Norrathians for the Ethical Treatment of High Elves

[Duboir]

I have become weary of hearing about the greatness of these lesser races. Dark Elves are twisted mutations of the beautiful High Elves. Arasai are the twisted creations of a twisted creation. Sarnak, iksar, kerran, gnolls, all mutations. Tunare, blessings upon her, Brell, Vee'shan and Prexus are the only creator gods. All else merely twist and deform.NETHE believe that it is only just and fair that the High Elves are placed once again on the pedestal as the greatest of the Norrathian races. We are a group  committed to seeing this come about.Enough is enough. It is time for all those true to the Koada'dal to band together and fight the inspid whimperings of fools and imbeciles that suggest that any race can be considered greater, purer or more beautiful than the Koada'dal.

[Josgar]

:O I think I have found my new best friend. I have been saying this same thing forever, but I keep getting shot down >.>Koada'Dal, Koada'Dal, Koada'Dal!

[Duboir]

NETHE thanks you for your support noble Josgar. You are well known to us as a champion of the Koada'dal cause. It is a shame we are on different worlds.No longer will you fight alone!

[Josgar]

And those silly fools think that I josgar, Norrath's Best High Elf, Self proclaimed it... I have a follower, I have a follower!

[Duboir]

Hmm... don't misunderstand me, Josgar. You have our support and respect, but NETHE does not follow anyone except Tunare. We are the leaders of the new reign of the Koada'dal. You are invited to join us, and either way we will support you, but we do NOT follow.

[niko_teen]

<p>We all know that Tunare created the elves.... But if you take a close look at the two races of elves that are true to Tunare I believe you'll find the wood elves closer to tunare then our upidy high elf cousins. </p><p>So yeah so long as the Feir'Dal stand one step above our Koada'Dal cousins I'll agree with the fact that you should recieve ethical treatment</p>

[Duboir]

We accept your support, you're welcome.The wood elves are Tunare's children and you would be considered for our organisation, but you are the middle child, not the eldest. If you are feeling a bit short, go stand in Kelethin.The ethical treatment we refer to is the treatment of the Koada'dal as the most pure, beautiful, graceful and wise of the races. We do not disagree that you are naturally faster runners than us or would win in a game of hide and seek. In those areas, you have our permission to describe yourself as superior.

[Josgar]

<cite>Duboir@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Hmm... don't misunderstand me, Josgar. You have our support and respect, but NETHE does not follow anyone except Tunare. We are the leaders of the new reign of the Koada'dal. You are invited to join us, and either way we will support you, but we do NOT follow.</blockquote>((thats me throwing my ego into the mix... basically to josgar, everyone is his follower :O even if they just glance at him xD))

[Duboir]

Completely understandable my good Elf. I too find it hard to understand why people do not sing my praises and throw flowers behind me.I think it is important that we High Elves reach consensus on who are acceptable races to approach us and talk to us. Now, I have compiled a list, tell me what you think?Superior- Tunare.Equals- Dragons.Acceptable- Dwarves, Wood Elves, Frogloks, Fae, Halflings. Most Half Elves, and some Gnomes, Humans, Kerrans and Erudites- but they need to be REALLY respectful.Lesser- Iksar, Sarnak, Barbarians, Most Erudite, Gnomes, Humans and Kerrans. Filthy- Dark Elves, Arasai,  Ogres, Trolls, Ratonga.

[Ekuthh]

<p>May your list bring you comfort as you lie spilling your lifeblood on my shoes, Koad'dal.</p>

[Pyra Shineflame]

<p>Little minds can only understand little things and great minds only great things. </p><p>That leaves me to wonder what one who limits his mind can see. Arasai, filthy?</p><p>*raises an eyebrow and looks almost amused*</p><p>Perfection is never "filthy."</p>

[Zechariah]

<p>dude...like relax and stuff. high elves are cool and all (even though none like to hang out with me and bet on the pig races) but dang.  by the way which 'dal am I? I can never remember... /puffs on smokeweed</p><p>oh and id like to give a shout out to the wood elf yesterday (i told you i could outdrink you!) that backed me up in the bar fight yesterday in graystone...you know who im talkin bout!</p>

[Ekuthh]

And <i>this</i> is why the Tier'Dal keep our bloodlines pure. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Duboir]

<cite>Pyra Shineflame wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Little minds can only understand little things and <b>great minds only great things</b>. </p></blockquote>    Hmm, yes. That is probably why I don't understand the little Arasai. Christanos committed great sin in creating those things, do not mistake it for anything other than the twisted creation of a twisted mutation.As for Teir'dal bloodlines being pure, Innoruuk ensured the impurity of your race by defiling the original leaders of our people.

[niko_teen]

<cite>Duboir@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>As for Teir'dal bloodlines being pure, Innoruuk ensured the impurity of your race by defiling the original leaders of our people.</blockquote>And this alone leads to the fact why Koad'dal will never truely be as grand as the Feir'Dal no matter how haughtily high and mightly they can be at times. Don't get my wrong you high elves bring a close second but you all did manage to bring about the Tier'Dal from your infighting while we Feir'Dal walk a path that more closely mimics our mother.

[Drager]

These thoughts of our kind only bring corruption. do you see what your elitism has brought to Felwithe. you shall suffer the same fate if you do not change your ways. you can not judge the person on race our society. you say your selves better than the Dark Elves. you share the same Elitism and the same feelings for all other races. denounce the illusions of grandeur placed on you by society or perish with our ansestorsi would gladly live the Gnolls rather than to return to that City of Hatebecause that is what it has become     

[Duboir]

Please explain Niko? My understanding is that the elves Innoruuk defiled were the the King and Queen of ALL elves- at the time there was no distinction between 'dals. It was the demi-God Innoruuk that caused the Teir'dal by abducting and deforming Noble Elves.

[Duboir]

    <cite>Drager@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote>These thoughts of our kind only bring corruption. do you see what your elitism has brought to Felwithe. you shall suffer the same fate if you do not change your ways. you can not judge the person on race our society. you say your selves better than the Dark Elves. you share the same Elitism and the same feelings for all other races. denounce the illusions of grandeur placed on you by society or perish with our ansestors   </blockquote>`Drager, I feel your frustration. However it seems you have been misled- our elitism is not only deserved, it is necessary for the survival of our race. Otherwise we will soon be left with only half elves, and who will stand against the Teir'dal and their winged pets then?Humans have shown themselves to be fickle at best, even those from Qeynos slaughter the wildlife on their plains in their thousands on the say so of their superiors. We do not know enough yet about where the Sarnak or the Iksar would stand, but you can be sure it would be to advance their own interests.I feel for you, brother, even your Tunare-given intelligence seems to be failing from ongoing exposure to the weaker races. I offer my scholarly services to you, if you need assistance with spelling and grammar in future posts. We must set an example for the other races to follow so that all who walk in the light and fight evil may stand behind the Koada'dal when the time to cleanse Norrath comes.

