Raid parse

[Uzzaden]

OK just Curious ... I am lvl 80 now and all my spells adept III and I am working hard on Raid DPS... Are you finding that the DPS on raids now is being out parsed by swashy or even scout classes in general... I may be under par but I have 121 AA and I am on single target mobs about 2200 +/- and on group encounters (which ROK really lacks) about 3300 or so... What is everyone parsing??? and I am curious with the new spells have you changed your casting order of your spells? Anyone have some insight?

[ThadeusOfShibboleth]

Post a description of your usual group make-up and your casting order so we can help ya.  You should be parsing considerably higher unless your group setup just flat out sucks.  Single targets I'm consistant 3-3.5K sometimes peaking 4K if the mob doesn't eliminate my broodlings too fast.  Encouters, you should be at least double what you are now...unless your tank can't hold them off you.  Depending on the encounter I range anywhere from 4K-9K sustained dps.  I have parsed 12K on a trio in VoES but everything was picture perfect.  More mobs per encounter obviously mean more dps and higher numbers.  This is all just examples so please keep in mind encounter dps for us Warlocks is entirely situational.

[Uzzaden]

Wow ok I officaily SUCK  then I guess I thought I was doing well here is my lineup against single target mobs.. all my spells adept IIIBrood infestationNetherrealmVaccum FieldAura of VoidFreehand sorceryDistortionArmeggedonFlames of veliousDissolveAcidVaccum ChamberThen honestly as the spells are  coming up I Am recycling.. usually dissolve and acid and Vaccum ChamberPLEASE note I am using cataclysm  when ever it comes up.. it is being fired when it is up before any other spell..PLease tell me how you get so high on your parse... I have the same spells as you and well to me I knwo casting order os so important but I thought this one worked well.. I did my homework  before developing a casting order so please I WOULD LOVE TO PARSE THAT HIGH and I am not ashamed to say ask for help

[ThadeusOfShibboleth]

<p>First off, you don't suck, I have seen much worse lol.  Second, you came here for help and help you will get.  I'm not perfect so take my advice with a grain of salt.  Here goes:</p><p>Your "base" dps is built by dots, they are your key to a high parse.  Keep them up at all times but try not to recast before they go the full duration.  That being said, here is my casting, in order of priority.  It is different now then it was in T7 cause some spells really got some RoK lovin'.</p><p><b>Opening Sequence (Single Target):</b><Focused Casting>Acid StormVacuum Field (usually only cast one time on the pull for initial debuff)Aura of VoidGift of BertoxxAcidVacuum ChamberArmageddon (FHS/Catalyst)NetherealmBrood Infestion (if safe to cast, ie. mob AE)</p><p><b>Casting Cycle(Single Target):</b>Aura of VoidGift of BertoxxAcidVacuum ChamberDistortionDissolve (way better then Soul Blister was in T7)EncaseFlames of Velious</p><p><b>Opening Sequence (Encounter Target):</b><Focused Casting>Acid StormVacuum Field (usually only cast one time on the pull for initial debuff)Gift of BertoxxNetherealmCataclysmArmageddon (FHS/Catalyst)Upheaval (if 3+ targets)Brood Infestation (if safe to cast, ie. mob AE)</p><p><b>Casting Cycle(Encounter Target):</b>Nullify (cast it, it usually triggers procs)Gift of BertoxxCataclysmRadiationAbsolutionArmageddonStati c DischargeDistortion (if rest is on cooldown)</p><p>Notes:Netherealm - some like to precast, I don't.  I seem to get more dps from it after I have set base dps with my dots.Broodlings - Do NOT cast this on the pull if the mob has an AoE, watch spatial for it to hit, they cast them immediately.  Even in their borked state, they still do decent dps.Acid - unresistable damage and quick casting makes this spell highly efficientVacuum Chamber - NEVER let this stop ticking.  Cast a new one as soon as it expires.Distortion - every time it's up, right after Vacuum ChamberDissolve - looking at my parses, this spell has a higher avg dmg then Encase and FoV.  I'm assuming it's due to it's ability to crit higher.Encase/Flames of Velious - Encase is the better of the two, but I only cast these if everything else is on cooldown.</p><p>Static Discharge - Getting the "No target's in range" error?  Make a macro out of it!  Add a command line with /autoattack 1.  This will cause your character to auto-face your target.</p><p>Hope this helps.  I've probably left something out, but hey, it's 8am here and I'm doing this without being able to look in-game cause the servers are down.  Enjoy!</p>

[Formerly Bbert]

yeah you don't suck, my dps is worse then yours by far (I try to tell myself it's all because I'm in the MA group to give agro to the pally)Thank you Thaddeus, I'll be checking out your spell rotation very soon.

