GU42 - some good fixes/additions.

[TheLopper]

<p>They finally put a Bru reward for Anaphylaxis, and you can go back to buy it for 30g if you already accepted a reward =]</p><p>Also, epics are being added.</p><p><a href="http://eq2players.station.sony.com/news_archive_content.vm?id=1526&section=News&locale=en_US" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://eq2players.station.sony.com/...ws&locale=en_US</a></p><p>Woot.</p>

[Morrias]

<p> Oh, and someone mentioned epics. I think there are some epic quests in this update.</p><p>Now, it would be easy and fun for me to spend 5 or 10 minutes pontificating on the nature of epics, the game play, the steps required, and the rewards. Suffice it to say that I'll leave that task as an exercise for the reader. Our folks, from design, to art, to code, to quality assurance have worked quite diligently to make these quests as exciting and challenging as possible, and the rewards to match. We're trying to be quite secretive about how the actual quest line works so that people will feel a real sense of accomplishment when they complete them. Certainly, if you wait several weeks, one of our supporting web sites will end up with a walk through for those who want to wait, but we're so excited that we've even kept the data as secret as possible. <span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>In fact, if you ask a GM for assistance, there's a good chance they won't have access to the data necessary to help, as we have kept it all very close to the vest.</b></span></p><p>Bruce "<i>Froech</i>" Ferguson</p><p>~~~~</p><p>I am fairly concerned about that right there in red, the GMs cant help us, oh wait, thats nothing new nm.. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p> Although other than the changes on devs fist (um did they fully remove its crit..?) and the nerf on briggies AR, looks like a nice update, far from great though.. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Marie-Ange Jourdelune]

<cite>Naceko@Befallen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Oh, and someone mentioned epics.<span style="color: #cc0000;"> <span style="font-size: x-large;">I think there are some epic quests in this update.</span></span></p><p>Now, it would be easy and fun for me to spend 5 or 10 minutes pontificating on the nature of epics, the game play, the steps required, and the rewards. Suffice it to say that I'll leave that task as an exercise for the reader. Our folks, from design, to art, to code, to quality assurance have worked quite diligently to make these quests as exciting and challenging as possible, and the rewards to match. We're trying to be quite secretive about how the actual quest line works so that people will feel a real sense of accomplishment when they complete them. Certainly, if you wait several weeks, one of our supporting web sites will end up with a walk through for those who want to wait, but we're so excited that we've even kept the data as secret as possible. <span style="color: #ff0000;"><b>In fact, if you ask a GM for assistance, there's a good chance they won't have access to the data necessary to help, as we have kept it all very close to the vest.</b></span></p><p>Bruce "<i>Froech</i>" Ferguson</p><p>~~~~</p><p>I am fairly concerned about that right there in red, the GMs cant help us, oh wait, thats nothing new nm.. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p> Although other than the changes on devs fist (um did they fully remove its crit..?) and the nerf on briggies AR, looks like a nice update, far from great though.. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>You think there are some epic quests in this update????[I cannot control my vocabulary]?Epic quests will not be releases all for all?  Let me interpret you, you will select your favorite class and give to your toon the epic quests before your friend can dream to start it?Wow, that is competition. Who will be the first to get is Epic?  NAH SORYY,  Who will got enough lucky to have his class select to be the first?  Yeah better...  Crazy decision Froech, you should feel your player base better than that. Or at least choose the right words to do so...  Now if you would mean, the epic quest line part I and II will be there,  no ambiguity what so ever. But some epic quest means, that not all of them will be there, can mean that some classes can start their quests, while other will wait (or search like a sick guy and find anything because the quest in not online for his class) for another GU to have it.Marie-Ange

[shadowscale]

<cite>Marie-Ange Jourd</cite><blockquote>You think there are some epic quests in this update????[I cannot control my vocabulary]?Epic quests will not be releases all for all?  Let me interpret you, you will select your favorite class and give to your toon the epic quests before your friend can dream to start it?Wow, that is competition. Who will be the first to get is Epic?  NAH SORYY,  Who will got enough lucky to have his class select to be the first?  Yeah better...  Crazy decision Froech, you should feel your player base better than that. Or at least choose the right words to do so...  Now if you would mean, the epic quest line part I and II will be there,  no ambiguity what so ever. But some epic quest means, that not all of them will be there, can mean that some classes can start their quests, while other will wait (or search like a sick guy and find anything because the quest in not online for his class) for another GU to have it.Marie-Ange</blockquote>and this is why some people are paranoid about being politically correct. when he said some, i think he was being trying to be funny, not say that onley some people would be getting quests. all the epics will go live at the same time.