[Drager]

i feel for you, you are far from enlightenment. you follow our corrupt elders no doubt. the same elders that exiled me as a child saying it was Tunare's wish. it is for the good of all, that we drop this mentality. we are no more intelligent than anyone else. intelligence depends on the subject. i can show you a Gnoll thats wisdom far exceeds that of any High Elf. I ask you this, do you understand a shadow can you predict a storm by the sky can you call on the mother of life and hear her voice. and do you know the calm serenity of the Nameless who's voice lives within us all, who's influence touches everything. you say Tunare designed us to be perfect, now if we were perfect then i doubt we would be bragging about it and putting all other races down. If we were perfect we would not be calling our selves superior because we would not care about being superior. Try finding something better for your mind to ponder.     

[Duboir]

What you say would be lovely, brother, but we have been attacked by gnolls, we have been attacked by every race on this world. Why? Because they do not accept the High Elves right to live in peace and perfection. The respect for the High Elves has been withered away by the jealousy of the lesser races. My organisation, NETHE, was formed for the purpose of restoring the High Elves to their place at the pinnacle of Norrathian life. To ease your concerns, you should know we are not an exclusivist society, any may join so long as they demonstrate that their respect for the High Elves is great enough.Just so you know, in answer to your questions- Yes, yes, yes, and as I am a citizen of the universe, yes.My offer of spelling and grammatical tuition still stands as well.

[Drager]

you seem not to respond on my comparison of the high elves with the dark elves is their a purpose to this your cultures share so much both elites you know the live longer than us right? they have gained their respect through hate is this not the course that the high elves are on. all races are under attack by everyone and you complain when you have to work for respect. do you know why we lost respect from other races. it is because the constant elitism. instead of helping the world we only sat back and devised new ways to make our selves superior. rather than create a society to protect Koada'dal make one that helps all of Norrath. if you do this you will gain the respect that our ancient ancestors had. tuanre gives us many gifts use them to better Life Tunares creation rather than just yourselves

[niko_teen]

<cite>Duboir@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Please explain Niko? My understanding is that the elves Innoruuk defiled were the the King and Queen of ALL elves- at the time there was no distinction between 'dals. It was the demi-God Innoruuk that caused the Teir'dal by abducting and deforming Noble Elves.</blockquote><p>This I understand to be true. But according to your earlier statements it seemed that you where claiming the orrigional king and queen of the elves as Koada'Dal. Not that I'd expect anything from our closest cousins. </p><p>But we must also realise that the fallen king and queen did not beget the entire race. It was not only them and if you don't mind the quote: "Dark elves, also known by the Elder Elvish term 'Teir'Dal,' were created in the ancient past by Innoruuk, God of Hate, who totured, twisted, and pervertted captive <b>high elves</b>." </p><p>I take that quote from a long trusted tome that I can lend to you the next time you make it to South Qeynos. <Everquest II Player's guide></p><p>You're good and not a twisted race, Like i have said all along. You should recieve the respect deserved being a child of Tunare just you come in a close second.</p>

[Duboir]

Drager, I will NOT compare the Koada'dal to the Teir'dal. It is beneath any who call themselves Elves to even contemplate.Niko, I apologise if I unintentionally seemed to claim those elves as Koada'dal. Although realistically, the race of the elves at that time probably closely resembled the Koada'dal than the wood elves. Yours was a move away from danger, to hide in the trees while the Koada fought and died.As I said earlier, there is no argument that you would win in hide and seek, and you are our kin and children of Tunare so we forgive you for the slight. There is little else but to pray for the time when the Koada'dal, the Renda'dal and the Feir'dal can together join once more as a single united elvish race.

[Drager]

i believe and only think this that King Tex being royalty would most resemble the first Elves so in a sense these would. as well the Dark elves being the equal opposite of High elves would only suggest that King Tex was one of the original elves. this brings me to this statement if you truly want to distant yourself from the Tier'dal they being the people of hate let the Koada'dal be the people of love and respect.     

[Duboir]

We already have the wood elves spouting love and respect for all creatures great and small. The thing is, I don't see them going up and hugging the Teir'dal Assassin sticking a knife in their ribs. NETHE hates no one except the Teir'dal and their winged pets. However we will not stand aside while our noble culture is denigrated. I personally have had many arguments with those who do not believe in High Elvish rights, but am also the first to pat them on the back when they do something worthy of respect- usually that's when they see the folly of their ways.

[Pyra Shineflame]

<cite>Duboir@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pyra Shineflame wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Little minds can only understand little things and <b>great minds only great things</b>. </p></blockquote>    Hmm, yes. That is probably why I don't understand the little Arasai. Christanos committed great sin in creating those things, do not mistake it for anything other than <b>the twisted creation of a twisted mutation.</b>As for Teir'dal bloodlines being pure, Innoruuk ensured the impurity of your race by defiling the original leaders of our people.</blockquote><p>Your slander and blind notions are almost amusing! You've painted a picture of most horrible creatures there, I'd never mistake myself as one of those!</p><p>But let's play some mind games, shall we?</p><p>Tunare created the Koada'Dal, how should that make you great? Is your Creator any better than another?</p><p>I view your kind as like the ground or a piece of ore. And perhaps, I dare say, an uncut gem. Unaware of its potential, under used and arrogant despite its lowly state.</p><p>Neglected.</p><p>You should feel blessed that one decided to cut away the impurities. Smelt the weaknesses and test the final product for flaws.</p><p>A shelter from earth. A sword or shield from ore. A wonder from rough material.</p><p>Hmmm, perhaps you *do* need more respect after all....if only for being the foundation.</p>

[Drager]

i ask you this what makes the Koada'dal perfect?live a day in another races world ...you know there is magic that can do this.i do not doubt that you pat them on the back but a helping hand is far better. this may show you the right path

[niko_teen]

<cite>Pyra Shineflame wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Tunare created the Koada'Dal, how should that make you great? Is your Creator any better than another?</p></blockquote>To an extent. At least our creator did not abandon her elf creations like Inuurok did when he created the Luggald. Poor Teir'Dal being abandoned like a child tired of playing with the same toy.

