Charm question

[Psych]

Alright I am not sure if I should post this at PVP forum or Coercer forum but here goes.My charm, when examined says it DOES charm the target even in PVP.BUT when I actually cast the spell it acts more like a stun that makes the target immune to damage for the duration. None of my pet list commands work even tho the pet command bar pops up after I charm my opponent.I did this on several players more than once and even tho I get the warning on break/pet command bar I still cant command the player to attack nearby creatures (obviously the goal as its basically the only way to damage them while theyre charmed)Am I right in thinking that the charm commands are purposely nerfed or am I doing something wrong?Does anyone have any examples of charm used on the front in PVP to any good use or am I waisting my time trying to use it regardless of its nearly impossible cast time? and yeah again...why cant I command them when it finally goes through?

[Dh]

Charmed players will defend you when you are attacked.

[Siphar]

<p>Unless they fixed this since ROK, charming players is unfeasible in EQ2 PvP.</p><p>Unfeasilble due to the 5 second cast time and fact that if it doesn't resist, you get the pet for a maximum of what seems to be around 10 seconds, but usually 1-2 seconds.</p><p>I have never personally confirmed that the PC charmed new pet defends you. My coercer was always dead at this point if I tried it... even on test lol.</p><p>Charming is done better by bards IMO even though coercers are supposed ot be the masters of it. SoE apparently feel the ability to be potentially too powerful to implement a proper system.</p><p>Stay in a group and you will always do well in PvE and PvP as a coercer - fact</p>

[Psych]

Well I certainly wouldnt use my pet as an illusionist if I couldnt command it, it only lasted 1-10 seconds, only attacked targets that attacked me, and took a 5 second cast time that required me to be in casting range of my enemy....GOSH GOLLY. Guess I am done trying to charm players.

[WasFycksir]

<cite>Siphar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Unless they fixed this since ROK, charming players is unfeasible in EQ2 PvP.</p><p>Unfeasilble due to the 5 second cast time and fact that if it doesn't resist, you get the pet for a maximum of what seems to be around 10 seconds, but usually 1-2 seconds.</p><p>I have never personally confirmed that the PC charmed new pet defends you. My coercer was always dead at this point if I tried it... even on test lol.</p><p>Charming is done better by bards IMO even though coercers are supposed ot be the masters of it. SoE apparently feel the ability to be potentially too powerful to implement a proper system.</p><p>Stay in a group and you will always do well in PvE and PvP as a coercer - fact</p></blockquote>If that were the ONLY problem with coercers had in pvp it wouldn't be so bad.  But yeh, Siphar nailed it, charming in PVP is not worth even casting.

[Sigunn]

The only charm worth casting in pvp is the one you get as an AA endline skill.

[MokiCh]

I haven't bothered with charming players for a long time now, but I do recall being able to give players commands like attack or follow me. That being said, charm has a huge cast time, gets resisted a lot, and in T7/T8 lasts a maximum of ~15-20 seconds, usually much less. Charming mobs in PvP is much more effective, especially when solo