[Lyndro-EQ2]

He didn't mean "some of the epics" he meant "something called epics," it was tongue in cheek, he was trying to be coy.  "Some epics" like they are something that no one had heard of before and weren't already anticipating.All 24 epics (48 if you count the group and raid versions) will be in and completable at the same time.

[Bramwe]

<cite>Lyndro-EQ2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>He didn't mean "some of the epics" he meant "something called epics," it was tongue in cheek, he was trying to be coy.  "Some epics" like they are something that no one had heard of before and weren't already anticipating.All 24 epics (48 if you count the group and raid versions) will be in and completable at the same time.</blockquote>Should have let them sweat it out for a week <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kyrsten]

<cite>Marie-Ange Jourdelune wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>You think there are some epic quests in this update????[I cannot control my vocabulary]?Epic quests will not be releases all for all?  Let me interpret you, you will select your favorite class and give to your toon the epic quests before your friend can dream to start it?Wow, that is competition. Who will be the first to get is Epic?  NAH SORYY,  Who will got enough lucky to have his class select to be the first?  Yeah better...  Crazy decision Froech, you should feel your player base better than that. Or at least choose the right words to do so...  Now if you would mean, the epic quest line part I and II will be there,  no ambiguity what so ever. But some epic quest means, that not all of them will be there, can mean that some classes can start their quests, while other will wait (or search like a sick guy and find anything because the quest in not online for his class) for another GU to have it.Marie-Ange</blockquote>Ell Oh Ell

[Froech]

<p>Hmmm. Apparently my oddball sense of humour doesn't translate as effectively in my writing as I hope it does face to face. I was trying to be amusing. Perhaps I should use the more informal smiley face after the sentence when writing the Producer's letters.</p><p>Yes, all the epics for each class as well as tradeskills will be in this update. I promise!</p><p>Having said that, it doesn't mean we may not tweak them here or there, just like all the other content in the game! The wonderful thing about doing online games is you do get a chance to go back and change stuff, hopefully for the better. But they'll all be in the game update. All you guitar players, don't fret. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Bruce "Froech" Ferguson</p>

[Elquinjena]

<p>I think its just a matter of the user base here on the forums and such just getting used to you and your style of humor <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p> but ya...you might have to draw big smiley faces...a few arrows...a couple lines..you know..to make sure they get it as a joke..just for a while <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>Thank you for doing a Producer's letter. Its always great to learn what new treats you guys are cooking up for us.</p>

[VengeanceX]

<cite>Froech wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes, all the epics for each class as well as tradeskills will be in this update. I promise!</blockquote>Hang on... before I go jumping to conclusions, are you saying that there is an epic for tradeskillers as well?

[Faymar]

<cite>VengeanceX wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Froech wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yes, all the epics for each class as well as tradeskills will be in this update. I promise!</blockquote>Hang on... before I go jumping to conclusions, are you saying that there is an epic for tradeskillers as well?</blockquote>*blink*Er...yeah. Clarification on this one would be really good.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Themaginator]

<cite>Froech wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hmmm. Apparently my oddball sense of humour doesn't translate as effectively in my writing as I hope it does face to face. I was trying to be amusing. Perhaps I should use the more informal smiley face after the sentence when writing the Producer's letters.</p><p>Yes, all the epics for each class as well as tradeskills will be in this update. I promise!</p><p>Having said that, it doesn't mean we may not tweak them here or there, just like all the other content in the game! The wonderful thing about doing online games is you do get a chance to go back and change stuff, hopefully for the better. But they'll all be in the game update. All you guitar players, don't fret. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></p><p>Bruce "Froech" Ferguson</p></blockquote>dude dont worry a select few of the players are insane...and also cant understand humor...its just a side effect of having alot of people in one place

