I miss Innothule swamp

[Piratejoe]

<p>Is it possible too add Innothule Swamp in a future update, EQ just does not seem the same without it. </p><p>Now I understand the Swamp was destroyed when the moon blew up with much of it washing away into the ocean but Its still possible too add Innothule Swamp. The Swamp could now be a large cresent shaped lagoon with Grobb Canyon on the southern end, Guk in the middle with many small marshy Islands. The Frogloks could inhabit Froglock Islands just outside of Guk home too the ruins of a ancient Raloseck (sp) Castle when they drove the Froglocks underground ages past. Guk could be the home too the Evil Necro Frogloks (Dungeon) that they took over when the good Frogloks fled along time ago. Deep under the Lagoon could be the rest of those 2 hands that stuck out of the swamp, maybe the Eyes of Cazak Thul? A anchient Troll statue or From some other lost Empire. Their could be Kobolds too the north and Undead were that old tower used too be. </p><p>Please I miss my swamp and hate living with my stinky troll in a human or elf town, just seems weird. I hated living with the DE's in EQ1 when those frogs drove us out and left eq1 soon afterwards. And now in EQ2 im stuck in others citys once again. Please perty please with a dead dwarf on top?</p>

[Gukkor2]

Actually, Innothule still exists.  It's called the Moors of Ykesha now.  Don't know when they're going to add it, but I'm sure they'll get around to it eventually. 

[troodon]

All of us Trolls miss it <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Cusashorn]

<p>The EQ2 Pen & Paper game brought up the existance of "The Moors of Ykesha". I was hoping it was going to be the next expansion after Kingdom of Sky, but they went with Faydwer instead. They could make it cover the dried up remains of Innothule Swamp, the ruins of Gukta, Guk itself, and everything on Broken Skull Rock since it's geographically nearby.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>I doubt we will see any more pieces of the old Antonican continent for awhile.  They still have to account for Odus and Velious yet, and I would expect that those areas will take priority over Innothule or Rathe Mountains.  </p><p>Faydwer too has missing pieces that may (or may not) ever be added:  Hills of Shade, Lake Elizarian, Dagnor's Cauldron and Ranthok's Ridge.</p><p>Perhaps after all the continents are (mostly) accounted for, they will go back and add in the missing bits.  I hope so.</p><p>However I doubt that we will ever see the shattered Luclin again.  </p><p>One can never be certain though; in a fantasy universe all things are possible.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I doubt we will see any more pieces of the old Antonican continent for awhile.  They still have to account for Odus and Velious yet, and I would expect that those areas will take priority over Innothule or Rathe Mountains.  </p><p>Faydwer too has missing pieces that may (or may not) ever be added:  Hills of Shade, Lake Elizarian, Dagnor's Cauldron and Ranthok's Ridge.</p><p>Perhaps after all the continents are (mostly) accounted for, they will go back and add in the missing bits.  I hope so.</p><p>However I doubt that we will ever see the shattered Luclin again.  </p><p>One can never be certain though; in a fantasy universe all things are possible.</p></blockquote>I remember hearing a developer say something that they don't have any memory left to expand further into Faydwer. They said something about "only have enough room left" for one more zone, so they decided to put in Unrest instead of Kedge Keep. If they only had room left for one more zone after the entire expansion, then we're not going to see those areas return. Especially Dagnor's Cauldron.

[Piratejoe]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I doubt we will see any more pieces of the old Antonican continent for awhile.  They still have to account for Odus and Velious yet, and I would expect that those areas will take priority over Innothule or Rathe Mountains.  </p><p>Faydwer too has missing pieces that may (or may not) ever be added:  Hills of Shade, Lake Elizarian, Dagnor's Cauldron and Ranthok's Ridge.</p><p>Perhaps after all the continents are (mostly) accounted for, they will go back and add in the missing bits.  I hope so.</p><p>However I doubt that we will ever see the shattered Luclin again.  </p><p>One can never be certain though; in a fantasy universe all things are possible.</p></blockquote><p>I remember hearing a developer say something that they don't have any memory left to expand further into Faydwer. They said something about "only have enough room left" for one more zone, so they decided to put in Unrest instead of Kedge Keep. If they only had room left for one more zone after the entire expansion, then we're not going to see those areas return. Especially Dagnor's Cauldron.</p><p>You know I dont believe things work like that, The limited memory thing but Im not a programmer so I cant say 100% for sure. Even if it were true the Dev's would just make any new old world EQ2 contents a seperate part of the server. Players would never know the difference because on the map its all intertangled, no memorys not the problem its just prioritys and budget. IMO</p></blockquote>

