Racial Discrimination?

[Mew]

<p>OK, we have 2 lizard races, a couple of Fae races, an amphibian race, a feline race, 2 human races, 2 elf races, gnomes, halflings and half-elves available for players to choose from.  Why no canine PC races?  Does SOE have a problem with dogs?  </p><p>Orcs and goblins have been around long enough to establish strong societies.  They might be good candidates for PC races as well.  </p>

[Pyra Shineflame]

<p>The only canine races I could think of at the top of my head are the Werewolves and Gnolls...</p><p>We don't have anby bird races (some people may considered the Fae to be our "insect" race) either. I know a lot of people are hoping for a Spiroc PC race.</p>

[Ama]

<cite>Mewse wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK, we have 2 lizard races, a couple of Fae races, an amphibian race, a feline race, 2 human races, 2 elf races, gnomes, halflings and half-elves available for players to choose from.  Why no canine PC races?  Does SOE have a problem with dogs?  </p><p>Orcs and goblins have been around long enough to establish strong societies.  They might be good candidates for PC races as well.  </p></blockquote><p>Don't know if this is the right forum for this. </p><p>I would have to say strong candidates for society are the Gnolls probably the splitpaw gnolls since players have formed a sort of neutral stance with them.  Orcs are plausible, but iffy since alot of races hate them because of their ferocious attacks.  So far I haven't seen too many kind orcs willing to help people out.  </p><p>Vultaks or possibly Aviaks are more reasonable because of the society we have seen in the Overrealm. </p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>How is it racial discrimination that there isn't a canine race?</p><p>People are still crying bloody murder that there isn't an undead race or the Beastlord Class. I think a bipedal Insectoid race would be cool to see, but I'm not trying to push for it.</p><p>Whats next? Giraffes? Jellyfish? Three-Toed Sloth?</p>

[Jindrack]

Yeah!  Where are the Tortox and Pachedarans!  Why are they being oppressed!?

[Josgar]

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah!  Where are the Tortox and Pachedarans!  Why are they being oppressed!?</blockquote>The whosawhatsas? Oh well whatever they are, I am better than them too!

[Trepan]

I've said it before, I'll say it again...Toxic Bog Slugs FTW!

[Bodracoran]

I vote for Gnolls, Skorpokis(or however it's spelled) and Burynai as the next playable races!

[Journee]

<p><span style="font-size: x-small;color: #ff6600;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">I think a gnoll race with a history from a place like Australia would be cool, it could introduct an entire new weapon set (boomarang) and we could have some new tribal type of furniture introduced.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;color: #ff6600;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">~Journee~</span></p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Josgar@Unrest wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah!  Where are the Tortox and Pachedarans!  Why are they being oppressed!?</blockquote>The whosawhatsas? Oh well whatever they are, I am better than them too!</blockquote>Tortoises and Elephants.

[Cadori Seraphim]

<cite>Trepan wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've said it before, I'll say it again...Toxic Bog Slugs FTW!</blockquote>lol This made me chuckle <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />I almost posted something about slugs.. but chose not to and you did it for me! lol

[Valdaglerion]

<cite>Sidori@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Trepan wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've said it before, I'll say it again...Toxic Bog Slugs FTW!</blockquote>lol This made me chuckle <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />I almost posted something about slugs.. but chose not to and you did it for me! lol</blockquote>yeah, but they would all be clamoring for better mounts. Be funny to see slugs with -48% runspeed. They would have to get a mount just to break even...LOL

[Valdaglerion]

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah!  Where are the Tortox and Pachedarans!  Why are they being oppressed!?</blockquote>Well, one is hanging around many of the beaches and the others are being oppressed in MajDul <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />FREEDOM TO THE PACHEDARANS!!

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Frankly I am a little put off by the 'Beatrice Potter' aspect of some of the player races in EQ2</p><p>Frogloks were almost too much for me to accept.  We certainly don't need any badgers, foxes, dogs, cats, field mice or assorted farm animals; thank you very much!</p>

[Kamimura]

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Frogloks were almost too much for me to accept.  We certainly don't need any badgers, foxes, dogs, cats, field mice or assorted farm animals; thank you very much!</p></blockquote>Erm.. I dunno about foxes, but we already have Burynai, Gnolls, Kerra, and Ratonga for badgers, dogs, cats, and 'mice' (alright, so they're rats, but you get the point).

[Powers]

How about a giant panda race?  They could have a Chinese-type culture.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Powers  &8^]

[Paladin776]

<cite>Powers wrote:</cite><blockquote>How about a giant panda race?  They could have a Chinese-type culture.<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />Powers  &8^]</blockquote>Please.  We already have the Yha-lei (murlocs) and goblins that tinker.  We don't need Pandaren also.

