What does your generosity say of you?

[Freliant]

<p>Level 80 Crafter... Sage</p><p>I usually do my work for free (relatively free - I always charge for fuel). I have met alot of great people in game because of this. I have had people tip me 4 plat for making them 14 T8 Spells (about 28-29 gold per spell is what it comes out to), 2 plat for 3 spells, and at the other end of the spectrum, 5 gold each for 3 T8 spells. That is not counting the fuel costs, since I always ask for that upfront.</p><p> I have seen work I do for "free" going for up to 40 plat (for example, making of the AA Swapper device), and all I ask in return, is for the person to give me a donation of their choosing for my services.</p><p>I have noticed a rather disturbing trend though... the more "outspoken", that is, the more well known the person seems to be, the "cheaper" they are. Those that I have never heard of are ussually the ones that give me the most, while those that the whole server knows for one reason or another, are the ones that pay the least. <b><i>Its as if popularity is proportional to how much they value other people.</i></b></p><p><b></b></p>

[Ama]

<cite>Freliant wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Level 80 Crafter... Sage</p><p>I usually do my work for free (relatively free - I always charge for fuel). I have met alot of great people in game because of this. I have had people tip me 4 plat for making them 14 T8 Spells (about 28-29 gold per spell is what it comes out to), 2 plat for 3 spells, and at the other end of the spectrum, 5 gold each for 3 T8 spells. That is not counting the fuel costs, since I always ask for that upfront.</p><p> I have seen work I do for "free" going for up to 40 plat (for example, making of the AA Swapper device), and all I ask in return, is for the person to give me a donation of their choosing for my services.</p><p>I have noticed a rather disturbing trend though... the more "outspoken", that is, the more well known the person seems to be, the "cheaper" they are. Those that I have never heard of are ussually the ones that give me the most, while those that the whole server knows for one reason or another, are the ones that pay the least. <b><i>Its as if popularity is proportional to how much they value other people.</i></b></p></blockquote>I generally tip people what I can ontop of the fuel costs.  If i'm saving for something big depending upon how many spells they made me i'll tip from 10-30g ontop of the fuel costs.  If not i'll tip up to 40-60g for their help making me my spells. 

[Gladiia]

<p>I've only had one stranger make me CAs in this game.  I tried to tip them, but they refused to take it.  I tried to get them to understand that they just saved me 3 plat from the broker, and I felt bad not giving them some of that savings, but they still wouldn't take it.</p><p>Some people are really nice.</p><p>Happens in other games to.  I remember once I buffed someone in another game - took 10 seconds of my time, and they gave me a huge tip for it.  It's always nice to tip someone that does something nice for you - remember they don't have to do it, and in the end even after your tip, you still make out ahead, so tipping is the right thing to do.  The tip I got from that person really made my day.  It was just really neat to see a big thank you in that kind of fashion.</p>

[Griffildur]

It's definitely nice to tip the crafter who just made your life easier. Not to mention you may need the same crafter later hehe.

[Gladiia]

<cite>Griffildur@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>It's definitely nice to tip the crafter who just made your life easier. Not to mention you may need the same crafter later hehe.</blockquote>so very very true <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Rqron]

My crafters do all work up to lvl 50 for anyone for free period. I am answering any and all in game requests i see and that I have crafters for and do not accept any coin for doing it. All I ask is that they give me the rare lots of time because I have the rare by the time we meet I have the product ready for them..That said I also am always offering 20G-30G above the fuel cost for anyone crafting for me. Lately though, with T8 crafting I have seen some quite greedy crafters.  Just yesterday I asked if someone would mind making  a master crafted robe for my wizard and the only reply I had was  that it would cost me 1P over the fuel cost and I provide the rare. Sorry folks, that doesn't fly with me at all. I can wait until my lvl 50 Tailor is at lvl 80.J.C.

