Weapon itemization

[Kram337]

Why do bruisers get low delay low damage weapons? I see a number of legendary scout/plate tank weapons that have nice 4 second delay with 360ish damage. I dont see a single weapon of equal quality for bruisers.The only thing close is 4 sec delay with 260 dmg, hardly comparable to a 360 dmg weapon. I dont get why we get screwed over. Am I missing something?

[tanus]

<p>Traditionally we always had faster weapons, with our slowest dw weapons being about 2.5 delay (correct me if I'm wrong).  As a bruiser its much more difficult to get huge amounts of haste like the monks can...and we dont get a bunch of dbl atk to compensate for the slow delay (not talking raid buffed...strictly solo).  While I agree it would be nice to have the option of slower crush weapons, I'm sticking around 4s delay at the slowest until I get some of the 35haste fighter fabled or they give us dbl atk like warriors...which is doubtful.  </p><p>Also, in general....itemization for brawlers as a whole in this expansion has been exceptionally terrible.  I'd even go so far as to say...why not just use the random item generator in games like Diablo or Sacred...we'd be better geared if that was the case.  The item dev completely ignored our class needs so they could imo slack off and not spend the extra time to consider brawlers.  Granted, there are some REALLY nice items for brawlers in the raid scene...SOME being the key word.  I would never expect there to be trillions of items that only 1 subclass could use...but seriously, its not just our weapon choices, its our armor as well.</p>

[Kram337]

Well that's good to know. Good to know it's not just weapons =/This is the sort of thing I dont expect to see changing any time soon. Maybe I should just keep leveling my assassin instead.

[Owa]

<span style="font-size: medium;font-family: times new roman,times;">Brawlers have always been shafted on gear </span><i><span style="font-size: medium;font-family: times new roman,times;">(/cough Anaphlaxis</span></i><span style="font-size: medium;font-family: times new roman,times;"><i>)</i> and I can't see that changing. </span>

[tt66]

<cite>Kram337 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well that's good to know. Good to know it's not just weapons =/This is the sort of thing I dont expect to see changing any time soon. Maybe I should just keep leveling my assassin instead.</blockquote>Honestly? I would. I can't see things getting any better either.Consider (possbily) the top quested items for assassins and brawlers : Anaphylaxis vs Sampan Fighting Baton. (The latter of which was allegedly inserted into the "Killing in the name.." quest because of the whole "oh, sorry, we forgot brawlers existed" thing with the anaphylaxis quest). They're within 10 DR of each other, despite the fact that the Scout reward is a 1H compared to our 2H!My swashy alt is now lvl 73 and is putting out a scary amount of DPS compared to my lvl 80 bruiser. Sure, she can't take a hit as well.. and the lack of FD makes soloing take longer.. but I know who I'd rather be playing at the endgame.

[Turb]

Anyone got a link to that 2h staff from VP with 130+DR and +15% dodge? <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Kram337]

<cite>Snafu@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote>Anyone got a link to that 2h staff from VP with 130+DR and +15% dodge? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /></blockquote>You serious? Whats the name of it? Cause that sounds freakin awesome heh.

[rathi2]

