Tailors are having a tough time...

[Goldmember.]

For this expansion, I set out to be the first level 80 Tailor on my server.... I made my goal by a long shot. I made almost every disco to be had for tailors. Great huh? Not really. I have been silently building up anger for the past week as I have sold little to nothing I have made and placed on the broker, and make hardly any consigned deals. Everyone asks for links when I broadcast level 80 Tailor LFW.... when I send the link, they say hmmm it is not good enough to spend coin on or ok THANKS but NO THANKS etc.. Why not at least make the t8 hex dolls go to 18-20 (agi, str, sta, wis, or INT) instead of the crap plus one making it15 now?Come ON! "Rare" root on my server is 30gp most the time because no one wants them or are using them aside from the tradeskillers that use them to level on. I have people that have made 100's of platinum off of the expansion already from whoring rare loams, shineys, quests etc, but I Tradeskill and cannot make much at all - There is something wrong with that. No one wants this stuff, not even the cloaks.

[Liyle]

Grats on your 80!I have to admit that when the price of t8 bags hit cost of fuel within days of the expansion, I tossed my 70 Tailor into the bin with my Weaponsmith and Woodworker; my husband has done the same with his Armorer. We're going forward with the Prov and Scholars since they can make the food and spells we need for ourselves and do writs for the guild, but there's no point in grinding piles of garbage just to have a useless 80 Outfitter on the trophy wall. She's been reassigned to Harvesting.

[Lilj]

I'm in the same boat as you two. But I fear we as tailors won't be getting much attention. Every time a tailor mentions he have troubles selling his wares, someone will always come in and say 'oh, but you have backpacks, so you can sell stuff'. No one mentions that to sell the backpacks you have to sell it for a few silver above fuelcost.I see all 3 outfitters as having problems, but most focus on weaponsmith and armorer, because tailors have so many recipes and can sell bags/hexdolls.I wonder if this amazing bag/doll selling is becoming an urban myth <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But I can still hope, and I'm glad you are bringing it up, because I do think we need some help just like the 2 other outfitters.

[Amataelia]

Hmmm, I did the same as the OP, raced to 80 and so far it is paying off for me in a great way.  I'm not only selling 6-10 pieces of MC'ed gear every day but I also tend to sell a few pieces of HANDCRAFTED gear every day.........yes I said handcrafted LOL!I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing the same issue as you are, I'm not making 100's of plat a day but I do average 15-20pp a day in sales.  I'm turning that over investing in more rares and making a decent profit.  Personally, I think we have great items to offer and I'm happy with what tailors got in T8.I hope things turn around for you, I understand how frustrating it can be.........I have an armorer also and I truly believe they are the ones who need some serious help.And for the record, I never even make backpacks to sell, after grinding those things out back in the subcombine days, I refuse to make them unless I need them personally or a guildie asks for some LOL!!

[Belaythien]

If you complain as a tailor you are doing something very wrong. I don't know any other class that has as many great adornments and these things just rake in the money <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/97ada74b88049a6d50a6ed40898a03d7.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Eldcen]

I agree.  There is no demand for T8 Mastercrafted tailor stuff.  I don't raid (or really even group much outside of guild), so my gear is really not great.  I was pleasantly surprised with the awesome quest rewards in RoK, and by the time I was a level 72 adventurer, most of my gear had been replaced - by quest rewards of all things.  With this is mind, I was really looking forward to leveling my tailor (really my main crafter), thinking if the quest rewards were this good, the T8 Mastercrafted caster gear must be really great.  Wrong.It's pretty sad when at adventure level 72, I've already received many better quest rewards than I can possibly make as a tailor.  There is no demand for our stuff.  I have a friend whom I've always kept outfitted in the latest MC gear for her tier (she's a fury).  I offered to make her some new gear, but when I linked it she said "Well, thanks but that's not really an upgrade from my quested gear".I was hoping that crafted gear might even be improved to be made more relevant in T8, but really it's worse - at least the tailored gear is.  There is no demand for it at all when *everyone* can get better quested gear by level 72.  Most rares on my server are going from 80g, up to 7p each (for Silicate Loams).  How much is the cheapest root right now on the broker?  30g.  That's a big indication of a problem right there.And as for adornments?  Yeah, that's nice, but be real - that's not tailored stuff.  The items that we can sell the best and for the best profit shouldn't be magical items that were tacked on to our tradeskill class.  No real tailors make magical fasteners.

[leiela]

<p>Also Adornments don't really help tailors who arn't transmuters, granted i have a transmuter but i know plently of tailors who don't <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </p>

[Wallzak]

Lvl 79 tailor... sold 38 plat last night... nuff said.

[Kosh]

<p>Crafting in this game for the most part is dead.</p><p>Sony killed it during the Beghn era. It was sacrificed on the alter of poor itemization.</p><p>I still occasionally do it for fun but that's about it. </p>

[Amphibia]

<cite>Wallzak wrote:</cite><blockquote>Lvl 79 tailor... sold 38 plat last night... nuff said.</blockquote>... and how much plats did you spend making the stuff you sold?  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Wallzak]

profit... easily halfI have a 80 armourer and 79 tailor.  Since last Saturday my sales off these two toons has been over 200 plat (broker sales).  Profit is harder to guess... again, half would be safe.

[Wallzak]

Let me explain myself further.Some of the MC stuff... is crap, or some of the MC stuff is not worth upgrading till you got nothing else left to upgrade and you want to spend $$ (ie if I had t7 hex dolls, why would I upgrade to t8 just for 1 point, but if I had t6 then maybe), some of the stuff is making even raiders look at they're weaker existing t7 fabled stuff and wondering, and at times upgrading to t8 MC.You may be thinking "raiders", yes raiders on certain pieces... go figure.

