Non-Raiding Necro DPS

[Robfj120]

I am a casual player and have a level 80 necromancer equiped mostly with RoK solo quest obtained gear.  Solo buffed he runs about 850 INT. He has a 23% spell crit rate. He has mostly Adept III spells.My question is based on the fact that I was in a Vaults group last night and they kept posting parsing results.  The Beserker and Ranger were up above 2k and I was barely able to make 1k ( after renaming my pet to the character name ).   I dont think their parser was including my unnamed pets ( imp's etc. ) but I don't know that for a fact.In a typical trash mob fight I will cast all pets available, cast my longer duration DoTs, and then start spamming my short duration DoT and Drain Life.  On longer fights I rinse and repeat as required.  On named mobs I will throw in an undead Tide if it is available.Am I doing this all wrong?  I have mostly solo'd so dps was never a major concern as long as I killed the mob before he killed me or my pet.What type of dps numbers should i be getting?

[Griffildur]

<p>I wouldn't be too worried if I were you.</p><p>We truly only shine in longer fights due to our mana regeneration capabilites (pet health - mana, hearts , archlich)</p><p>In shorter fights you will most likely do a decent dps but nothing impressive. I personally don;t really rely on parses too much. We have big utility , we have rez, raid wide hearts, some heals, pets , dps , control undeath, buffs. We bring a lot to any group.</p><p>Personally, when i am in groups doing serious instances, I always start with all the debuffs I have, minus the hex doll one as that takes a lot of time to cast, then it's vampire horde for -def and only then start with dots / Lifetaps. don't worry about parses, just do what you do best and enjoy doing it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />. If the others in the group don't like it then you are in the wrong group for sure <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />.</p><p>P.S. I am 73 now, would be nice if the signature would keep up with it lol.</p>

[Jasuo]

<p>These days of grouping it is ALL about the parse, if you slack you could be branded as a bad player.  yes your own enjoyment should be taken into account but also remember the other folks you are grouped with that are probably giving it their 110%.  You don't have to be fully raid equiped to parse decent, sure it helps, just work on increasing your crit chance/+spell damage/intelligence and make sure you are using the right spells at the right time.  The only debuff you need worry about in all honesty is mortality mark...and that's before a lifeburn (IMO).  Are you spec'd for dps, is your gear dps oriented, using the right pet?  Lifeburn your heart out, other classes cry that it's a crutch we use to do well, but abuse what you were given, stupid not to.</p><p>For some of the faster fights it is hard to pull out good numbers sometimes, maybe the ones in your group were experienced raiders and already had a good dps setup.  The parses are usually always correct, download ACT and try for yourself...I've kicked many a people from the group who were "just having fun" mooching on the group's hard work.</p>

[Legaroth]

You gotta find out what a "fast" fight is for you. long durations dots wont show up as any decent part of your dps if the fight only lasts 2 ticks of it Im low lvl so i dont have all the nice things a necro gets in the end.. But in groups i only really bother with our main dotnuke (the 2 vsecond duration one)  , AOe nuke (got it adept 3 so its decent enough and pretty fast with rotting AA) and lifeleaching, and sometimes the Deathly coil one if the fights do tend to go towards the 15s+ line Swarm pets are long cast and the ones i have dont seem to put the damage in to warrent the cast time, could use m as filler when you have nothing to cast tho..It has been said, NEcros are not a burst dps class, and its something i dont really like either <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> But once you can trow in dots that last their entire duration you will start to show some decent numbers

[Mew]

<p>Necro group parses are often lower than you might expect since heroic fights don't last as long as raid fights.  The phenominal dps numbers that necro's are famous for come from raid/epic fights. Like the other posters have said, necro's take time to build up their dps.  You can increase your single target dps a bit by using the assassin pet instead of the mage pet (which I often do in small groups).  But its not a big difference.</p><p>What makes a necro handy in heroic group encounters is the utility spells necro's have.   For example, stuns and roots, charm undead (for crowd control), spot healing of group members and rezzing so the main healer can focus on the tank, and a nice STR/INT debuff.  </p>

[insertgenericname]

just my opinion but using both pet summons on trash mobs is hurting your dps.  casting time is way too long, they don't go full duration, or get ae'd and u just wasted more time. not saying don't use em but its all about your group and how fast they dps.   i use drain life, rot, locust, rot, darkness (lich proc for dps), drain life as a usual setup. (can't remember upgrades names lol)  longer fights start with bats and coil, maybe a pet, switch darkness for utilities or whatever. its all situation but that seems to me to be timed perfect for fast dps. gl

[Kiel]

<p>I agree with Insert.  Dumbfires are getting wasted so fast.  Guildy actually mentioned it last night when I cast it, "What happend to your pets".  "You name it, AoE, DS, tail swipe, reposte... the list goes on".  </p><p>I too start off with Lifetap, and Cloud if I can get away with it.  Then dot away till Lifetap is back up.  Just starting to work Dooming Darkness back in my rotation for grouping.</p><p>We usually don't parse in groups, thank the Gods too.  It is just down right embarrassing watching a Guardian out parse you. lol</p><p> EDIT: I also agree with DLing ACT.  OMG that program is the best thing since LB!  It is so intuitive, you can have it up and running in 5 minutes.  It was really intimidating at first, but you get over that quickly.</p>

[Daghammerskold]