[Bloodfa]

<cite>Froech wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hmmm. Apparently my oddball sense of humour doesn't translate as effectively in my writing as I hope it does face to face. I was trying to be amusing. Perhaps I should use the more informal smiley face after the sentence when writing the Producer's letters.</p><p>Yes, all the epics for each class as well as tradeskills will be in this update. I promise!</p><p>Having said that, it doesn't mean we may not tweak them here or there, just like all the other content in the game! The wonderful thing about doing online games is you do get a chance to go back and change stuff, hopefully for the better. But they'll all be in the game update. <b>All you guitar players, don't fret</b>. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>Bruce "Froech" Ferguson</p></blockquote>Am I correct in extrapolating from the bolded statement, combined with your self-stated oddball humor, that Bards will be getting instruments?

[Mr. Dawki]

<cite>Froech wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Having said that, it doesn't mean we may not tweak them here or there, just like all the other content in the game! The wonderful thing about doing online games is you do get a chance to go back and change stuff, <span style="color: #ff3300;">hopefully for the better</span>. But they'll all be in the game update. All you guitar players, don't fret. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>Bruce "Froech" Ferguson</p></blockquote><p>Unfortunatly Bruce SOE has had a long history with the nerf bat, and by you saying this only makes me this that things will be "overpowered" in the beginning only to be nerfed into the stoneage later. /sigh</p><p>I can only hope that when you say "for the better" it means things will be balanced by bringing weaker things up to par with the more powerfull not vice versa.</p>

[Morrias]

<cite>Froech wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hmmm. Apparently my oddball sense of humour doesn't translate as effectively in my writing as I hope it does face to face. I was trying to be amusing. Perhaps I should use the more informal smiley face after the sentence when writing the Producer's letters.</p><p>Yes, all the epics for each class as well as tradeskills will be in this update. I promise!</p><p>Having said that, it doesn't mean we may not tweak them here or there, just like all the other content in the game! The wonderful thing about doing online games is you do get a chance to go back and <span style="font-size: large;color: #ff3300;">change stuff, hopefully for the better</span>. But they'll all be in the game update. All you guitar players, don't fret. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></p><p>Bruce "Froech" Ferguson</p></blockquote><p> PLEEEEASE quit changing things!!! you hardly ever make it better.. now lets try listening to our player base, no more nerfing classes becuase other classes make them overpowered... (IE Brigand AR nerf, because dirges make brigands overpowered, so sayith Aeralik..) <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p> (<b>EDIT:</b> Ahhh nevermind that 2nd paragraph I just erased, <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /> dont want to make it look like im dissin on my favourite sexiest dev ever,  Aeralik!) <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p> ~ Naceko, level 73 Monk of Befallen.</p>

[Klaktar]

<cite>Froech wrote:</cite><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/quote.m?post_id=4534119&start=0" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Reply to GU42 - some good fixes/additions.</a><blockquote>Having said that, it doesn't mean we may not tweak them here or there, just like all the other content in the game! The wonderful thing about doing online games is you do <span style="color: #ff0000;">get a chance to go back and change stuff, hopefully for the better.</span> But they'll all be in the game update. All you guitar players, don't fret. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /><p>Bruce "Froech" Ferguson</p></blockquote>Then, could you explain the upcoming nerf to Amazing Reflexes? You want to change things for the better (not to say it's YOU personally who's nerfing AR), yet we're getting <b>another</b> nerf to this skill. The silliest part is (I've yet to confirm this), apparently the big special part of the Brigand epic is an ability to reverse this change. Tell me, PLEASE, is this lazyness on the part of the developers (wouldn't surprise me in the least, given T8 priest gear)? Or are the devs simply trying to [Removed for Content] us off some more?Anyways, I'm glad to see epics coming in, even though they're quite late (I agree with many that they should have been in at launch, or at least within 2 weeks). Though I must say, if this rumour about the Brigand epic is true, I want you and your entire team to know that I'll be dropping my much-loved Brigand as my main, and changing to either my defiler or berserker. I'm getting sick of the silly crap developers throw at us. We're slowly but surely turning into Taloon from Dragon Warrior 4. /wrists.

