PVP Class rankings in reverse (worst to best)

[rvbarton]

<p>How about changing the theme?  Which classes are worst at PVP?</p><p>IMHO:</p><p>top 5 worst classes for PVP:</p><p>1.  Guardian</p><p>2.  Mystic</p><p>3.  Templar</p><p>4.  Troubadour</p><p>5.  <toss up here>...</p>

[Rattfa]

Dirge would be up there with Guardian. Probably Necros too.IMO Mystics, Templar well played with good AA spec are incredibly good in PvP..maybe gear dependant, im not sure...perhaps not the best but definately not the weakest.Troubadors are one of the better classes when played well.

[Evenstar]

<p>Top 5 worst are:</p><p>1. Guardian - has health, nothing else at all.2. Conjuror - has stoneskin, but that's pretty much it.3. Necromancer - Squishy, squishy and...squishy!!! Nothing special to save himself other than fear and lifetaps.4. Fury - WORST PvP ancient teachings. We get: Hibernation (useable in PvP), Back into the Fray (can't be cast on self), Ring of Fire (situational) and Call of Storms (are you joking? Who in their right mind would use that...?)5. Templar - heal them to death...yeah, I see that working <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. Can't kill templars...can't really get killed by MOST of them (exceptions exist of course).</p>

[Oneira]

<cite>rvbarton wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How about changing the theme?  Which classes are worst at PVP?</p><p>IMHO:</p><p>top 5 worst classes for PVP:</p><p>1.  Guardian</p><p>2.  Mystic</p><p>3.  Templar</p><p>4.  Troubadour</p><p>5.  <toss up here>...</p></blockquote>My main on Venekor is a guardian.  My main on Nagafen is a mystic.  What was I thinking??  ((PS I think mystics are a bit tougher than you think in pvp.  At least it's been that way for me so far up through t4.

[Omgidomms]

<p>I would put my necro on #1 spot :pIt not the worst pvp class, but it's the easiest class to kill(gank) fast.It's just to easy for way to many classes to kill before your able to cast a spell <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Amphibia]

1. Necro/conjuror (Just too squishy. Can't run away and can't evac. Just stun, snare or root them, and you got them. Token pinatas for everyone and their dogs too. Their pets can't even keep up with them when they run around. )2. Guardian (Can't kill anything. Can't really get away from anything either.)3. Defiler/Templar (These guys need a group all the time, or they'll never see even 1 piece of PvP gear.)4. Coercer/Illusionist (Way too squishy, can't get away from a gank ever. Better than summoners though, due to more control effects.)5. Dirge (Difficult to play, but also difficult to catch.)This list is based on solo PvP only. I've taken both survivability and ability to kill into account. In a fair 1 v 1, some of these classes do have a decent chance. But that's not how it usually works...

[Naglfar]

Pfff Guards are overpowered but fortunatly they're the only one to know this fact <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Omgidomms]

<cite>Naglfar@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Pfff Guards are overpowered but fortunatly they're the only one to know this fact <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Atleast they have a good ability called "tanking" when they pvp in grps <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Omgidomms]

Solo pvp:#1 Necromancer#2 Conjurer#3 Guardian#4 Templar, DefilerGroup pvp:#1 Necromancer#2 Conjurer#3 Hm, i'm lost.. Healers are all needed for group pvp and most bards got good abilities like charm and some ok dps.Maybe Dirge, Mystic and a melee ranger? :pEdit: Just talked with a friend of mine and he either can't find the #3 worst pvp class after summoners in group pvp. this is bad <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bozidar]

<p>1. Whichever toon <b>you</b> play </p><p>2. Whichever toon <i>you</i> play </p><p>3. Whichever toon <u>you</u> play </p><p>4. Whichever toon <span style="color: #33ff00;">you </span>play </p><p>5. Whichever toon <span style="font-size: xx-small;">you</span> play </p>

[Omgidomms]

<cite>Bozidar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>1. Whichever toon <b>you</b> play </p><p>2. Whichever toon <i>you</i> play </p><p>3. Whichever toon <u>you</u> play </p><p>4. Whichever toon <span style="color: #33ff00;">you </span>play </p><p>5. Whichever toon <span style="font-size: xx-small;">you</span> play </p></blockquote><p>That is not true! Troubs are good in group pvp <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />Still better than guardians in solo pvp, but far from best!</p><p>The toon you play is around 7-12, sorry no #1 on you <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[treyy]