[Pratell]

I want to play a rust monster. My racial trait would be decreasing the durability of anything in the vicinity :p

[Mary the Prophetess]

At what point does an MMO lose it's 'High Fantasy' roots, and become another Pokemon, or NeoPets?  If that is the future of EQ2, then please give me 'Age of Conan', [hopefully there will be no 'cute and cuddly' races there!]

[Norrsken]

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>At what point does an MMO lose it's 'High Fantasy' roots, and become another Pokemon, or NeoPets?  If that is the future of EQ2, then please give me 'Age of Conan', [hopefully there will be no 'cute and cuddly' races there!]</blockquote>When the dev's girlfriends wanna play too. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Journee]

<p><span style="font-size: x-small;color: #ff9900;font-family: comic sans ms,sand;">Personally I don't feel that a playable gnoll type race would be loseing any of the fantasy aspect.  Now some of the others I can see where it is just a neo pets idea but seriously I would like to see some sort of gnoll introduced.  I remember when they first talked about this back in EQ1 as players being able to make NPC type characters and I've hoped to do it ever sense.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: x-small;color: #ff9900;font-family: Comic Sans MS;">~Journee~</span></p>

[troodon]

<cite>Mewse wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>OK, we have 2 lizard races</p></blockquote>Reptilian, not lizard.  There's a substantial difference.

[Andemon]

<cite>Mary the Prophetess wrote:</cite><blockquote>At what point does an MMO lose it's 'High Fantasy' roots, and become another Pokemon, or NeoPets?  If that is the future of EQ2, then please give me 'Age of Conan', [hopefully there will be no 'cute and cuddly' races there!]</blockquote>Meh. Then what would you suggest as a new race? At least those beast races show some originality. I've read fantasy fiction for several decades now, and at this point I couldn't care less about one more elven subspecies or anything similar; I've seen hundreds of those, and most were pretty much just pointy-eared humans. Gnolls would be fine addition, though I'd prefer something bit more uncommon. Centaurs, perhaps?

[Apocroph]

<cite>Andemon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Gnolls would be fine addition, though I'd prefer something bit more uncommon. Centaurs, perhaps? </blockquote>The trouble I see with gnolls is that they don't lend themselves to a civilization.  The Frogloks and Sarnak have a long racial history of civilization, and the races with no history of their own (Fae/Arasai) were born into long-standing societies.Gnolls just don't really support the notion of society, or even individual personalities, at least to me.  But even that assumes we need another playable race.I think we may have hit the end of plausible choices for player races, honestly.  Every other species I can think of from Norrath's history doesn't really exhibit the proper traits for a player race.

[Andemon]

True... There aren't many suitable candidate races left. Anyway, last I hear, they were planning to add a good race next. That pretty much excludes the Gnolls. I wasn't too impressed by Sarnaks. Reptilian races are almost always portrayed as evil, and I've seen that so many times that it has grown quite tiresome. Hopefully the next race will be something bit more... unpredictable.

[therodge]

<p>personally im torn i want eather</p><p>a wolf man type race rave screw dogs want a gaint wolfman best representations in game were the lyrech personally though id go for a more underwold 2 william look but anything would do.</p><p>give me valkrie or valkire esk race minus (minus the fact they all have down sydrome) btw thats a far underused model.</p>

[troodon]

<p>I'm just happy I got my Sarnak race, which I've been begging for since release <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>Old school gliding Aviaks would be a possible addition, since they wouldn't be able to fly.  I think Gnolls could be done with the proper backstory.  I don't think anyone here has mentioned Minotaurs... they could be a good foil to Ogres.</p>

[Mary the Prophetess]

<p>Is this *really* what you want to happen to EQ2!??</p><p><img src="http://us.f10.yahoofs.com/phugc/J00RRntJr0bp/photos/aedad3eb05c745eced2bdcfe2cec5006/mr_bdf0dfff20b9c3.jpg?ugAAWhHBmqcACowe" border="0" alt="Barf" width="400" height="295" /></p><p><b>Description:</b> I'm a Mawg. Half man. Half dog. I'm my own best friend. </p>

[Zabjade]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Andemon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Gnolls would be fine addition, though I'd prefer something bit more uncommon. Centaurs, perhaps? </blockquote>The trouble I see with gnolls is that they don't lend themselves to a civilization.  The Frogloks and Sarnak have a long racial history of civilization, and the races with no history of their own (Fae/Arasai) were born into long-standing societies.Gnolls just don't really support the notion of society, or even individual personalities, at least to me.  But even that assumes we need another playable race.I think we may have hit the end of plausible choices for player races, honestly.  Every other species I can think of from Norrath's history doesn't really exhibit the proper traits for a player race.</blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">The Icepaws I can see lending themselves to civilization, and many Gnolls have personality, Fippy the 1st was suicidal, Fippy the 4th is downright devious, and hangs around the Peacock Club in Maj'Dul They build machines, specifically Stills to make their Infamous Blackburrow Stout the Splitpaw Gnolls are well organized if somewhat endo-cannibalistic. <i>(You try being trapped underground with nothing to eat but Mushroom people and the occasional fish) </i>Also with the Dwarves realizing that they share a godling in common with the Gnolls will likely cause them to start working together for an Antonica peace plan. as for enemies for newbies to fight, hold out Gnolls and a possible new Orc beachhead.<i></i></span>