[BetaMaster]

<p>Very nice post Thad.</p><p>There's definately something to be said about what they did for acid with RoK.  It pops higher on efficiency charts than t7 by far.</p><p>My personal suggestion that I'd like to add to what you've said is in the case of mobs that die in under 50seconds.I like my opening cast order to run all my faster reuse casts with high efficiency before I do armageddon.</p><p>I chain cast/cancel NetherRealm until I see my tank motioning to pull mob (any hostile nox will trigger this... so anyone in the raid can get this ticking... long as someone casts nox on it within first 5 sec after you cast it you will not lose the first tick of it.)Then I cast Acid Storm while mob is still running in because it is a longer cast time, will not die to any aoes and will start ticking away at the mob allowing for some nice overtime damage (not enough to pull any major aggro).Next is Vacuum Field... I know some people who don't use this spell at all but I think that's a mistake.  It will boost the dmg of all other spells nicely and is a good addition.Gift of Bertox next because the quicker casts come next.AuraAcidVacuum ChamberDistortionFlames of Velious (master version... makes it nice)Then I'll pop in the freehanded apoc (I have yet to see the dissolve thing you're talkn about... i'll be testing that tonight and i'm sure i'll be adding that to a higher spot in rotation if it proves to be better.</p><p>That's all for now... instance time... need more spells.</p><p>as for dps tho... highest single target was 4100dps w/ fury troub necro warlock(me) wizard illu and the wiz had the TC not me.</p>

[ThadeusOfShibboleth]

It was pointed out to me last night that I had left out Aura and Gift, so I went back and put them in where I use them.  I have also been flip-flopping Vacuum Distortion in my rotation to see which nets higher dps but it's seems to be very similar.  I'm going with Distortion before Vacuum Chamber for a while to see what happens.  I'm thinking because it's pretty equal, I would get more out of casting Distortion first when J-Cap is on without sacrificing much, if any, dps when I don't have J-Cap.

[Bingeaux]

<p>Would someone please comment on the following habit of mine, which I did not see covered in any of the cast-order posts:</p><p> I'm a fan of Cataclysm -- even on single target mobs.  I know it is not particulary mana-efficient in such cases, but it is quick casting, and wears off in exactly its recovery time (unlike Vacuum Chamber), and I just keep it ticking.  In cases where mana is not going to be a problem for one reason or another, am I losing dps by devoting time to this (at the expense of something else) for single target mobs?</p><p>Thanks</p>

[Xedex]

<p>continue your dots always, cast them as soon as they are up. Armageddon i tend to cast towards the beginning.</p><p>Str/Int Debuff</p><p>Broodlings(if no AE)</p><p>Acid</p><p>Vacuum Chamber</p><p>Focused, Freehand Sorc, Armageddon</p><p>Acid Storm</p><p>Aura of Void </p><p>Acid</p><p>Vacuum Chamber</p><p>then i go with single target spells like Distortion, Encase, Dissolve, Flames of Velious and continue to keep my dots running at all times. TBH i hardly ever use Netherrealm or Gift of Bertox unless its on a major AE fight. Other than that i rarely seen any difference with my DPS with and without those. I can hit 3k+ single and 5-6k+ (gotten 10k a couple times) on AE's. Obviously my AE rotation is different than the one posted above but thats for single target. Also what is your AA spec and group setup? and gear can play a role too.</p>

[knightofround]

Don't waste your cast time on the str/int debuff.My cast order on the pull:1. Acid Storm2. Broodlings (unless mob AEs, then wait for AE to fire before casting)3. AE noxious debuff4. Netherrealm5. Gift6. Focused casting / Dark Envy2+ linked mobs1. Freehand+Apoc2. Quick blue AE3. Big green AE4. As many deaggros as necessary5. Big blue AE6. Quick blue AE7. Stun green AE8. Distortion9. Big green AE2+ unlinked mobs:1. Freehand+Big blue AE2. Quick blue AE3. As many deaggros as necessary4. Apoc5. Distortion6. Quick blue AE7. Quick nuke8. Flames9. Stun nukeSingle mobs:1. Freehand+Apoc2. Long dot3. Quick dot4. Aura5. Distortion6. Flames7. Quick nuke8. Long dot9. Quick dot10. Stun nuke11. Quick nukeOn AE fights I will usually alternate the appropiate AE cast order with the single-target cast order, to make optimal use of all recast timers. In between swaping between the two orders I'll check to see if any of my precast stuff has popped back up, and if so I'll squeeze them out before the next cycle. Once I'm in a cycle I stick to it, although of course Jester's Cap throws the entire spell order out the window.But to summarize, on multiple targets I try to keep the quick blue and big green AEs cooking at all times. And on single targets I first try to keep both dots up at all times, and then punch out as many quick nukes as possible, slipping in the big nukes inbetween the quick nuke cooking.

