Anaphylaxis... you forgot some classes

[Bewts]

<p><span style="font-size: small;">Anaphylaxis: Now offers scouts an item more suited to their class.</span></p><p>You must have<b><i><u> forgotten</u></i></b> about the <span style="color: #ff0000;"><b><i><u>brawler class</u></i></b> </span>as well in this change.  We don't need another priest 2hb weapon to choose from.  We have had enough of those quest rewards for the first 7-8 levels of this expansion that we don't need another one by the time we can complete this quest.</p><p>With all the changes in this GU... I'd like to say Merry fudging Christmas... Enjoy the nerfbats SoE got for us.  /scroogeface on</p>

[Cusashorn]

Agreed.Dear SoE: LISTEN TO YOUR PLAYERBASE. We know what is best for this game!

[Kaleyen]

They didn't forget about Brawlers...didn't you see the nerf to FD and Drag? 

[EomerFarst]

Welcome to the nerf club.  Rangers to the right and Brawlers to the left <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[russkyj]

<p>Fyreflyte said:</p><p>Regretfully, I can't one at this point. Adding new rewards to existing quests is very problematic (as we saw when the rogue dagger was added in to this quest). </p><p>To paraphrase what he said its "<b>adding additional rewards to quests is hard and I dont want to do it for just anyone, well ok just for scouts.  brawlers are not an important part of our player base anyway</b>"</p><p> LU41 looks to be a royal screwing of the brawler class yet again, thank you Sony for the consistancy, would hate for you to change your toon now. /sarcasm off</p><p>Uryuk</p>

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;"><i>They didn't forget about us, <u>they are actively trying to get rid of the Brawler classes as a PC class.</u> They don't want us to raid, group nor solo.This may sound like paranoia, and it likely is, but I have yet to see one developer to deny the charge or even work with us to make it better. We don't want to be uber, we just want to be useful.</i><b>Sorry had to get that out of my system</b>,<u><b> back on topic</b></u>. I mate for the Knuckleduster would be nice or a good looking 2hb staff, possibly even real ulaks (without the weird looking guards over the handles)</span>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;"><i>They didn't forget about us, <u>they are actively trying to get rid of the Brawler classes as a PC class.</u> They don't want us to raid, group nor solo.This may sound like paranoia, and it likely is, but I have yet to see one developer to deny the charge or even work with us to make it better. We don't want to be uber, we just want to be useful.</i><b>Sorry had to get that out of my system</b>,<u><b> back on topic</b></u>. I mate for the Knuckleduster would be nice or a good looking 2hb staff, possibly even real ulaks (without the weird looking guards over the handles)</span></blockquote>That's what the Ulaks look like though. It's the only model in the game. you can buy one from a faction merchant in Teren's Grasp.

[silentpsycho]

<cite>EomerFarstar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Welcome to the nerf club.  Rangers to the right and Brawlers to the left <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Don't even [Removed for Content] put rangers in the same sentance with brawlers when you talk about nerfs.  [Removed for Content].

[Arathy]

Exactly..We've been steadily taking up the rear end since LU24.

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">Naw the Ulaks from EQ 1 didn't have those salad bowl guards.</span>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">Naw the Ulaks from EQ 1 didn't have those salad bowl guards.</span></blockquote>I know that, but you'll just have to accept having them on in this game.

[Zabjade]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">Naw the Ulaks from EQ 1 didn't have those salad bowl guards.</span></blockquote>I know that, but you'll just have to accept having them on in this game.</blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">That's only if Monks are allowed to play the game much longer. Sorry just getting depressed. BTW which faction merchant?</span>

[Killerbee3000]

<span style="font-size: xx-small;">turn all brawlers into bards during a downtime.. then after a day turn them back into brawlers and they will discover a complete new level of love for their class.... </span><span style="font-size: small;">If it would only be anaphylaxis that lacks a brawler item..... then it would be acceptable, but, most leather gear is tailored towards healers, brawlers have to see plate tanks running around with more avoidance than them, the existing brawler items often add the not really needed haste instead of something else and so on</span><span style="font-size: small;"><img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></span>

[JackAll]

<p>As an enchanter I also have a problem with the reward of this quest.</p><p>Our str AA tree prevents the use of 2handed weapons...</p>

[Supp]

They forgot about brawlers? Say it isnt so.

