Undergrowth vs Bracken

[Skivley101]

<p>So i havent gone and got the new expansion yet ... I noticed they took away all my master choices , im waiting to pick them till i get the expansion.</p><p>I never even got the app1 of bracken, i just picked the master 2 when it was available.</p><p>So I threw undergrowth adept3 on my hot bar ... I must say I am rooting them just as good as before ....havent had a resist yet , tested on lvl 69 Warg^^^ ....he stuck ...</p><p>Of course all the stats are lower(who gives a crap about that stupid agi debuff) snare is lower , and the root time is lower by about 10 sec ...but oh well , im rooting lvl 69 with a lvl 47 spell ... of course my Ordination is 406 , might have somthin to do with it?</p>

[Ferunnia]

Rooting and snaring should be subjugation, just an fyi.

[Arielle Nightshade]

^^^Printing this and taping it to my monitor...because I can never remember which is which.  TY <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Prrasha]

<cite>Ferunnia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Rooting and snaring should be subjugation, just an fyi.</blockquote>"Should be", but aren't, for Wardens.  Our one-man snare and one-man root are Subj, but our group root is Ordination.  Go figure.

[Skivley101]

so can i get some other people input/testing on the use of under growth ? plz post mob lvl and ordination skill...

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>I have scribable spell roots in M1 from T7, and haven't yet gotten the upgrades (I'm level 74..I know..slow ..<img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> ).  I have both roots maxed in AAs (but not snare, which I don't use very often).    My ordination and subjugation are maxed - on purpose out of habit from the pvp server where you want roots to stick w/o breaking ..big time.</p><p>Using the patented 'Seems Like (tm)' Method (do not try this at home)..I find that if I single target root, then group root (even a single target) and refresh as necessary, the mob is glued where I rooted them the entire fight - including even con or higher leveled mobs.   T7 dogs were dying in 1-Shot fashion to even level 68 mobs in the new expansion if they were cast while that mob was rooted, since they were the primary target of the now really mad mob..not me.</p><p>With bigger, stronger more bitey dogs (lvl 72?), the roots still hold like glue, but casting dogs causes them to break.  The slow on break really comes in handy to allow recast time to re-root/recharm w/e.</p><p>Is this what you wanted? or do you want real numbers?  if so, you are outta luck, pal!</p>

[Skivley101]

<p>its close arie , look in your spell book , and dust off that old T5 group root(undergrowth) Try rooting some mobs in your range , see how well it sticks them, and take note of your ordination lvl. and tell us what rank the spell is and mob lvl.</p><p>I want to see how much the ordination lvl is effecting the root resist , and if the upgrades are really worth it , for rooting only , I know the snare and debuff go up with lvl and ranks, but those components really arent that important compared to how well you root them.</p><p>Oic you have the root enhancements , yes that is gona effect the test, but maybe thats another thing to consider, .... just thinking with boosting ordination, enhancing roots, you can use the lower tier for less pwr at pretty close to the same effect, as far as rooting. And the single root with lower tier and high subjugation would probly also work the same.</p><p>Im gona do some testing myself , with a respec, so my ordination isnt so high , Thanx in advance for any effort and info you people can tell me.<img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>I'm thinking I remember reading a dev post sort of on this subject.   I remember way back when it was completely possible to be ..say..level 45 using a level 20 spell because if you had it scribed in Master 1, it did more for less power.   I remember in may cases skipping an entire tier because there was no need to upgrade. </p><p>It's hazily in my memory of ancient EQ2 dev  history, that they posted that spell resistance was going to be predicated on the tier you were in.  Meaning that your level 20 spell just wouldn't work anymore as effectively against mobs in T7 no matter what the spell read.</p><p>Not sure how accurate that is - they also posted that Heroic Opportunities would change dramatically if you didn't use a current level spell to advance them.  I always have, and still do, advance HO's with the lowest level spell it's asking for in order to get maximum benefit from minimum power cost.   This is with no change in the quality of the end HO product - so the above statement about resistability and current tier also might have been discussed, but not enacted.</p>

[Skivley101]

<p>Okies , so i did some testing with the single roots , realized my question was awnserd in the description of the spell. They all have a 20 lvl cap where resistibilaty increases after 20 lvls above them.</p><p>The resistabily per rank is a constant within their range, adept1-12%,adept3-16%, master1-21% , harder to resist. Although we know that the skill lvl effects it getting resisted somewhat , There is no real way to find hard #'s on this , like how many pts above max cap equals a spell rank upgrade?</p><p>You all might ask what the heck does this matter , and what kind of glue is skivley sniffing?</p><p>It doesnt matter much except when your about to buy the next teir upgrade ... becuz</p><p>There is absolutely no difference in the resistability from 1 teir to the next with the same skill and rank , as long as the mob is within the 20 lvl cap. </p><p>For Example: You had the adept 3 of seizing vines , you just hit lvl 64 and trapping vines becomes available , unless you buy an adept3 of trapping vines , seizing vines will root them better within the 20 lvl range</p><p>But however you will notice the snare% & root duration increase with the higher tier .</p><p>This is merely my observation , and not to be accepted as the golden truth, If some one else has better info, or comes up with another observation, plz correct me.</p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

Yeah, I usually wonder what kind of glue you are sniffing.  Thanks for clarifying.

[Skivley101]

<cite>Arielle Nightshade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Yeah, I usually wonder what kind of glue you are sniffing.  Thanks for clarifying.</blockquote>lol, didnt see ya ninja posting me.