[TheLopper]

<p>Um...I don't know why every <i>Brigand</i> is angry about one lousy nerf; you guys need TONS more to balance out that class.</p><p>When a scout can tank almost every [group] instance, he's got too many defensive skills, no less offensive ones, to keep hate. </p><p>I'm sick and tired of hearing Brigs/Swashies complain that they "constantly get nerfed."  Go play a class that actually takes some skill, and then start complaining.  Let Brawlers complain, they actually deserve the right to wail at the top of their lungs.</p><p>Brigs basically out DPS almost every other class, they can pull hate better than any other class (including the actual TANKS), and they can debuff like, well...no other class.  On top of all this, they have an insane amount of stifles/stuns.  I honestly don't understand how you guys have any basis for complaint.  The only more OP'd class than a Brig, is the Swashie.</p>

[wullailhuit]

<cite>Froech wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hmmm. Apparently my oddball sense of humour doesn't translate as effectively in my writing as I hope it does face to face. I was trying to be amusing. Perhaps I should use the more informal smiley face after the sentence when writing the Producer's letters.</p><p>Yes, all the epics for each class as well as tradeskills will be in this update. I promise!</p><p>Having said that, it doesn't mean we may not tweak them here or there, just like all the other content in the game! The wonderful thing about doing online games is you do get a chance to go back and change stuff, hopefully for the better. But they'll all be in the game update. All you guitar players, don't fret. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></p><p>Bruce "Froech" Ferguson</p></blockquote>oh oh , can you make Marie's epic a rubber duck on a stick when equipped , just for one day...Pleeeeeaaassssee!!!

[Klaktar]

<cite>TheLopper wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Um...I don't know why every <i>Brigand</i> is angry about one lousy nerf; you guys need TONS more to balance out that class.</p><p>When a scout can tank almost every [group] instance, he's got too many defensive skills, no less offensive ones, to keep hate. </p><p>I'm sick and tired of hearing Brigs/Swashies complain that they "constantly get nerfed."  Go play a class that actually takes some skill, and then start complaining.  Let Brawlers complain, they actually deserve the right to wail at the top of their lungs.</p><p>Brigs basically out DPS almost every other class, they can pull hate better than any other class (including the actual TANKS), and they can debuff like, well...no other class.  On top of all this, they have an insane amount of stifles/stuns.  I honestly don't understand how you guys have any basis for complaint.  The only more OP'd class than a Brig, is the Swashie.</p></blockquote>You're a [I cannot control my vocabulary] [I cannot control my vocabulary], here's why:1. If a Brigand wants to be an effective tank, he parses extremely low.2. I don't know about swashbucklers, but Brigands get screwed left and right, and they're all senseless nerfs, too (with the exception of when AR was initially changed to a proc).3. You obviously have no [I cannot control my vocabulary] clue what playing a brigand is like. It takes skill, and AT LEAST as much as a brawler.4. Brawlers have the right to complain, yes, but brigands are on the same path as them and our pace isn't slowing down.5. Brigands do NOT "out dps almost every other class". Unless you're playing with total idiots, then Berserkers, Assassins, Rangers, Swashbucklers, and Conjurors can stay above our DPS no problem. Oh, and back to brawlers for a sec, in the lower T8 instances like Crypt of Agony and Vault of Eternal Sleep, brawlers destroy brigand dps easily (100k+ Dev Fists + 18 second fights = 5k+ DPS).6. The brigands get no stifles, and we get a total of 2 (TWO) stuns, and one directional root, plus Walk the Plank if that AA path is taken. Oh, and two crapass snares, which are useless for us because we can't kite for [I cannot control my vocabulary]. Those abilities also are really only useful for soloing, and there are classes who can solo FAR better than we can. (Berserkers, Coercers, Rangers, Guardians, Necromancers, Conjurors...)We aren't the king [I cannot control my vocabulary] class. Yes, we're diverse enough to be useful in any situation, but despite the disgustingly high number of brigands lately, the good ones are few and far between. This is most certainly not a class that requires no skill. And listen, it's not just ONE "lousy" nerf. It's a series of nerfs that are reducing the significance and originality of our class. This nerf was absolutely uncalled for, especially given that our Epic is supposed to revert the effects of said nerf. It's not even so much that they ARE nerfing it, it's that they're doing something stupid, and putting in an optional fix.I'd personally (among with other brigands) rather see AR completely [I cannot control my vocabulary] removed from the game than have it nerfed again. Give us something useful, like maybe a hate reduction buff that actually works, since we're the only class that cannot go all out and avoid pulling aggression from the tank. At least Preds have a work around. Befuddle is completely useless, I run that (T8 Ad3) AND Expert's Ignorant Bliss and I STILL pull aggro on RAIDS! ANd it's SoE's fault, because they forced us into being a DPS class, and gave us zero compensation for our spike in damage output.Basically, don't run your mouth unless you know what the [I cannot control my vocabulary] you're talking about, because clearly you don't.[Edited for weird text formatting issues.]