[Ekuthh]

<p>Our gracious Lord Innoruk did not <i>abandon</i> His children.  </p><p>To think otherwise is sheerest heresy.</p><p>He left us to our own devices for a time to test the strength of His creations.  If we were to fail, to not prove ourselves capable of survival, then we would indeed deserve extinction.  </p><p>Does not the mother bird cast her offspring from the nest to force them to fly? And does she then fly down and coddle those who fail, embrace them and welcome them back into the nest, to use up precious space and food best given to the strong?</p><p>No.  She leaves them to either survive or die, providing food for other predators whose duty and right it is to cull the weak of the world.</p><p>We Tier'dal know these things to be true.  Our own offspring we test, culling the weak to ensure the strong survive.</p><p>We are those predators, and it is our duty and right to cull the weak among you.</p><p>It is as Innoruk intended.</p>

[niko_teen]

So where does a bunch of 3 1/3 foot tall halfing blowing up your city and sending you running to freeport to have the humans save you race fit into that mix?

[Pyra Shineflame]

<p>"That was a momentary lapse in perfection."</p>

[Duboir]

I tihnk he might have.There's a creator who is greater than Tunare however its not little Inny. See, he isn't a creator, especially not of elves, at all. He's a defiler, a mutator. To call him anything else is the true heresy.As for the ore analogy...I think it is something we can all agree on that I am WELL aware of my potential, as is Josgar,  and countless other elvish champions. Let me ask you this- who were the two most powerful seers that could potentially uncover the riddle of the Chelsith stone. A Dragon and a ... no, not a dark elf.. oh, big surprise, a High Elf. Perfection indeed, if only we could live even longer this would be a happier realm.

[Ekuthh]

<cite>niko_teen wrote:</cite><blockquote>So where does a bunch of 3 1/3 foot tall halfing blowing up your city and sending you running to freeport to have the humans save you race fit into that mix?</blockquote><p>We had become weak, decadent and self-absorbed.  Innoruk saw our overconfidence and allowed the vermin to destroy us.  This, as I explained previously, was justified.  </p><p>When the predator grows lax, permits the prey to taunt him and does nothing, he is predator no longer.  He has lost his way and is now one of the weak.</p><p>Many of the weak were culled in Neriak.  Those strong enough to survive implanted themselves in Freeport to influence the weak-willed humans and thier Lich-Lord Lucan.  This was a calculated action, not one of desperation as you imply.  We saved ourselves by taking advantage of the humans.</p><p>Ask yourself, why is it that a Tier'Dal stands at Lucan's right hand and not one of the Lesser Races?  And one day, the Lich shall find a dagger in his back.</p><p>We true Tier'dal have learned from our previous arrogance and impetuousness.  Small steps, careful steps shall ensure our victory.  Those followers of the b*tch Queen Christanos and her perverted creations have not yet learned this lesson.  They shall.</p><p>Let the Lesser Races swagger and bluster in the light.  Let Christanos and her hordes them waste themselves on thier foolish philosophies and dreams of grandeur.</p><p>We shall wait.  We are patient.  We shall rise again.</p>

[Pyra Shineflame]

<p>I'm not so naive to think that the hard work or the few equaled a statement for the entire race.</p><p>If I did, I would think all Koada'Dal fools that deserve nothing more than death such as Lenya Thex.</p><p>Aware of your potential, you claim?</p><p>Do tell...created any races lately? Or are they just hiding among the Renda'Dal?</p><p>You'd have my applause were it not that the blotch that is New Tunaria stain your perfect complexions.</p>

[Pyra Shineflame]

<cite>Ekuth@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>niko_teen wrote:</cite><blockquote>So where does a bunch of 3 1/3 foot tall halfing blowing up your city and sending you running to freeport to have the humans save you race fit into that mix?</blockquote><p>We had become weak, decadent and self-absorbed.  Innoruk saw our overconfidence and allowed the vermin to destroy us.  This, as I explained previously, was justified.  </p><p>When the predator grows lax, permits the prey to taunt him and does nothing, he is predator no longer.  He has lost his way and is now one of the weak.</p><p>Many of the weak were culled in Neriak.  Those strong enough to survive implanted themselves in Freeport to influence the weak-willed humans and thier Lich-Lord Lucan.  This was a calculated action, not one of desperation as you imply.  We saved ourselves by taking advantage of the humans.</p><p>Ask yourself, why is it that a Tier'Dal stands at Lucan's right hand and not one of the Lesser Races?  And one day, the Lich shall find a dagger in his back.</p><p>We true Tier'dal have learned from our previous arrogance and impetuousness.  Small steps, careful steps shall ensure our victory.  Those followers of the b*tch Queen Christanos and <b>her perverted creations</b> have not yet learned this lesson.  They shall.</p><p>Let the Lesser Races swagger and bluster in the light.  Let Christanos and her hordes them waste themselves on thier foolish philosophies and dreams of grandeur.</p><p>We shall wait.  We are patient.  We shall rise again.</p></blockquote>What have we done to be seen in such an uncomplimentary light?

[niko_teen]

<p>Niko interlaces his fingers and pushed his arms out to strech his shoulders. </p><p>"Fier'Dal are apearing in a much cleaner light now arn't they," Niko paused as he stood up and made his way toward the door to head home to bed for the night. "But like i've said all along cousin you're the cloest thing to a second prize out there."</p>

[Drager]

<cite></cite><cite></cite><span class="name"><b>Pyra Shineflame wrote</b></span><blockquote>What have we done to be seen in such an uncomplimentary light?</blockquote>ahh just what the Kaoda'dal have done. Your society has feed notions of hate for all races this on the other side the Koada'dal feed their children notions of grandeur and elitism leading both races down the same path we as a society do not hate all but as you can see thinking ourselves better than any other never helps will you not Recognize the equality of all races your people are able to see and utilize the skills of others. will you not take the next step to greater thought to greater understanding. if we can all join together we could increase the qaulity of life for all people all races.      