<p>Troubadors are amazing in pvp, ive seen one kill people 2v1 several times</p><p>Until there are cure mezz/charm pots, illusionists and coercers are by far one of the stronger pvp classes along with troub</p><p>Conjs if played correctly are good(not amazing) but can hold their own. They do need some help, but theyre far from the worst.</p><p>With the right Aa spec mystics can put out a decent amount of dps</p><p>Necros are in the top 5, Guardians are in the top 5, Dirges are in the top 5, Defilers are in the top 5(dont know how they compare to mystic dps), I guess templars since their dps is god awful</p>

[Omgidomms]

<cite>Lack@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Troubadors are amazing in pvp, ive seen one kill people 2v1 several times</p><p>Until there are cure mezz/charm pots, illusionists and coercers are by far one of the stronger pvp classes along with troub</p><p>Conjs if played correctly are good(not amazing) but can hold their own. They do need some help, but theyre far from the worst.</p><p>With the right Aa spec mystics can put out a decent amount of dps</p><p>Necros are in the top 5, Guardians are in the top 5, Dirges are in the top 5, Defilers are in the top 5(dont know how they compare to mystic dps), I guess templars since their dps is god awful</p></blockquote>I take it this is solo pvp right?Do you have a group pvp list?

[Amphibia]

<cite></cite>Nah, nm.

[Roald]

<cite>Evenstar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Top 5 worst are:</p><p>1. Guardian - has health, nothing else at all.2. Conjuror - has stoneskin, but that's pretty much it.3. Necromancer - Squishy, squishy and...squishy!!! Nothing special to save himself other than fear and lifetaps.4. Fury - WORST PvP ancient teachings. We get: Hibernation (useable in PvP), Back into the Fray (can't be cast on self), Ring of Fire (situational) and Call of Storms (are you joking? Who in their right mind would use that...?)5. Templar - heal them to death...yeah, I see that working <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" />. Can't kill templars...can't really get killed by MOST of them (exceptions exist of course).</p></blockquote><p>The fury thing is a joke right? Fury ancients are pretty great in PvP, maybe not for Solo pvp, but then again quite a few ancients are group based.</p><p>1) Guard</p><p>2) Necro</p><p>3) Conj</p><p>4) Zerker</p><p>5) Dirge</p>

[Notsovilepriest]

Mystics stink at group PvP, but are really good at 1 on 1 and 2 v 1's.

[soultracker]

<p>Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp</p><p>Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES</p><p>Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me.  now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive.</p><p>No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec????????</p><p>can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact.</p><p>So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times </p><p>PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer </p>

[Kinox]

Lets look at which classes have evac yes?  Wiz, warden, scouts, SK.If you cant heal youself in a one v one, you need to up your focus or carry some immunity signets/pots with you.  POTC was nerfed because furies were abusing it to go in, try to one shot someone, and then run away at 100% speed in combat when things didn't go their way.  Show me another class (besides those OP rangers) that can exscape a fight as easilly.  As far as i know, no class can escape a pvp fight except a brigand with safehouse, but that has limited range and the brig becomes immune to safehouse for a time and is still in combat after using it.You wear LEATHER which is pretty decent, god knows clothies would LOVE to wear leather.  If you dont have enough avoidance, you need to stack some more AGI jewlery or stuff with defense on it.Furies have the highest dps to healing ratio of all the healers if im not mistaken, with the possible exception of melee mystics.In summation:  You probably aren't playing your fury correctly if you are getting owned on a regular basis and you need to reconsider your gear/aa choices.One thing about potc though:  if you haven't otherwise engaged in combat, you should be able pop potc and get away.  If that is not the case due to SOE's lack of forseight, then i agree that it needs to be fixed.  PotC shouldn't stick you in combat if you have otherwise not engaged.