[Sorffats]

<p>Yeah, like I'm gonna use the 2h reward option at the end of Anaphylaxis.  Alot of love to the scouts...right on par.</p>

[Siatfallen]

I'm not going to complete the Anaphylaxis quest in its current form simply because I want to save the possible AA reward from the quest. For me as a monk, that is absolutely all it is good for now.Fireflyte hinted he might have dropped an additional brawler weapon in the game as a quest reward, but... I've yet to see it if he actually did introduce the weapon. Hints would be very appreciated.As for the state of the brawler community, I'm beginning to hear the theory concerning the elimination of the class on a daily basis, from different brawlers. Some kind of dev response on the direction of the brawlers would be nice - y'know, about two expansions late, but at least it might rid us of some of the conspiration theories. Oh, there's that word again. Might.Alternately, do something about this.

[Junaru]

<cite>Siatfallen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm not going to complete the Anaphylaxis quest in its current form simply because I want to save the possible AA reward from the quest. For me as a monk, that is absolutely all it is good for now.Fireflyte hinted he might have dropped an additional brawler weapon in the game as a quest reward, but... I've yet to see it if he actually did introduce the weapon. Hints would be very appreciated.As for the state of the brawler community, I'm beginning to hear the theory concerning the elimination of the class on a daily basis, from different brawlers. Some kind of dev response on the direction of the brawlers would be nice - y'know, about two expansions late, but at least it might rid us of some of the conspiration theories. Oh, there's that word again. Might.Alternately, do something about this.</blockquote>I doubt SOE will just remove two classes from the game. But if they do I'll have more time for CoD4 since I wont be playing EQ2 anymore. As for the Anaphylaxis Quest. Well I wont be finishing it till SOE puts in a Brawler weapon. I don't need the Exp or AA exp that bad. And my luck the minute I finished the quest SOE will add a Brawler weapon but wont let you change your current reward.

[jrolla777]

If they just made the 'spine of xxx' (the 2hand slasher) crushing, all the existing classes that can use t would be able to, and brawlers could too. brawlers would stop crying b/c we could actually get a decent reward (the Karnor's castle legendary reward is [Removed for Content] poor btw). so make the sword to crushing please, come on, thats not so hard is it?

[Ganeden]

Please please please let brawlers get a good reward from this quest! All of the other archtypes have been getting good quest rewards throughout kunark and yet there's nothing for brawlers. I DON'T WANT TO WEAR HEALER EQUIPMENT. The people who make these items are super lazy and someone should be fired. Instead of making a brawler reward on most quests, they just tack on "monk, bruiser/all fighters" to the peice of leather healer's equipment as if just by adding these words it somehow makes this crappy equipment suitable for brawlersPlease give us a decent reward for this quest, why do brawlers continually get the shaft?

[Themaginator]

<cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Zabjade wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">Naw the Ulaks from EQ 1 didn't have those salad bowl guards.</span></blockquote>I know that, but you'll just have to accept having them on in this game.</blockquote><span style="color: #00cc00;">That's only if Monks are allowed to play the game much longer. Sorry just getting depressed. BTW which faction merchant?</span></blockquote>Wow brawlers are really emo lol, its ok though the Devs really really do need to look at brawlers.I really do enjoy having a brawler in a group with me ( i have one and i have a RL friend who plays one with me)  i think you bring good dps and buffs and can also tank if needed but i guess i can agree that you guys can use a bit of a buff

[Gareorn]