[Eldcen]

The problem here really isn't how much you can make.  I don't use tradeskills to make money.  If you are a high level (near 80) tailor, you will certainly be able to sell armor to people who don't look at stats a whole lot and just buy it because it's the T8 MC stuff.The problem is that the MC armor isn't as good as low 70s RoK quest rewards - or it's so close that there is no incentive for an intelligent person to shell out plat for MC.  It was depressing to get high enough to make my own MC cloth only to decide not to because the stats weren't as good as, or were close enough to the quest rewards I was already wearing.However that is being discussed in <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=394601" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this thread</a>, and hopefully Domino is taking notes for some improvments.

[Belaythien]

<cite>leiela wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> Also Adornments don't really help tailors who arn't transmuters, granted i have a transmuter but i know plently of tailors who don't <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> </p></blockquote>Of course they do. That's what the broker is for. There are dozens of transmuters undercutting each other's prices. You don't have to create the raws yourself. Even as a transmuter I, from time to time, buy raws on the broker. You don't need to be a transmuter to make adornments.I agree that adornments aren't very Tailor-ish but you've got many very popular ones. In T7 the one and only thing I crafted and sold as a Provisioner for a long time, was a single adornment. Everything else was even less profitable than whatever you can make as a Tailor. Not very Provisioner-ish but it was the only way to make money.

[Lauraliane]

<cite>Goldmember. wrote:</cite><blockquote>No one wants this stuff, not even the cloaks. </blockquote>No one want the 26% haste cloak and the +2% base dmg on spells one ? Are you joking?The first one is basically a cloak of flame and the second one is by FAR the best cloak in game atm for casters, +2% base dmg is HUGE, it affects all your spells and will increase their "+spell dmg cap" at the same time.Unless of course you are trying to sell them for 4+ plat or so...like a few stupid tailors on my server, you won't sell a master crafted item for 3+ plat when you are saying yourself that a rare root is only 30 gold.

[bks6721]

I feel as if I'm way behind the curve or something.  I sell stuff to make money, but I spend most of it trying to keep my main geared.  I'm at lvl 51, in mastercrafted with adept 3 or better.. and I have 2p to my name.  I look at the broker and wonder how in the world people can afford t8 mc at 5p per item.  I haven't blown money on collections or horses or housing..  When I see people claim to have spent 200p to level in trades from 70 to 80 I wonder how I'll ever be able to do that.  The MOST I've ever had at one time was are 20p but buying gear at lvl 42 wiped me out.   I'm about 2 years behind since I didn't start at launch.  I'm a provisioner, so if I craft for a couple hours I can make 20g a day.  That just doesn't add up very fast.  I harvest alot and sell off the rares so I can afford spell upgrades so my plat doesn't ever get a chance to build up.  I think people that have played since launch have a huge advantage as they've sat on the level cap a couple times and where able to build a nice bank.  New guys can't do that and simply can't afford mastercrafted most of the time.  They only ones that can afford it are most likely in EoF fabled gear and will snub their noses at it.  As the newer players who didn't get relic or the eof sets level up then maybe more mastercrafted will begin to sell.  I'm not too optimistic about every getting my templar in relic gear.. I missed that opportunity by being behind the level cap curve.so give me a couple more months and I'll probably be in the market for t8 mc if I can afford it.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Terron]

<cite>bks6721 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I feel as if I'm way behind the curve or something.  I sell stuff to make money, but I spend most of it trying to keep my main geared.  I'm at lvl 51, in mastercrafted with adept 3 or better.. and I have 2p to my name.  I look at the broker and wonder how in the world people can afford t8 mc at 5p per item.  I haven't blown money on collections or horses or housing..  When I see people claim to have spent 200p to level in trades from 70 to 80 I wonder how I'll ever be able to do that.  The MOST I've ever had at one time was are 20p but buying gear at lvl 42 wiped me out. </blockquote>I have been playing for over 2 years and have never had 20p at one time. Until this week none of my toons had ever had 4p at one time. Now 2 of them have over 5p. My main has got that mostly from questing in RoK. My woodworker has got that mostly from selling Jaguar totems (which seem to be selling faster than hot cakes).

[Lilj]

So tailors are ok, because they have some cool adornments?Uhm, ok. Remember to suggest this in the threads where people complain about the two other outfitters.We just fix all three classes, by giving them good adornments. Gotcha.

[Calthine]

<cite>Liljna wrote:</cite><blockquote>So tailors are ok, because they have some cool adornments?Uhm, ok. Remember to suggest this in the threads where people complain about the two other outfitters.We just fix all three classes, by giving them good adornments. Gotcha.</blockquote>*snort*

[Amataelia]

I don't think he is saying tailors are ok just because we have a nice selection of adornments. However, it is a very viable way to make cash as a tailor, so are the cloaks, hex dolls and yes, even our armor.  I can't keep the mc'ed gi's and brawler leather on the shelves.  I sell at least one set of that a day, not counting orders I take from people looking to hire a tailor.  As in every other tier prior to this one, there will always be those few select items that sell really well, it's up to you as a crafter to figure out what is in demand on your server.  I also move both cloth sets quite well, and as a 72 wizzy, I have yet to receive any quested treasured gear for my level that is better than either set I can make.  I foresee myself wearing my mc'ed gear until I can build enough faction and possibly buy better or quest into higher zones and get better gear that way..........which is the way it is designed to be.  I'm not trying to say I don't want even better gear, of course I would love better gear but I do feel it is balanced right where it should be for the tailored mc'ed items.As for the other outfitters?  Yes, both weaponsmiths and armorers need a huge boost in their items, mitigation is too low on armor and both need nice effects added to them like tailors have on their armor.Also to the OP, are you throwing your LFW tag up?  Are you advertising in chat channels? (edited: I reread your original post and see that you are)