T8 Armor

[Twsly76]

<p>Few questions, Is there a Class only legendary set, Where do you get the Fabled pieces, I know there are Quest NPC in Legion of Danak that you turn in items to get a Fabled SK only set but where do you get the Items. Also I would like to see some new Shields. Haven't really seen any posted yet. Thanks all. </p>

[Dead Knight]

No, the only Legendary set is all Fighters and really sucks. The Fabled set comes from raiding, obviously (if you aren't in a raid guild, you probably won't see any until close to the end of the expansion).

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote>No, the only Legendary set is all Fighters and really sucks. The Fabled set comes from raiding, obviously (if you aren't in a raid guild, you probably won't see any until close to the end of the expansion).</blockquote><p>Lol. Don't assume that ROK legendary set really sucks. It sucks if T7 raiders see it.. It is good upgrade if group-based SK like me sees it. I still sporting full T7 legendary armor set and this ROK one is good upgrade. There are lot of group-based SKs out there so ROK legendary set will benefit them well. Not every SK raids, silly.</p><p>I love SK as group based tank cuz SK really shines there.. Probably best tank of all for group instances.. Bloodletting should help group based SK alot. I had some wipes cuz of fighting epics 5 to 6 levels over our head in group instanced like SOF. Bloodletting should help there alot and they don't dispel.   SK OWNS in SOF especially with fear immunity. I sure felt like god in there heh.</p>

[Bardrick]

Is the Legendary gear better the master crafted?  I have a 70 armorsmith, and was wondering if it was worth running him up.As you can tell, I am not a raider.  So Imbued Ornated Mastercrafted has been the best I have found so far.  I love running areas in sky, and unrest.

[Wildmage]

<cite>Bardrick wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is the Legendary gear better the master crafted?  I have a 70 armorsmith, and was wondering if it was worth running him up.As you can tell, I am not a raider.  So Imbued Ornated Mastercrafted has been the best I have found so far.  I love running areas in sky, and unrest.</blockquote>Mastercrafted isn't better than quest rewards right now, its an upgrade to tier 7 but all the lil effects and such on treasured armor and quest rewards really makes mastercrafted not worth making, just look at how piddly the rares used for mastercrafted equipment are going for compared to the rest.

[Dead Knight]

<cite>Nocifer Deathblade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote>No, the only Legendary set is all Fighters and really sucks. The Fabled set comes from raiding, obviously (if you aren't in a raid guild, you probably won't see any until close to the end of the expansion).</blockquote><p>Lol. Don't assume that ROK legendary set really sucks. It sucks if T7 raiders see it.. It is good upgrade if group-based SK like me sees it. I still sporting full T7 legendary armor set and this ROK one is good upgrade. There are lot of group-based SKs out there so ROK legendary set will benefit them well. Not every SK raids, silly.</p><p>I love SK as group based tank cuz SK really shines there.. Probably best tank of all for group instances.. Bloodletting should help group based SK alot. I had some wipes cuz of fighting epics 5 to 6 levels over our head in group instanced like SOF. Bloodletting should help there alot and they don't dispel.   SK OWNS in SOF especially with fear immunity. I sure felt like god in there heh.</p></blockquote>Well considering a casual player, if he really wanted to could spend a week doing EoF PUs at level 80 and easily get full Malicious in a week, it pretty much still sucks since alot of the quested armor from RoK is better anyway. But I do see your point. Paladins are better group tanks than us. Btw, did you spec WIS for fear immunity?