[Gukkor2]

<p>Well, for one thing, Dagnor's Cauldron's gone for good.  The mountains that seperated it from the ocean collapsed in the Rending.  Only the chunk of rock holding Unrest remains standing.</p><p>As for Velious, didn't they mention it melting?  Given that the entire continent was mostly ice, it wouldn't surprise me if there's nothing left of it worth exploring.  If I were to guess, I'd say that Odus is most likely the next expansion.  Moors of Ykesha would most likely be an adventure pack, as would Highbourne.  After that, I don't know.  I <i>highly</i> doubt we'll be seeing Taelosia, given the spectacular unpopularity of that expansion, but you never know.</p>

[troodon]

<cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As for Velious, didn't they mention it melting?  Given that the entire continent was mostly ice, it wouldn't surprise me if there's nothing left of it worth exploring.  </p></blockquote>It was a polar continent, so it was covered by an ice sheet.  Even if the ice gets melted the rock underneath will still be there, and inhabited

[Gukkor2]

<cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gukkor2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As for Velious, didn't they mention it melting?  Given that the entire continent was mostly ice, it wouldn't surprise me if there's nothing left of it worth exploring.  </p></blockquote>It was a polar continent, so it was covered by an ice sheet.  Even if the ice gets melted the rock underneath will still be there, and inhabited</blockquote><p>It'd still be there, yes, but what makes you think anything's left alive there?  At the speed at which it must have been happening, the melting would have caused catastrophic flooding.  Anything that couldn't survive underwater or escape the continent would probably have been drowned, or at least forced out of their homes.  The dragons probably survived, but I can't see the Coldain or giants making it.</p><p>Anyway, don't get me wrong, there's of course a good chance that we will go there eventually.  I'm just saying that it wouldn't surprise me if we never did. </p>

[Drager]

never played eq1 but i think k the tropics of Velious would be interseting a once frozen polar world now a tropical forest

[Cusashorn]

Unless Norrath suddenly shifted 30 degrees so the South pole - Velious - was closer to the Equator, I don't think it's gonna become a tropical area anytime soon.

[Piratejoe]

<p>Another possibility is with the sea's finally calming down both Quanos and Freeport both rush too map out old Antontica each trying too out do each other. Both citys will use both ship and griffen too map out islands both large and small that were up untill now unreachable. (The sea's might have been vary dangerous with water still making wirlpools as water slowly flooded the deep caverns under Antontica that didnt collapse years past, also their would have been alot of shifting earth and unknown shallows, but after a period of time this all calmed down)</p><p>This would let the Developers make a New Antontica map with new large islands and small that were unknown or unreachable before with the sea being in flux. This way I could have my swamp again and the Ogre's can rot in Freeport! (lol, Freeport dont want us anyways, theirs no Troll guards)</p><p>I wantz mi swamp back!</p>

[Beghard]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unless Norrath suddenly shifted 30 degrees so the South pole - Velious - was closer to the Equator, I don't think it's gonna become a tropical area anytime soon.</blockquote>Magic.But I dont like the idea either. What we need(and what the devs said would happen) is more new content that isnt recycled from EQ1. How about the Plain of [Removed for Content], or a Sea of Cowbell. Or, Al'Kabors Secret Moon Base on the other moon. Something more like KoS but without the annoying cloud travle.