[toenukl]

<cite>soultracker wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp</p><p>Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES</p><p>Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me.  now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive.</p><p>No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec????????</p><p>can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact.</p><p>So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times </p><p>PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer </p></blockquote>As a t8 fury, I've gotta say we are for sure not in the bottom 5, but no where near in the top 5 either. In t2-5 I would say Fury is in the top 3 however.Serenity btw does help me out a ton against swashies and other melee classes, as well as potions. Also there is a bracelet you can get at 30k faction on PvP merchant that you can use even stifled/stunned that makes you immune to like everything. That being said, Swashies and Rangers kill me about 90% of the time still heh. Guess they are the Paper to my Rock.. or Scissors to my paper... or something...Back on Topic:Solo1. Necromancer2. Guardian3. Templar4. Conjurer5. DirgeGroup PvP I think is fairly balanced and every class can help out if they know what they are doing.

[Zaci]

<cite>soultracker wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp</p><p>Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES</p><p>Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me.  now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive.</p><p>No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec????????</p><p>can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact.</p><p>So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times </p><p>PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer </p></blockquote>rofl, piercing not slashing damageall the way baby. Cry more?

[Roald]

<cite>soultracker wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp</p><p>Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES</p><p>Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me.  now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive.</p><p>No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec????????</p><p>can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact.</p><p>So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times </p><p>PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer </p></blockquote><p>Firstly, how would a clothie take longer to kill than you? You have much higher mit, HEALS, and tend to have more HP.</p><p>Secondly, you should definately not be being killed that easily by any melee class. Do your emergencies have any cast time? Doesn't your INT AA line buff mean you are only rarely interrupted on your 1 second heal (unless you have a group beating on you of course)?</p><p>Thirdly, Wizards have evac. When you say mages do you realise there are 5 other classes in there without it?</p><p>Fourthly, blurred vision does not affect your ability to heal yourself, or decrease the time it takes for you to be killed by Burst DPS.</p><p>And last and not least, Furies don't suck, and why would you reroll to an even easier class if you were given the choice?</p>

[soultracker]

<cite>Zaci@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>soultracker wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Yes i have a fury and yes i have spent over 800plats on it and yes it has a full set of pvp armor and yes i got 3700 pvp kills (keep in mind that is the only toon i ever play) and YES YES it looks like the best toon for pvp</p><p>Would i of chosen a different toon had i known furys (SUCK) the answear is YES YES YES</p><p>Furys can't last more then 8 secs in combat vs ((ANY)) melee fighting class, and AGI ??????? [Removed for Content] a cloth armor class can survive longer then me.  now we get interrupted, stunt, stiffled, vision blruired ect ...ect.... and please don't give me that serenity BS, if you get stunt and didn't have the chance to cast it ...just dont fight and start thinking where to revive.</p><p>No evac ??? [Removed for Content] a plate armor and a chain armor class can and we can't???? why because someone actuly was dumb enough to beleive we can heal our selfs while taking 1000000 slashing per sec????????</p><p>can't use POC and honeste i don't care about running from a pvp fight unles its a group (in that case i don't wanna run it pointless [Removed for Content] ) WE NEED EVAC, why can't we have it???? what difference does it make ????..... mages do scouts do why not us, if some assasins rangers and others can kill me in about 6 seconds (this is not fiction) its an actual fact.</p><p>So please who ever says Soultracker is a overpowered fury just (Shut it) i only ever play that toon all the time and lots of times </p><p>PS: now you know why i'm still a slayer </p></blockquote>rofl, piercing not slashing damageall the way baby. Cry more?</blockquote><p>LOL i am not crying i am simply giving my opinion, you probably don't know anything about skill since you only nee to press on attack bottons, so i'll listen to the 2 players prior to you they got more important things to talk about <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />, nothing personal friend </p>

[Bloodfa]

Furies at the bottom?  No way.  Perhaps you need to read up on the class a bit, or change your playing style, because they take longer to kill than a clothie.  Unless the clothie has manashield up.  Then it's just longer to wait for it to either wear off or burn through.

