Dev Fist- Named

[Beogon]

Ok so im wondering if any bruisers out there are landing Dev fist on named mobs for the full 25%. I group with a monk from my guild from time to time, and she throws down her dev fist on instanced named for 60k +. Personally i have NEVER landed the full dmg on a true named ( unrest / nest/ SoF / All RoK ) Dont give me that it only works some time bull [Removed for Content]. It has NEVER landed for the big hit, just the worthless [Removed for Content] 300 dmg stifle crap. So my question is, does this spell work differently for monk / bruisers? Are other bruisers landing this on named like ive seen monks? Am i bugged / nerfed ? Help please!

[tt66]

<cite>Beogon wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok so im wondering if any bruisers out there are landing Dev fist on named mobs for the full 25%. I group with a monk from my guild from time to time, and she throws down her dev fist on instanced named for 60k +. Personally i have NEVER landed the full dmg on a true named ( unrest / nest/ SoF / All RoK ) Dont give me that it only works some time bull [I cannot control my vocabulary]. It has NEVER landed for the big hit, just the worthless [I cannot control my vocabulary] 300 dmg stifle crap. So my question is, does this spell work differently for monk / bruisers? Are other bruisers landing this on named like ive seen monks? Am i bugged / nerfed ? Help please!</blockquote>I've had Dev Fist land on some names for the full 25%, and fail miserably and just stifle me on others. It does appear to be linked to the individual name as to whether or not the [Removed for Content] spell will actually work.I just /bug everyone it doesn't land on.Might not be a bad idea to do some experimentation with your monk friend, mind you. If she is consistently landing Dev Fist on a named, and you can't do the same on the same named (remember that mobs gain an immunity to Dev Fist after it lands to prevent a group of four brawlers one-shotting everything!), then you'll have some fairly compelling evidence.

[Timaarit]

<cite>Beogon wrote:</cite><blockquote>Ok so im wondering if any bruisers out there are landing Dev fist on named mobs for the full 25%. I group with a monk from my guild from time to time, and she throws down her dev fist on instanced named for 60k +. Personally i have NEVER landed the full dmg on a true named ( unrest / nest/ SoF / All RoK ) Dont give me that it only works some time bull [I cannot control my vocabulary]. It has NEVER landed for the big hit, just the worthless [I cannot control my vocabulary] 300 dmg stifle crap. So my question is, does this spell work differently for monk / bruisers? Are other bruisers landing this on named like ive seen monks? Am i bugged / nerfed ? Help please!</blockquote>If your friend hits DF first on a named, the the named will be immune to DF probably for the rest of the fight. So dont use it on the same mob as your friend does. Unless you hit first <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />I have landed DF many times and often with a crit doing 32,5% damage on targets health. I have looked at the health bar and on crits it has taken noticeably more health than just 25%. Though occasionally some mobs have been immune even though I have been soloing <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/0320a00cb4bb5629ab9fc2bc1fcc4e9e.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Splor]

Honestly every time I've heard this subject its always, My MONK friend hits a named, My BRUISER does not. I going to ask one of my monk friends to test it out with me today(if they're on later) and if their hits a named(i understand the clause that DF cant be used back to back), we'll fd and try again with a round if me using it. If mine fails then the bug simply lies in bruisers not being able to use the spell to its full potential. I myself have never(and i've tested on every one i've come across) landed a DF on a named, but have still recieved the great and wonderful stifle.

[Morrolan V]

<p>Just did Agony last night with a bruiser in my guild.</p><p>HE was landing Dev Fist on names -- happened three times.  Every time I try Dev Fist on an heroic name, I get the message "That combat art is not effective against this NPC" (or something very close to that).  It does, however, land for the ~300 dmg and stifles me.  <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />  This was NOT a result of the bruiser having used DF on the mob.  It happened when he had not used it, and I get the same message whenever I try it, including when I am not grouped with another Dev Fist-er. </p><p>I will /bug this.  Seems like there are two versions of it, or something.</p>

[Splor]

indeed its something fishy.... i cant land on a single named, yet others seem to land it just fine and dandy. Perhaps the bug difference lies in when you got the spell(before or after they updated it) <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />

[Viyse]

<p>I too have tried this out in crypt of agony,  Our monk in the guild was able to land Dev fist on every named for the full 25% and I (bruiser) was unable to land a single hit kept getting the same message this combat art can not be used on this target.  Mind you we were both in a different instance of agony so there was no immunity from one of us using it on same mob.</p><p> I did do a bug report. Perhaps the above poster is correct and depends on which version you got.  I've had my dev fist for long before they upgraded it. So perhaps we did get the short end of the stick. although i do beleive none of them are suposed to work on named mobs.</p>

[Morrolan V]

<p>Could be the "age" of the spell -- I have had mine since about two weeks after the original bloodlines pack went live.</p>

[Beogon]

<p>Yes we all are well aware of the immunity, however im not talking about that. The fact is that my dev fist has NEVER landed the full hit on a heroic named. Yes i have tested it, many many times. However the monk can. So yes it seems there is something fishing going on here, or there are two versions ?</p><p>edit : mine is the 'original' version as well</p>

[YellowJeep]

Just a datapoint, bought DF from broker last night, went to Butcherblock, and tried it on Named Bugbear wolf trainer... got "This can't be used on this mob" message and stifle...

[EQ2Luv]

My monk was stifled and got the cannot use message, and did not do 25%, on the first name in maiden's chamber.  A monk in the monk channel said that he had landed it on the very same name to avoid one of the teleport/aoes that the mob does.  So it seems to not be a monk vs bruiser thing.  One monk landed, another monk did not. (And i was the only brawler in the party, so it was not an issue of another brawler applying immunity with their dev fist.)