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well considering a casual player, if he really wanted to could spend a week doing EoF PUs at level 80 and easily get full Malicious in a week, it pretty much still sucks since alot of the quested armor from RoK is better anyway. But I do see your point. Paladins are better group tanks than us. Btw, did you spec WIS for fear immunity?</blockquote><p>Yes, I spec in wis line for fear immunity and nice 2% to damage, heal and ward for my group.. Battle leadership rocks too. It used to be +34 to various skills for group but now it is improving to 36 at lvl 75 and I assume it would hit 38 at lvl 80.. Wis line OWNS in Shard of fear before ROK.. It mades HUGEEEEE difference when I re-speced to wis for that.. I am devoted to cavalier (agi line) since day one but was forced to re-spec so can do SOF to give cavalier up temporary knowing that I can get it all back thanks to 20 new AA..</p><p>I am spec'ed in AGI all way to lance for added dps and great in AE counters (trample owns), wis all way to fear immunity (wis owns for group boosting) and, of course, INT to 68% spell crit that every SK GOTTA HAVE.  Of course, in SK tree for siphon hate and reaver specs and will work on getting pools of blood thanks to 20 aa.</p><p>With those specs, I sure feel like fighter+healer and bard combined in one heh. SK who groups alot as a tank should get WIS spec line. It is great. Wis even helps solo better. I was at lvl 71 and was able to fight in Jarsath waste solo against lvl 77 or 78 with relative success thanks to leadership of massive offensive skills that I was able to land hits normally against oranges that surprised me.. HUGE difference.. I am hooked with WIS line.. Glad that I respec'ed to it before ROK thanks to SOF forcing me to do it. I even can fight in defensive stance easily and land hits easily now but loss of INT HURTS so bad so I stayed in offensive stance simply I NEED INT boost heh. Cavalier line Higher ground sure helps alot with offset defense loss of offensive stance..  I put all into AGI from traits and defensive from AA and parry from adornments etc so can enjoy 40% (1h/shield) in full offense solo in just legendary sets so can solo many mobs at once without real difficulty. Big difference.  Remember, SK weakest point is avoidance while their mitigation is easy to get.. Low avoidance will enjoy bigger return compared to bruiser for example. Don't bother much with increasing avoidance for bruisers and focus on increasing their mitigation the most while for SK, focusing on increasing avoidance % is pretty good investment and it'll help much in taking overall damage as group SK.  </p><p>I know raiding SK needs all mitigation they can get and get best shield and adornments in block than avoidance % from parry, defense etc cuz they are contested.  Group SK avoidance is more useful from parry, defense, block and even agi so I focus on all of those to make up the deficit of legendary gear. If I am in all fabled then I might not be too focused on those and could afford to reduce higher ground for example.. </p>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<cite>Wildmage wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bardrick wrote:</cite><blockquote>Is the Legendary gear better the master crafted?  I have a 70 armorsmith, and was wondering if it was worth running him up.As you can tell, I am not a raider.  So Imbued Ornated Mastercrafted has been the best I have found so far.  I love running areas in sky, and unrest.</blockquote>Mastercrafted isn't better than quest rewards right now, its an upgrade to tier 7 but all the lil effects and such on treasured armor and quest rewards really makes mastercrafted not worth making, just look at how piddly the rares used for mastercrafted equipment are going for compared to the rest.</blockquote><p>My EOF legendary gear is still better than T8 mastercrafted especially mitigation. ;( So I got no upgrades even at 75 yet.. I'm sure once past 75 doing easy quests, I finally start to get some upgraded items to replace.. Got no upgrades before 75 yet simply cuz most armor mitigation are way too low to upgrade.. Can't afford to lose those mitigations.. </p><p>When I see T8 legendary armor for figthers, it sure shows clear upgrade to EOF legendary armor  even with improved mitigation so I am glad and look forward to acquire that.. </p>

[Bardrick]

The EoF Legendary gear you speak of, is this quested, or dropped off named?  I never really found anything better.  Couple things I lost the roll on, but mabey I am missing something.  Care to throw a fellow Sk a bone on where to get this armor?  I can easily get a group together for quests or name runs, 2x is difficult but possible.  Our guild is no where near getting a 4x.

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<cite>Bardrick wrote:</cite><blockquote>The EoF Legendary gear you speak of, is this quested, or dropped off named?  I never really found anything better.  Couple things I lost the roll on, but mabey I am missing something.  Care to throw a fellow Sk a bone on where to get this armor?  I can easily get a group together for quests or name runs, 2x is difficult but possible.  Our guild is no where near getting a 4x.</blockquote><p>Drops off EOF heroic nameds.  IN COV (forearm), OOB (boot), Kaladim (glove), MM catacomb (shoulder), castle (leg) and unrest (bp and helm). All group based encounters. Can't solo them at all before ROK but now can probably solo some of them with new level cap of 80 if you are strong..</p><p>I had to live with its HORRIBLE appearance for long time. That was one of worse thing about EOF legendary armor I had beef with.. Now, it was GONE!! Thanks to awesome appearance window for profile to enjoy so EOF legendary loses its horrible appearance and SKs  can enjoy them more without looking like a paladin. Gee.</p>

[Bardrick]

Thank you. I guess I just had some bad luck.  Been in each of those places several times.  I guess for fun, it's back to the runs =)P.S Any named heroic mobs in the zone right?  Certain named don't drop certain items?