[Sha]

 Innoruuk took the high elves and <i>improved</i> them, so if anyone is superior, its Tier'dal *smug smile*

[Drager]

<cite>Shado@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote> Innoruuk took the high elves and <i>improved</i> them, so if anyone is superior, its Tier'dal *smug smile*</blockquote>How so how are you better than any other i have heard many claims but no PROOF!*Lightning strikes

[niko_teen]

<cite>Shado@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote> Innoruuk took the high elves and <i>improved</i> them, so if anyone is superior, its Tier'dal *smug smile*</blockquote><p>So by your same logic when I spray a rose (it is close to valentine's day after all) with a blighting agent and it withers I am inproving it? Innorruk is the corrupter after all. He's not know as the 'improver.'</p>

[Zechariah]

<p><cite><a href="mailto<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />uboir@Permafrost" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Duboir@Permafrost</a> wrote:</cite></p><blockquote>    <cite>Drager@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote>These thoughts of our kind only bring corruption. do you see what your elitism has brought to Felwithe. you shall suffer the same fate if you do not change your ways. you can not judge the person on race our society. you say your selves better than the Dark Elves. you share the same Elitism and the same feelings for all other races. denounce the illusions of grandeur placed on you by society or perish with our ansestors   </blockquote>`Drager, I feel your frustration. However it seems you have been misled- our elitism is not only deserved, it is necessary for the survival of our race. Otherwise we will soon be left with only half elves, and who will stand against the Teir'dal and their winged pets then?</blockquote><p>Dude I will!  But are there gonna be smoke breaks?</p>

[Pyra Shineflame]

<cite>Drager@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><cite></cite><span class="name"><b>Pyra Shineflame wrote</b></span><blockquote>What have we done to be seen in such an uncomplimentary light?</blockquote>ahh just what the Kaoda'dal have done. <b>Your society has feed notions of hate for all races this on the other side the Koada'dal feed their children notions of grandeur and elitism leading both races down the same path</b> we as a society do not hate all but as you can see thinking ourselves better than any other never helps will you not Recognize the equality of all races your people are able to see and utilize the skills of others. will you not take the next step to greater thought to greater understanding. if we can all join together we could increase the qaulity of life for all people all races.       </blockquote><p>Uncontrolled hate blinds and I think you will find that those that do not control their tongues or actions in this "society" of ours soon leave it.</p><p>Violently.</p><p>Illusions of grandeur are not so easy to confine. </p><p>And, you are horribly misguided. If all races and all people were to overcome the impossible and do as you suggest, Norrath would crumble.</p><p>Nature get along just fine with the wolf hunting the deer after all. The day that wolf begins preaching about the "betterment of all" he either starves to death or the system decays.</p><p>Some...wishful thinking you have there.</p>

[Grimdeath]

I think once you haughty, ignorant High Elves marshall together and reclaim your city, then and <b>only then</b> will you be able to lay claim to any form of respect you may deserve.Until then, continue complaining about how bad you have it and how much respect you <b>wish</b> to receive. You will never get it. You are a fallen race; one that was once proud and had something to be proud of. Today, you are the shadows of your former selves. NETHE is nothing but a fanatical organisation, run by a "person" that will stop at nothing to gain more power.As for the High Elf discovering the workings of the Stone of Shissar; this is only but <b>one</b> event where the High Elves have played a role. It has been up to other races, factions and guilds to stop other threats to Norrath. I'm sure this will continue.I make it clear - as a Necromancer and an Erudite, I <b>do not</b> support NETHE and <b>do not </b>support High Elves in any fashion. As far as I am concerned, I can use you for my undead legions. You would have more of an ethical outlook on life then <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> ....

[niko_teen]

<p>/pinches his nose to try and ward off the stench coming from Grim's undead companion</p><p>Dude seriously I get your point but can you and your stinky friend there move along. I know you rune heads are a little wierd and nercos have to have your undead rotting companions.</p><p>Nethe, well, as I've kept along the whole time High elves do deserve respect because well in the end... I've yet to see a high elf bring a walking fetid corpse around and expect the rest of us to not mind and even less not notice.</p><p>((ooc: All in fun <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />))</p>

[Josgar]

As you all look over to the distance, over a hill, towards the east, and in front of the rising sun you see a majestic caravan. It is filled with Elvish people riding gallant horses. In the center of the crowd you see a clearing. In this clearing there are 6 humans carrying a throne. On top of the throne sits Josgar. He starts to preach the truths about elvish kind."Why hello kind folk. I am here to inform you of your inferior making. We High Elves are of the one true deity on Norrath. Tunare, the Mother of All guides us to be like her more and more each day. We are over you all and you will have to accept it. Please part from the road so we may continue on. We have important business to attend to. I and my own alliance of followers will be talking with NETHE about a temporary alliance in which I, Norrath's Best High Elf, will lead a revolt against the New Tunarians, Lanaya Thex, Maygong Mistmoore and the hole of Tunaria. We will fight for our freedom, our lives, our town. We will show those Renda'Dal who should be in Felwithe. Down with New Tunaria!Shortly after reclaiming Felwithe from that scum, we will turn our attentions towards those who caused us such harm. Instead of hiding we will fight! We will go out and vanquish those who wronged us. The Tier'Dal will once and for all be destroyed by the Koada'Dal with the help of Tunare. We will liberate those Arasai's spirit buds so they can return to being Fae, and we will help the wood elves return to Kelethin and build an entire new home for the Fae. We will rise up and claim what is ours. Our true place.Koada'Dal UNITE!

[niko_teen]

<p>/quirks a brow as he listens to the retroic</p><p>Any chance of giving the fae spirit buds to the Arasai. I mean seriously I place my coffee mug on the table for ten minutes and there is so much of that annoying dust flapping off their wings that the entire cup is ruined. And oh yeah I know this half elf chick who couldn't even spent the night at my place because of her allergies to fae dust. Yeah total buz kill so yeah i guess in the end I'm happy with Qeynos.</p>

[kyrr]

This petty bickering of which race is superior amuses me. Every being on Norrath has a role to play so too do the races.Perhaps you should look to yourselves before proclaiming your race is superior.  I have often found in my travels that it is in fact a sense ofinadequacy that leads most to claim superiority. The more inadequate you feel the louder you proclaim you are superior in an effort to convinceyourself.Be content with your role, and know that no other can fulfill it as well as you can. Strive to become better at it. This is what the ancestors have taught us.Kerrans have no creator, god or mortal, so we have no need to seek the approval of such a being.We are from the land, the air, the spirits of our world. We seek the guidance of our ancestors so that we may learn from the past to better our future.We do not feel the need to be superior to others. We know our place. It is ours alone and no one will take it from us. "Good" or "Evil" we are as one. We weren't always united and some would say we lost a lot of what we were in The Shattering, but they are not Kerra. They do not know what it is to be Kerra.No other race can understand what it is to be us. We can not know what it is to be another race. We do not want their place. We want ours.We are strong. We are one. We are Kerra.

