Bigger pipes needed SOE??

[sayitaintso]

With the recent upturn in in-game lag and now with patch download times being measured in hours not minutes maybe it's time to increase your bandwidth?Just a thought...

[Grakkan]

<p>I second this...</p><p> Went to play last night for the first time in a few months...low and behold, 6 hour wait.  Awesome.</p>

[Cownose]

Ok great!  I am just glad I'm not the only one.  I wasn't sure if A) pipes where filled, or B) the patch is huge and my internet just sucks.  Looks like the answer is A because I'm sure your internet is not nearly as bad as mine. ^^Yeah.. 9hrs remaining, lol!  But it seems like every time I restart the client the estimated time goes down by an hour!

[Valdaglerion]

It wasnt the patch size. I downloaded the patch in about 8 minutes. Sounds like a different bottleneck. I will say I have noticed some bugs that hang during zoning though. Watch the indicators on the zone screens, when the music cycles, if you havent finished zoning and dont see progress, kill the app and restart it. Typically, the longer waiting doesnt help.

[sayitaintso]

this is rediculous. I regularly get download speeds of 800k-1MPS. I can download the average MP3 in just a few seconds...This patch would need to HUGE if I was currently getting that kind of speed..(I know I am not)....I wonder if the Station Launcher is their way to avoid increasing their bandwidth since supposedly you can download updates anytime instead of having it done when you try to log in..The Station Launcher allows plat spammers to send cross server messages avoiding the spam filters, and allows them to use the launcher chat function to spam you too...

[g0thiC_iCe_cReaM]

if you're getting a megabit or less, you may want to get a different internet provider...i was getting 4-6mbps on my 12mb cable when i downloaded RoK...SOE has enough bandwidth, you don't...

[Jehannum]

<p>Sony's patcher is brutal; always loses connection, lousy estimates of remaining time and all that.  The solution, though, is simple.</p><p>When it stalls or seems to be running slowly, the following process generally clears things up, if only temporarily:</p><p>1. Cancel the download.</p><p>2. In a Command prompt already opened, type IPCONFIG /FLUSHDNS.  If you're not comfortable with this, unplug and re-insert your network cable (waiting a few seconds) instead.</p><p>3. Start the download again.</p><p>This forces your machine to create a completely fresh IP connection to the Sony servers in order to re-start the download.  Since your download status is preserved, you lose little or nothing of what you've already downloaded, and generally the new connection responds better - at least for a little while.</p>

[UlteriorModem]

<p>Very strange...</p><p>Ive never had problems with updates. They typically take from 5 to 10 minutes /shrug.</p><p>Never had one fail, never had one corrupted, never had one take 'hours'.</p><p>Nope no problems here. Sorry.</p>

[Saihung23]

You know...take the SOE out of your title and replace it with Giovanni...and that is the subject line of several emails I recieved recently..

[KBern]

<cite>UlteriorModem wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Very strange...</p><p>Ive never had problems with updates. They typically take from 5 to 10 minutes /shrug.</p><p>Never had one fail, never had one corrupted, never had one take 'hours'.</p><p>Nope no problems here. Sorry.</p></blockquote>Ditto, LU 41 took maybe 5 minutes.  Regular Bellsouth DSL

[Swordmage]

If you are trying to download right after the patch goes up, along with several thousand of your closest friends, the download will be longer with everyone sharing the bandwidth. However, it makes no sense to size the pipes for that overload time; contrary to popular belief, bandwidth ain't cheap when talking terabit rates.

[Zin`Car]

<cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>It wasnt the patch size. I downloaded the patch in about 8 minutes. Sounds like a different bottleneck. I will say I have noticed some bugs that hang during zoning though. Watch the indicators on the zone screens, when the music cycles, if you havent finished zoning and dont see progress, kill the app and restart it. Typically, the longer waiting doesnt help.</blockquote><p>you didnt read what the person said...  allow me to reitterate so you can see the flaw in your jumped conclusion:</p><p><i>"I second this...</i></p><p><i> Went to play last night for the first time in a few months...low and behold, 6 hour wait.  Awesome."</i></p><p>Had NOTHING to do with simply the patch from the 12th.</p>

[Saihung23]