<cite>Fyste@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>EomerFarstar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Welcome to the nerf club.  Rangers to the right and Brawlers to the left <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote>Don't even [I cannot control my vocabulary] put rangers in the same sentance with brawlers when you talk about nerfs.  [I cannot control my vocabulary].</blockquote>True.  Brawlers are rookies compared to Rangers when it comes to getting hit with the nerfbat.  Maybe they'll catch up in the next 40 or so updates.  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Junaru]

<cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Fyste@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>EomerFarstar wrote:</cite><blockquote>Welcome to the nerf club.  Rangers to the right and Brawlers to the left <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote>Don't even [I cannot control my vocabulary] put rangers in the same sentance with brawlers when you talk about nerfs.  [I cannot control my vocabulary].</blockquote>True.  Brawlers are rookies compared to Rangers when it comes to getting hit with the nerfbat.  Maybe they'll catch up in the next 40 or so updates.  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>The difference there is at least the Rengers were once the cream of the crop and nerfed down to nothing. Brawlers were weak and still getting nerfed.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[mattmandude]

Yeah, the difference between rangers and brawlers... I've been playing my monk as my main since early '06, and they had most of the same problems then as they do now.

[x0rtrun]

So fyreflyte said he was going to add another weapon somewhere that would be equivalent to an Anaphylaxis weapon. What is this weapon, and where may I obtain it?

[smokedout]

SoE really gave Brawlers the Shaft on this one...  and yes brawlers get hosed on gear with roK. but a few other class's got screwed too

[Rast]

Brawlers aren't the only one who doesn't get a useful reward out of this.  They put in this awesome 1 handed sword and it is scouts, guardian, zerker only...  The only choice for me is a 2 handed sword I'd likely never use since I'm a sword and board tank.

[Xanrn]

<p>No thats your fault for being picky. You can use the 2 hander, you can benefit from the 2 hander. All the Crusaders I know want or have it.</p><p>We can't benefit from the staff because the stats are for mages and the proc procs on hostile spells.</p><p>We can't benefit from the mace because the stats are for healers and the proc procs on healing spells.</p><p>You can also use the Mace and get a helluva alot more use out of it than Brawlers, you use Wis and Int and you cast healing spells.</p>

[Urgol]

The healers' reward is also a pile of junk. Not nearly as good as EVEN the peacock club quest reward (which is THREE expansions old now and i;m still using it till i'm gonna get the TTR hammer)

[Junaru]

<cite>Urgol wrote:</cite><blockquote>The healers' reward is also a pile of junk. Not nearly as good as EVEN the peacock club quest reward (which is THREE expansions old now and i;m still using it till i'm gonna get the TTR hammer) </blockquote>Thats not the point. You at least get a reward build for your class (good or bad) but Brawlers don't.

[Hellswrath]

<cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody"><p><b>QUESTS</b></p><ul><li>Quiyn now has a quest reward option for brawlers at the end of "Anaphylaxis". Brawlers that have done the quest previously can speak to Quiyn about a one time offer of buying the Venomous Chitin Bo for 30 gold.</li></ul></span></blockquote>Grats to brawlers on getting their anaphylaxis reward!

[x0rtrun]

<cite>Hellswrath@Blackburrow wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Gnobrin wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody"><p><b>QUESTS</b></p><ul><li>Quiyn now has a quest reward option for brawlers at the end of "Anaphylaxis". Brawlers that have done the quest previously can speak to Quiyn about a one time offer of buying the Venomous Chitin Bo for 30 gold.</li></ul></span></blockquote>Grats to brawlers on getting their anaphylaxis reward!</blockquote>Anyone have some stats on the Venemous Chitin Bo? It sounds like a 2hander... and unless they decided to buck the trend and make a 2hander that isn't [Removed for Content] is it really better than no reward at all?