[Psych]

<span class="postbody">"Until there are cure mezz/charm pots, illusionists and coercers are by far one of the stronger pvp classes along with troub"I played a dirge a bit and thot it rocked, not troub tho.Roll a coercer if you think they are strong. A coercer is about as strong as a necro with 2 stuns and a mez but minus the pet. Please PLEASE do not say charm is a good pvp skill as coercer charm takes as long to cast as it takes most classes to cast 3-6 spells/ca'sReally...its like this everyone thinks they get nerfed and gimped but the truth is everyone can see obviously who is stronger and who is weaker. Its simple. What class do you see most? Thats #1 strongest class.Which do you see least? Thats weakest! Congrats, your MATH has increased 1/5!Dont kid yourself its a pvp server most are gonna play what wins. Thats why 35% of the qeynosians I've seen are rangers, 45% are healers, and the last bit have been a mix of monks/mages. 1 swashy...1 illu...literally.</span>

[Little Helper]

Templars aren't THAT bad <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Gagla]

<cite>Little Helper wrote:</cite><blockquote>Templars aren't THAT bad <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Anyone who thinks templars are in the top 5 worst pvp classes has never seen a good one.

[toenukl]

<cite>Gaglaak@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Little Helper wrote:</cite><blockquote>Templars aren't THAT bad <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>Anyone who thinks templars are in the top 5 worst pvp classes has never seen a good one.</blockquote>Heh, I put them so low because I've literally only fought MAYBE 3 since pvp servers launched, and all 3 times they were super super easy for me. They couldn't heal as fast as I could damage...  Then again, in t7/8 all I ever find solo are Rangers and Swashies, so really hard to judge soloing PvP ability of classes. And my new policy on healer vs healer fights is to /bow and go my separate ways lol, no need for an hour long duel.

[kukubird]

Templars can be some of the best pvpers in game hands down. Regarding the original topic. Necro is by far thw absolute worst class in pvp.  Unless you mean if they somehow get a root off and can run away. LOL necro is the only class i know that has so little for pvp. and what little it does have, our attacks break it in less then 1 second. Add squishy and no burst dps and there you have it. Don't know what the devs were thinking.

[Kinox]

I just noticed that people want to put dirges in the bottom 5 buti submit to you that anything with track and evac is NOT the worst class to play in pvp.I originally played a necro for the frist year and a half of the nagafen server.  I know a thing or two about getting owned in pvp.I rolled a troubador for raiding purposes and discovered that even though its very low dps, its still quite good.  I have never played a dirge, but i know that the key to my success is being able to evac from unfair odds and track down a fair fight.  Yes, i occasionally roll a greenie or i kill someone who has a mob on them, but who among us hasn't?  I guess what im trying to say is, with the exception of summoners and maybe guardians every other class in this game has a fair shot at killing a decent amount ofpeople they come across.

[pseudocide]

<p>in other words,</p><p>the worst class = the class you play</p><p>the best class = every class you can't kill</p><p>the end</p>

[toenukl]

<cite>Kinox@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just noticed that people want to put dirges in the bottom 5 buti submit to you that anything with track and evac is NOT the worst class to play in pvp.</blockquote>I wasn't including tracking/evac into my evaluation. My bottom 5 were imo the worst at 1 on 1, both see it coming, fair even no ganking duels.

[zaltar]

Templars have all of the necessary tools to succeed but require a bit more work to play than easy mode classes.Anyone who thinks they are weak in pvp , isn`t familiar with the class.The reason this generalization exists is because high DPS does not come easily for them however , when playedto outlast their opponents they can gain the upper hand in the end and with a significant amount of aa they canincrease their overall DPS to be effective.FYI , Templar damage is increased in pvp to be more than their pve damage but they take a nerf on heals in pvp.I would say my Temp does better in pvp than any of my other alts based on survivability.The class that IMHO needs some attention in pvp is the summoner class , I almost feel pity every time I kill one .they are just to easy to kill in pvp.

[HerbertWalker]

<p>Track and evac are extremely important to consider in these rankings.</p><p>This thread is about overall pvp rank, of which "the fight itself" is actually a small part- say 25% of the consideration perhaps.</p><p>Ease in finding weak targets and escaping more powerful targets is 75% of what consititutes a great overall pvp class imo.</p>

[seistaan1]

<p>It appears to me that all the classes listed are not as good at SOLO pvp.  However all of them are an asset in group pvp.   Guard's are great at pulling agro, the group buffs from the bards make you virtually unbeatable, and conj and necro's add multiple benifits, from buffs, to multiple types of damage and too many things to name.  Not all classes are meant to stand alone.. some shine when passing the ball not hogging it.</p>

[Vydar]

Your list is very very inaccurate.Templars > most melee classesTroubadors who know [Removed for Content] they are doing > many many players periodEvery class except for summoners are the rock to someone's scissors.