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<cite>Bardrick wrote:</cite><blockquote>Thank you. I guess I just had some bad luck.  Been in each of those places several times.  I guess for fun, it's back to the runs =)P.S Any named heroic mobs in the zone right?  Certain named don't drop certain items?</blockquote><p>No, certain nameds.  OOB and COV bosses drop them (always). Butler and one other I think in Catacomb drops it (not always)..  Ring event in kaladim drops it sometimes (not always).</p><p>Priest of fear or something drops helm and final Garandi (dwarf ghost guy) drops bp in unrest.</p><p>Basically, all tradeable pieces come from contested, non instanced zones and not always drop (harder to get) while all instanced zones always drop no-trade pieces and easier to get.</p>

[Dead Knight]

Mitigation means nothing. Focus on stats.

[Beldin_]

When i dinged 77 my mitigation was down to 45,x% .. even my warden who is mostly geared from quested items and in leather  had more at that point. Maybe Mitigation means nothing, however i really felt a little gimped then <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[erimus]

<cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote>Mitigation means nothing. Focus on stats.</blockquote><p>Can you clarify that statement a little please?  Why Exactly does mit Mean nothing?  In certain circumstances or just in general?</p>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<cite>erimus wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Dead Knight wrote:</cite><blockquote>Mitigation means nothing. Focus on stats.</blockquote><p>Can you clarify that statement a little please?  Why Exactly does mit Mean nothing?  In certain circumstances or just in general?</p></blockquote><p>For raiders, yes, mitigation means little..  For casual SK, mitigation means alot. Don't assume that the value of miigation is same for everyone.  Everything is on the law of diminishing return.  I try to keep mitigation over 50%. Mitigation under 50% is good investment to improve cuz of bigger return per mitigation point. Over 50%, you'll see greatly reduced return as you go well above 50%. </p><p>I am hovering at 51% at lvl 75 still in T7 gear thanks to EOF legendary so I'm satisified with my mitigation and focus on stats. But If I upgrade to T8 with reduced mitigation then I'll certainly see drop below 50% then I would start to feel some beatings which is not acceptable for me. </p><p>Same goes to stats, it got diminishing return too. if your one single stat got way too high then focus on OTHER stat to spread it around.</p><p>The biggest reason why I focus HEAVILY on avoidance part is cuz we NEVER are able to go past point of diminishing return cuz we are already low in avoidance as  a plate tank so any investment in avoidance tend to enjoy nice return in %. A single rank in higher ground AA for example grants me a nice full 0.4% in avoidance which is pretty big compared to mitigation. The avoidance return will slow down severly once go past 50% in avoidance.</p><p>The best normalization goal for SK is 50% mitigation and 50% avoidance (with 1h/shield) then you are GOOD to go. I am currently at 51% mitigation and 41% (offensive stance) in avoidance but I will see 55% mitigation and 49% in avoidance in defensive stance and I am fully capable of tanking in ANY group encounters even most difficult ones (Well before ROK heh but haven't attempt ROK difficult group zones yet). I usually go defensive while tanking for group. If I am UBER SK with raid gear, I probably see 50% in avoidance in offensive stance THEN I would tank for my group in offensive stance instead..</p>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<cite>Shalla@Valor wrote:</cite><blockquote>When i dinged 77 my mitigation was down to 45,x% .. even my warden who is mostly geared from quested items and in leather  had more at that point. Maybe Mitigation means nothing, however i really felt a little gimped then <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>Hehe, your mitigation will continue to reduce and reduce as you level up with SAME gear since lvl 70.. Only way to bring mitigation back up is to upgrade to T8 ones with higher mitigation.if you upgrade to T8 with smaller mitigation then you'll see reduced mitigation % instead of going up.  45% is pretty low and wise to go back to 50%+ once again as you used to have that before ROK that is totally acceptable number. You are starting to feel a pinch with 45%. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> It'll be even worse at 80 with same gear..   45% vs 55% (high end group SK can attain pretty easy) = 10% difference in damage intake is pretty big..</p><p>Thank Innoruuk that ROK got lot of awesome quests to be able to obtain some decent gear especially fabled ones that can be obtainable by a single group! Some even obtainable by solo! Gee. Can't wait. </p><p>I had 55% mitigation at 70 but now reduced to 51% at lvl 75 (I don't feel pinch yet all thanks to 16 extra defense from 20 new AA that I just got into KOS) with same T7 gear as well. It is dropping SLOW from 55% to 51% but it WILL start to drop FASTER below 50% as we level up with same gear cuz of diminishing return. But good thing, we will witness bigger mitigation return  per mitigation point if our mitigation is below 50% to recover..</p>