<cite>Sciomar@Najena wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">These days of grouping it is ALL about the parse, if you slack you could be branded as a bad player.</span>  yes your own enjoyment should be taken into account but also remember the other folks you are grouped with that are probably giving it their 110%.  You don't have to be fully raid equiped to parse decent, sure it helps, just work on increasing your crit chance/+spell damage/intelligence and make sure you are using the right spells at the right time.  The only debuff you need worry about in all honesty is mortality mark...and that's before a lifeburn (IMO).  Are you spec'd for dps, is your gear dps oriented, using the right pet?  Lifeburn your heart out, other classes cry that it's a crutch we use to do well, but abuse what you were given, stupid not to.</p><p>For some of the faster fights it is hard to pull out good numbers sometimes, maybe the ones in your group were experienced raiders and already had a good dps setup.  The parses are usually always correct, download ACT and try for yourself...I've kicked many a people from the group who were "just having fun" mooching on the group's hard work.</p></blockquote>Grouping is ALL about the parse? You could be branded a bad player? Really?Parses for fights that last under 30 seconds just show whose timers were refreshed at the beginning of the fight. When I group with the same people I raid with our parse order is totally different. On raids my conj is consistently in the top 3 but on a dungeon run melee burst dps outdoes me every time.

[Mew]

Also, if you are grouping and not raiding you might get better bang for your buck out of the assassin pet.  The mage pet, just like you, builds up stacked DOT spells for its damage.  The assassin pet does more auto-attack dps.

[Sudani]

<cite>Sciomar@Najena wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>These days of grouping it is ALL about the parse, if you slack you could be branded as a bad player.  yes your own enjoyment should be taken into account but also remember the other folks you are grouped with that are probably giving it their 110%.  You don't have to be fully raid equiped to parse decent, sure it helps, just work on increasing your crit chance/+spell damage/intelligence and make sure you are using the right spells at the right time.  The only debuff you need worry about in all honesty is mortality mark...and that's before a lifeburn (IMO).  Are you spec'd for dps, is your gear dps oriented, using the right pet?  Lifeburn your heart out, other classes cry that it's a crutch we use to do well, but abuse what you were given, stupid not to.</p><p>For some of the faster fights it is hard to pull out good numbers sometimes, maybe the ones in your group were experienced raiders and already had a good dps setup.  The parses are usually always correct, download ACT and try for yourself...I've kicked many a people from the group who were "just having fun" mooching on the group's hard work.</p></blockquote> <p >Slightly elitist attitude there, but I can, however appreciate it. <span> </span>I am more or less in the same position as the OP however I am only 70 atm, came back from a very long break. Right after the launch of DoF actually. So this game is really brand new to me. </p> <p >RoK (70-80) gear already from the little I’ve seen really changes the entire game from what I’ve experienced so far. <span> </span>While I think parsing in a generic group is completely overboard, I accept reality for what it is and I don’t want to be that guy that gets kicked from a group because I’m not quite “up to snuff”</p> <p >I downloaded ACT so I can start paying attention to my DPS while I solo ( I know this will not equate to group DPS) but will help me on a few gear choices along the way.</p> <p >I would like to eventually get into raiding, but for the meantime it’s going to be group content.</p> <p >What I need to know is what should I be striving for both in gear and DPS. What should a respectable target be for my INT STA, WiS, HP, Mana, <span> </span>crit and spell dmg be in particular? </p> <p >Soloing I primarily use my Tank pet, but In a grouping / raiding situation would I be better off with the scout or warlock? From what I’ve seen, scout for heroic groups, warlock for raid. Is this accurate?</p> <p >AA wise, what is the most beneficial for groups / raids? Currently I’m only 70 but I have 98 aa’s so I have some room to play around. I am also having the aa mirror crafted for me tonight so I can have a pure group / raid build while not gimping my solo build. </p> <p >You want people that give 110% that’s cool, I can play by those rules, but in exchange I need help getting that last 10%.</p> <p > </p> <p >Any advice input is appreciated.</p> <p >Thanks, </p> <p >Onnyx</p>

[Mini]

<cite>Sciomar@Najena wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>These days of grouping it is ALL about the parse, if you slack you could be branded as a bad player.  yes your own enjoyment should be taken into account but also remember the other folks you are grouped with that are probably giving it their 110%.  You don't have to be fully raid equiped to parse decent, sure it helps, just work on increasing your crit chance/+spell damage/intelligence and make sure you are using the right spells at the right time.  The only debuff you need worry about in all honesty is mortality mark...and that's before a lifeburn (IMO).  Are you spec'd for dps, is your gear dps oriented, using the right pet?  Lifeburn your heart out, other classes cry that it's a crutch we use to do well, but abuse what you were given, stupid not to.</p><p>For some of the faster fights it is hard to pull out good numbers sometimes, maybe the ones in your group were experienced raiders and already had a good dps setup.  The parses are usually always correct, download ACT and try for yourself...I've kicked many a people from the group who were "just having fun" mooching on the group's hard work.</p></blockquote><p>Wow, I am glad I don't group with people who have your mind set.  Granted, there are some groups that are just hard core grind.  These are the groups MOST people will get kicked out of, no matter the class.</p><p> However, most groups are somewhat laid back and as long as mobs are die'ing faster without people being AFK, that is usually good enough to get re-invited to group with people.</p><p> Intel, +damage and + crit are important.  Not just for grouping but for your ability to solo better also.  Depending on YOUR PLAY-STYLE, will determine which aas to spec into.  Not one persona here can tell you absolutely what aa's are best for you, they can only give you info on what they've tried or heard that is better for the class in general.  Anyone who tries to tell you how to play your own toon... well, they need to find something better to do.</p><p> The point is, it is still a game, however, some people take it far too seriously.  Enjoy playing your toon your way.  Everything else.. is just a toy <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>