140aa's... best DPS setup?

[Cozumel]

With 140aa's, and NEVER being the tank... What is your opinion on the best way to spec EXCLUSIVLY for DPS with 70/70 in each tree?This excludes many "end-line" abilities (Altrism/Drag/etc)And also, using Fabeled 87DR weapons...

[tt66]

<cite>Cozumel wrote:</cite><blockquote>With 140aa's, and NEVER being the tank... What is your opinion on the best way to spec EXCLUSIVLY for DPS with 70/70 in each tree?This excludes many "end-line" abilities (Altrism/Drag/etc)And also, using Fabeled 87DR weapons...</blockquote>I would really love to see the line of reasoning that makes filling out the Knockout line and NOT spending the 1 extra point to pick up drag seem like a good idea. In fact, apart from Shiftydodge/Control Hate, I don't think there is anything you can spec in the Bruiser tree that is "exclusively for dps".In related news, if you're trying to play a bruiser exclusively for dps, you're really not getting the most out of your class.

[Splor]

<cite>tt66 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cozumel wrote:</cite><blockquote>With 140aa's, and NEVER being the tank... What is your opinion on the best way to spec EXCLUSIVLY for DPS with 70/70 in each tree?This excludes many "end-line" abilities (Altrism/Drag/etc)And also, using Fabeled 87DR weapons...</blockquote>I would really love to see the line of reasoning that makes filling out the Knockout line and NOT spending the 1 extra point to pick up drag seem like a good idea. In fact, apart from Shiftydodge/Control Hate, I don't think there is anything you can spec in the Bruiser tree that is "exclusively for dps".In related news, if you're trying to play a bruiser exclusively for dps, you're really not getting the most out of your class.</blockquote>amen

[Kram337]

<cite>tt66 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>In related news, if you're trying to play a bruiser exclusively for dps, you're really not getting the most out of your class.</blockquote>  I agree, bruiser is much more than dps. I didn't start one because I wanted to be a dps'er but turns out thats what I spend most my time doing anyway. Not necessarily by choice.Maybe the OP only raids. In which case he wouldn't really ever be the tank, not if his guild has stable tanks already. Not really his fault.To answer the OP's question: idk =D

[Hoppy6698]

<p>If you have an AA mirror, there is no reason not to have a DPS build and a Tank build.</p><p> Its a valid question, if you have no valid input, then bypass the thread.</p>

[ganjookie]

Spoony.Knife Party.Fork-a-lork!

[Quicksilver74]

<p>For Max DPS I would suggest:</p><p>Brawler:</p><p>448 AGI</p><p>445 STA</p><p>48822 WIS</p><p>448 INT</p><p>BRUISER:</p><p>Just max out all non-tanking abilities.   Start from the right and work your way across.</p><p>Also throw some points in Heal, close mind, and stone deaf if you can.  They help you stay alive to dps more, even though they are on the tanking side of the spec. </p><p>*Edited to correct a typo in the numbers</p>

[tt66]

<cite>Hoppy6698 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If you have an AA mirror, there is no reason not to have a DPS build and a Tank build.</p><p> Its a valid question, if you have no valid input, then bypass the thread.</p></blockquote>Heh. All I'm saying is that you can't spend 70 points in the Bruiser tree and spec EXCLUSIVELY for DPS, which is what the OP wanted to know.Nevermind whether you should (how can you possibly justify not taking drag if you're spending 26AAs in Knockouts?), it's actually impossible.As far as the Brawler line goes, I personally think that taking Altruism will mean you'll end up doing more DPS indirectly (by way of preventing wipes, saving the life of overnukers etc), than 5 points in Mantis Star. If not, then the cookiecutter DPS build is shown above.

[Quicksilver74]

<p>I think you have a good point with altruism.   It provides good utility, and seeing as how you are likely going to have points in the AGI line anyways it's not a bad way to go.   I currently have a mirror with a Tanking spec, and a dps spec, and my dps spec does have altruism.   Heres how I figured the dps spec I'm working with now:</p><p>AGI 48822</p><p>STA 41</p><p>WIS 48822</p><p>INT 448</p><p>In this spec I knew I wanted Altruism and Crane Flock, so I loaded up the points on Baton Flurry in AGI line, which at rank 8 gives 45% reduction in recovery, and does about twice the damage of the rank 4 version.  Also the AoE from teh WIS line I maxxed out for the increased damage and stun time.  (Plus I needed the 22 points in these lines to open the final abilities).  </p><p>  The STA line is the oddball here, as I had 5 extra points and that was the best I could think to do with them.  Even at rank 1, mantis star is a good debuff, and worth having.  </p>

[TheLopper]

<p>I player a Bruiser to 50 LONG before KoS (and thus AA's) came out.</p><p>I've started a new Bruiser, he's currently lvl 34 with 30 aa's.</p><p>At the max level with max aa's, what would be the absolute <i>best</i> DPS spec?  Since there are extremely few multiple-mob encounters in Kunark, I fail to see why Wis line is even viable, is there a reason behind this I'm not seeing?</p><p>Also, supposing I have a decent weapon(s) at max level, STR line is out right?  I've heard many say that they do more dmg with it, but others say it is best to use a 2H.</p><p> Treat me as though I'm a complete newb with a Bru...because, to all intents are pureposes, I am for now =]</p>