[Gladiia]

<cite>Rqron wrote:</cite><blockquote>My crafters do all work up to lvl 50 for anyone for free period. I am answering any and all in game requests i see and that I have crafters for and do not accept any coin for doing it. All I ask is that they give me the rare lots of time because I have the rare by the time we meet I have the product ready for them..That said I also am always offering 20G-30G above the fuel cost for anyone crafting for me. Lately though, with T8 crafting I have seen some quite greedy crafters.  Just yesterday I asked if someone would mind making  a master crafted robe for my wizard and the only reply I had was  that it would cost me 1P over the fuel cost and I provide the rare. Sorry folks, that doesn't fly with me at all. I can wait until my lvl 50 Tailor is at lvl 80.J.C.</blockquote><p>I've seen a lot of that too.  It will probably die down.  I'm sure at this time, there are limited level 80 crafters, and they are taking advantage of being the first ones there.  While it does indeed seem greedy, it's hard to say they don't deserve a little something something for paying the no doubt rediculous prices that advanced books were those first few days.  I wouldn't say they are wrong for doing that, but since it isn't what you normally see people do, it does seem a little out of place.</p><p>I'm personally waiting for the prices to drop a bit before getting MC stuff.  Except I did find a nice 72 MC staff for 1p50g that I have been pretty happy with on the broker.  </p>

[Valdaglerion]

Devils advocate here but people wonder why crafting isnt a viable game play style?Problems with crafting:<ul><li>Crafted items are not on par with the items which drop in game, so the wait and get something better mentality exist (with the exception of spell upgrades which only happen enmass when level caps are raised and A3 is really the only option for upgrades)</li><li>Too many people willing to give away their craft thus destroying the profits in the market (nothing wrong with trade, you scratch my back I scratch yours)</li></ul>It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who expect that because they have the rare you will make the item for them at no additional cost because "your going to get the xp for it" and you should be appreciative of that....

[Hanoverian]

<p>I'm going to take issue with the OP.</p><p>If you were truly altruistic, i.e., only expected peeps to pay you fuel costs and whatever they wanted to tip, and you adopted this policy because you were generous, nice, altrusitci, whatever, then why on earth would you take issue with anyone who tipped you less than you expected?  </p><p>Basically, you've got a subtle marketing strategy.  You are known for working for freem, but in fact, your goal is to get a nice tip.  It works most of the time, but other times it doesn't work.  The fact that you complain about the amount of the tip you receive leads me to believe that you're not as altruitsic as you would have the rest of us believe.</p><p>No, I'm not one of those cheap tippers.  I do all my own crafting.  In fact, I don't even charge for fuel for guildies.  But when someone asks me if I can make something for them, and they are not a guildie, I tell them up front what I expect and if they want it at that price, everyone is happy.</p><p>Don't offer "free" service or say "tip whatever you like" and then complain about what you get.  It falls on deaf ears here. </p><p>   </p><p>    </p>

[Eviljoe2]

<cite>Hanoverian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm going to take issue with the OP.</p><p>If you were truly altruistic, i.e., only expected peeps to pay you fuel costs and whatever they wanted to tip, and you adopted this policy because you were generous, nice, altrusitci, whatever, then why on earth would you take issue with anyone who tipped you less than you expected?  </p><p>Basically, you've got a subtle marketing strategy.  You are known for working for freem, but in fact, your goal is to get a nice tip.  It works most of the time, but other times it doesn't work.  The fact that you complain about the amount of the tip you receive leads me to believe that you're not as altruitsic as you would have the rest of us believe.</p><p>No, I'm not one of those cheap tippers.  I do all my own crafting.  In fact, I don't even charge for fuel for guildies.  But when someone asks me if I can make something for them, and they are not a guildie, I tell them up front what I expect and if they want it at that price, everyone is happy.</p><p>Don't offer "free" service or say "tip whatever you like" and then complain about what you get.  It falls on deaf ears here. </p><p>      </p></blockquote><p>Wow.....quite a lot of venom to the OP from someone who seemingly misunderstood what the OP was saying.</p><p>They were not really complaining, more simply pointing out something ironic.</p><p>The irony they were shedding light on (if I understood the post correctly) is that if someone needs something crafted, and that someone was well known on the server, they tip the crafter less money.  Perhaps the same way that some famous people at restaurants expect to eat for free.....?  </p><p>It is ironic because you would expect the opposite: if one is popular, they should want to tip more, because people know them and they would not want those who know them to think they were cheap.</p><p>No complaining, just an observation.</p>

[Hanoverian]

