Draconic Language

[Ama]

EQ2 has been out for quite some time and several expansions have come our way.  I want to ask if anyone thinks there should be a side quest to this language so people can just straight up get it for T7? Or should it be left alone and people should do the old quest to earn the right to this language?

[Alienor]

Nerf the Epic in the first step of the quest to be heroic.

[Jardon]

Why would you need to nerf it, we were doing it with 3 people at 70, I can only imagin it can be done with two people now.

[Rattfa]

Duo'd the epic at lvl 70 (Berzerker + Fury) so yeah, it hardly needs nerfing (lol)

[Ama]

<cite>Jardor@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>Why would you need to nerf it, we were doing it with 3 people at 70, I can only imagin it can be done with two people now.</blockquote><p>The reason I bring this question up is the fact the overrealm has come into being *lore wise* and the droags speak the draconic language.  Before this there were very little if any creatures that spoke it so it was hard to understand it.  </p><p>What would be nice is if there was a regular "language" quest for the draconic language.  Then you could have the other one in place as part of the quest line.  This way it doesn't feel like a burden having to kill a 52x2 epic, talk to a giant, talk to sage, and then try to gather 26 runes.  I've done the quest on 3 toons and atm it's kinda old.  </p><p>For a quest it would be good to see an exiled droag in the Hoo'luk refugee camp helping them out.  You can learn the draconic language from him by killing 20+ of his brethern in TT.  He would want the flayed skin of 20 sentries, 15 stonesetters and 12 warriors.  After killing all of them and returning to the exiled droag he would reveal why he want's their skin.  It turns out that tattooed onto the skin of the droags are the runes of the draconic alphabet.  </p><p>Some runes were very sacred and that's why so many were needed.  As your reward you learn the draconic quest and get a bit of hoo'luk faction to boot.  </p>

[Wyrmypops]

<p>Something like that, or that amusing Hooluk language quest. That one alwasy gets me chuckling when I do it on my alts. Alts that, however, don't bother traipsing through the draconic language quest. It just ain't worth the time, it ain't a challenge, or fun, just tedious.</p><p>With more mobs in-game now speaking the Draconic language, it could be fair enough that one of them is of a mind to teach it, and be given a backstory to reveal while getting us to run errands for them and the couple of other NPC's they want us to help. </p>

[Melodee]

This game is getting too easy already. I say, leave it as it is! <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Korpo]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>After killing all of them and returning to the exiled droag he would reveal why he want's their skin.  It turns out that tattooed onto the skin of the droags are the runes of the draconic alphabet.  </blockquote>I think it would be better if he wanted it to make a suit out of the skin of his fellow droags.And they had him carrying a poodle.And named him Droag Bill.And the quest reward was some lotion to put on your skin.

[Vinh]

Yeah, just leave it as is, please.  There is no reason to nerf it.  I've ran it on at least 4 characters and have helped many friends and guildies start it.  At 65 I duo'ed it with a fury and warlock.  It's not that difficult at all, just takes time and a lot of running around in very old gray zones.  If you want the quest reward, you should earn it like everyone else has.

[Vinh]

<p>doh, double post</p>

[Melodee]

<cite>Vinh@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>doh, double post</p></blockquote>Well, I should sing you a Barry Manillow medley as punishment for that, but since you agreed with me I'll let it pass this time <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ama]

<cite>Vinh@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah, just leave it as is, please.  There is no reason to nerf it.  I've ran it on at least 4 characters and have helped many friends and guildies start it.  At 65 I duo'ed it with a fury and warlock.  It's not that difficult at all, just takes time and a lot of running around in very old gray zones.  If you want the quest reward, you should earn it like everyone else has.</blockquote><p>But take a look at a comparison with other languages out there.  It was understandable at the time to have this be part of a quest series.  However after KoS and successive expansions the need for that type of quest becomes obsolete.  </p><p>It wouldn't be making the game easier to implement "Another way" to get the draconic language.  In no way am I saying "nerf" the prismatic questline so it is easier.  All i'm saying is add in a quest to facilitate people who are T7+ and want to learn the draconic language.  Subjugating them to the 26 runes and side quests is rather tedious and moronic to be blunt.  </p><p>The questline would be "intact" for those that want to do the prismatic weapons.  However for those people beyond that they can just do a simplistic language quest in TT, BS, or BM if they just want the language.  That's really what i'm getting at and not the "nerfing" of the prismatic questline. </p>

[Melodee]

I can sort of see your point, but seriously how many t7+ out there have not done the prismatic? And of those who haven't, who really wants a t5 weapon that was awesome in its time but is now seriously outdated? Those who do want to do it should have to go through the same hassle the rest of us went through. Remember the disgust of those who betrayed by killing thousands of gnolls only to see later traitors getting the easy route of only having to steal some orders from the Militia House or killing a puppy? Or the huge uproar when we switched from subcombines to completely self-reliant tradeskills? ((not that I am dissing what was done, only reminding you of the uproars and discontent of those who went the hard way)). Leave it alone, and let's concentrate on improving the quality of the current content. If it ain't broke, don't fix it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Wyrmypops]

