RoK nameds IMMUNE to all my stuff

[Sigunn]

<p>Off we go, into a dungeon, all goes well. It is hard, but the group is coping with a few wipes. We all work together and having a blast.</p><p>Here comes the last named. Heads up guys, this is a really hard mob! Off we go. Tank taunting, healers healing, wizard & warlock nuking. Coercer... well. </p><p>I cant mez. Thats OK, because that would perhaps be seen as trivializing the content.</p><p>I cant root. Oh well. Maybe root and nuke would make the named too easy.</p><p>I'll stun a little. Oh, thats right. No stuns.</p><p>Maybe Daze? Nope. Stifle? Nope. Reactive stun? Nope. </p><p>Ending up with me casting my pathetic little damage things (pathetic compared to the others in this group) and feeding mana to the healer. I feel so worthless in those really hard mobfights, that it is ridiculous. </p><p>You would think there is a way of NOT trivializing content but still letting us do SOMETHING in the fight. Maybe let the CC abilities land for extremely short periods of time? </p>

[Gwynet]

Yeah sadly it seems that the trend from EQ1 is going on in this game.

[Balrok]

<p>imho... if mobs didn't have immunities, you could kill ANY Heroic mob in the game without a healer.  Now that would make a class trival.  Cycling the Stuns, Daze and Stifles, you can lock down heroic mobs till their dead (quick fights)  Let the healer(s) work for a change and load up those reactives.  RoK mobs will proc reactives alot more then previous mobs... so your dps really isn't all that bad.  And find a mage mob to charm, cause our pets are massive dps in RoK (am assuming they will scale them back soon).</p><p>Not sure what else you really would want... your still buffing the group and "should" be adding to the DPS.</p>

[Gwynet]

Personally as long as I still feel useful, it's what matters... even if it's just giving power and helping with hate issues.

[tralalak44]

<cite>Exur@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>imho... if mobs didn't have immunities, you could kill ANY Heroic mob in the game without a healer.  Now that would make a class trival.  Cycling the Stuns, Daze and Stifles, you can lock down heroic mobs till their dead (quick fights)  Let the healer(s) work for a change and load up those reactives.  RoK mobs will proc reactives alot more then previous mobs... so your dps really isn't all that bad.  And find a mage mob to charm, cause our pets are massive dps in RoK (am assuming they will scale them back soon).</p><p>Not sure what else you really would want... your still buffing the group and "should" be adding to the DPS.</p></blockquote>i dont play coercer for dps, i like my utility role. if i want high parses ill betray to illy and become spell spammer but this is boring as hell for me. there is no reason for heroic named to be immune (stun, daze, stiffle, mezz, root after next LU power drains will be useless too). if u mean that heroic nameds should be challenge so make them stronger and CCable as epics 1/3 duration + 3xlonger immune but not completly immune as they are now! i never died in instance in last month or two because mob was too powerfull but because of heavy lags that are too common on RE server last days and this is situation where 3s stun/daze make a difference.  

[Ran]

<p>there are not that much utility spells which excuse a low dps.... but if you wanne watch tv/read a book etc. this is the right way.</p>

[shogun007]

Everyone who will tell me i cant be picked for my dps will join my ignore list , and i wil join another grp . There are tons of T8 grps , that need a mezzer. All my buffs are macroed , same with power taps , mana transfer mana cloak etc. So i dont  have time to dps much , and with all my stuff being macroed - group knows how much i help them. I havent seen too many immunities in ROk , some mobs cant be charmed , some named cant be stunned , but there plenty of pets to choose from and we are not Stunlocking class , we are buffers with CC , if Cc dont work we buff. 

[Ran]

<p>"All my buffs are macroed , same with power taps , mana transfer mana cloak etc. So i dont  have time to dps much"</p><p>wait... manatransfer 20sec +, manacloak 3 minutes and channel 15min</p><p>what are you doing the rest of your time? You are a spamcaster... you have all time in the world to dps!</p>

[Signal9]

<cite>Sziroten@Valor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>"All my buffs are macroed , same with power taps , mana transfer mana cloak etc. So i dont  have time to dps much"</p><p>wait... manatransfer 20sec +, manacloak 3 minutes and channel 15min</p><p>what are you doing the rest of your time? You are a spamcaster... you have all time in the world to dps!</p></blockquote>Just remember not all Coercers are Chronomancer specced.