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">I just hope that if they do have a new Swamp/Moore that they have more water sure it would mess with the horses/etc. but then maybe that will get the developers to make the mounts less water-shy.</span>

[teddyboy4]

<cite>Beghard wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>But I dont like the idea either. What we need(and what the devs said would happen) is more new content that isnt recycled from EQ1. How about the Plain of [Removed for Content], or a Sea of Cowbell. Or, Al'Kabors Secret Moon Base on the other moon. Something more like KoS but without the annoying cloud travle.</blockquote>This is exactly what we don't need IMO. Everytime the devs have deviated from known parts of Norrath the results have been disastrous, Taelosia anyone? Seriously, the early plan in EQ2's life was to have totally new locations with very little to no relation to what we knew and loved from EQ. Until that is, they finally listened to the player base and started rediscovering parts of Norrath that were previously thought lost, which resulted in the last two, and by FAR most popular and well received expansions, EoF and RoK. I think the devs have learned from their mistakes and are now more in touch w/ what the players have been enjoying most, and that is rediscovering places we knew from EQ and finding out what has taken place in the last 500 years and what is going on there now.And there is still so much more still out there just waiting to be rediscovered that the players are itching to get to, like Odus, Velious, the Moors of Ykesha, the Rathe Mountains etc etc. I think I heard somwhere that the devs intend the next xpac to be set in a previously unknown place, which I'm not really all that excited about, but if that's what they want.... as long as we do eventually get to the places that are still lost to us, I'll be happy

[Apocroph]

Velious is a long, long way from the rest of the world.  It's not impossible that the entire continent survived relatively unharmed.  It's also not impossible that it thawed, and is now tropical, or that it thawed and no longer exists.If it did thaw though, I'd expect that the Great Divide would now be flooded, and I'd venture to say that ToFS could easily be a Kedge Keep type area now.The Rathe Mountains/Lake Rathe region has become the Straits of the Twelve, as I recall...  Which would seem to suggest that it's largely submerged since the Rending.The Moors of Ykesha and Kithicor Forest are two locales I'd love to see return, mainly because Guk was amazing, and Kithicor has a whole lot of room for things to have happened in the years since we last visited.  Unfortunately, neither is really large enough to house a full expansion worth of new content.  Opening both areas, as well as what remains of Highpass with the Far Seas Trading Company could be viable, but still short on places to go.If these areas were to be an expansion, it would likely have to include the Moors, Kith, Highpass/High Keep, and the remains of the Broken Skull Rock region to have enough to do.Something interesting to mull over: If Odus was not entirely destroyed, what became of The Hole and Paineel?  Flooded?  Saved by the rim of the crater that used to be Shar Vahl?

[Coniaric]

<p>I would think there are enough pieces of the Shattered Lands to cover an expansion. According to EQ2 RPG Player's Guide:</p><ul><li>The Forbidden Forest (Unkempt Woods/Jaggedpine Forest)</li><li>Kithicor</li><li>Highbourne (Rathe Mountains/Lake Rathetear)</li><li>The Serpent's Fang (Mountains of Serpent's Spine)</li><li>The Moors of Ykesha (Innothule Swamp)</li></ul><p>All have the potential to exist in the game. Maybe the Headsquarters of the Far Seas Trading Company, and missing places like Halas or Najena, can be included. I don't think Unkempt Woods had been visited yet in EQlive so it'll be something new.</p><p>As for Taelosia, I honestly don't mind seeing its reappearance. As long, there is no mention of the force of Discord and stuff from other worlds, and Taelosia itself to be entirely different from what was there 500 years ago. Well, maybe.</p><p>One place I really would like to see the return of is Velious. It was my favorite continent and still is.  With the melting of ice and snow (and perhaps refrozen), it can be something entirely new. Plus I would like to see the return of the Othmirs (the ottermen) to EQ2.</p><p>Both EQLive and EQ2 are one same world, just in a different place in time. What is there in the past can be still there in the future. So ... what can be new and different content and not be "recycled"? Maybe that mysterious continent on other side of Norrath as seen on globe in Skyfire Mountains in EQLive, I guess.</p>