<cite>Luinne@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Valdaglerion wrote:</cite><blockquote>It wasnt the patch size. I downloaded the patch in about 8 minutes. Sounds like a different bottleneck. I will say I have noticed some bugs that hang during zoning though. Watch the indicators on the zone screens, when the music cycles, if you havent finished zoning and dont see progress, kill the app and restart it. Typically, the longer waiting doesnt help.</blockquote><p>you didnt read what the person said...  allow me to reitterate so you can see the flaw in your jumped conclusion:</p><p><i>"I second this...</i></p><p><i> Went to play last night for the first time in a few months...low and behold, 6 hour wait.  Awesome."</i></p><p>Had NOTHING to do with simply the patch from the 12th.</p></blockquote><p>QFE</p><p>It was going to take a long time...but you can cancel and go back in (do it after the little bar fills up and starts filling again) and get an updated timer...</p><p>Its all about the fact that you have missed many updates and an expansion </p>

[Duotang]

<cite>UlteriorModem wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Very strange...</p><p>Ive never had problems with updates. They typically take from 5 to 10 minutes /shrug.</p><p>Never had one fail, never had one corrupted, never had one take 'hours'.</p><p>Nope no problems here. Sorry.</p></blockquote>Seconded. No problems, ever.

[Femke]

No problem here at all. The patch came in within some minutes.... but maybe should noted that I have a 20mb connection with one of the best providers here in The Netherlands (and I pay for that <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />).Femke.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Garthan@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>if you're getting a megabit or less, you may want to get a different internet provider...i was getting 4-6mbps on my 12mb cable when i downloaded RoK...SOE has enough bandwidth, you don't...</blockquote>QFT...The longest I've ever waited for a download patch was when EOF was launched. Later to my chagrin I realized that my roommate was streaming music from our Linux server to about 100 people that night.RoK was 30 mins for me.. and every GU or LU has been 10 min tops..

[TheFitz]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Garthan@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>if you're getting a megabit or less, you may want to get a different internet provider...i was getting 4-6mbps on my 12mb cable when i downloaded RoK...SOE has enough bandwidth, you don't...</blockquote>QFT...The longest I've ever waited for a download patch was when EOF was launched. Later to my chagrin I realized that my roommate was streaming music from our Linux server to about 100 people that night.RoK was 30 mins for me.. and every GU or LU has been 10 min tops.. </blockquote>Yeah I concur. I went from Classic to RoK. I had heard horror stories so I was prepared to wait. I began the update and left to get some food. When I had returned from McDonald's about 45 minutes later it was done. Needless to say I was impressed with the speed especially considering I went from Classic to current.

[Jehannum]

<p>Bah, ya bunch of lucky bastiges...</p><p>I know I only notice it when it's <i>not</i> working, but I swear any major patch stalls out at some stage or other and if I don't restart it, it keeps doing a hitched countdown.</p><p>45...44...43...1:15...1:14...1:13...1:12...1:45... 1:44...1:43...2:32...</p>

[netglen]

The patch came down as quick as usual, but I'm experiencing all sorts of lag since they added all this holiday stuff.

[Grakkan]

<p>A single patch is nothing...but when rebuilding a system and having to reinstall EVERYTHING, the EQII patcher just doesn't cut it.  I can reinstall WoW and fully patch it in the time it takes the EQII patcher to grab 1 expansion.  Why is SOE so far behind the curve?...I guess i'm going to have to go out and buy the discs again with the most recent expansions....</p><p> ....as intended, eh SOE?</p>

[Gladiia]

<p>Yeah, if you havent played since the RoK came out, it doesn't much matter how fast you are, it's gonna take a while.  If you don't have a fast connection it's gonna take many hours most likely.  I wish they would offer 1-month-after-the-fact disks for a small fee that had all patches from one month after an expac came out.  I'm dreading the wait I would have to go thru if I had to restore for some reason.  </p><p><cite>Grakkan wrote:</cite></p><blockquote><p>A single patch is nothing...but when rebuilding a system and having to reinstall EVERYTHING, the EQII patcher just doesn't cut it.  I can reinstall WoW and fully patch it in the time it takes the EQII patcher to grab 1 expansion.  Why is SOE so far behind the curve?...I guess i'm going to have to go out and buy the discs again with the most recent expansions....</p><p> ....as intended, eh SOE?</p></blockquote><p>That's strange.  It used to take me an hour or close to an hour every tuesday after wow went down when I played that.  With the expeption of the first time I played, and after the first RoK patch, I never had to wait more then 2-3 minutes for a patch to download with eqII.</p>

[Paladin776]

<cite>Grakkan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A single patch is nothing...but when rebuilding a system and having to reinstall EVERYTHING, the EQII patcher just doesn't cut it.  I can reinstall WoW and fully patch it in the time it takes the EQII patcher to grab 1 expansion.  Why is SOE so far behind the curve?...I guess i'm going to have to go out and buy the discs again with the most recent expansions....</p><p> ....as intended, eh SOE?</p></blockquote>Seeing as how WOW with Burning Crusade is around 2 1/2 GB and EQ2 with all expansions, adventure packs and optional content is somewhere in the neighborhood of 10GB, I'd say it's rather obvious why it takes so much longer.