<cite>Dralvin@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Traditionally we always had faster weapons, with our slowest dw weapons being about 2.5 delay (correct me if I'm wrong).  As a bruiser its much more difficult to get huge amounts of haste like the monks can...and we dont get a bunch of dbl atk to compensate for the slow delay (not talking raid buffed...strictly solo).  While I agree it would be nice to have the option of slower crush weapons, I'm sticking around 4s delay at the slowest until I get some of the 35haste fighter fabled or they give us dbl atk like warriors...which is doubtful.  </p><p>Also, in general....itemization for brawlers as a whole in this expansion has been exceptionally terrible.  I'd even go so far as to say...why not just use the random item generator in games like Diablo or Sacred...we'd be better geared if that was the case.  The item dev completely ignored our class needs so they could imo slack off and not spend the extra time to consider brawlers.  Granted, there are some REALLY nice items for brawlers in the raid scene...SOME being the key word.  I would never expect there to be trillions of items that only 1 subclass could use...but seriously, its not just our weapon choices, its our armor as well.</p></blockquote><p>going to have to come down on this one and give SoE huge props which i normally dont do but, [Removed for Content] are u talking about when u say "<b>Granted, there are some REALLY nice items for brawlers in the raid scene...SOME being the key word."</b> Itemization for brawlers is fuckin amazing in this expansion for raiding. There are so many wonderful raid items and choices for brawlers it isnt funny. Before u make comments like this please see what is coming out of VP or examine the jug fabled set and its bonuses. Yes the VP set bonuses arent that great but the amount of brawler gear is plentiful and it is really well done itemization wise. [Removed for Content] we can get a set helm that increases our dodge bt 5% and the tunic gives 3% to riptose and the 3 set bonus of that set gives 5% more riptose. add to that the dogwood staff which gives 15% to dodge u have a great tanking set. If you get the VP fighter only leather most of it has tons of double attak crit strike. We have the best itemization probably in the game atm and people are complaining......</p><p>I would just pick your battles and this is not one of them imo.</p><p>props SoE for doing a great job on the raid end for brawler and itemization.</p><p>Denubis </p><p>Befallen</p><p>Saints of Norrath</p>

[tt66]

<cite>rathi2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dralvin@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Traditionally we always had faster weapons, with our slowest dw weapons being about 2.5 delay (correct me if I'm wrong).  As a bruiser its much more difficult to get huge amounts of haste like the monks can...and we dont get a bunch of dbl atk to compensate for the slow delay (not talking raid buffed...strictly solo).  While I agree it would be nice to have the option of slower crush weapons, I'm sticking around 4s delay at the slowest until I get some of the 35haste fighter fabled or they give us dbl atk like warriors...which is doubtful.  </p><p>Also, in general....itemization for brawlers as a whole in this expansion has been exceptionally terrible.  I'd even go so far as to say...why not just use the random item generator in games like Diablo or Sacred...we'd be better geared if that was the case.  The item dev completely ignored our class needs so they could imo slack off and not spend the extra time to consider brawlers.  Granted, there are some REALLY nice items for brawlers in the raid scene...SOME being the key word.  I would never expect there to be trillions of items that only 1 subclass could use...but seriously, its not just our weapon choices, its our armor as well.</p></blockquote><p>going to have to come down on this one and give SoE huge props which i normally dont do but, [I cannot control my vocabulary] are u talking about when u say "<b>Granted, there are some REALLY nice items for brawlers in the raid scene...SOME being the key word."</b> Itemization for brawlers is [I cannot control my vocabulary] amazing in this expansion for raiding. There are so many wonderful raid items and choices for brawlers it isnt funny. Before u make comments like this please see what is coming out of VP or examine the jug fabled set and its bonuses. Yes the VP set bonuses arent that great but the amount of brawler gear is plentiful and it is really well done itemization wise. [I cannot control my vocabulary] we can get a set helm that increases our dodge bt 5% and the tunic gives 3% to riptose and the 3 set bonus of that set gives 5% more riptose. add to that the dogwood staff which gives 15% to dodge u have a great tanking set. If you get the VP fighter only leather most of it has tons of double attak crit strike. We have the best itemization probably in the game atm and people are complaining......</p></blockquote>I parse it as "there are some really nice items for brawlers this expansion, that are available from raids", rather than "some of the brawler items from raids are nice".Because, to be honest, there ain't much I'm aware of from non-raid stuff that's much use. Not saying there's nothing at all (Deklium Battering Cudgel, Ryjesium Forged Knuckles) but there sure ain't a lot.

[Kram337]

Well that's at least some hope. I wouldn't mind raiding the new expansion. I've still yet to see 80 though. Thanks for the feedback gents.

[Gladesman]

<cite>rathi2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>props SoE for doing a great job on the raid end for brawler and itemization.</p></blockquote><p>I thought brawlers (and bruisers in particular) were just expected to sit out on raids these days? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>But seriously.. all nice and dandy that there are nice drops in VP, but MOST of the brawlers will never see that stuff anyway, so is it that hard for SOE to just put in at least some nice legendary weapons and non-druid leather items (which chain and plate healers are forced to use as well, btw)? </p><p> The only thing I can't complain about is the ROK jewelry, although most of that has also been designed with scouts in mind...</p>