[tt66]

<cite>TheLopper wrote:</cite><blockquote>At the max level with max aa's, what would be the absolute <i>best</i> DPS spec?  Since there are extremely few multiple-mob encounters in Kunark, I fail to see why Wis line is even viable, is there a reason behind this I'm not seeing?</blockquote>Well okay, this is at least answerable, but it's essentially the same answer as given to the OP. The absolute best brawler AA DPS spec is still 448 INT/AGI 445STA 48822 WIS. (an aside to Crabbok : My previous AA line was very similar to yours, but I put the spare 5 points into INT4 parry and went 44862 in AGI/WIS. I figured that the extra defensive stuff would be more use to me than the extra damage. I really only used the tier2 stuff for the effects (group stun/reuse speed buff) anyway. Also, I am poor and have no mirror, so needed an all-purpose build <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Nowadays I'm playing with STR rather than WIS, but that's coz my weapons suck)Why the above spec? Well, it's simple. There are 7 AA choices that will substantially add to your DPS : The 5 tier3 choices, chi and craneflock. Assuming you use weapons, there are only 5. And the above spec takes them all whilst maximising the damage from the tier2 combat arts.Why is WIS viable? Because the AE procs will hit things around you <i>including the mob you're currently hitting</i>. Additionally, crane flock is best served without a garnish of CAs which means it's perfect for triggering just before a DevFist. The two complement each other very well.As far as bruiser AAs go, max out Knockouts (except for the mez, natch) <i>including Drag because it is frickin' awesome.</i> Then max out Shiftyness and get Control Hate (personally, I went via 5 in encounter taunt, 4 in feign and 6 in rescue. I figure why not? We don't need help with single-target aggro and I kinda like being able to jump 6 places in the hate tree. Helps with aggro control in a raid)Once you have 27points in Knockouts and 21 points in Attention, you're out of DPS boosters. So buff up your self heal and get some points in stone deaf, close mind and selfcure in order to deal with AEs better.EDIT : Just a reminder for the record... I still think it's a dumb idea to spec entirely for personal DPS as a brawler. Because frankly, if all you're gonna be bringing to a group or raid is DPS then they'd be better off bringing a scout. It doesn't matter what AA spec you take, you'll <b>never</b> do as much straight-up DPS as a scout, and so you should be making up the difference with <i>utility</i>. I've never saved a raid from wiping because of 5 points in Mantis Bolt, but I've saved several by chucking Altruism on the tank.

[TheLopper]

<cite>tt66 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TheLopper wrote:</cite><blockquote>At the max level with max aa's, what would be the absolute <i>best</i> DPS spec?  Since there are extremely few multiple-mob encounters in Kunark, I fail to see why Wis line is even viable, is there a reason behind this I'm not seeing?</blockquote>Because the AE procs will hit things around you <i>including the mob you're currently hitting</i>.EDIT : Just a reminder for the record... I still think it's a dumb idea to spec entirely for personal DPS as a brawler. Because frankly, if all you're gonna be bringing to a group or raid is DPS then they'd be better off bringing a scout. It doesn't matter what AA spec you take, you'll <b>never</b> do as much straight-up DPS as a scout, and so you should be making up the difference with <i>utility</i>. I've never saved a raid from wiping because of 5 points in Mantis Bolt, but I've saved several by chucking Altruism on the tank. </blockquote><p>So it's still useful because Bru's solo so well that multiple non-encounter, solo mobs are ok for a Bru?  I hadn't taken that into account ><</p><p>I realize that Bru's can do more than DPS, but I solo most of the time, which is why I'm reviving my Bru =]</p><p>EDIT: On top of that, I have another question...would it be better to use a high delay/dmg 2H, or two 1H's?</p>

[tt66]

<cite>TheLopper wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>tt66 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>TheLopper wrote:</cite><blockquote>At the max level with max aa's, what would be the absolute <i>best</i> DPS spec?  Since there are extremely few multiple-mob encounters in Kunark, I fail to see why Wis line is even viable, is there a reason behind this I'm not seeing?</blockquote>Because the AE procs will hit things around you <i>including the mob you're currently hitting</i>.</blockquote><p>So it's still useful because Bru's solo so well that multiple non-encounter, solo mobs are ok for a Bru?  I hadn't taken that into account ><</p></blockquote>Not so much, unfortunately. I mean we <i>can</i> we just don't do it that well. I was more referring to the fact that when fighting a single mob, you're still going to be able to proc damage from WIS3 and do some burst 100% DA from WIS5. You'd get more damage out of them if you were facing multiple mobs, it's true. But the extra DPS you get makes it worth it even on single mobs.And as stated above, there's only 5 non-str AAs that increase DPS in the brawler tree. Might as well get 'em all.