[Apocroph]

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><span style="color: #00cc00;">and many Gnolls have personality, Fippy the 1st was suicidal, Fippy the 4th is downright devious, and hangs around the Peacock Club in Maj'Dul They build machines, specifically Stills to make their Infamous Blackburrow Stout the Splitpaw Gnolls are well organized if somewhat endo-cannibalistic.<i></i></span></blockquote>The Icepaws maybe, the Splitpaws maybe, but they're both a stretch when compared to examples like the Sarnak and Frogloks, who have both established <i><b>cities</b></i>.The various incarnations of Fippy are really the only example we've got of a gnoll thinking much beyond a tribal level.  There just isn't much to say about gnoll civilization.  Even the trolls established a somewhat ordered society.I just don't think there's enough there to establish gnolls as a player race.  It would take a pretty serious divine intervention (something along the lines of Mithaniel awakening the Frogloks) to give them a shot, but I'm not certain the gods are back to being that fond of their creations yet.Edit: Mary raises a very good point.

[Zabjade]

<cite>kuraan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite><span style="color: #00cc00;">and many Gnolls have personality, Fippy the 1st was suicidal, Fippy the 4th is downright devious, and hangs around the Peacock Club in Maj'Dul They build machines, specifically Stills to make their Infamous Blackburrow Stout the Splitpaw Gnolls are well organized if somewhat endo-cannibalistic.<i></i></span></blockquote>The Icepaws maybe, the Splitpaws maybe, but they're both a stretch when compared to examples like the Sarnak and Frogloks, who have both established <i><b>cities</b></i>.The various incarnations of Fippy are really the only example we've got of a gnoll thinking much beyond a tribal level.  There just isn't much to say about gnoll civilization.  Even the trolls established a somewhat ordered society.I just don't think there's enough there to establish gnolls as a player race.  It would take a pretty serious divine intervention (something along the lines of Mithaniel awakening the Frogloks) to give them a shot, but I'm not certain the gods are back to being that fond of their creations yet.Edit: Mary raises a very good point.</blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">There was also a Gnoll in South Karana that was allied with Humans, as well as one adopted into a family in West Karana, Gnolls tend to live underground, it would not too hard to hide their real cities and establish war-camps for surface exploration.</span>Hey now! No dissing the late John Candy! Besides Mel Brooks isn't on the Design Team.

[Vhalen]

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah!  Where are the Tortox and Pachedarans!  Why are they being oppressed!?</blockquote><p>Jindrack speaks the truth. Let the oppression of the Tortoxx and the Pachedarans end! Long have they lived in tyranny, or at least that is what the Lhaar have to say about them. They are one of the few Norrathians, if not the only, to have any record of the trials and tribulations of those two societies. I am sure if they would have banded together early in the --- --- War, they would not have found themselves in their current state. </p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah!  Where are the Tortox and Pachedarans!  Why are they being oppressed!?</blockquote><p>Jindrack speaks the truth. Let the oppression of the Tortoxx and the Pachedarans end! Long have they lived in tyranny, or at least that is what the Lhaar have to say about them. They are one of the few Norrathians, if not the only, to have any record of the trials and tribulations of those two societies. I am sure if they would have banded together early in the --- --- War, they would not have found themselves in their current state. </p></blockquote> ¬_¬ I'm not even touching that one.

[Rijacki]

<cite>Vhalen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah!  Where are the Tortox and Pachedarans!  Why are they being oppressed!?</blockquote><p>Jindrack speaks the truth. Let the oppression of the Tortoxx and the Pachedarans end! Long have they lived in tyranny, or at least that is what the Lhaar have to say about them. They are one of the few Norrathians, if not the only, to have any record of the trials and tribulations of those two societies. I am sure if they would have banded together early in the --- --- War, they would not have found themselves in their current state. </p></blockquote>Nah, it's all because they moved too slow.

[Drager]

Now i dont see what the Gnolls not having a civilization has to do with them not having a playable race. i seem to look at the gnolls like the native Americans they were tribal but their violence was only based on the fact people were invading their land. as well in the south americas there were large signs of civilizations. all in all the gnolls have found a way of life that suites them. they dont need civilization and are very individual. the orcs reming me of the huns creating huge empires and always expanding. i hope this brings some insite on how much the gnolls and orcs have been racially discriminated.