<cite>Eviljoe2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hanoverian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm going to take issue with the OP.</p><p>If you were truly altruistic, i.e., only expected peeps to pay you fuel costs and whatever they wanted to tip, and you adopted this policy because you were generous, nice, altrusitci, whatever, then why on earth would you take issue with anyone who tipped you less than you expected?  </p><p>Basically, you've got a subtle marketing strategy.  You are known for working for freem, but in fact, your goal is to get a nice tip.  It works most of the time, but other times it doesn't work.  The fact that you complain about the amount of the tip you receive leads me to believe that you're not as altruitsic as you would have the rest of us believe.</p><p>No, I'm not one of those cheap tippers.  I do all my own crafting.  In fact, I don't even charge for fuel for guildies.  But when someone asks me if I can make something for them, and they are not a guildie, I tell them up front what I expect and if they want it at that price, everyone is happy.</p><p>Don't offer "free" service or say "tip whatever you like" and then complain about what you get.  It falls on deaf ears here. </p><p>      </p></blockquote><p>Wow.....quite a lot of venom to the OP from someone who seemingly misunderstood what the OP was saying.</p><p>They were not really complaining, more simply pointing out something ironic.</p><p>The irony they were shedding light on (if I understood the post correctly) is that if someone needs something crafted, and that someone was well known on the server, they tip the crafter less money.  Perhaps the same way that some famous people at restaurants expect to eat for free.....?  </p><p>It is ironic because you would expect the opposite: if one is popular, they should want to tip more, because people know them and they would not want those who know them to think they were cheap.</p><p>No complaining, just an observation.</p></blockquote><p>Venom?  Hardly venomous.  OP was "disturbed" (OP's word) by the trend of popular players tipping less.  OP made a point of "what generosity says about you."  OP said "I met a lot of nice people...."  In other words, if you don't give a reasonable tip, you are not a nice person; you're cheap, and this disturbs OP.</p><p>My point is that if you advertise "free" service or "tip what you feel is reasonable" you can expect some people to tip more than others and you shouldn't complain when you get less that you wanted or hoped to get.  </p>

[Samant]

<p>For me crafting isn't to make money, I did it out of bordom x 6 times to level 80 on each character. I would prefer that I did it all on one character like you could for EQ1 then you do in EQ2. I charge fuel cost only and always turn the tip away even if its someone I've known for years. Guildie or non-guildie if somone asks me to make something I'll go out of my way to get it for them.</p><p>For me crafting is something I do to level my guild quickly doing tradeskill writs by the hundreds. I do about 125-175 writs a week since there isn't much more for me to do game wise because of my play times. The new AA swap mirror only costs 10g to make, but I see some people charge like 5 plat to make the item. Am I a well known crafter on my server, not really because it's mostly word of mouth to those that see one of my alts on when I'm not on my main.</p>

[Kiel]

<p>Personally I hate tipping.  Not because I am not appreciative, but because I never know how much to tip.  It is uncomfortable when someone asks for a tip.  Set a price for what you expect, then if you customer decides to tip you a bit more (which I always do) then so be it.</p><p>I own my own business repairing TVs.  It is a rare occurance when I get a tip from a customer, but it does happen.  It makes my month when someone calls me back just to tell me that thier TV works great or they toss me an extra $5 because they are appreciative.  </p><p>I would never think of just charging for parts and expect the customer to know how much they should pay for labor.  It makes no sense.</p><p>By removing the expectations, you remove the disappointments.</p>

[Calthine]

<cite>Freliant wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> <b><i>Its as if popularity is proportional to how much they value other people.</i></b></p></blockquote>In my case it's the other way around.  My friendly pricing seems to have made me popular.That and I chat a lot.

[Talz]

<cite>Eviljoe2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hanoverian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm going to take issue with the OP.</p><p>If you were truly altruistic, i.e., only expected peeps to pay you fuel costs and whatever they wanted to tip, and you adopted this policy because you were generous, nice, altrusitci, whatever, then why on earth would you take issue with anyone who tipped you less than you expected?  </p><p>Basically, you've got a subtle marketing strategy.  You are known for working for freem, but in fact, your goal is to get a nice tip.  It works most of the time, but other times it doesn't work.  The fact that you complain about the amount of the tip you receive leads me to believe that you're not as altruitsic as you would have the rest of us believe.</p><p>No, I'm not one of those cheap tippers.  I do all my own crafting.  In fact, I don't even charge for fuel for guildies.  But when someone asks me if I can make something for them, and they are not a guildie, I tell them up front what I expect and if they want it at that price, everyone is happy.</p><p>Don't offer "free" service or say "tip whatever you like" and then complain about what you get.  It falls on deaf ears here. </p></blockquote><p>Wow.....quite a lot of venom to the OP from someone who seemingly misunderstood what the OP was saying.</p><p>They were not really complaining, more simply pointing out something ironic.</p><p>The irony they were shedding light on (if I understood the post correctly) is that if someone needs something crafted, and that someone was well known on the server, they tip the crafter less money.  Perhaps the same way that some famous people at restaurants expect to eat for free.....?  </p><p>It is ironic because you would expect the opposite: if one is popular, they should want to tip more, because people know them and they would not want those who know them to think they were cheap.</p><p>No complaining, just an observation.</p></blockquote>It goes both ways.  You can think that someone popular, famous or just very well off is being cheap.  You should look at it from the other side though.  There is a very undeserved sense of entitlement with some people that use tips to subsidize their income.  The more you use various services the more you see it.