[Beldin_]

<cite>Nocifer Deathblade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>erimus wrote:</cite><blockquote>For raiders, yes, mitigation means little..  For casual SK, mitigation means alot.</blockquote></blockquote><p>Yeah, some people here simply ignore the fact that there a people out there who don't run around full fabled and don't have a guardian that tooks the hits.</p><p>I just managed to get back from 45,6 to 48,2% with some level 77 legendary now, how ever i'm still under 50% and it will get worse with level 80 <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<cite>Shalla@Valor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nocifer Deathblade wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>erimus wrote:</cite><blockquote>For raiders, yes, mitigation means little..  For casual SK, mitigation means alot.</blockquote></blockquote><p>Yeah, some people here simply ignore the fact that there a people out there who don't run around full fabled and don't have a guardian that tooks the hits.</p><p>I just managed to get back from 45,6 to 48,2% with some level 77 legendary now, how ever i'm still under 50% and it will get worse with level 80 <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/c30b4198e0907b23b8246bdd52aa1c3c.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>Heh, don't despair... When you are 80, there are LOT Of awesome armor and gear to upgrade into anyway and not hard to get. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /> EXCITING! And that is for CASUAL SK.. ROK gear sure offers big boost to casual and raiding SK alike in their proper contents.. I love ROK..

[Beldin_]

<cite>Nocifer Deathblade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Thank Innoruuk that ROK got lot of awesome quests to be able to obtain some decent gear especially fabled ones that can be obtainable by a single group! Some even obtainable by solo! Gee. Can't wait. </blockquote><p>Huh ? What quests are that ? </p><p>Till now i didn't really found any items from quests that gave me better mitigation then my old stuff. </p><p>Btw.: put away your Jagged Band of the Curse and Draconic Deflector, and you'll see yourself also under 50% <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<cite>Shalla@Valor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Nocifer Deathblade wrote:</cite><blockquote>Thank Innoruuk that ROK got lot of awesome quests to be able to obtain some decent gear especially fabled ones that can be obtainable by a single group! Some even obtainable by solo! Gee. Can't wait. </blockquote><p>Huh ? What quests are that ? </p><p>Till now i didn't really found any items from quests that gave me better mitigation then my old stuff. </p><p>Btw.: put away your Jagged Band of the Curse and Draconic Deflector, and you'll see yourself also under 50% <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>No idea yet but my raiding dirge friend  from his raiding guild who hit 80 last week was showing me lot of cool stuff including some fabled items that he got from group quests. He even didn't raid yet.. Very nice. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"> I like the charm one that we can easily get as well. Just go and start to tank in those group instances and take up lot of chain quests to unlock ones (faction determines to open up those new quests) to be able to enjoy some good stuff.. Questing is pretty powerful tool in ROK now as well as factioning.. Those are very good for casual Sks to aim for.

