Who is Khalan Dar...

[Adun]

...and why is his shade in Phara Dar's cell inside Veeshan's Peak?Google yields no results nor does a search on these forums.

[DMIstar]

Unsure, Though Dont know all expansions... Ones I remeber seeing are.Jaled Dar - DNRydda`Dar - HoHLantaric`Dar -WLKelorek`Dar - CSPhara Dar - VSAerin`Dar - PoVHarlar Dar - WW

[Cusashorn]

Khalan Dar? That's a new one for sure.

[Choombatta]

<cite>Istar@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unsure, Though Dont know all expansions... Ones I remeber seeing are.Jaled Dar - DNRydda`Dar - HoHLantaric`Dar -WLKelorek`Dar - CSPhara Dar - VSAerin`Dar - PoVHarlar Dar - WW</blockquote>Fraka Dar too. Son of Harla Dar - WW ( inside another dragon's tummy ).

[Chanaluss]

fraka dar was killed by zlandicar, he carries Fraka Dar's talisman.ive never personally understood why there are so many dar brood dragons of different colors and shapes. since different colored dragons are not allowed to breed, it seems interesting to me that they share the common bond of the title "Dar." personally i generally consider the true dar brood members to be jaled, phara, harla, and fraka, since theyre all designated as black dragons. no clue who this Khalan Dar fellow is tho

[troodon]

<cite>Charuthus@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>ive never personally understood why there are so many dar brood dragons of different colors and shapes. since different colored dragons are not allowed to breed,</blockquote>Opposite elements aren't allowed to breed, that's quite a different thing.

[Cusashorn]

Yeah, pretty much only Fire and Ice, Earth and Sky, and possible one or two other opposing combonations can't mate with each other. Everything else is fair game.

[Ama]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah, pretty much only Fire and Ice, Earth and Sky, and possible one or two other opposing combonations can't mate with each other. Everything else is fair game.</blockquote>Well down the line as I understood it Poison and Disease came about.  I'm betting Poison and Disease cannot mate either.  However i'm still curious about sky dragons and if they have an opposing element.  They do come from the plane of sky though *I think* and don't follow the normal rules of their draconic kin.

[troodon]

<cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well down the line as I understood it Poison and Disease came about.  I'm betting Poison and Disease cannot mate either.  However i'm still curious about sky dragons and if they have an opposing element.  They do come from the plane of sky though *I think* and don't follow the normal rules of their draconic kin. </blockquote><p>Here's what Jindrack said some time ago:</p><p>"Our lore is running off of the idea that there are four types of pure elemental dragons.  Fire (red), Water/Ice (White), Air (Blue), and Earth (Black).  Generally a dragon's breath is reflective of that element, but not necessarily, and breeding could vastly associated one breath type with a completely different scale color.  All other dragon colors and types derive from the intermixing of these types, except for the law prohibiting the mating of dragons of directly opposite elements; Red-White, Blue-Black.  Usually dragons of opposing pure elements clash because of their mentalities, like Talendor and Gorenair, but there are rare cases like Nagafen and Vox that can lead to trouble.  Dragons that are not of pure element are not in danger of creating a prismatic because their elemental essence is not as concentrated.  Dragons like the deceased Darathar (brown) and Venekor (yellow) would not be able to produce a Prismatic offspring with a mate of any color/element."</p><p>So poison and disease can certainly mate together, and their noxious nature is derived from mixing the different elements.</p>

[teddyboy4]

<cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well down the line as I understood it Poison and Disease came about.  I'm betting Poison and Disease cannot mate either.  However i'm still curious about sky dragons and if they have an opposing element.  They do come from the plane of sky though *I think* and don't follow the normal rules of their draconic kin. </blockquote><p>Here's what Jindrack said some time ago:</p><p>"Our lore is running off of the idea that there are four types of pure elemental dragons.  Fire (red), Water/Ice (White), Air (Blue), and Earth (Black).  Generally a dragon's breath is reflective of that element, but not necessarily, and breeding could vastly associated one breath type with a completely different scale color.  All other dragon colors and types derive from the intermixing of these types, except for the law prohibiting the mating of dragons of directly opposite elements; Red-White, Blue-Black.  Usually dragons of opposing pure elements clash because of their mentalities, like Talendor and Gorenair, but there are rare cases like Nagafen and Vox that can lead to trouble.  Dragons that are not of pure element are not in danger of creating a prismatic because their elemental essence is not as concentrated.  Dragons like the deceased Darathar (brown) and Venekor (yellow) would not be able to produce a Prismatic offspring with a mate of any color/element."</p><p>So poison and disease can certainly mate together, and their noxious nature is derived from mixing the different elements.</p></blockquote>This is really quite interesting and really clears things up as far as dragons and their associated elements and/or properties. It does raise a few questions though. The biggest, and first that comes to mind is where do the Crystalline Dragon(s) fit into the mix? If the dragons that are not of a pure element type, such as brown, yellow, poison and disease come from the breeding and intermingling of the 4 base types, how would a Crystalline dragon fit in, or come to be? I would think that Crystalline would have to be considered a 5th base element, or maybe even outside and/or above the 4 base element types? I mean, we know that the dragon responsible for all Draconic life on Norrath, Veeshan, was Crystalline, and from her came dragons of each base element type. So, maybe as Prismatic is a commingling of 2 opposite element types, Crystalline is all 4 base element types in one.Logically speaking, if a dragons essence and type is based off of it's parents essence types, then a Crystalline dragon would come from the mingling of a Fire and Earth dragon. I base that off of how crystal is created IRL. In reality crystal is made in a very similar way as glass, it's essentially just heating (Fire) up sand (Earth) to a point where it becomes a solid, malleable form, crystal (Fire + Earth = Crystal). But, as we all know, how things work IRL is in no way indicative of how they would work in-game.

[Cusashorn]

There's only one Crystaline dragon in existance. Veeshan herself. Aerin'Dar, the glass dragon in the Plane of Valor has no lore explaining who he is or where he came from, so we really can't say what element he is. We know he's not a crystaline dragon though.

[troodon]

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>The biggest, and first that comes to mind is where do the Crystalline Dragon(s) fit into the mix? If the dragons that are not of a pure element type, such as brown, yellow, poison and disease come from the breeding and intermingling of the 4 base types, how would a Crystalline dragon fit in, or come to be? I would think that Crystalline would have to be considered a 5th base element, or maybe even outside and/or above the 4 base element types? I mean, we know that the dragon responsible for all Draconic life on Norrath, Veeshan, was Crystalline, and from her came dragons of each base element type. So, maybe as Prismatic is a commingling of 2 opposite element types, Crystalline is all 4 base element types in one.</blockquote><p>Since no little Veeshans have popped up in known history I highly doubt that a Crystalline Dragon can be created from whatever sort of stock we see on Norrath.</p><blockquote>Logically speaking, if a dragons essence and type is based off of it's parents essence types, then a Crystalline dragon would come from the mingling of a Fire and Earth dragon. I base that off of how crystal is created IRL. In reality crystal is made in a very similar way as glass, it's essentially just heating (Fire) up sand (Earth) to a point where it becomes a solid, malleable form, crystal (Fire + Earth = Crystal). But, as we all know, how things work IRL is in no way indicative of how they would work in-game.</blockquote><p>Both glass and crystals are formed by cooling, not by heating (glass is formed by rapid quenching and crystals by slower cooling).  That sand you refer to is normally made up of silica crystals already.  They are totally different, and natural glass is something very distinct from anything crystalline.  Neither is malleable.</p>

[teddyboy4]

<cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>The biggest, and first that comes to mind is where do the Crystalline Dragon(s) fit into the mix? If the dragons that are not of a pure element type, such as brown, yellow, poison and disease come from the breeding and intermingling of the 4 base types, how would a Crystalline dragon fit in, or come to be? I would think that Crystalline would have to be considered a 5th base element, or maybe even outside and/or above the 4 base element types? I mean, we know that the dragon responsible for all Draconic life on Norrath, Veeshan, was Crystalline, and from her came dragons of each base element type. So, maybe as Prismatic is a commingling of 2 opposite element types, Crystalline is all 4 base element types in one.</blockquote><p>Since no little Veeshans have popped up in known history I highly doubt that a Crystalline Dragon can be created from whatever sort of stock we see on Norrath.</p><blockquote>Logically speaking, if a dragons essence and type is based off of it's parents essence types, then a Crystalline dragon would come from the mingling of a Fire and Earth dragon. I base that off of how crystal is created IRL. In reality crystal is made in a very similar way as glass, it's essentially just heating (Fire) up sand (Earth) to a point where it becomes a solid, malleable form, crystal (Fire + Earth = Crystal). But, as we all know, how things work IRL is in no way indicative of how they would work in-game.</blockquote><p>Both glass and crystals are formed by cooling, not by heating (glass is formed by rapid quenching and crystals by slower cooling).  That sand you refer to is normally made up of silica crystals already.  They are totally different, and natural glass is something very distinct from anything crystalline.  Neither is malleable.</p></blockquote>Of course there have not been any "little Veeshans" popping up, I was just pondering where a Crystalline dragon fits in amongst the other types. In the first paragraph there I was hypothesizing that a Crystalline Dragon probably is made up of all 4 base elemental types seeing as she was the brood mother, and all dragons can trace their lineage, ultimately, back to her.In the 2nd paragraph I was trying to apply some logic to the situation of a Crystalline dragon. And, yeah, you're right, glass (the kind we use everyday anyway) is made by rapid cooling of super-heated "sand", and the glass, or whatever it is called before it is cooled, is very malleable and that's what I was talking about. So again, I reiterate that if we use the real worlds physics and try to apply them to the in-game world, which, as I said shouldn't really be done but I did here for illustrative purposes, that a Crystalline dragon would probably be a fusing of Earth (sand and lead) and Fire (the heat used to make the "sand" molten and allows the lead to fuse into the structure). Of course, that would be the case if Veeshan is a lead-crystal dragon, but she's probably a natural crystal dragon, which, as you say is much different. Lol, as I said, this and the 2nd paragraph of my above post are hypothetical, b/c when you really think about, I doubt Veeshan was made either way. Unless the Nameless made her in a blast furnace, or grew her from base minerals.....heh, whatever.....

[troodon]

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Of course there have not been any "little Veeshans" popping up, I was just pondering where a Crystalline dragon fits in amongst the other types. In the first paragraph there I was hypothesizing that a Crystalline Dragon probably is made up of all 4 base elemental types seeing as she was the brood mother, and all dragons can trace their lineage, ultimately, back to her.</blockquote><p>That could be, kind of like white light being made up of the rest of the visible spectrum.</p><blockquote>and the glass, or whatever it is called before it is cooled</blockquote><p>In geology we just call it melt.  I'm not sure what glass makers call it... slime? </p>

[Redbed]

<p>I cant believe nobody got this.</p><p> Khalan Dar is the dragon that schedules the broods vacations.  Always gotta have Dragons to man the raid instances.  Khalan makes sure that all the dragons arent away at once.</p><p> If your missing a spawn, just ask Khalan when to expect them back.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p>.</p><p> Nobody?  Not even a chuckle?</p>

[Daine]

Ha that was uber funny <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[evhallion]