[Freliant]

<cite>Hanoverian wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Eviljoe2 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hanoverian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'm going to take issue with the OP.</p><p>If you were truly altruistic, i.e., only expected peeps to pay you fuel costs and whatever they wanted to tip, and you adopted this policy because you were generous, nice, altrusitci, whatever, then why on earth would you take issue with anyone who tipped you less than you expected?  </p><p>Basically, you've got a subtle marketing strategy.  You are known for working for freem, but in fact, your goal is to get a nice tip.  It works most of the time, but other times it doesn't work.  The fact that you complain about the amount of the tip you receive leads me to believe that you're not as altruitsic as you would have the rest of us believe.</p><p>No, I'm not one of those cheap tippers.  I do all my own crafting.  In fact, I don't even charge for fuel for guildies.  But when someone asks me if I can make something for them, and they are not a guildie, I tell them up front what I expect and if they want it at that price, everyone is happy.</p><p>Don't offer "free" service or say "tip whatever you like" and then complain about what you get.  It falls on deaf ears here. </p><p>      </p></blockquote><p>Wow.....quite a lot of venom to the OP from someone who seemingly misunderstood what the OP was saying.</p><p>They were not really complaining, more simply pointing out something ironic.</p><p>The irony they were shedding light on (if I understood the post correctly) is that if someone needs something crafted, and that someone was well known on the server, they tip the crafter less money.  Perhaps the same way that some famous people at restaurants expect to eat for free.....?  </p><p>It is ironic because you would expect the opposite: if one is popular, they should want to tip more, because people know them and they would not want those who know them to think they were cheap.</p><p>No complaining, just an observation.</p></blockquote><p>Venom?  Hardly venomous.  OP was "disturbed" (OP's word) by the trend of popular players tipping less.  OP made a point of "what generosity says about you."  OP said "I met a lot of nice people...."  In other words, if you don't give a reasonable tip, you are not a nice person; you're cheap, and this disturbs OP.</p><p>My point is that if you advertise "free" service or "tip what you feel is reasonable" you can expect some people to tip more than others and you shouldn't complain when you get less that you wanted or hoped to get.  </p></blockquote><p>Well now, alot of inferences were made about my post. Understandable. Notice however, I did not mention that I was at all angry at what people give me for my services. In fact, I have had alot of just "free" customers (only fuel costs). However, when people DO want to tip I just found it odd, and in fact as was mentioned in another post, Ironic, that those who are more popular in the server have a tendancy to tip much less than those who are not known or rarely known in the server.</p><p>Now, you mentioned that you are a heavy tipper... the question would be: how popular are you in the server? does most of the population know you? or are you just another face in the crowd? This is what I wanted to get at, not a complaint post about how much I get for my work.</p><p>Incidently, when I said, I met alot of great people, I literally mean alot of great personalities. People that later go out of their way to help me out in different circumstances, or that hold interesting conversations with me and a miriad of other things. In fact, to this reguard, the lower they tipped, the more inclined they were to talk afterwards. Those that got their work done for free were specially greatfull and talkative and helpful afterwards. So either way, be it that they tip high, or they tip low I always end up winning more than I put in.</p><p>Also... I might be altruistic... but I am not stupid <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> I always accept tips, and I never do a job for less than fuel costs. </p>

[Marcula]

<p><span style="color: #00ccff;">You will never please everyone and vice versa. I personally have a set amount for each tier and thats what I charge. </span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have had someone say "wow....I have been looking for an armorer for over a week! How much? Really? Can't I pay you less? But I don't want to spend that much..."</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">and the next person pay what I charge and then give me a couple more plat on top of it. I tip big because I am a crafter and know what its like and what its worth. I have a list of people I use through all the tiers and it works well. For my guild its for cost and for others its cost plus a bit more.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">And for fun I will once a month or so find that player running around in island gear at level 16 and make them a whole suit for free. (someone did that for me when I first rolled an avatar on the Venekor server and it made things MUCH easier for me)</span></p>