[Streocoafod]

<span class="postbody">+40 STR+35 AGI+35 STA+15 WIS+80 INT10% crit rate  There's the stats, at least those are the ones from the brawler board.</span>

[Junaru]

<cite>killadude wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody">+40 STR+35 AGI+35 STA+15 WIS+80 INT10% crit rate  There's the stats, at least those are the ones from the brawler board.</span></blockquote> 80INT? [Removed for Content].

[PaganSaint]

<cite>killadude wrote:</cite><blockquote><span class="postbody">+40 STR+35 AGI+35 STA+15 WIS+80 INT10% crit rate  There's the stats, at least those are the ones from the brawler board.</span></blockquote>People making crap up ftl.How about some real stats and the damage spread and the delay please.

[Urgol]

omg lol put those str sta int into your 4ss. The only thing that matters about melee weapons is the spread and delay.

[two0fus]

So not like finding the right grp to finish this quest isnt enough those of us who already finished it have to pay? [Removed for Content]...thank you sir may i have another?

[Jindrack]

<cite>Amissa@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>So not like finding the right grp to finish this quest isnt enough those of us who already finished it have to pay? [Removed for Content]...thank you sir may i have another?</blockquote>Question, what did you do with the quest reward you couldn't use?  If the answer is "sold it" then there is the money to pay for the Venomous Chitin Bo right there and you break even.  If you transmuted it or sacrificed it then you got something out of the reward and it wouldn't be fair to give you the Bo for free while others didn't get the same benefit as a weapon plus deity faction/transmuting parts.

[KBern]

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amissa@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>So not like finding the right grp to finish this quest isnt enough those of us who already finished it have to pay? [Removed for Content]...thank you sir may i have another?</blockquote>Question, what did you do with the quest reward you couldn't use?  If the answer is "sold it" then there is the money to pay for the Venomous Chitin Bo right there and you break even.  If you transmuted it or sacrificed it then you got something out of the reward and it wouldn't be fair to give you the Bo for free while others didn't get the same benefit as a weapon plus deity faction/transmuting parts.</blockquote>Makes sense.  I was about to whine because I figured we would have to trade in our old choice for the new one AND pay 30gp.

[Lindar Phamoncry]

<cite>Estal@Runnyeye wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="font-size: xx-small;">turn all brawlers into bards during a downtime.. then after a day turn them back into brawlers and they will discover a complete new level of love for their class.... </span></blockquote>cant stop cracking up on that one! lolmostly because I cant help but think its true... look at all the bards and see how many have brawler alts, you'll be amazed.Agreed though that there should be a brawler reward on this one... but its not like the devs go out of their way to pick on brawlers. Everyone gets nerfed in the end... ok well cept maybe necros lol

[Wytie]

<cite>Jindrack wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amissa@Everfrost wrote:</cite><blockquote>So not like finding the right grp to finish this quest isnt enough those of us who already finished it have to pay? [Removed for Content]...thank you sir may i have another?</blockquote>Question, what did you do with the quest reward you couldn't use?  If the answer is "sold it" then there is the money to pay for the Venomous Chitin Bo right there and you break even.  If you transmuted it or sacrificed it then you got something out of the reward and it wouldn't be fair to give you the Bo for free while others didn't get the same benefit as a weapon plus deity faction/transmuting parts.</blockquote>Maybe he feels that sense Brawlers had to wait longer than all the other classes it was only fair whatever gold or transmutable that they got was fair sense they had to wait for theres and most everone else didnt and had long been using the weapon.... So what exactly is fair? Fairness is a perspective.