[Redbed]

I landed dev fist on General Veers in Jarsith wastes.  I was behind him and not tanking so I dont know if that matters.  Forget if hes a ^^ or a ^^^ level 83 heroic.  Landed for 42k so I dont know.  Ive had it work really good and Ive had it fail miserable against easy mobs.  Just the luck of the roll.  I find it works better if Mob has limited chance to block parry or avoid (I.E. Ensure they are stunned or knockdowned) 

[Splor]

aye, the problem isnt with our DF missing, its just simply that it hit, gives us a message saying to cant hit that mob type, and stifles us without doing much of anything.

[Luk]

I have found that the component that hits for a set amount (the part that is around 200 damage, not in game atm so can't remember the exact amount) will hit the mob so the stifle effect activates, but the secondary effect that hits for 25% of max health misses or has no effect when hitting a named, I do not have the same problem on my monk, if it hits, it hits with both components whether its a named or a normal heroic mob.This could be a case of when I bought/scribed the skill, before the changes with my bruiser and after the changes with my monk.

[Raznor2]

<p>I've been through the Crypt of Agony a number of times this week and from what I can tell, when I am tanking a named mob I will get a cannot be used on such and such a mob.  But, when I'm not the tank, dev fist hits. </p><p>~Raithan </p>

[Redbed]

Im wondering if maybee its the stifle portion thats causing the You cant use this on this mob.  Some mobs seem to be immune to silence or stun....No that doesnt make sense cause BlankityTrices can be dev fisted and they are immune to stun effects.  Hmmm.  Maybee its the silence....or maybee there really is a bug.

[Kantaro]

<cite>Raznor269 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I've been through the Crypt of Agony a number of times this week and from what I can tell, when I am tanking a named mob I will get a cannot be used on such and such a mob.  But, when I'm not the tank, dev fist hits. </p><p>~Raithan </p></blockquote>Dev fist is more likely to hit when you are DPSing because your +to hit chance is increased. When tanking I switch to balanced stance before Devfisting. Makes an uber taunt. However, thats just missing in general. When the "Cannot be used against this target" message comes up for some and not others, I agree, something is not right.

[Raznor2]

<p>I think you misunderstood Kantaro.  I wasn't referring to the chance to hit with dev. fist when I'm tanking, what I meant was that when I tank I get the cannot be used on this target message on every named mob.  When I'm not tanking, I don't get that message and dev fist can hit like normal.</p><p> ~Raithan</p>

[tt66]

<cite>Raznor269 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I think you misunderstood Kantaro.  I wasn't referring to the chance to hit with dev. fist when I'm tanking, what I meant was that when I tank I get the cannot be used on this target message on every named mob.  When I'm not tanking, I don't get that message and dev fist can hit like normal.</p><p> ~Raithan</p></blockquote>So, it never works when you're tanking, but when you're acting dps on the <b>exact same mob</b> it works fine? Here's something to try next time you're tanking : spin the mob with Eagle Spin before you throw devastation fist at it. Because the only difference I can see between tanking and dpsing is the position you are in relative to the mob.

[Morrolan V]

<p>I have gotten the cannot be used message when not tanking and standing behind the MoB.</p><p>I will experiment some more with it.</p>

[Corydonn]

The solution is simple. You only get the "This Combat Art cannot be used on this target" for the same exact named. Some named are just immune and will be everytime you fight them. Only certain named can be hit with Dev fist. It would be wise to make a list on which mobs you can and can't hit with Dev Fist.

[Splor]

I've gone around and HAVE TRIED TO USE DEVASTATION FIST ON ALMOST EVERY SINGLE NAMED IN THE GAME! have you not even read the posts? my god man. I've mentored my troub from level 1-63, using it on every named i've come across, not to mention it sometimes drops the message and regular mobs, and have never EVER landed it successfully on a named, But when it does land It does its wimpy damage(part of the attack) I get the Message, and i get stifled.

[tt66]

<cite>Splorch wrote:</cite><blockquote>I've gone around and HAVE TRIED TO USE DEVASTATION FIST ON ALMOST EVERY SINGLE NAMED IN THE GAME! have you not even read the posts? my god man. I've mentored my troub from level 1-63, using it on every named i've come across, not to mention it sometimes drops the message and regular mobs, and have never EVER landed it successfully on a named, But when it does land It does its wimpy damage(part of the attack) I get the Message, and i get stifled.</blockquote>You've never, ever, managed to get Dev Fist to work on a single heroic named? Ever?Well then you're doing something wrong. Because it often (but certainly not always) works for me. Try making sure you're in offensive stance before using it or something.I dunno if the issue is a) positionalb) some names simply can't be dev fistedc) it depends which buffs are currently on namedd) other.And there is certainly an issue with Dev Fist not working and the stifle happening anyway.But it is erroneous to say that it simply does not work on heroic names. The issue is that it only works on some, some part of the time, and nobody really seems to know why.

[Splor]

ill be damned. I spent this morning power levelling one of my toons slaughtering mobs in RE. Dev fist vs named, failed, failed, failed, failed, failed, and then(1197321190)[Mon Dec 10 14:13:10 2007] YOUR Devastation Fist hits The Beguiler for 3786 crushing damage.It failed vs no short of ever named but the beguiler. still sucks it failed on everything else :/

[x0rtrun]

They should just rename it Devastation Wish.