[Rainmare]

personally, the very fact that Brigand CAN be an effective tank makes you OP. your a scout. you shouldn't be tanking jack except solo mobs. it's not about parsing. you are a chain wearing class, that apparently now, can effectively fill one of 2 spots in a group. the tank slot, and a dps slot. I know that 9/10 of the tanks in this game can't say the same.I won't say it's not work to play one though. positional attacks, debuffing and such probably make it a pain in the rear. I got a swash friend that I play with so I know how much work he puts into his dpsing.I don't know the class, so I won't speculate on the nerf or it's effect. I don't know exactly what's being really changed and why on your ability. but your epic rumor...from what I understand, the Epic quests weren't even being put on Test. they were being kept in house testing, so that no one would have an advantage when they hit the live servers. So I would love to see how/where that particular rumor started.

[Klaktar]

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>personally, the very fact that Brigand CAN be an effective tank makes you OP. your a scout. you shouldn't be tanking jack except solo mobs. it's not about parsing. you are a chain wearing class, that apparently now, can effectively fill one of 2 spots in a group. the tank slot, and a dps slot. I know that 9/10 of the tanks in this game can't say the same.I won't say it's not work to play one though. positional attacks, debuffing and such probably make it a pain in the rear. I got a swash friend that I play with so I know how much work he puts into his dpsing.I don't know the class, so I won't speculate on the nerf or it's effect. I don't know exactly what's being really changed and why on your ability. but your epic rumor...from what I understand, the Epic quests weren't even being put on Test. they were being kept in house testing, so that no one would have an advantage when they hit the live servers. So I would love to see how/where that particular rumor started.</blockquote>Brigands were originally a utility class, we provide debuffs for the group's benefit, and have abilities that allow us to save other group members, hence the hit mitigation we get, and taunts. The whole roundshield thing was thrown in by Sony and no brigand worth his salt uses it. If this is overpowered, better start nerfing dirges, paladins, and necros too. They can heal/rez, and I've had summoners tank zones for me before. Again, we're not overpowered, we just got our extra utility late in the game, and other classes with comparable utility have had it since day one, but few people seem to understand that. And as for the epic weapon rumor, apparently someone revealed it's effect to a few people early, and it spread from there. I don't know the <b>original </b>source of the info, but numerous brigands have been talking about it for a while, and nobody has argued it's truth. Like I said though, I've yet to confirm it myself, so don't assume I'm declaring this to be absolute truth, but I know some of the brigands who have been discussing it, and trust what they say, that's all.By the way there are only 6 tanks in the game, not 10. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[TheLopper]