[shogun007]

<cite>Signal9 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sziroten@Valor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>"All my buffs are macroed , same with power taps , mana transfer mana cloak etc. So i dont  have time to dps much"</p><p>wait... manatransfer 20sec +, manacloak 3 minutes and channel 15min</p><p>what are you doing the rest of your time? You are a spamcaster... you have all time in the world to dps!</p></blockquote>Just remember not all Coercers are Chronomancer specced.</blockquote>  I am Sta/Wis specced. I have strong hate removals in Sta line , so my order in grp is Tash/Asylum/Mind/Scourge then i power tap, dot and watch wizards to prevent them from death. I could try go in reverse , damage is low nonetheless , so i dont pay much attention to it . Solo i break 2.5k in grp i am all utility anyway. I wouldnt trade Sta line for anything 16%heal crit chance, 8% deaggro , and 2 hate removals -) U can add up times when grp goes suicidal , when long fights occur, when tank unable to move and mob chases squishies and u only one who can save them etc, etc.. I have the power to do so much more then DPS , why would i stick to that role?

[Ran]

<cite>Signal9 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Sziroten@Valor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>"All my buffs are macroed , same with power taps , mana transfer mana cloak etc. So i dont  have time to dps much"</p><p>wait... manatransfer 20sec +, manacloak 3 minutes and channel 15min</p><p>what are you doing the rest of your time? You are a spamcaster... you have all time in the world to dps!</p></blockquote>Just remember not all Coercers are Chronomancer specced.</blockquote><p>Why not? There are so much AA points now... i just can say..  for me its a waste of points to spec not Chronomancer... i'm agi int and for the healcrit and groupdeaggro specced... i got no problems to solo or problems in groups or in raid. There is only one zone where i'm not under 30% and that's crypt of agony. I have never manaproblems solo or in group, same in raid.  When tank lose aggro.. thoughtsnap, .. there are easy ways to give em aggro back... hate removals is just a waste of time and when your tank never hold the aggro.... change your tank. </p><p>Aren't this deaggrospells groupbased? so --> useless on raid</p>

[Gwynet]

I couldn't live without the wisdom line personally.

[Ran]

where is the problem or... why can't you live without the wisdom line?

[tralalak44]

<cite>Sziroten@Valor wrote:</cite><blockquote>where is the problem or... why can't you live without the wisdom line?</blockquote>maybe he wants his stuns/mezzes/dazes lands almost with 100% succes or cca 900 to all resists is fine. i have wis 4488 too and with 492 subjugation (got equiped claymore so its another +68 subj) i can mezz/stun any mob in game with 99.9% succes i try running around with 450 subj and even with T8 masters i saw too many resists on my mezz, stun, root, charm = deaths, while soloing chelsith. with almost 500 subj + claymore proc i saw maybe 1-2 resist in 3-4 runs togeother. and this is nice on coercer, u can play and spec your toon how u like that. u wanna be almost comapred dps to wiz/illy? np u can do that u wanna do support? np go for it. or u want to be great soloer? everythink u wish u can be.

[Ran]

<cite>shogun007 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Everyone who will tell me i cant be picked for my dps will join my ignore list , and i wil join another grp . There are tons of T8 grps , that need a mezzer. All my buffs are macroed , same with power taps , mana transfer mana cloak etc. So i dont  have time to dps much , and with all my stuff being macroed - group knows how much i help them. I havent seen too many immunities in ROk , some mobs cant be charmed , some named cant be stunned , but there plenty of pets to choose from and we are not Stunlocking class , we are buffers with CC , if Cc dont work we buff.  </blockquote><p>i answered at this and there is no word from soloing.... yeah for pure solo ability's there are betther aa trees to skill but this was not the case in this voted above.</p><p>for pure groupactions.. i land my mezz the most time and for raiding.. who cares your soloability there?.. so yeah i'll agree for soloing there are other ways to go.</p>