[Grakkan]

<cite>Dylara@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grakkan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A single patch is nothing...but when rebuilding a system and having to reinstall EVERYTHING, the EQII patcher just doesn't cut it.  I can reinstall WoW and fully patch it in the time it takes the EQII patcher to grab 1 expansion.  Why is SOE so far behind the curve?...I guess i'm going to have to go out and buy the discs again with the most recent expansions....</p><p> ....as intended, eh SOE?</p></blockquote>Seeing as how WOW with Burning Crusade is around 2 1/2 GB and EQ2 with all expansions, adventure packs and optional content is somewhere in the neighborhood of 10GB, I'd say it's rather obvious why it takes so much longer.</blockquote><p>~30-60 minutes for WoW as compared to 19 hours for EQII?  I can down 1.2MB (yes, megaBYTES, not bits) from my house and can grab a 600MB patch from the WoW patcher in no time...it takes well over an hour for the same amount of data (yes, I have monitored the folder size to check) with the EQII patcher.The WoW Patcher IS faster because it uses better technology; rather than seeping information from one central server, it grabs it like BitTorrent from other WoW Clients.  Much more efficient and less waste of paying customer's time if you ask me.Oh, and BTW, I just checked the full size of my WoW folder...10.7GB...maybe a gig or 2 less without the full patch exe's.</p>

[Norrsken]

<cite>Grakkan wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dylara@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Grakkan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>A single patch is nothing...but when rebuilding a system and having to reinstall EVERYTHING, the EQII patcher just doesn't cut it.  I can reinstall WoW and fully patch it in the time it takes the EQII patcher to grab 1 expansion.  Why is SOE so far behind the curve?...I guess i'm going to have to go out and buy the discs again with the most recent expansions....</p><p> ....as intended, eh SOE?</p></blockquote>Seeing as how WOW with Burning Crusade is around 2 1/2 GB and EQ2 with all expansions, adventure packs and optional content is somewhere in the neighborhood of 10GB, I'd say it's rather obvious why it takes so much longer.</blockquote><p>~30-60 minutes for WoW as compared to 19 hours for EQII?  I can down 1.2MB (yes, megaBYTES, not bits) from my house and can grab a 600MB patch from the WoW patcher in no time...it takes well over an hour for the same amount of data (yes, I have monitored the folder size to check) with the EQII patcher.The WoW Patcher IS faster because it uses better technology; rather than seeping information from one central server, it grabs it like BitTorrent from other WoW Clients.  Much more efficient and less waste of paying customer's time if you ask me.Oh, and BTW, I just checked the full size of my WoW folder...10.7GB...maybe a gig or 2 less without the full patch exe's.</p></blockquote>I dont think you will find a single person here that wont agree that pretty much anyone would agree that any patcher is better than the eq2 one. It sucks so bad you can use it to clean yoru apartment. Ugh.

[bleap]

My husband was the OP here on this thread.  We figured out a few minutes after he posted that it was the Launcher that was actually causing the problem. It wasn't doing anything, but as soon as he closed it the patch took off and it took about 6 minutes.

[burny4]

<p>All I can say is that I recently formated, Downloaded the launcher, Patched the entire game, and was playing in less time than a lot of people said the GU took. So Im led to believe its you, not SOE.</p>

[bleap]

<cite>Litterbox@Crushbone wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>All I can say is that I recently formated, Downloaded the launcher, Patched the entire game, and was playing in less time than a lot of people said the GU took. So Im led to believe its you, not SOE.</p></blockquote>I have a 12 MPS cable connection, I can go to just about any site and download data at between 800K and 1.2 MPS, Sometimes it takes me 15-20 minutes to patch a SMALLISH patch from SOE..It's the only download that regularly is so slow. I am led to believe you are mistaken...But it's not a big deal...I can DL SOE's patch on my cable connection and play WOW on my cell connection while I wait....(something I also cannot do with EQ2... and it's not the connection speed)...