[Norrsken]

<cite>Vydar@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>Your list is very very inaccurate.Templars > most melee classesTroubadors who know [I cannot control my vocabulary] they are doing > many many players periodEvery class except for summoners are the rock to someone's scissors. </blockquote>A summoner with a fwe healers, and a tank can actually be prettyd amn nasty. The single target dps of a necro can drop healers in a fwe secodns once it gets rolling. Problem is, without those healers and the tank, they never survive long enough to do anything. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Omgidomms]

<cite>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vydar@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>Your list is very very inaccurate.Templars > most melee classesTroubadors who know [I cannot control my vocabulary] they are doing > many many players periodEvery class except for summoners are the rock to someone's scissors. </blockquote>A summoner with a fwe healers, and a tank can actually be prettyd amn nasty. The single target dps of a necro can drop healers in a fwe secodns once it gets rolling. Problem is, without those healers and the tank, they never survive long enough to do anything. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>But is't it better to have a wizard or a warlock in the group?

[Norrsken]

<cite>Ratzy@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ulvhamne@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vydar@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote>Your list is very very inaccurate.Templars > most melee classesTroubadors who know [I cannot control my vocabulary] they are doing > many many players periodEvery class except for summoners are the rock to someone's scissors. </blockquote>A summoner with a fwe healers, and a tank can actually be prettyd amn nasty. The single target dps of a necro can drop healers in a fwe secodns once it gets rolling. Problem is, without those healers and the tank, they never survive long enough to do anything. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img mce_tsrc=" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote>But is't it better to have a wizard or a warlock in the group?</blockquote>Warlock, prolly, wizard, nope.

[mtwideen]

<cite>Kinox@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>I just noticed that people want to put dirges in the bottom 5 buti submit to you that anything with track and evac is NOT the worst class to play in pvp.I originally played a necro for the frist year and a half of the nagafen server.  I know a thing or two about getting owned in pvp.I rolled a troubador for raiding purposes and discovered that even though its very low dps, its still quite good.  I have never played a dirge, but i know that the key to my success is being able to evac from unfair odds and track down a fair fight.  Yes, i occasionally roll a greenie or i kill someone who has a mob on them, but who among us hasn't?  I guess what im trying to say is, with the exception of summoners and maybe guardians every other class in this game has a fair shot at killing a decent amount ofpeople they come across.</blockquote>Uhhh, well first of all, troubadors are much better than dirges are for soloing, they have stifles (instead of interrupts) charm and mez instead of fear and rez, jesters instead of a life transfer(can't be used solo) so ya, a lot of people assume since their troub is ok, that dirges are to, but that is not the case, troubs are better than dirges solo, group, it is all about the set up, but solo, troubs win. So anyways, about the track and evac, well, I agree that makes it easier for dirges to survive/run away from fights. But that doesn't make them a good solo class, cause IMO in order to be a good solo class, u have to fight people eventually <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />. So dirges can use track to sneak up on people and get the first hit in, but we don't have any really big hits, so that doesn't help so much, and tracking someone so that u can find them, then attacking them and getting your [Removed for Content] kicked doesn't make them a good class IMO. I posted a solo pvp dirge thread in the dirge forum... and got 3 responses, 1 from t7... (one from t2 which doesn't count cause they are actually good at that lvl) so I think that kinda shows the lack of soloing ability for a dirge

[Kinox]

Actually, troubs get 2 interupts, one of which also carries a chance for a knockback/stun.  Does ur heal actually say you cant use it on yourself?  Or do you just assume that since its a life transfer, its useless?  I use my necro's life transfer all the time to heal up.  Most life transfers in this game take away less than they heal for (high spell qualities do anyway).  And ifyou have an aa to increase the heal amount, thats even better, cuz it doesn't increase the amount it takes away from you.  But i guess thats pretty moot if you cant cast it on yourself to begin with.  Would be interested to know if thats the case or if you just assumed that it wouldn't help.  You have a root, you have CoB you have a stun and a fear.  You can do alot with those things.  But if your issue is killing them before they kill you, you need to probably re-think your aa/gear choices to make sure you are maximizing your dps.  As a bard you should have equal amounts of INT and STR and as a dirge your melee weapon is more important than your bow.I have 2 friends who play/played dirges in high-end pvp and they both tell me that their dirges owned face.  What are youdoing wrong?