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well down the line as I understood it Poison and Disease came about.  I'm betting Poison and Disease cannot mate either.  However i'm still curious about sky dragons and if they have an opposing element.  They do come from the plane of sky though *I think* and don't follow the normal rules of their draconic kin. </blockquote><p>Here's what Jindrack said some time ago:</p><p>"Our lore is running off of the idea that there are four types of pure elemental dragons.  Fire (red), Water/Ice (White), Air (Blue), and Earth (Black).  Generally a dragon's breath is reflective of that element, but not necessarily, and breeding could vastly associated one breath type with a completely different scale color.  All other dragon colors and types derive from the intermixing of these types, except for the law prohibiting the mating of dragons of directly opposite elements; Red-White, Blue-Black.  Usually dragons of opposing pure elements clash because of their mentalities, like Talendor and Gorenair, but there are rare cases like Nagafen and Vox that can lead to trouble.  Dragons that are not of pure element are not in danger of creating a prismatic because their elemental essence is not as concentrated.  Dragons like the deceased Darathar (brown) and Venekor (yellow) would not be able to produce a Prismatic offspring with a mate of any color/element."</p><p>So poison and disease can certainly mate together, and their noxious nature is derived from mixing the different elements.</p></blockquote>This is really quite interesting and really clears things up as far as dragons and their associated elements and/or properties. It does raise a few questions though. The biggest, and first that comes to mind is where do the Crystalline Dragon(s) fit into the mix? If the dragons that are not of a pure element type, such as brown, yellow, poison and disease come from the breeding and intermingling of the 4 base types, how would a Crystalline dragon fit in, or come to be? I would think that Crystalline would have to be considered a 5th base element, or maybe even outside and/or above the 4 base element types? I mean, we know that the dragon responsible for all Draconic life on Norrath, Veeshan, was Crystalline, and from her came dragons of each base element type. So, maybe as Prismatic is a commingling of 2 opposite element types, Crystalline is all 4 base element types in one.Logically speaking, if a dragons essence and type is based off of it's parents essence types, then a Crystalline dragon would come from the mingling of a Fire and Earth dragon. I base that off of how crystal is created IRL. In reality crystal is made in a very similar way as glass, it's essentially just heating (Fire) up sand (Earth) to a point where it becomes a solid, malleable form, crystal (Fire + Earth = Crystal). But, as we all know, how things work IRL is in no way indicative of how they would work in-game.</blockquote>If a Crystalline dragon created all of the elemental dragons then it stands to reason that recombining all those elements would create a Crystalline dragon. The way to do this is simple. The mating of 2 Prismatics. One made from fire/ice and the other made from earth/sky. Their child would be the most powerful dragon since the brood mother herself. Who knows, maybe Kerafyrm is an earth/sky prismatic and will one day mate with the child of Naggy/Vox and we will get to see a new Crystalline dragon that will get the attention of Veeshan herself and finally spark her return to Norrath.

[Rast]

interesting and that could be why it is forbidden, not because it is a 'bad' thing for dragons, but a 'bad' thing for Veeshan?

[Cusashorn]

<p>Bad thing for Norrath in general, but you may be onto something with the 2 Prismatics mating thing.</p><p>Also: What element is Dozekar the Cursed? That'll determine what Kerafyrm is.</p>

[Rainmare]

I believe Doze was a Red (fire) dragon.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I believe Doze was a Red (fire) dragon.</blockquote><p>The dragons color doesn't always define thier element.</p><p>Lets see.. According to Illia's Bestiary, Dozekar used magic-based spell effects, and one of them gave the effect message "You feel your skin freeze."</p>

[Tenkurel]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I believe Doze was a Red (fire) dragon.</blockquote><p>The dragons color doesn't always define thier element.</p><p>Lets see.. According to Illia's Bestiary, Dozekar used magic-based spell effects, and one of them gave the effect message "You feel your skin freeze."</p></blockquote><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6448" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/s...h.shtml?id=6448</a></p><p> He also seemed to use a Lightning based attack.  Might mean he's of the Sky Element.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Many dragons used thunder and lightning attacks though.</p>

[Illine]