[niko_teen]

<p>/scraches his chin for a minute thinking of a witty response then instead places a saucer on the floor and fills it with a think layer of cream.</p><p>Shhh that's a good kitty. Not you enjoy your milk and let us get back to our discussion. I remember how the Shir'Val used to get all emotional when they talked about not having a god. </p><p>/ponders loading over ripened cheeries into sling shot and pelting the NETHE chair person with them.... Then playing hide and seak.</p>

[Josgar]

<cite>niko_teen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>/scraches his chin for a minute thinking of a witty response then instead places a saucer on the floor and fills it with a think layer of cream.</p><p>Shhh that's a good kitty. Not you enjoy your milk and let us get back to our discussion. I remember how the <span style="color: #ff0000;">Shir'Val</span> used to get all emotional when they talked about not having a god. </p><p>/ponders loading over ripened cheeries into sling shot and pelting the NETHE chair person with them.... Then playing hide and seak.</p></blockquote>vah shir?

[Melodee]

<p>**Sits quietly listening to all the bickering, then stands and quietly begins to speak**</p><p>Each of you thinks yourself better than the other in one way or the other. But, I ask you, why do you insist on proclaiming yourselves "perfect"? Are you, then, attempting to proclaim yourselves a race of gods? For only one being is perfect in reality............ albeit that in itself would cause you to begin a discussion on which god is the superior. I suppose.........</p><p>**Walks slowly away with a mischevious grin on her face**</p><p>........... that would make us Ayr'Dal slightly more superior as we realize there is only ONE perfect entity!</p>

[Grimdeath]

<cite>niko_teen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I remember how the Shir'Val <snip> </p></blockquote>Don't you mean the Vah Shir? The race (pre-Kerra) that was moved to Luclin and were annihilated when Luclin was destroyed?My ancestors had a lot to do with that scenario <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />This might have been a fitting end to High Elves... Norrath doesn't need them.

[Docma]

<p>We at the temporary offices of the Ultimate Adventurer's Guide to Norrath believe that until <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=249196" target="_blank">one highly relevant and important question</a> can be conclusively answered the jury is still out on whether or not high elves actually qualify as higher beings or are just biologically misunderstood.</p><p>If anyone has a method they're willing to put to the err .... sword of science (so to speak) I'd be more than happy to hear about your results.</p>

[Drager]

<cite>Pyra Shineflame wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Uncontrolled hate blinds and I think you will find that those that do not control their tongues or actions in this "society" of ours soon leave it.</p><p>Violently.</p><p>Illusions of grandeur are not so easy to confine. </p><p>And, you are horribly misguided. If all races and all people were to overcome the impossible and do as you suggest, Norrath would crumble.</p><p>Nature get along just fine with the wolf hunting the deer after all. The day that wolf begins preaching about the "betterment of all" he either starves to death or the system decays.</p><p>Some...wishful thinking you have there.</p></blockquote>you must be mistaken. do you k now the deer that live in norrath? they are very powerful even with the ability to use magic at will and are  a equal match  for the strongest of wolves. this is so with rats and badgers and lizards and every other type of creature that lives here. but do you know what makes the wolves strong is that they work together they take out the weak deer so the rest of the herd can survive. but guess what you are the weak deer and we the people who believe in equality we are the hungery wolves.

[Drager]

Kebian you can kill josgar and if the wound heals its self than im willing to agree that high elves are superior.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />just joking....sort of

[Docma]

<cite>Drager@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote>Kebian you can kill josgar and if the wound heals its self than im willing to agree that high elves are superior.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />just joking....sort of</blockquote><p>In jest or not, that suggestion doesn't prove superiority in any sense of the word. As I'm sure you already know, any berk who proclaims him/herself 'adventurer for the Queen/the Overlord/whatever nominal head of state folk of Neriak/Kelethin/Lizardland serve' can then apply in person to the Concordium, the Academy or similar groups and arrange for the 'Revive Special'. In essence, anyone willing to sell afore-mentioned groups a small part of their beings can achieve immortality of a sort. On a sidenote, what said groups do with those small parts of everyone they're collecting might make for a good article in the Guide. My own theory, yet to be disproven, is they use them as kitty in highstakes games of chance each Friday night at a closed door drinking session.</p><p>In any case, the Guide's already shown that immortality alone does not make one 'superior' (see <b><span style="color: #00ffff;">UAG2N: T</span><span style="color: #33ccff;">he Chronicles of Bugswort the Unclean</span></b> - in short, ogre achieves immortality and spends eternity cataloging what comes out of his nose).</p><p>And besides, none of that answers the question: How Does One Tell A High Elf Male from a High Elf Female?</p><p>Josgar? NETHE Chair (whose name I never really bothered to remember)? You two seem to have a fairly good grasp of yourselves. Do you, perchance, have an answer?</p>

[Pyra Shineflame]

<cite>Drager@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Pyra Shineflame wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>Uncontrolled hate blinds and I think you will find that those that do not control their tongues or actions in this "society" of ours soon leave it.</p><p>Violently.</p><p>Illusions of grandeur are not so easy to confine. </p><p>And, you are horribly misguided. If all races and all people were to overcome the impossible and do as you suggest, Norrath would crumble.</p><p>Nature get along just fine with the wolf hunting the deer after all. The day that wolf begins preaching about the "betterment of all" he either starves to death or the system decays.</p><p>Some...wishful thinking you have there.</p></blockquote>you must be mistaken. do you k now the deer that live in norrath? they are very powerful even with the ability to use magic at will and are  a equal match  for the strongest of wolves. this is so with rats and badgers and lizards and every other type of creature that lives here. but do you know what makes the wolves strong is that they work together they take out the weak deer so the rest of the herd can survive. but guess what you are the weak deer and we the people who believe in equality we are the hungery wolves. </blockquote><p>So those who believe in equality are the ones who will band together and remove the blight in our society?</p><p>Sounds about right.</p><p>Except we tend to cull them ourselves, therefore you serve no real purpose other than to be the nameless foe that strives us to reach greater heights.</p><p>But to believe you better...*laughs*</p><p>I shall wait and see.</p>