[Beldin_]

<cite>Nocifer Deathblade wrote:</cite><blockquote>No idea yet but my raiding dirge friend  from his raiding guild who hit 80 last week was showing me lot of cool stuff including some fabled items that he got from group quests. </blockquote><p>I think nerf is already on the way :</p><p><a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=396399" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=396399</a></p>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<p>AHA! I just found out at <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=396399�" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...396399�</a></p><p>That changes the goals of acquiring gear.. I haven't found a single upgrade to my T7 gear yet even with those crazy effects cuz refused to lose on mitigation and some other things especially when I am fully adorned and it sucks to lose those good ones like 10 dps, etc that hurts alot.. </p><p>That nerf will not affect me and wouldn't effect group/raid sks much but for weaker Sks, it would.. I had transmuted all of those quest items and drops from 70 to 75 to enjoy lot of those raws to create T8 adornments heh so the nerf won't change anything heh. But nerf would hurt lvl 80 area that I saw some cool items that we would get and now it's gone. At least, faction items are gaining in its good value as supposed to be and I'm glad for it.</p>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

Haha. We found out about the same time and posted our findings..

[Beldin_]

<p>If swapped most of my jewlery till now against legendary rewards. The benefit is mostly more life/str/agi and better avoidance however i've lost quite some INT. But thats mostly from the lost adornments, and since the prices of adornments are much higher at the moment, i will wait until i'm ready with most of the quests before i buy new ones.</p><p>Armorwise my shoulders and bracers are from quests in Kunzar and gave a very very small boost to mitigation. My gauntlets are broker-bought set-items and they at least have a miti over 500.</p>

[Rast]

<p>heh, I know, I know, I'm in the wrong forum but <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>With mitigation, you can get a piece that has less 'numbers' for mitigation that will actually be better than the piece you have now.  A lvl 77 piece with 402 mitigation (made up number) will be better than a lvl 70 piece with the same mitigation.  And I have seen times where a piece with less mitigation actually gave me a higher mitigation % due to the difference in levels, so keep that in mind, especially on the no trade quest stuff, try it on and see what it does to your mitigation before you flat out dismiss it <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<cite>Jalathan@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>heh, I know, I know, I'm in the wrong forum but <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>With mitigation, you can get a piece that has less 'numbers' for mitigation that will actually be better than the piece you have now.  A lvl 77 piece with 402 mitigation (made up number) will be better than a lvl 70 piece with the same mitigation.  And I have seen times where a piece with less mitigation actually gave me a higher mitigation % due to the difference in levels, so keep that in mind, especially on the no trade quest stuff, try it on and see what it does to your mitigation before you flat out dismiss it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>Oh really? New to me.. Will pay attention to that % change for lvl 70 same mitgation vs lvl 80 mitigation number for example. I only thought mitigation is flat number that counted against your own level (not gear level) then T8 level gear gotta have bigger mitigation to scale up what T7 had to deliver same mitigation %.

[Rast]

<p>that has been my experience, yes.  </p><p>It has also been one of the long time arguments of armorers that all of our armor is early tier stuff and by the end of the tier is worth about as much as tissue paper... <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[Nocifer Deathblade]

<cite>Jalathan@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>that has been my experience, yes.  </p><p>It has also been one of the long time arguments of armorers that all of our armor is early tier stuff and by the end of the tier is worth about as much as tissue paper... <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>It's normal really cuz T7 armor MC mitigation stayed the same as we level up so our mitigation % keep going down. T8 MC armor MUST have bigger mitigation to bring % back to where it was. If T8 MC armor has same mitigation as T7 MC then it'll stay as tissue paper. That is why I was puzzled at your claim that Lvl 80 mitigation 500 piece will offer bigger % than Lvl 70 mitigation of 500 piece.. That is new to me.. I am used to seeing next tier armor system having more mitigation than previous tier in order to scale up and keep mitigation % constant. </p><p>T7 MC on lvl 62 SK mitigation should have same mitigation % against lvl 62 mobs as T8 MC on lvl 72 SK mitigation against lvl 72 mobs. Yet, T8 mitigation number > T7 mitigation number = same % mitigation against equal level mobs. </p>

[Beldin_]

<cite>Jalathan@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>heh, I know, I know, I'm in the wrong forum but <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>With mitigation, you can get a piece that has less 'numbers' for mitigation that will actually be better than the piece you have now.  A lvl 77 piece with 402 mitigation (made up number) will be better than a lvl 70 piece with the same mitigation.  And I have seen times where a piece with less mitigation actually gave me a higher mitigation % due to the difference in levels, so keep that in mind, especially on the no trade quest stuff, try it on and see what it does to your mitigation before you flat out dismiss it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote><p>Yeah .. thats quite old .. when KoS came out everyone was crying that Xegonite miti was worse than Cobalt, but they all didn't noticed that effective mitigation gets worse with each level, so that in the end Xegonite was better.</p><p>Before dimishing return was introduced was sombody posted a formula for that .. simplified it was something like :</p><p>effective mitigation = mitigation / your level * Item level</p>