<cite>Sarafan@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well down the line as I understood it Poison and Disease came about.  I'm betting Poison and Disease cannot mate either.  However i'm still curious about sky dragons and if they have an opposing element.  They do come from the plane of sky though *I think* and don't follow the normal rules of their draconic kin. </blockquote><p>Here's what Jindrack said some time ago:</p><p>"Our lore is running off of the idea that there are four types of pure elemental dragons.  Fire (red), Water/Ice (White), Air (Blue), and Earth (Black).  Generally a dragon's breath is reflective of that element, but not necessarily, and breeding could vastly associated one breath type with a completely different scale color.  All other dragon colors and types derive from the intermixing of these types, except for the law prohibiting the mating of dragons of directly opposite elements; Red-White, Blue-Black.  Usually dragons of opposing pure elements clash because of their mentalities, like Talendor and Gorenair, but there are rare cases like Nagafen and Vox that can lead to trouble.  Dragons that are not of pure element are not in danger of creating a prismatic because their elemental essence is not as concentrated.  Dragons like the deceased Darathar (brown) and Venekor (yellow) would not be able to produce a Prismatic offspring with a mate of any color/element."</p><p>So poison and disease can certainly mate together, and their noxious nature is derived from mixing the different elements.</p></blockquote>This is really quite interesting and really clears things up as far as dragons and their associated elements and/or properties. It does raise a few questions though. The biggest, and first that comes to mind is where do the Crystalline Dragon(s) fit into the mix? If the dragons that are not of a pure element type, such as brown, yellow, poison and disease come from the breeding and intermingling of the 4 base types, how would a Crystalline dragon fit in, or come to be? I would think that Crystalline would have to be considered a 5th base element, or maybe even outside and/or above the 4 base element types? I mean, we know that the dragon responsible for all Draconic life on Norrath, Veeshan, was Crystalline, and from her came dragons of each base element type. So, maybe as Prismatic is a commingling of 2 opposite element types, Crystalline is all 4 base element types in one.Logically speaking, if a dragons essence and type is based off of it's parents essence types, then a Crystalline dragon would come from the mingling of a Fire and Earth dragon. I base that off of how crystal is created IRL. In reality crystal is made in a very similar way as glass, it's essentially just heating (Fire) up sand (Earth) to a point where it becomes a solid, malleable form, crystal (Fire + Earth = Crystal). But, as we all know, how things work IRL is in no way indicative of how they would work in-game.</blockquote>If a Crystalline dragon created all of the elemental dragons then it stands to reason that recombining all those elements would create a Crystalline dragon. The way to do this is simple. The mating of 2 Prismatics. One made from fire/ice and the other made from earth/sky. Their child would be the most powerful dragon since the brood mother herself. Who knows, maybe Kerafyrm is an earth/sky prismatic and will one day mate with the child of Naggy/Vox and we will get to see a new Crystalline dragon that will get the attention of Veeshan herself and finally spark her return to Norrath.</blockquote><p>you can't always go back to the previous state. not everything is a circle. not because crystaline brought 4 elements that the 4 elements mixed together will give back a crystaline dragon.</p><p>plus the 2 prismatic would have to be male and female, and like each other ... not sure to happen <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Shebara]

<p>The suffix 'Dar just basically means that you're a dragon of the Ring of Scale. Naggy and vox probably had that suffix before they were exiled. And.... Naggy and Vox's egg is in a stasis of sorts, the reason being is that look at what happened to Kerafyrm. Nothing could control him. They had to enchant him in a deep, deep sleep. Aka, the sleeper.</p><p>Veeshan made Norrath, of course she's not going to be breeding, would -you- want a super-powerful version of yourself running around causing chaos out of your control? <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Guldor]

<cite>Choombatta wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Istar@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Unsure, Though Dont know all expansions... Ones I remeber seeing are.Jaled Dar - DNRydda`Dar - HoHLantaric`Dar -WLKelorek`Dar - CSPhara Dar - VSAerin`Dar - PoVHarlar Dar - WW</blockquote>Fraka Dar too. Son of Harla Dar - WW ( inside another dragon's tummy ).</blockquote>add Khalan Dar to that list and we got NINE Dar. is this even worth thinking about. that the nine that will return to face the end are the nine dar?or i am just too late and is already solved who the nine are ?