[Drager]

interesting are your views you disagree with me but yet i am assured you contradict yourself.  we will defeat you because we can utilize each others strengths to increase our over all strength. you do this when forming a group. a group full of casters will never get as far as a group with a healer and a tank and a utility class to increase productivity as well as other forms of damagea army full of mages will be destroyed when faced with a well balanced army as the same a army full of dark elf will be destroyed  when faced with a multicultural army.because some races are better at things than others  

[Pyra Shineflame]

<cite>Drager@Nektulos wrote:</cite><blockquote>interesting are your views you disagree with me but yet i am assured you contradict yourself.  we will defeat you because we can utilize each others strengths to increase our over all strength. you do this when forming a group. a group full of casters will never get as far as a group with a healer and a tank and a utility class to increase productivity as well as other forms of damagea army full of mages will be destroyed when faced with a well balanced army as the same a army full of dark elf will be destroyed  when faced with a multicultural army.<b>because some races are better at things than others</b>   </blockquote><p>You seem to believe that I am a Teir'Dal. Or that the Nerian society is somehow stupid or naive enough to not use other races for our disposal.</p><p>There is a reason why the Foreign Quarter exists.</p><p>That aside, training and magic can go far in covering these inherent weaknesses that you speak of, agreed? A Teir'Dal would be extremely hard pressed to match the strength of a barbarian, excuse me, Halasian. But a Teir'Dal's ruthlessness and cunning would close that gap to the point where a victory is certainly possible. </p><p>But of course, why bother pitting a Child of Innoruuk against a barabarian when we have a troll?</p>

[Drager]

im sorry if i guessed your race wrong your demeanor reminded me of that of a Teir'dal's.any way the Tier'dal are very versatile with the ability to take on a multitude of classes just as the Koada'dal are. i assure you that each race has its own ideals, strengths and weaknesses. intelligence and strength speed and wisdom these are all things that strengths some and are the weaknesses of others. do you want to know the Koada'dals greatest weakness?its is there elitism,<i><b> </b></i>narcissism, and their over all belief they are better than everyone else; this is what will be ourdownfallthis I assure you      

[Duboir]

<cite>Kebian@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>And besides, none of that answers the question: How Does One Tell A High Elf Male from a High Elf Female?<p>Josgar?<b> NETHE Chair (whose name I never really bothered to remember</b>)? You two seem to have a fairly good grasp of yourselves. Do you, perchance, have an answer?</p></blockquote>Rude!Anyway, We don't want to get crude or anything, but we're very sure there's some major anatomical differences between males and females. If you don't know them, you should probably just do some research first. The guide is useful for a laugh, as was that post. A joke, if not a terribly witty one. Now then, it makes us smile to see the outpouring of support for our cause. That so many from the city of Neriak are so violently opposed to it clearly demonstrates that we are achieving what we have set out to achieve. So thank you Pyro, your ramblings have brought many a smile to our faces. Grimdeath is not worth any of our time, his "undead legion" couldn't fight their way out of a used doggy bag. Please continue to rant all of you, it amuses us.Now to the more serious matter of our elven brothers. Josgar and Drager will begin the cleansing of Felwithe from the beach, wiping Mayong's forces before us. We will take the entrance, reminding the Renda'dal of their history and what they could be again if they open their eyes and fight the tyranny of simple minds not with swords but with the words of beauty and grace which had the Elvish races as the leaders of Norrath in the first place.Zechariah.. Zechariah! Put that out at once. Now you go down the slope and make sure no one comes up through the water. Alright, yes you can have a smoke down there. Someone better go with him...Niko, are you joining us?

[Docma]

<cite>Duboir@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Rude!Anyway, We don't want to get crude or anything, but we're very sure there's some major anatomical differences between males and females. If you don't know them, you should probably just do some research first. The guide is useful for a laugh, as was that post. A joke, if not a terribly witty one. </blockquote><p>Ah, sir, but as you know appearances are skin deep and anatomy is usually held behind cover of breeches, jerkins, trousers, skirts, dresses or - in the case of our Halasian friends - the fine fur of some slaughtered beast. It would be rude indeed to simply approach a strange high elf, wishing nothing more than introduction only to begin things with a query such as: 'Hello there, sir or madam as the case may be, would you mind dropping your drawers so I can tell what gender you are before we continue our pleasant interaction?'. It's akin in manners to those unruly patrons who shout from the back of a crowded tavern 'Show us yer rack!' and other such niceties when a well-endowed female bard takes to the stage.</p><p>So, unfortunately, simple anatomy is no answer to the question in civilised societies, unless one prefers the most direct of inquiries.</p><p>Don't get me wrong, Mr Chair, I've tried a number of approaches. Gods on a long lunch break, I've tried.</p><p>I've tried reactions to flowers and chocolates as an opening line - but high elves of either sex respond the same to both, all giggly and star-crossed eyes. The haircuts don't make a distinction. Neither do the clothes as more often than not both genders prefer to be seen in long, flowing dresses. Neither sex takes the lead in any dance (see <span style="color: #00ffff;"><b>High Elf Balls: Why Don't They Just Shut It and Dance?</b></span>). Both insist you open the carriage-door for them. And have you ever seen a high elf pay for dinner - or even offer to split the bill of fare? Then there's the high-pitched, whimisical voices. The effeminate features. The child-bearing hips. The moodiness at various times of the month. We at the Guide could go on and on. </p><p>You see, Mr Chair, the problem at its base - your problem in getting the recognition and respect you believe your people deserve and the world's problem in taking you seriously - all boils down to my question: <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=249196" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">How do we - at first glance alone - tell the difference between male and female high elves?</a> Because if history's taught us anything - and we at the Guide likes to think it has - it's that you can't believe anyone unable to openly declare whether they prefer mens, ladies or no under-garments in the comfort of their own castles/treehouses/holes in the ground.</p>

[niko_teen]

<cite>Duboir@Permafrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>Zechariah.. Zechariah! Put that out at once. Now you go down the slope and make sure no one comes up through the water. Alright, yes you can have a smoke down there. Someone better go with him...Niko, are you joining us?</blockquote><p>/shrugs</p><p>Sure</p>

[Duboir]