[Zarvax]

<cite>Gareorn wrote:</cite> <blockquote><cite><a href="mailto:Fyste@Nagafen" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Fyste@Nagafen</a> wrote:</cite> <p><cite></cite>True.  Brawlers are rookies compared to Rangers when it comes to getting hit with the nerfbat.  Maybe they'll catch up in the next 40 or so updates.  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/ed515dbff23a0ee3241dcc0a601c9ed6.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>Pfft, I've been playing this game since November '04... I will have you know that brawlers were the first class to be nerfed in <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=252875" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Live Update 1</a> they added the skill deflection to the game and took away the ability for brawlers to use shields, it was, and is still, the main reason that brawlers have so many problems.</p><p><i>- Removed the ability for bralwers, monks, and bruisers to equip shields.- Increased brawler Deflection to provide the equivalent of always having a buckler equipped.- Increased monk and bruiser Deflection to provide the equivalent of always having a round shield equipped.</i></p><p>but it has never, ever, worked that way... (why isn't our deflection uncontested like it would be if I was using a round shield?)</p>

[PaganSaint]

<cite>Hamoto@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>(why isn't our deflection uncontested like it would be if I was using a round shield?)</blockquote>It is. Actually, it is slightly better. Look at your defensive stances.

[Novusod]

<cite>PaganSaint wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hamoto@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>(why isn't our deflection uncontested like it would be if I was using a round shield?)</blockquote>It is. Actually, it is slightly better. Look at your defensive stances.</blockquote>From what I have seen deflection is subject to a declining return curve while round shields are not. At level 40 it is better but at level 80 I would rather have the round shield.

[StaticLex]

<p><i>Wow brawlers are really emo lol</i></p><p>lol  Owned.</p>

[PaganSaint]

<cite>Novusod wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>PaganSaint wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Hamoto@Antonia Bayle wrote:</cite><blockquote>(why isn't our deflection uncontested like it would be if I was using a round shield?)</blockquote>It is. Actually, it is slightly better. Look at your defensive stances.</blockquote>From what I have seen deflection is subject to a declining return curve while round shields are not. At level 40 it is better but at level 80 I would rather have the round shield.</blockquote>It is, outside of what the stances give you on a percentage basis. That amount of your deflection is uncontested, unaltered, it is that percentage amount of avoidance. The same as equipping a shield.That should not be a subject on this thread and I just wanted to correct an inaccuracy, my apologies for de-railing slightly.As for the people bashing on brawlers as a whole, yes many of them are emo cry babies. But when you are crapped on for two years with terrible itemization and AA choices when the game DOES turn around and provide great itemization and the AA situation is coming together the attitude for most of those cry babies stays.Excuse and ignore those people and look at the actual situations being complained about, some won't makes sense, but the majority, like not including a weapon in the mix of a quest that gave a top end legendary to every other class, are legitimate complaints.

[Zabjade]

<span style="color: #00cc00;">Personally I have no problem with a two hander the delay lets out combat arts get through and less likely to suffer death by riposte. My main complaints are that nameds hit right through avoidance like it isn't there not so bad for a plate class with mitigation but for a leather wearer deadly.The other is the strength line which while nice for role players (although if you ask me fistwraps look the same and give needed stats) does nothing for most Brawlers.</span>

[PaganSaint]

Since the CSRs or GMs or Dev's, whatever, don't allow the players to transfer toons over to test because of some weird notion that it should have a real economy...Can a Dev, GM or Mod post a Pic of the Venomous Chitin Bo?The test server is dead, the "test players" don't know what is going on when you sit there and patiently await the very few high level players, and no one has had any information on the item.Hell, with test being completely useless it would be nice to atleast get an idea of what could be broken, over or under powered before it is released.

[x0rtrun]

<cite>PaganSaint wrote:</cite><blockquote>Since the CSRs or GMs or Dev's, whatever, don't allow the players to transfer toons over to test because of some weird notion that it should have a real economy...Can a Dev, GM or Mod post a Pic of the Venomous Chitin Bo?The test server is dead, the "test players" don't know what is going on when you sit there and patiently await the very few high level players, and no one has had any information on the item.Hell, with test being completely useless it would be nice to atleast get an idea of what could be broken, over or under powered before it is released.</blockquote>I really couldn't agree more. The current test server setup is a joke. Before each update they should allow open copies to a temporary test server where people could buff to any level and get various tiers of gear and adepts and actually test out the changes going in. Even if half the people that tried it out just goofed around there would be a lot more people actually testing the content then there is on the current test server.Anyway... there has GOT to be at least one monk on test that could check into this... right?