[ZexisStryfe]

There is a statue in the Hall of Rites in SoS as well for the dragon Zelexsi Dar, or something to that effect.

[Ama]

<cite>Shebara wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The suffix 'Dar just basically means that you're a dragon of the Ring of Scale. Naggy and vox probably had that suffix before they were exiled. And.... Naggy and Vox's egg is in a stasis of sorts, the reason being is that look at what happened to Kerafyrm. Nothing could control him. They had to enchant him in a deep, deep sleep. Aka, the sleeper.</p><p>Veeshan made Norrath, of course she's not going to be breeding, would -you- want a super-powerful version of yourself running around causing chaos out of your control? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>Well I don't think a prismatic dragon can compare to Veshan, but a Prismatic dragon without the presence of Veshan could rule the other dragons.  </p><p>I'm just wondering what Kerafyrm is up to since he doesn't seem to care about the Ring of Scale or Trakanon. </p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Shebara wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The suffix 'Dar just basically means that you're a dragon of the <b>Ring of Scale.</b> Naggy and vox probably had that suffix before they were exiled. And.... Naggy and Vox's egg is in a stasis of sorts, the reason being is that look at what happened to Kerafyrm. Nothing could control him. They had to enchant him in a deep, deep sleep. Aka, the sleeper.</p><p>Veeshan made Norrath, of course she's not going to be breeding, would -you- want a super-powerful version of yourself running around causing chaos out of your control? <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>Not every Dar dragon was a member of the Ring of Scale. </p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=6603" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Kelorek'Dar - located in the Cobalt Scar - Claws of Veeshan Faction</a></p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=7056" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Harla Dar - Western Wastes - Claws of Veeshan Faction.</a></p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=10348" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Aerin'Dar - Plane of Valor - Glass dragon - no known affiliations</a>. (Not much is known about him in general other than he's the cause of the glass wasteland in the Plane itself.)</p><p><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=10596" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Rydda'Dar - Halls of Honor - Element Unknown - No known affiliations, most likely Mithanial Marr himself though.</a></p>

[Coniaric]

<p>The Dar Brood has its beginning within the Claws of Veeshan ... when they had disputes and disagreements, they split into 2 separate factions, one is Ring of Scale. And later on, some Dar brood went and joined the Awakened (Kerafyrm's faction).</p><p>So they get spread out among several factions (or banished like Vox and Nagafen).</p>

[kyrr]

For those that haven't fought Khalan his graphic is much like Jaled in FoB. A ghost dragon (red in this case) above skeletal remains. Phara stands on a ledge above him. The skeleton/ghost is roughly 1/2 - 3/4 the size of Phara. You have to fight them together.  I'll look through my logs and see if I can find what they say.Below is a picture of the room they're in. I'm standing on the ledge that Phara stands on looking down at the entrance and Khalan's skeleton. The circled figure across the room is that of our necromancer so you get and idea of the scale. I don't have a picture next to the bones. I can get that if you like next time we kill them as well.<img src="http://i104.photobucket.com/albums/m191/Bluberry_Cixia/khalan-1.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

[Mr. Dawki]

<p>Someone once told me that Khalan Dar was the son of Phara Dar and that he was killed by Trakanon when he took control of Veshans Peak, as Phara Dar used to be the ruler of Veshans Peak.</p><p>Could be way way off, I don't know.</p>

[LordPazuzu]