<cite>Kebian@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody">I've tried reactions to flowers and chocolates as an opening line - but high elves of either sex respond the same to both, all giggly and star-crossed eyes. The haircuts don't make a distinction. Neither do the clothes as more often than not both genders prefer to be seen in long, flowing dresses. Neither sex takes the lead in any dance (see <span style="color: #00ffff;"><b>High Elf Balls: Why Don't They Just Shut It and Dance?</b></span>). Both insist you open the carriage-door for them. And have you ever seen a high elf pay for dinner - or even offer to split the bill of fare? Then there's the high-pitched, whimisical voices. The effeminate features. The child-bearing hips. <b>The moodiness at various times of the month.</b> We at the Guide could go on and on. </span></blockquote>It is a shame you are confused by the differences between the fairest sex and the even fairer than fairest sex (We won't tell you which is which). We don't dispute that you should open the carriage-door for all high elves, and pay for our dinner. Or that our voices are beautiful, our cheekbones high and delicate, and our hips are perfectly positioned for many tasks, in the females for childbearing. In the males its for making sure we don't need belts.We would like to query the moodiness at various times of the month? What evidence do you have for that? Our brethren in Felwithe are moody ALL the time, and for us on the outside our mood is mostly determined by how rude people are being rather than any particular lunar cycle. We appreciate that your guide is written to be humorous, but we believed you had more journalistic integrity than to be reporting a joke as truth.Now we think there are races that are harder to tell apart than high elves.This is a high elf male and female (l-r).<img src="http://images.wikia.com/eq2/images/8/88/High_Elf_%28Character_Race%29_Male.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><img src="http://images.wikia.com/eq2/images/a/ac/High_Elf_%28Character_Race%29_Female.jpg" border="0" alt="" />We think the differences are fairly obvious actually.<img src="http://images.wikia.com/eq2/images/e/e5/Erudite_%28Character_Race%29_Male.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><img src="http://images.wikia.com/eq2/images/a/ab/Erudite_%28Character_Race%29_Female.jpg" border="0" alt="" />Now then, what about the erudite? Well apart from the runes, there's not much difference there is there! Hmm..<img src="http://images.wikia.com/eq2/images/3/38/Sarnak_%28Character_Race%29_Male.jpg" border="0" alt="" /><img src="http://images.wikia.com/eq2/images/c/cd/Sarnak_%28Character_Race%29_Female.jpg" border="0" alt="" />Yes, well. ok then. We don't even know where to start.Lastly, before we return to the battle. Who doesn't like chocolate?

[Docma]

<cite>Duboir wrote:</cite><blockquote>It is a shame you are confused by the differences between the fairest sex and the even fairer than fairest sex (I won't tell you which is which).</blockquote>Won't you? But that would almost certainly answer the question! Well, I think it would if I'm reading you correctly. <blockquote>I would like to query the moodiness at various times of the month?</blockquote>As would the Guide and its contributors. It's something that quite a few of us have noted and we have, at this very moment, a team of gnomes working hard to give us an answer as to why. Your explanations have been added to the gnomes' algorithims, foozlegigs and whatnot. Many thanks!<blockquote>I appreciate that your guide is written to be humorous, but I believed you had more journalistic integrity than to be reporting a joke as truth.</blockquote>The Guide being written to be humourous? Nothing could be further from the truth! While it appears quite often that life is an amusing event, the Guide merely takes its submissions from the everyday man/woman/eunuch/high elf adventurers of Norrath, printing just the bare facts needed to create for them the most important and bold tome ever published. How could any self-respecting adventurer get by without knowing at least a pinch of Undead Poetry? And how many lives did we save with the entry on Aggressive Fish?Humourous? Maybe. But it's the adventuring life that lends us that humour, not any gift of our own I'm afraid to say.<blockquote>Now I think there are races that are harder to tell apart than high elves.This is a high elf male and female (l-r).<img src="http://images.wikia.com/eq2/images/8/88/High_Elf_%28Character_Race%29_Male.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="78" height="80" /><img src="http://images.wikia.com/eq2/images/a/ac/High_Elf_%28Character_Race%29_Female.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="78" height="80" />I think the differences are fairly obvious actually.</blockquote><p>Obvious, hmm ... why then did you preface the illustrations with a descriptor telling us which was which? <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> To be honest, I'm not sure you got it right. That one on the left is cute as a button.</p><p>In any case, many thanks for your wonderful answers. I'll see that they're added to the Guide's articles on the gender-neutrality of the High Elves with the next update. One last question, do I list you as 'Lord' or 'Lady' Duboir of N.E.T.H.E. when it comes time to acknowledge the contributor?</p>

[Duboir]

We're not telling you, because we do not want to be seen to be biasing the answers in anyway. We will allow you to have your fun.We stated which was which because your glasses are clearly being fogged up everytime you look at a male or a female high elf, so you needed the help! Its understandable, we presume. It IS almost Eroilisi day after all!Finally, of course the one on the left is cute as a button! That's a high elf!!I am merely the voice of NETHE on these forums. You may credit any entry to NETHE. You're welcome.

[Pyra Shineflame]

<cite>Duboir wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Kebian@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>And besides, none of that answers the question: How Does One Tell A High Elf Male from a High Elf Female? <p>Josgar?<b> NETHE Chair (whose name I never really bothered to remember</b>)? You two seem to have a fairly good grasp of yourselves. Do you, perchance, have an answer?</p></blockquote>Rude!Anyway, We don't want to get crude or anything, but we're very sure there's some major anatomical differences between males and females. If you don't know them, you should probably just do some research first. The guide is useful for a laugh, as was that post. A joke, if not a terribly witty one. Now then, it makes us smile to see the outpouring of support for our cause. <b>That so many from the city of Neriak are so violently opposed to it clearly demonstrates that we are achieving what we have set out to achieve. So thank you Pyro, your ramblings have brought many a smile to our faces. </b>Grimdeath is not worth any of our time, his "undead legion" couldn't fight their way out of a used doggy bag. Please continue to rant all of you, it amuses us.Now to the more serious matter of our elven brothers. Josgar and Drager will begin the cleansing of Felwithe from the beach, wiping Mayong's forces before us. We will take the entrance, reminding the Renda'dal of their history and what they could be again if they open their eyes and fight the tyranny of simple minds not with swords but with the words of beauty and grace which had the Elvish races as the leaders of Norrath in the first place.Zechariah.. Zechariah! Put that out at once. Now you go down the slope and make sure no one comes up through the water. Alright, yes you can have a smoke down there. Someone better go with him...Niko, are you joining us?</blockquote><p>I'm "violently opposed?"</p><p>Perhaps I missed something, but I did notice that you made the "A" an "O" in my name.</p><p>As for what you set out to acheive, I could have sworn that it was to prove that the Koada'Dal (you don't use your true name very often do you?) were deserving of "better treatment." I fail to see how someone being opposed to that idea would constitute as a victory of any kind. You wished to entice dischord?</p><p>And they say us Arasai are troublemakers, although I suppose I shouldn't be surprised. </p><p>Those glimmers of cruelty is something all Koada'Dal share, regardless of loyalty. If you were as perfect as a whole as claimed, there would be no betrayals hmm?</p>