[KBern]

<cite>x0rtrunks wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>PaganSaint wrote:</cite><blockquote>Since the CSRs or GMs or Dev's, whatever, don't allow the players to transfer toons over to test because of some weird notion that it should have a real economy...Can a Dev, GM or Mod post a Pic of the Venomous Chitin Bo?The test server is dead, the "test players" don't know what is going on when you sit there and patiently await the very few high level players, and no one has had any information on the item.Hell, with test being completely useless it would be nice to atleast get an idea of what could be broken, over or under powered before it is released.</blockquote>I really couldn't agree more. The current test server setup is a joke. Before each update they should allow open copies to a temporary test server where people could buff to any level and get various tiers of gear and adepts and actually test out the changes going in. Even if half the people that tried it out just goofed around there would be a lot more people actually testing the content then there is on the current test server.Anyway... there has GOT to be at least one monk on test that could check into this... right?</blockquote><p>OMG you criticized the test server!!1!!!</p><p>Just wait...now you will have the martyr tester personality flame you for being selfish and not playing on test as opposed to a live server!</p><p>How dare you!</p><p><img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e8a506dc4ad763aca51bec4ca7dc8560.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="35" height="32" /></p>

[jrolla777]

A dev posted a picture of the scout/warrior reward before they put it in game. Can a dev do the same for us brawlers?

[PaganSaint]

Since there was no mention of the Anaphylaxis reward for brawlers being added in this LU in the LU notes posted by gnorbin did the reward make it into this LU and was missed for the LU notes or was it scrapped?It had better have been just an overlook in the notes.

[two0fus]

<p>Never said i muted or sold it</p>

[Novusod]

I will post a screen shot as soon as I get in the game.

[Novusod]

There you have it:<img src="http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e38/Novuso/EverQuest/ChittinBo.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

[Morrolan V]

<p>It's insulting, really, that SoE thinks this is a top end legendary brawler weapon.</p><p>This is supposed to compare to a scout one hander with a 90DR?</p><p>Better to have left it at no reward, honestly.</p>

[PaganSaint]

It is very monk slanted due to delay, but it is actually a pretty decent weapon for monks without a t8 raid 2h.

[x0rtrun]

Nice spread at least. Looking forward to seeing how it parses against some nice DW weps. I'm already using a Deklium battering cudgel and the star of mornings glory which have 4 sec delays and nice spreads of their own. Plus much more than just 2 crit...

[Junaru]

<cite>PaganSaint wrote:</cite><blockquote>It is very monk slanted due to delay, but it is actually a pretty decent weapon for monks without a t8 raid 2h.</blockquote><cite>x0rtrunks wrote:</cite><blockquote>Nice spread at least. Looking forward to seeing how it parses against some nice DW weps. I'm already using a Deklium battering cudgel and the star of mornings glory which have 4 sec delays and nice spreads of their own. Plus much more than just 2 crit...</blockquote>Personally I don't like it one bit. I DW Soulfire Kama and RG. The difference between those two and this is around 700dps to 900dps.I was in maidens lastnight and parsing around 2200dps. I put this on and was around 1200dps to 1400dps. My crushing skill is maxed so it wasn't that. And my STR was 910. The delay after haste was 3.3s which I was able to 4 CA's between. Max hit I got was 3700 but most were around 2000 to 2400.I just don't like the weapon myself.

[PaganSaint]

How are you only getting it down to 3.3? I'm self buffing it down to 2.9 at the moment. Did you betray to bruiser?

[KBern]

<p>The thing I hate about 2 handers is the cut you have to take in stats, adorns, and item effects than when you dual wield.</p><p>I dislike this and probably will buy it just to have for my bruiser, but I doubt I will use it much.</p>