<cite>Varuna@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>personally, the very fact that Brigand CAN be an effective tank makes you OP. your a scout. you shouldn't be tanking jack except solo mobs. it's not about parsing. you are a chain wearing class, that apparently now, can effectively fill one of 2 spots in a group. the tank slot, and a dps slot. I know that 9/10 of the tanks in this game can't say the same.I won't say it's not work to play one though. positional attacks, debuffing and such probably make it a pain in the rear. I got a swash friend that I play with so I know how much work he puts into his dpsing.I don't know the class, so I won't speculate on the nerf or it's effect. I don't know exactly what's being really changed and why on your ability. but your epic rumor...from what I understand, the Epic quests weren't even being put on Test. they were being kept in house testing, so that no one would have an advantage when they hit the live servers. So I would love to see how/where that particular rumor started.</blockquote>Brigands were originally a utility class, we provide debuffs for the group's benefit, and have abilities that allow us to save other group members, hence the hit mitigation we get, and taunts. The whole roundshield thing was thrown in by Sony and no brigand worth his salt uses it. If this is overpowered, better start nerfing dirges, paladins, and necros too. They can heal/rez, and I've had summoners tank zones for me before. Again, we're not overpowered, we just got our extra utility late in the game, and other classes with comparable utility have had it since day one, but few people seem to understand that. And as for the epic weapon rumor, apparently someone revealed it's effect to a few people early, and it spread from there. I don't know the <b>original </b>source of the info, but numerous brigands have been talking about it for a while, and nobody has argued it's truth. Like I said though, I've yet to confirm it myself, so don't assume I'm declaring this to be absolute truth, but I know some of the brigands who have been discussing it, and trust what they say, that's all.By the way there are only 6 tanks in the game, not 10. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>When I say that Brigs can out parse everyone else, I am taking into account the fact that all of their debuffs amount to an outrageous DPS increase group/raid wide.  Also, they do have incredible DPS solo...you must just be a crap Brig.</p><p>Another thing - you don't play on a PvP server.  So of course you don't realize how OP'd your class is because you never really get to see the full potential, but that's beside the point.  Again, you can tank, you can DPS, and you can debuff.  You have track, too.Of course you class is OP'd!!!  I've played a Brig before, and I'm friends with many Brigs on my server, they, and I, all agree that Brigs are OP'd!!!  I don't know why you even try to defend it...your class does WAYYYYY too much.  Open your eyes and get real, stop pretending like circling the mob takes skill...it doesn't.  I've also played an Assassin, which is by far more positional, and it was still incredibly easy to solo (both PvP, and PvE).  Seriously...</p><p>Don't be an idiot, why do you think that every Brig/Swashie is almost autopmatically a Chap/Dread+??  It's because it is so insanely easy, that you would be considered a newb if you didn't have the afore mentioned title, or better.</p><p>By the way, I was talking about the amount of people playing tnanks, not the actual amount of tank options you have, [Removed for Content].  As in 9/10 people think you're a horrible Brig.</p>

[Gladiia]

<cite>Froech wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hmmm. Apparently my oddball sense of humour doesn't translate as effectively in my writing as I hope it does face to face. I was trying to be amusing. Perhaps I should use the more informal smiley face after the sentence when writing the Producer's letters.</p><p>Yes, all the epics for each class as well as tradeskills will be in this update. I promise!</p><p>Having said that, it doesn't mean we may not tweak them here or there, just like all the other content in the game! The wonderful thing about doing online games is you do get a chance to go back and change stuff, hopefully for the better. But they'll all be in the game update. <b><i><u>All you guitar players, don't fret</u></i></b>. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>Bruce "Froech" Ferguson</p></blockquote><p>What the heck?  Why are you adding guitar epics to the game for???  seriously....</p><p>hehe <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Geothe]