[Duboir]

By the power vested in us, we renamed you Pyro due to the inflammatory nature of your replies, and your wings. We are not seeking better treatment. Better treatment can be a matter of degrees of nasty treatment. We are striving for ethical treatment. As in, ethically, it is the responsibility of all races to treat the Koada'dal with the respect we deserve.We do not wish to incite discord (You are also in need of tuition, however we will not be the one to provide it), but the cries and howls of the denizens of Freeport and Neriak make it obvious that you are worried by our movement. We are not concerned by what an arasai is opposed or favoured towards, as you are, well.. an arasai. However, we are encouraged by the fact that you are so upset by us that you feel the need to ramble, rather incoherently about the purity of diseased and twisted races. It can only strengthen our cause.There would be no betrayals if the zeitgeist of Norrath was not tainted by those with evil in their hearts, which causes a loss of pride in the Koada'dal spirit. Turning this affliction around is also part of our charter. You're welcome.

[Pyra Shineflame]

<cite>Duboir wrote:</cite><blockquote>By the power vested in us, we renamed you Pyro due to the inflammatory nature of your replies, and your wings.We are not seeking better treatment. Better treatment can be a matter of degrees of nasty treatment. We are striving for ethical treatment. As in, ethically, it is the responsibility of all races to treat the Koada'dal with the respect we deserve.We do not wish to incite discord (You are also in need of tuition, however we will not be the one to provide it), but the cries and howls of the denizens of Freeport and Neriak make it obvious that you are worried by our movement. We are not concerned by what an arasai is opposed or favoured towards, as you are, well.. an arasai. However, we are encouraged by the fact that you are so upset by us that you feel the need to ramble, rather incoherently about the purity of diseased and twisted races. It can only strengthen our cause.There would be no betrayals if the zeitgeist of Norrath was not tainted by those with evil in their hearts, which causes a loss of pride in the Koada'dal spirit. Turning this affliction around is also part of our charter. You're welcome.</blockquote><p>My apologies then, on both the misunderstanding of this "ethical treatment" and my lack of attention when writing in Common. </p><p>And if I am rambling about what appears to you to be diseased, then the counter- "rambling" should be just as much of a ego boost to myself then. But it isn't. What I see is the representative of NETHE feeling the need to slander other races as proof of his claims.</p><p>I do not begrudge you for it, of course. Only natural, after all, since the one thing that stops the Koada'Dal from "purity and perfection" is their modesty. </p><p>As far as I have learned: If you are weak, it is your own fault. But here you are blaming other lesser races for the shortcomings of your traitors. If you were truly as superior as you seem to want to believe, there should be no excuse. Loosing faith or pride would not be possible, unless that gap of purity was smaller than portrayed. One does not step down into "filth" without a reason. One does not become like said "filth" because of a whim. We cannot make any of you revoke your "deserved" place in Norrath.</p><p>But you are doing just fine on your own. This discussion has gotten boring.</p>

[kyrr]

<cite>Duboir wrote:</cite><blockquote>We are not seeking better treatment. Better treatment can be a matter of degrees of nasty treatment. We are striving for ethical treatment.<b> As in, ethically, it is the responsibility of all races to treat the Koada'dal with the respect we deserve.</b> </blockquote>So we should treat you as trash?  Since Tunare decided to throw you away as her chosen race in favor of the Fae (because members of your "superior" race invaded the plane of their creator - hubris much?) I suppose you're just "elven trash" now?/snicker

[niko_teen]

Hey now lets be fair. Being the 'Mother of All' of course tunare's going to creat other sentiant beings. So we really cannot compare here to the godless Kerran (The kerran are godless like the cat people things in eq1 right?) or Inkies who were all but abandoned.

[kyrr]

You say godless like it's a bad thing.Gods and goddesses are fickle beings.  You're always having to guess if you make them happy or not.Kerrans have no such restraints. We seek wisdom from our ancestors but we don't have to do what they say.

[niko_teen]

<p>Yeah but through the Tunare us wood elves and our cousins can trace our linage back to something besides a lonely ranger and a tame tiger/lion</p><p>Edit: Oh yeah and it must have been a human ranger not a wood elf one like me... because well you know I don't know any large animals in that sort of way. So yeah completely remove the image from your mind of my wolf/bear/tiger totems that I like to keep with me. Those have nothing to do with the generation of the Kerran race.</p><p>Edit #2: Don't know small animals liek that either. Just felt the need to add that in there you know. Yeah... hmmm I'm gunna go take my totems with me and go out somewhere far away from here. Yeah far far away. </p>

[kyrr]

Kerrans were born from the very fabric of this world; the rocks and the wind.We are closer to "nature" than you god created races so you're jealous.It's understandable that you try to hide this jealousy by making ignorant remarks meant to impune our race.Now run along to your fickle goddess and break your back trying to please her (as if she could be; she changes her mind more often than the serpent sheds it's skin).

[niko_teen]

<p>ancestors you say... well let me give you a hand. "La-de-dah-dah We're sitting on this tiny island in the middle of nowhere. I wonder what our cousins are doing up on the monn right now." KABOOM! </p><p>No more cousins.</p><p>/snicker  (heheheh all in fun))</p><p>As to wind and rocks well I think you're ancestors were smoking something crazy. you all are overgrown house cats and well I've never seen a cat that was comprised of rocks and wind. A Mountain or a Dervish maybe, yeah those are wind and rocks, but then again I never really felt compelled to pat one on the head. Maybe my thought of a human ranger/druid or even a Beast Master getting to friendly with a tame cat fits the build a little better. Heck it could even be a gnome and a housecat for all I know. But it does seem to make a little more sense the then a kitty born from some gravel tosses into a strong breeze.</p><p>As to Tunare being fickle... Comments like that are only because we do not posses the ability to completely understand her. Where is it for a mere mortal to try and understand the god. They're beyond our scope of understanding. </p><p>We wood elves are the cloest in design to our creation so we bask in the pleasure of knowing that we stand one foot atop the other races. And with that said our High Elf cousins maintain a close second. I may even entertain teh idea that it is so close that most are unable to tell the difference but... Yeah you know.</p>