[Apocroph]

<cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote>All have the potential to exist in the game. Maybe the Headsquarters of the Far Seas Trading Company, and missing places like Halas or Najena, can be included. I don't think Unkempt Woods had been visited yet in EQlive so it'll be something new.</blockquote>Halas exists.  Go swimming in Everfrost.I think I recall seeing parts of Zek that would correspond to a very charred Unkempt Woods.Velious though, has loads of potential.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote>All have the potential to exist in the game. Maybe the Headsquarters of the Far Seas Trading Company, and missing places like Halas or Najena, can be included. I don't think Unkempt Woods had been visited yet in EQlive so it'll be something new.</blockquote>Halas exists.  Go swimming in Everfrost.I think I recall seeing parts of Zek that would correspond to a very charred Unkempt Woods.Velious though, has loads of potential.</blockquote>Actually, Vhalen confirmed that Halas is no longer remotely close to Everfrost anymore, and has been reclaimed from the orcs that took it over.

[Apocroph]

Holy crap!  When did that happen?!

[Cusashorn]

Hmm.. I can't seem to find it. Maybe it wasn't Vhalen, but I think it was. I remember a dev once hinting that Halas isn't near Everfrost anymore... at least not within the area of the map, and that the city has been reclaimed from the orcs since the war, but there was no mention as to WHO reclaimed it. This was a long time ago though.

[Gukkor2]

Heh, it floated off and eventually bumped into Taelosia, making Hala, of all things, the "homebase" city for a Taelosia expansion! <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Coniaric]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Coniaric wrote:</cite><blockquote>All have the potential to exist in the game. Maybe the Headsquarters of the Far Seas Trading Company, and missing places like Halas or Najena, can be included. I don't think Unkempt Woods had been visited yet in EQlive so it'll be something new.</blockquote>Halas exists.  Go swimming in Everfrost.I think I recall seeing parts of Zek that would correspond to a very charred Unkempt Woods.Velious though, has loads of potential.</blockquote>Actually, Vhalen confirmed that Halas is no longer remotely close to Everfrost anymore, and has been reclaimed from the orcs that took it over.</blockquote><p>Yes. There was a vague commentary by Vhalen about Halas is not where we think it is. What was in Everfrost is a cluster of stones underwater and Halasian ghosts ... it can mean anything.</p><p>About Zek ... that is part of Jaggedpine Forest, yes ... but it doesn't mean there isn't another island with a part of Unkempt Woods. As I said, with the RPG map, there is a potential of it (the Forbidden Forest) having an appearance in EQ2 in the future.</p>

[Vendolyn]

I'd be the happiest lark in the gander if Skyshrine would somehow appear again.  Even if it's a half sunken castle by itself in the middle of nowhere without any explanation as to its existence.  Me?  Veeshan hound?  NO WAY!

[Apocroph]

<cite>Vendolyn@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd be the happiest lark in the gander if Skyshrine would somehow appear again.  Even if it's a half sunken castle by itself in the middle of nowhere without any explanation as to its existence.  Me?  Veeshan hound?  NO WAY!</blockquote>Could they really call it SKYshrine if it was sunk?  <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Vendolyn]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vendolyn@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd be the happiest lark in the gander if Skyshrine would somehow appear again.  Even if it's a half sunken castle by itself in the middle of nowhere without any explanation as to its existence.  Me?  Veeshan hound?  NO WAY!</blockquote>Could they really call it SKYshrine if it was sunk?  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote>Ok so that was an over the top dramatic example set by someone who really wants to "officially" worship some dragon that floats around in the netherverse.

[KniteShayd]

<p>I wouldn't mind Taelosia.  That place brought some fun recipes to the game.</p><p>I could see the moores being an adv pack as well.</p><p>And Velious was melted, mostly, and Cusa was right cause I remember the devs saying it too.  It's Not all water, the devs said that the melted ice exposed the land underneath and many of the races native to there are still alive.   So no catclysmic flooding.  It was a gradual changein environment.</p>