[mtwideen]

I dunno, I used to always group, I role with good groups, and do a good job in them (or at least that is my opinion and the opinions of the people I group with, I could be wrong <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />) but anyways, lately I have decided to learn how to solo, so I have gone out and attacked everyone, first of all, I have tried the life transfer on myself (even if it would work, with all AA in it, it would be useless cause I am dazed, and it would not heal me enough keep me from dying) but it did not work on myself. And troubs get a knockback interrupt???? I tohught it was a stifle?? I know dirges get the interupt but I thought troubs was stifle. Anyways, if you could get one of those high end pvp (solo, I am fine with grouping) dirges, to send me a PM and explain some of their strategies to help me figure out what I am doing wrong I would greatly appreciate it. From what I have seen, the only classes I have a chance against (I am a Q) are necros, but I never really fight them straight up, it is always a gank, so I don't really know, coercers (for the same reason) brigands/assasins (not the good ones, but if non of my snares or fear get resisted or cured then I can kite them, but if they get close to me I am screwed), bruisers ( I do fairly well against them, but again, snares cannot get resisted or I am screwed) and well I haven't fought many solo zerkers or guardians so I odn't really know but i assume I should be able to kite them.Where as I CANNOT beat any healer (have atually beat 2, out of about 40 fights, and they weren't very good lol) and definitely zerkers, ( when I kite them, they can kill me from ranged, and I have no chance melee, so I duno what I can possibly do). Anything with manashield is almost impossible because (I know I am supposed to just run when manashield comes up and wai it out) but that is easier said than done, cause I have to fight them for so long to get them scared enough to use manashield, and when they use it, I am so snared/rooted/DoTed that I can't get away. So about half the classes if everything goes perfectly for me, I can beat... but if anything goes wrong (if they get close to me) I am screwed, and the other half, I have no chance.Those are my experiences anyways, like I said, if u know a dirge that has been successful solo, than please get them to PM me, cause I have talked to many dirges, and they have all given up on soloing a long time ago...

[Kinox]

Well, an old guildmate of mine, dankshasta has played both troub and dirge at high end and i believe he spec'd his dirge to act like a rouge/pred than a caster.  Same thing for my friend Music who has also played his bard as a dirge and a troub in high end.  It seems that to be successful at t7/t8 pvp, dirges need to be up in your face.As for interference spells, troubs get a bowshot stiffle, and encounter mini-nuke (only about 1k damage) that interupts, and encounter interupt that has a % chance to knock target back as well (if the knockback procs target is stunned for 1 second) a mez, a charm, and a snare.  Oh, and we can reduce ALL your offensive skills (casting/melee/focus) by like 30-something with the t8 processional spell. (encounter-wide)So yeah, you dirges probably aren't as good in pvp as troubs, but at least you can kill stuff, unlike summoners.

[mtwideen]

lol I will definitely agree that dirges are better than summoners lol, but the problem with dirges "being up in your face" as u put it... is against any scout/fighter, we will get our [Removed for Content] kicked, we cannot compete with brigs, assassins or any fighter in melee combat, we just simply don't do even close to the damage that they do and tanks have way more health..the only classes we want to be close to are mages, (and when manashield is pput up and we are that close, we are screwed) and well healers, honestly, unless they suck we have no chance

[Reddeth]

<cite>kukubird wrote:</cite><blockquote>Templars can be some of the best pvpers in game hands down.Regarding the original topic.Necro is by far thw absolute worst class in pvp.  Unless you mean if they somehow get a root off and can run away.LOL necro is the only class i know that has so little for pvp. and what little it does have, our attacks break it in less then 1 second.Add squishy and no burst dps and there you have it.Don't know what the devs were thinking.</blockquote><p>If you pair the necro up with a defiler, they are a pretty [Removed for Content] good duo. Hell, any healer with a necro should be fine. All necros need are heals and they are pretty tough. </p><p> I have a 78 defiler and duoed with a necro and we did very well pvping during that period of time.</p>