<cite>Sarafan@The Bazaar wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amana wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well down the line as I understood it Poison and Disease came about.  I'm betting Poison and Disease cannot mate either.  However i'm still curious about sky dragons and if they have an opposing element.  They do come from the plane of sky though *I think* and don't follow the normal rules of their draconic kin. </blockquote><p>Here's what Jindrack said some time ago:</p><p>"Our lore is running off of the idea that there are four types of pure elemental dragons.  Fire (red), Water/Ice (White), Air (Blue), and Earth (Black).  Generally a dragon's breath is reflective of that element, but not necessarily, and breeding could vastly associated one breath type with a completely different scale color.  All other dragon colors and types derive from the intermixing of these types, except for the law prohibiting the mating of dragons of directly opposite elements; Red-White, Blue-Black.  Usually dragons of opposing pure elements clash because of their mentalities, like Talendor and Gorenair, but there are rare cases like Nagafen and Vox that can lead to trouble.  Dragons that are not of pure element are not in danger of creating a prismatic because their elemental essence is not as concentrated.  Dragons like the deceased Darathar (brown) and Venekor (yellow) would not be able to produce a Prismatic offspring with a mate of any color/element."</p><p>So poison and disease can certainly mate together, and their noxious nature is derived from mixing the different elements.</p></blockquote>This is really quite interesting and really clears things up as far as dragons and their associated elements and/or properties. It does raise a few questions though. The biggest, and first that comes to mind is where do the Crystalline Dragon(s) fit into the mix? If the dragons that are not of a pure element type, such as brown, yellow, poison and disease come from the breeding and intermingling of the 4 base types, how would a Crystalline dragon fit in, or come to be? I would think that Crystalline would have to be considered a 5th base element, or maybe even outside and/or above the 4 base element types? I mean, we know that the dragon responsible for all Draconic life on Norrath, Veeshan, was Crystalline, and from her came dragons of each base element type. So, maybe as Prismatic is a commingling of 2 opposite element types, Crystalline is all 4 base element types in one.Logically speaking, if a dragons essence and type is based off of it's parents essence types, then a Crystalline dragon would come from the mingling of a Fire and Earth dragon. I base that off of how crystal is created IRL. In reality crystal is made in a very similar way as glass, it's essentially just heating (Fire) up sand (Earth) to a point where it becomes a solid, malleable form, crystal (Fire + Earth = Crystal). But, as we all know, how things work IRL is in no way indicative of how they would work in-game.</blockquote>If a Crystalline dragon created all of the elemental dragons then it stands to reason that recombining all those elements would create a Crystalline dragon. The way to do this is simple. The mating of 2 Prismatics. One made from fire/ice and the other made from earth/sky. Their child would be the most powerful dragon since the brood mother herself. <b>Who knows, maybe Kerafyrm is an earth/sky prismatic and will one day mate with the child of Naggy/Vox and we will get to see a new Crystalline dragon that will get the attention of Veeshan herself and finally spark her return to Norrath.</b></blockquote><p>Kerafyrm is Fire/Ice.  His father is Dozekar, a red.</p>

[Nocturnal Aby]

<cite>Rainmare@Oasis wrote:</cite><blockquote>I believe Doze was a Red (fire) dragon.</blockquote>This was brought up, and discussed in the following posts, specifically regarding how much the color of a dragon tells of his elemental alignment, and what sort of magic Dozekor used when you fought him.

[Nocturnal Aby]

<cite>Mr. Dawkins wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Someone once told me that Khalan Dar was the son of Phara Dar and that he was killed by Trakanon when he took control of Veshans Peak, as Phara Dar used to be the ruler of Veshans Peak.</p><p>Could be way way off, I don't know.</p></blockquote>Though I could be mistaken, I thought it was Fraka Dar who was the offspring of Phara, and was subsequently killed by Trakanon.

[LordPazuzu]

<cite>Nocturnal Abyss wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Mr. Dawkins wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Someone once told me that Khalan Dar was the son of Phara Dar and that he was killed by Trakanon when he took control of Veshans Peak, as Phara Dar used to be the ruler of Veshans Peak.</p><p>Could be way way off, I don't know.</p></blockquote>Though I could be mistaken, I thought it was Fraka Dar who was the offspring of Phara, and was subsequently killed by Trakanon.</blockquote>I thought Fraka was the offspring of Harla Dar.

[Nocturnal Aby]

<p>Ah, you're right, getting my two Dar women mixed up.</p>