[burny4]

according to toast.net 's performance test im at between 4.0 MbS and 4.6Mbs and I patched the entire game in less than a 7 hour workday. I remember it like it was yesterday, ok well like it was the day before yesterday, because.... well it was the day before yesterday.

[Rqron]

<p>The latest patch took only about 30 seconds (the big update 1 hr) it was nothing really..but the lag in the new zones like kunzar is horrendous and it is not system on my side type of lag.  It is lag because of the return signal from SOE takes forever. I execute a spell and the return update frome SOE takes .8+ (800ms+)  seconds that means you wait .8 seconds plus the time it took you to reach them before you see the status for the mob change. Sometimes it is longer and I execute a big nuke knowing it will knock out the mob only to see that the mob still sits there on the root, the health bar has not changed and then after a two seconds or more it finally keels over and is death  ( no additional action taken on my side) frustrating..and it is not my connection as other DL and games work great. Same with harvesting..I harvest a node and the node is still there for a while before it disapears and the return signal that tells the game that the node is harvested and what you get according to the RNG takes forever.... </p><p>And talking to others I find that many have the same problem and are quite frustrated.. now, what is kinda strange to the average user is that this is not happening as much in SS or EL or even in the looping plains I guess because there is less activity going on in those areas at the moment.. I believe its not so much the capacity of SOEs pipes as that the servers are running maxed out and need to be beefed up to handle Rok and the hughe influx it created. And just so people realize this, just because it saiz LDL or Unrest or whatever server name does NOT mean it is <b>one</b> physical server..it means it is <b>one bank</b> of servers with individual ip and DNS working together to <b>act</b> as one.  You can see this easy when you look at the different IP and DNS for places like NQ, SQ, Antonica,TS, and so on. This is one of the reasons that if your local service provider has DNS problems you may be able to play in one zone or one set of zones but not the other.. RR (our  internet provider) had a problem in Ohio and surounding states a while back and we where able to play the game in NQ, SQ, BB, Faydark and a couple others but when I or any of my friends tried to zone to QH,Antonica and a few others you got stuck and was lost to the world..the game zoned the character as could be seen in the character screen but because RR could not resolve the DNS and ip for the server  that zone was running on the player was dumped out and not able to log to those characters until they fixed it. Also I was not able to reach any character that was already in any of those zones (located on any of those individual servers). </p><p>J.C.</p>

[Femke]

<cite>Rqron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The latest patch took only about 30 seconds (the big update 1 hr) it was nothing really..but the lag in the new zones like kunzar is horrendous and it is not system on my side type of lag.  </p></blockquote>Are you sure? I play the new zones on "high graphics" and have no lag to mention at all. Only on big actions as raids I have to switch back to "balanced graphics".Femke.

[Vinlaen]

Currently on a 9 hour download with a well specced computer. I live in the UK though, anyone know if the patches have to come from across the pond?

[Grimbard]

<cite>Rqron wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The latest patch took only about 30 seconds (the big update 1 hr) it was nothing really..but the lag in the new zones like kunzar is horrendous and it is not system on my side type of lag.  It is lag because of the return signal from SOE takes forever. I execute a spell and the return update frome SOE takes .8+ (800ms+)  seconds that means you wait .8 seconds plus the time it took you to reach them before you see the status for the mob change. Sometimes it is longer and I execute a big nuke knowing it will knock out the mob only to see that the mob still sits there on the root, the health bar has not changed and then after a two seconds or more it finally keels over and is death  ( no additional action taken on my side) frustrating..and it is not my connection as other DL and games work great. Same with harvesting..I harvest a node and the node is still there for a while before it disapears and the return signal that tells the game that the node is harvested and what you get according to the RNG takes forever.... </p></blockquote>This is the EXACT problem I am having.  It is extremely frustrating with my warlock since I can't tell if my nuke lands, or gets resisted or if my root is still holding or not.  Nothing like watching the game freeze and then "pop" back to current with your health going from green to red.  Is there a way to fix this?

[Femke]

<cite>Vinlaen wrote:</cite><blockquote>Currently on a 9 hour download with a well specced computer. I live in the UK though, anyone know if the patches have to come from across the pond?</blockquote>Living in The Netherlands (hello neighbor <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />), but no problems with the patches here. Neither EoF or RoK (on the release dates) took 9 hours for me... In both cases started fast, slowed down, to turn fast again...We patched the computer of my daughter within 2 hours completely... from install CD's that were sold at release date EQ2, all expansions and adventure packs included.Femke.