[Mheryl]

I don't think popularity has anything to do with donating.  I have 8 crafters so I don't have too many combines I need done outside of that, but when I do, I either pay what the person asks (and probably add a bit extra if they asked low) or if they haven't asked, tip what I would expect for myself to not feel put upon were I doing the work.Here's something that annoys me to no end tho.. I've managed to make a lot of money in this game.  It's mostly been from crafting, and a couple lucky drops when soloing.  But people will comment in chat now-- things like, Mheryl has money, she doesn't need more, don't pay, blah blah.  I know a lot of it is kidding, but I wonder how many people really do feel that if you're successful in this game (or anywhere, conversationally) you don't deserve to get paid for your work?Just for comparison, I ask for 20g for a rare combine in t8, 30 for imbued.  That gives me 10g profit, and I probably had to buy some of the resources.  Some people are generous and tip me well over that, others are not so generous.  I work through the mail for the most part, and if someone sends less than the 20/30g, I ask for the balance which I feel is not only within my right but what any other crafter should do.Yes, we do it for fun, but we're also using game time that we're paying for to work for someone else.  It's our time, spent making some other player better. We should be compensated for that, even if it's just a little bit. 

[Meirril]

<p>I can't remember the last time I wanted something made and could actually find someone that could work on it...oh wait Tock made me some dragon bust statues for my house. I think I tipped 1p above what he asked for 5 statues to be made. That was months ago.</p><p>Am I famous? Not really. I've been on AB since the beginning. With a name like Justin you kinda have to be. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>I normally work for a set amount. That amount can vary a bit. If I'm crafting already I'm more receptive so the price stays a bit lower. If I'm about to go adventuring or I'm about to log, the price shifts up a bit. If I'm out adventuring I'll drop the price a bit and tell you to mail the order and I'll get to it soon. If I have to travel significant distances to fill *your* order I'll probably charge more. If I know you, the price drops to cost plus maybe a gold or two. If your a guildie just provide the rare and I'll take care of the rest. Most of my guild gives me 10g to cover costs which I appreciate but I don't expect it unless they ask about it. If I like you just from how you approached me I'll drop the prices a bit too. Politeness counts. Oh, and I always do big discounts if you order multiple items at one time. It takes about 10-15 min to set up for a crafting run. It takes about 1-2 min for each item. So if you save me time, I'll save you coin. I value my time alot.</p><p>Have I ever worked for tips? Sure. Not often but sometimes its convient to do someone's order and I don't really care about anything beyond fuel costs. I've had people offer to pay in tips. When they offer it really doesn't work out because they are trying to pull a fast one. When I say work out, I mean feeling wise. Honestly, I couldn't care less about making less coin on a live order. I appreciate that someone is actually trying to deal face to face instead of just buying off the broker. It makes my day better. </p><p>I do notice that people tip my tailor more than my alchemist. I'm not sure why. Other than that I've noticed that the rare adventurer who stumbles out of the night asking for wierd items tip the most. I'm not sure why, maybe because that's what the would of paid on the broker. </p>

[Valdaglerion]

<cite>Wanderingwilly@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">You will never please everyone and vice versa. I personally have a set amount for each tier and thats what I charge. </span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">I have had someone say "wow....I have been looking for an armorer for over a week! How much? Really? Can't I pay you less? But I don't want to spend that much..."</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">and the next person pay what I charge and then give me a couple more plat on top of it. I tip big because I am a crafter and know what its like and what its worth. I have a list of people I use through all the tiers and it works well. For my guild its for cost and for others its cost plus a bit more.</span></p><p><span style="color: #00ccff;">And for fun I will once a month or so find that player running around in island gear at level 16 and make them a whole suit for free. (someone did that for me when I first rolled an avatar on the Venekor server and it made things MUCH easier for me)</span></p></blockquote>Interesting how that works. Pay it forward <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Torri]

<p>There's just no way to make a blanket judgement/label based on a character's noteriety. In the last 2 days I was tipped extremely well by two different members of the top Guild progression-wise on the server for making a couple of adornments. </p><p>And I don't "charge" anything ever. I work strictly on donations. Only once have I not had costs covered and I still hoped the person would get a lot of use out of the armor I made them</p>

[OmniDrac]

<p>I am evil..</p><p>I only craft for Evil people...</p><p>I send people that are charging below my price as many people as I find that need stuff so they cry IRL.</p><p>I kill people that are not evil too...</p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/49869fe8223507d7223db3451e5321aa.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>