I wasn't looking at the pic of him when I was typing the post.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Perhaps the Tribunal are a wee bit overstated compared to the Templars, but, yes, definately different from the robed versions.</p><p><img src="http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/agh1950/knights.jpg?t=1202014600" border="0" alt="knights.jpg Monastic Orders picture by agh1950" width="604" height="640" /></p><p><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>[Note: the Hospitaller actually is carrying the Banner for the Guardians of the Holy Sepulchre, (adopted also by the Kingdom of Jerusalem), rather than that of his own Order--for those that follow such matters]</i></span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Perhaps the Tribunal are a wee bit overstated compared to the Templars, but, yes, definately different from the robed versions.</p><p><img src="http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t105/agh1950/knights.jpg?t=1202014600" border="0" alt="knights.jpg Monastic Orders picture by agh1950" width="604" height="640" /></p><p><span style="font-size: xx-small;"><i>[Note: the Hospitaller actually is carrying the Banner for the Guardians of the Holy Sepulchre, (adopted also by the Kingdom of Jerusalem), rather than that of his own Order--for those that follow such matters]</i></span></p></blockquote>Well you know what I ment. For some reason, Knights Templar was the only thing that came to mind, but only by name. I know nothing about them or the crusades in history. It just sorta came to me.

[Gukkor2]

<p>I'm sure there's some significance to the change in the Tribunal's appearance.  They have (in an unofficial context) taken on more warlike manifestations in the past, though.  There is an illustration in the PnP sourcebook for Everfrost Peaks depicting a scene from the story of how the majority of barbarians came to worship the Tribunal rather than the Marr twins.  Six beings clearly meant to be the Tribunal are shown watching the scene from the skies above, but their appearance is nothing like their standard robed form.  Instead, they look much like how one would imagine the Norse deities to look, with horned helmets, fur-lined armor, etc.  </p><p> The meaning behind that change in manifestation is fairly obvious, though.  This new appearance is more cryptic.</p>

[Gisallo]

I think part of the issue is "what makes a god".  Many of the gods, Tunare, the Marr twins, Zek, see themselves as embodiments of concepts that require a physical body and so their sense of self goes as far as to create that body.  Life has shapes.  To perform valorous deeds or to love someone else you need form.  To make war you need form, a hand to wield the weapon.  To hand out justice you have to be able to wield the gavel, or the executioner's axe.  Disease though is without shape.  It can come from the air itself, it can be carried by biting insects or animals.  His avatar could just have easily been a swarm of biting flies; or a dense, dark miasma.  Unlike the other gods his sense of self is likely far more amorphous. 

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm sure there's some significance to the change in the Tribunal's appearance.  They have (in an unofficial context) taken on more warlike manifestations in the past, though.  There is an illustration in the PnP sourcebook for Everfrost Peaks depicting a scene from the story of how the majority of barbarians came to worship the Tribunal rather than the Marr twins.  Six beings clearly meant to be the Tribunal are shown watching the scene from the skies above, but their appearance is nothing like their standard robed form.  Instead, they look much like how one would imagine the Norse deities to look, with horned helmets, fur-lined armor, etc.  </p><p> The meaning behind that change in manifestation is fairly obvious, though.  This new appearance is more cryptic.</p></blockquote>Incidentally, you can see in the screenshots that the Tribunal are standing on the iceflows in Everfrost.

[troodon]

<p>They're avatars, what they look like does not necessarily have anything to do with what the deity looks like.  Bertox's avatar could be a clown, or a dolphin, or Sam the Eagle and it wouldn't have anything to do with his preferred appearance.</p><p>On the other hand, perhaps he has chosen to change his preferred appearance.  Maybe he likes the Ratonga but thinks it's more comfortable to be an eviscerated one.  /shrug</p>

[Solento]

Or something happened while he was "away."

[ratdeath]

<span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>Squeek!!</b></span>The avatar of plaguebringer nots taken care of its fur very goods, every Ratonga knowses that ones need to comb fur often!But otherwise it looks good to me, nice as my Necro Ratonga will worship Bertoxxulous!

[teddyboy4]

Even though I don't think the look of the Avatars are directly related to the look of the god they represent, how do we know that the gods look even remotely like they used to. The gods, as we have discovered over the years, aren't the omnipotent deities free from mortal cares that we are familiar w/ from the major religions here on Earth. We also know that how we perceived them in the planar realms is how they wanted us to perceive them. So I think it's totally within reason that they have many different looks depending on their mood or other factors. Maybe they change their image like we change our clothes.

[Sylaz]

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Even though I don't think the look of the Avatars are directly related to the look of the god they represent, how do we know that the gods look even remotely like they used to. The gods, as we have discovered over the years, aren't the omnipotent deities free from mortal cares that we are familiar w/ from the major religions here on Earth. We also know that how we perceived them in the planar realms is how they wanted us to perceive them. So I think it's totally within reason that they have many different looks depending on their mood or other factors. Maybe they change their image like we change our clothes.</blockquote>While I understand all that, and it does make sense, I can't help but feel it's a complicated way of saying, "devs wanted something different and just did, regardless of any history/lore that might be needed to explain it."After seeing the pictures of Karana and the Tribunal I'm really disappointed. Part of what made the Tribunal awesome (in my opinion) was the whole grim reaper-esque feel to them. Just robes, with the face, if they even exist, hidden in the shadows.

[DrkVsr]

<span style="font-size: medium;color: #993300;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">If what Amana posted was the new-look Tribunal (not that ah know what the olde-look looked like <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) it looks (to me) like the 'judges' decided to step away from the benches waiting pacidly for souls to come before them and go out like the Judges (of Mega City One <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />) and proactively find the souls to judge <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></span>

[DrkVsr]

<p><span style="font-size: medium;color: #993300;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">Just looked at the pic of the new-look Uncle Berty, and me likey, looks good. Has everyone forgot that nearly all of the Plagubearers/Plagubringers under Qeynos are rats?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;color: #993300;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">Oh, and where in Goro is Uncle Berty's Prophet? Ah found Askr for Karana but haven't found Uncle Berty's prophet yet (not that ah looked that hard in Goro itself)</span></p>

[Shemyaza]

i think we should start calling the bert avatar Ratzilla.

[Gukkor2]

<cite>DrkVsr wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="font-size: medium;color: #993300;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">Just looked at the pic of the new-look Uncle Berty, and me likey, looks good. Has everyone forgot that nearly all of the Plagubearers/Plagubringers under Qeynos are rats?</span></p><p><span style="font-size: medium;color: #993300;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">Oh, and where in Goro is Uncle Berty's Prophet? Ah found Askr for Karana but haven't found Uncle Berty's prophet yet (not that ah looked that hard in Goro itself)</span></p></blockquote>He's hidden in an alcove right next to the Breathing Pools at the city's entrance.

[Sylaz]

He's in the Breathing Pools, in a small cavern in the back. If I'm not mistaken, when facing Gorowyn, go to the right of the chamber, and follow the outer wall around to him.

[DrkVsr]

<span style="font-size: medium;color: #993300;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">Thank you, did go to the right on the return to Goro, but must not have gone all the way around</span>

[TaleraRis]

I miss Depends Man. He was a lot more creepy for me than a deformed rat. And what in the name of Karana did they do to Karana?? He looks like a weedy little wizard! Even in the robe in PoP, he had a hearty, outdoorsman look to him.