<cite>TheLopper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Varuna@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>personally, the very fact that Brigand CAN be an effective tank makes you OP. your a scout. you shouldn't be tanking jack except solo mobs. it's not about parsing. you are a chain wearing class, that apparently now, can effectively fill one of 2 spots in a group. the tank slot, and a dps slot. I know that 9/10 of the tanks in this game can't say the same.I won't say it's not work to play one though. positional attacks, debuffing and such probably make it a pain in the rear. I got a swash friend that I play with so I know how much work he puts into his dpsing.I don't know the class, so I won't speculate on the nerf or it's effect. I don't know exactly what's being really changed and why on your ability. but your epic rumor...from what I understand, the Epic quests weren't even being put on Test. they were being kept in house testing, so that no one would have an advantage when they hit the live servers. So I would love to see how/where that particular rumor started.</blockquote>Brigands were originally a utility class, we provide debuffs for the group's benefit, and have abilities that allow us to save other group members, hence the hit mitigation we get, and taunts. The whole roundshield thing was thrown in by Sony and no brigand worth his salt uses it. If this is overpowered, better start nerfing dirges, paladins, and necros too. They can heal/rez, and I've had summoners tank zones for me before. Again, we're not overpowered, we just got our extra utility late in the game, and other classes with comparable utility have had it since day one, but few people seem to understand that. And as for the epic weapon rumor, apparently someone revealed it's effect to a few people early, and it spread from there. I don't know the <b>original </b>source of the info, but numerous brigands have been talking about it for a while, and nobody has argued it's truth. Like I said though, I've yet to confirm it myself, so don't assume I'm declaring this to be absolute truth, but I know some of the brigands who have been discussing it, and trust what they say, that's all.By the way there are only 6 tanks in the game, not 10. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>When I say that Brigs can out parse everyone else, I am taking into account the fact that all of their debuffs amount to an outrageous DPS increase group/raid wide.  Also, they do have incredible DPS solo...you must just be a crap Brig.</p><p>Another thing - you don't play on a PvP server.  So of course you don't realize how OP'd your class is because you never really get to see the full potential, but that's beside the point.  Again, you can tank, you can DPS, and you can debuff.  You have track, too.Of course you class is OP'd!!!  I've played a Brig before, and I'm friends with many Brigs on my server, they, and I, all agree that Brigs are OP'd!!!  I don't know why you even try to defend it...your class does WAYYYYY too much.  Open your eyes and get real, stop pretending like circling the mob takes skill...it doesn't.  I've also played an Assassin, which is by far more positional, and it was still incredibly easy to solo (both PvP, and PvE).  Seriously...</p><p>Don't be an idiot, why do you think that every Brig/Swashie is almost autopmatically a Chap/Dread+??  It's because it is so insanely easy, that you would be considered a newb if you didn't have the afore mentioned title, or better.</p><p>By the way, I was talking about the amount of people playing tnanks, not the actual amount of tank options you have, [I cannot control my vocabulary].  As in 9/10 people think you're a horrible Brig.</p></blockquote><p>I had a feeling when you started to post your drivel that you were a PVP server person.  Thanks for validating that. lol</p><p> Keep your PVP complaints to the PVP forums and away from PVE.  PvP has already brought enough nerfs over to the PVE game for all classes as is, no need for more because you dont like being killed by certain classes in a vast minority of the total game. heh.</p>

[Klaktar]