<cite>Melodee wrote:</cite><blockquote>I can sort of see your point, but seriously how many t7+ out there have not done the prismatic? And of those who haven't, who really wants a t5 weapon that was awesome in its time but is now seriously outdated? Those who do want to do it should have to go through the same hassle the rest of us went through. Remember the disgust of those who betrayed by killing thousands of gnolls only to see later traitors getting the easy route of only having to steal some orders from the Militia House or killing a puppy? Or the huge uproar when we switched from subcombines to completely self-reliant tradeskills? ((not that I am dissing what was done, only reminding you of the uproars and discontent of those who went the hard way)). Leave it alone, and let's concentrate on improving the quality of the current content. If it ain't broke, don't fix it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>I could honestly name more people that haven't done those prismatic quests than those I know that have. I assure you that is true. And dare say that ratio will only ever move further in that ratio now, what with the prismatics no longer being the big end game weapon</p><p>Not that that is the crux of the matter, its just that the old draconic language quest is not a challenge at all, it's easy soon enough, trivial grey mobs an all - it's just tedious, unneccesary tedium could be argued to be broken. That tedium could be considered fair enough if it's part of the series of hoops one has to jump through for a prismatic quest, but just plain dull if the goal is just getting the language or whatever. </p><p>Leaving that statue gathering neccesity for the prismatics is fair enough. But a new means to get the lingo is too. It makes sense, new mobs exist, one of them could teach it via a different quest. It takes nothing away from that old quest, except the occasional completist getting so bored they try to come up with a better analogy than that one.  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/499fd50bc713bfcdf2ab5a23c00c2d62.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Melodee]

HMMM. When you put it that way, I guess it would be feasible. But they would have to figure out a different reason for collecting the statues to keep them in the quest, no? Making you old people do the dragon language quest in a more dangerous way......... now that I like <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ama]

<cite>Melodee wrote:</cite><blockquote>HMMM. When you put it that way, I guess it would be feasible. But they would have to figure out a different reason for collecting the statues to keep them in the quest, no? Making you old people do the dragon language quest in a more dangerous way......... now that I like <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>Hey they could make it so you have to kill PHs or nameds in TT or SoS for the draconic language.  To me that would be just fine as long as it's not super redundant as the 1st draconic language.  As said i'm not seeking to get the 1st quest in the prismatic quest line nerfed. </p><p>It's just from a "lore" standpoint there are creatures in the overrealm that speak the draconic language.  I'm betting even the Hoo'luks understand the language and would be willing to teach it to bottom dwellers that are ready to listen. </p>

[Wyrmypops]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote> I'm betting even the Hoo'luks understand the language and would be willing to teach it to bottom dwellers that are ready to listen. </blockquote><p>Any Hooluk calls me a "bottom dweller" will get slapped rather than have a quest performed for them. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/47941865eb7bbc2a777305b46cc059a2.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>Ah, who am I kidding, I'd do the quest, and hope they agro and get whacked upon the completion stage. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Ama]

<cite>Wyrmypops wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote> I'm betting even the Hoo'luks understand the language and would be willing to teach it to bottom dwellers that are ready to listen. </blockquote><p>Any Hooluk calls me a "bottom dweller" will get slapped rather than have a quest performed for them. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/47941865eb7bbc2a777305b46cc059a2.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>Ah, who am I kidding, I'd do the quest, and hope they agro and get whacked upon the completion stage. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/908627bbe5e9f6a080977db8c365caff.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>Heh heh </p><p>Well I'm just hoping this is atleast "Considered" so that there's an alternative.  With MMOs everything revolves around choice and there shouldn't just be a choice of doing something or not doing something when you have a quest like the draconic language involved. </p>

[Gargamel]

<p>Yeah lets just add another 'easy' button to ruin something else in the game.</p><p>While we're at it, removing access quests and adding a bazillion ports, lets just put in some automatic leveling for coin bot.</p><p>God forbid anything take any time in the game.</p><p>If you want something to 'fix' go work on SoD or something.  The draconic quests are actually fun at the appropriate level and EASY at higher levels.  If you're too freaking LAZY to spend some time to click a few statues in grey zones, then TOO BAD... you don't get the languege and you don't get the lore.  Deal with it.</p>

[Targ]

<p>I would rather the developers not spend time to enhance a quest that I and most others have already completed.  We don't need a new way to get the language.</p><p>I would think it is ok to reduce starter instance to a heroic so you can run the whole quest at lvl 45 - 50 without putting a raid togather to get the starter.</p>