[Rast]

<p>aye, that would be the logical manner, Nocifer...  Unfortunately, that isn't how it works <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />  It has been a long time complaint of people who use mitigation as a determining factor of their gear...  There is no way to really tell if a piece of gear will provide better mitigation without putting it on, which of course, you can't do if you 1) don't own it or 2) don't want to attune it.  I aslo believe there is a similiar situation with weapons and their ability to hit (which is why rangers are often complaining about their ammo, since it determines the level of the weapon when it is used), but I don't have as solid a grasp on that one as I do the armor one.</p><p>Beldin, Yah, I think I've seen a similiar forumla before.</p>

[MaCloud1032]

<cite>Jalathan@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>heh, I know, I know, I'm in the wrong forum but <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>With mitigation, you can get a piece that has less 'numbers' for mitigation that will actually be better than the piece you have now.  A lvl 77 piece with 402 mitigation (made up number) will be better than a lvl 70 piece with the same mitigation.  And I have seen times where a piece with less mitigation actually gave me a higher mitigation % due to the difference in levels, so keep that in mind, especially on the no trade quest stuff, try it on and see what it does to your mitigation before you flat out dismiss it <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></p></blockquote>This guy is right.  I just kept forgetting to post about it.  I have a peice of EoF class gear.  I have the forarms they have 530 mitigation.  I can put on a pair of lv 77 forams with 500 mitigation and see a .1% rais in mitigation even though my raw mit went down.  My % for mobs at lv 80 went up.

[Bardrick]

That is just plain confusing.No way to really test it them without putting them on.

[Uggli]

And is stupid as hell because the numbers on the armor for mitigation mean nothing what so ever now.Might as well just remove the mit listing and put in some discriptions like...<span style="font-size: xx-large;">"UBER ARMOR OF BUTT KICKING</span>,  <span style="font-size: xx-small;">as long as you are level 72.   If you are 73 then ROFL at you."</span>

[Rast]

<p>it really isn't that bad...  Chances are, if the pieces are close in level, then the mitigation value will mean more, it is as the pieces become further and further apart in level that you begin to see the more radical changes.  The mit number is important, but it is only one piece of the puzzle.  Just like DR isn't a good measure, but part of a measure of a weapons effectiveness.</p><p>The information you need is there, it just isn't so easy as to look at it.  Use the formula that Beldin had above and that will get you close.  and from there you can decide based upon the important factors (effective mitigation, stats, effects, etc).</p><p>That being said, I wish they'd put an effective mitigation upon the pieces, just to give us the ability to compare the armor side by side without equipping it, or even just some way to see how it would impact our stats with/without it.</p><p>For example, you can run the formula above on the senario I gave earlier.</p><p>I piece of lvl 70 armor with a mitigation of 402, would have a effective mitigation of 402.</p><p>A level 80 piece of armor with a mitigation of 402, would have an effective mitigation of 402.</p><p>Remember that is vs even con mobs.</p><p>At lvl 80, that piece of lvl 70 armor's effective mitigation is now only 351.75.  That would mean at 80, any lvl 80 armor you got that had at least that much mitigation (351.75) would be the same as what you have on, anything above that would improve your mitigation.</p><p>Now, with diminishing returns, it isn't a perfect formula, but it can give you a general feel of what would improve your mitigation vs not improve.</p><p>Likewise to back up the statement by another above.  At lvl 80, a 530 mit piece lvl 70 piece would only give an effective 464 mitigation, thus explaining why the piece you put on increased your mitigation, even though it was only a 500 mit piece @ lvl 77.  it's effective mitigation at 80 is around 481.  Thus your mitigation would go up <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>Basically, the mitigation factor is the effective mitigation at the first level it can be worn, it will only go down in effectiveness from there <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p>

[nodaisho]

It would be nice if while in the dressing room, you could open a window to show what the difference would be in your stats and what it meant, but if they do implement it, we can likely look for it in a couple years.