<cite>TheLopper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><p>When I say that Brigs can out parse everyone else, I am taking into account the fact that all of their debuffs amount to an outrageous DPS increase group/raid wide.  Also, they do have incredible DPS solo...you must just be a crap Brig.</p><p>Another thing - you don't play on a PvP server.  So of course you don't realize how OP'd your class is because you never really get to see the full potential, but that's beside the point.  Again, you can tank, you can DPS, and you can debuff.  You have track, too.Of course you class is OP'd!!!  I've played a Brig before, and I'm friends with many Brigs on my server, they, and I, all agree that Brigs are OP'd!!!  I don't know why you even try to defend it...your class does WAYYYYY too much.  Open your eyes and get real, stop pretending like circling the mob takes skill...it doesn't.  I've also played an Assassin, which is by far more positional, and it was still incredibly easy to solo (both PvP, and PvE).  Seriously...</p><p>Don't be an idiot, why do you think that every Brig/Swashie is almost autopmatically a Chap/Dread+??  It's because it is so insanely easy, that you would be considered a newb if you didn't have the afore mentioned title, or better.</p><p>By the way, I was talking about the amount of people playing tnanks, not the actual amount of tank options you have, [I cannot control my vocabulary].  As in 9/10 people think you're a horrible Brig.</p></blockquote>I'm far from a crap brigand, you just don't actually understand our class. Yes, I have good DPS in groups, raids, and solo. So do many classes.You play on PVP? Well, everything you've said in this thread counts for nothing. PVP is totally hooped, but that's what happens when a game designed for PVE incorporates PVP servers 2 years after launch. How high up have you gotten a brigand? Unless you've gotten one to 60 or 70, you don't know [Removed for Content]. And just because you know brigands doesn't mean you understand them. Sure, our class does a lot, but we can't do it all efficiently with one build. Maybe assassins are trickier to play than brigands, but I said ours is a class that takes skill, I never said that it's the hardest class to play.I don't play PVP, so I don't know what "Chap/Dread+" is (I imagine it's the PVP player cons or something), but this ain't about PVP. and Amazing Reflexes won't save your [Removed for Content] in a PVP scenario, hell it will only save your [Removed for Content] 50% of the time in PVE.And if you're talking about the amount of tanks you know... 1. You don't know many tanks, and 2. Those tanks obviously suck [Removed for Content]. And by the way, You're the only person who thinks I'm a horrible brigand, and you're just saying that because you ran out of arguments to make, given that I've proved you wrong on every account. ANY tank can fill 1 of two slots in a group.Go back to your crippled PVP servers, [Removed for Content].

[Hellswrath]

<cite>Varuna@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Give us something useful, like maybe a hate reduction buff that actually works, since we're the only class that cannot go all out and avoid pulling aggression from the tank. At least Preds have a work around. Befuddle is completely useless, I run that (T8 Ad3) AND Expert's Ignorant Bliss and I STILL pull aggro on RAIDS! ANd it's SoE's fault, because they forced us into being a DPS class, and gave us zero compensation for our spike in damage output.</blockquote>I won't argue the points you have made.  The role that SOE seems to have laid out for the brigand is that of a debuffer.  They do that job better than any other class, hands down.  However, they also do many other things well.  I'm not saying they're overpowered.  Just that I don't think this nerf effects your main role.  That being said, your aggro issues may need some addressing since they did give your class an ability to deal decent damage.However, before you get too far on that statement realize that your aggro issues can't hold a candle to those of a sorc, especially a warlock.I'm not saying you have nothing to complain about, just that you should be aware that going all has never been an option for some classes.  The necessity to hold back on the damage may have been intended.Edit:  However, I do think it is absolutely a poor decision to nerf a skill and then place a buff on the epic that brings it back to where it was.  I would be beyond furious if they did that with my class.

[Bryarfo]

<cite>Hellswrath@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Varuna@Mistmoore wrote:</cite>blah-blah...Edit:  However, I do think it is absolutely a poor decision to nerf a skill and then place a buff on the epic that brings it back to where it was.  I would be beyond furious if they did that with my class.</blockquote><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">lol, nerfing a nearly-useless skill to be completely-useless...and then making a game-defining weapon repair a useless-skill back to its original nearly-useless state is....mean.</span></p><p><span style="color: #ffff00;">Why not just ask all the brigands to roll some class that actually gets an improvement from their epic. That makes more sense. I can only hope that this speculated brigand epic is way off.</span></p>

[Apocroph]

<cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Froech wrote:</cite><blockquote><b>All you guitar players, don't fret</b>. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" /><p>Bruce "Froech" Ferguson</p></blockquote>Am I correct in extrapolating from the bolded statement, combined with your self-stated oddball humor, that Bards will be getting instruments?</blockquote>No.  It's a guitar joke.Also,<cite>Marie-Ange Jordelune wrote:</cite><blockquote>Epic quests will not be releases all for all? Let me interpret you, you will select your favorite class and give to your toon the epic quests before your friend can dream to start it?Wow, that is competition.</blockquote>Do you think you could fail any harder?  Seriously?  Are you really hurting that badly for something to [Removed for Content] at SOE about?Next time, try something they did wrong.