[Xilaz]

<cite>Xedex wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>continue your dots always, cast them as soon as they are up. Armageddon i tend to cast towards the beginning.</p><p>Str/Int Debuff</p><p>Broodlings(if no AE)</p><p>Acid</p><p>Vacuum Chamber</p><p>Focused, Freehand Sorc, Armageddon</p><p>Acid Storm</p><p>Aura of Void </p><p>Acid</p><p>Vacuum Chamber</p><p>then i go with single target spells like Distortion, Encase, Dissolve, Flames of Velious and continue to keep my dots running at all times. TBH i hardly ever use Netherrealm or Gift of Bertox unless its on a major AE fight. Other than that i rarely seen any difference with my DPS with and without those. I can hit 3k+ single and 5-6k+ (gotten 10k a couple times) on AE's. Obviously my AE rotation is different than the one posted above but thats for single target. Also what is your AA spec and group setup? and gear can play a role too.</p></blockquote>Xede,So how does your encounter casting order vary from the above.  I only ask because in my guild unless the Illu casts Synergism on me I tend to pull aggro very quickly. I've been going with something similar to Thadd's.FocusedAcid StormVacuum FieldGiftAuraAcidVacuum ChamberCatalyst + Armageddon(usually I have to Nullify and Concussive or die)FH + AbsolutionCataclysmetc.I usually die right after Armageddon or after Absolution.  Of course this was without TC or Synergism on myself.  Any advice anyone or Xede can provide?  Thanks.

[Xedex]

<cite>Cigaro@Butcherblock wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Xedex wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>continue your dots always, cast them as soon as they are up. Armageddon i tend to cast towards the beginning.</p><p>Str/Int Debuff</p><p>Broodlings(if no AE)</p><p>Acid</p><p>Vacuum Chamber</p><p>Focused, Freehand Sorc, Armageddon</p><p>Acid Storm</p><p>Aura of Void </p><p>Acid</p><p>Vacuum Chamber</p><p>then i go with single target spells like Distortion, Encase, Dissolve, Flames of Velious and continue to keep my dots running at all times. TBH i hardly ever use Netherrealm or Gift of Bertox unless its on a major AE fight. Other than that i rarely seen any difference with my DPS with and without those. I can hit 3k+ single and 5-6k+ (gotten 10k a couple times) on AE's. Obviously my AE rotation is different than the one posted above but thats for single target. Also what is your AA spec and group setup? and gear can play a role too.</p></blockquote>Xede,So how does your encounter casting order vary from the above.  I only ask because in my guild unless the Illu casts Synergism on me I tend to pull aggro very quickly. I've been going with something similar to Thadd's.FocusedAcid StormVacuum FieldGiftAuraAcidVacuum ChamberCatalyst + Armageddon(usually I have to Nullify and Concussive or die)FH + AbsolutionCataclysmetc.I usually die right after Armageddon or after Absolution.  Of course this was without TC or Synergism on myself.  Any advice anyone or Xede can provide?  Thanks.</blockquote><p>depends on the encounter honestly. If its one where i know i wont die or can burn all the adds down minus the main epic i cast netherrealm, gift of bertox right on pull....focused casting, FHS, Upheaval, acid storm, armageddon, concussive, absolution, radiation, nullify, cataclysm null caress, static discharge and continue from there...usually adds will be dead by then. Yah i do die alot as it is anyways but i tend to also have coercer deaggro as well which total i get -60% hate gain due to the coercer deaggro which is raid wide and the troub deaggro along with synergism if the illusionist decides to show up. Also i tend to throw on acid or vacuum chamber in between AE recasts so im always doing some sort of damage and until they fix broodlings i wont be throwing that in the mix til its fixed.</p><p>  </p><p>and whoever said dont waste time with str/int debuff you are wrong becaust str/int helps with how hard mobs hit whether its magical damage or melee damage. Plus if you use spells that use nil crystals you will need them anyways. Now keep in mind i use it on named fights more than trash mobs.</p>

[Xilaz]

Thanks for the reply (I didn't want to keep quoting and making it unreadable).