Why are so many wardens near top of the pvp rankings?

[Yort]

i'm just curious... my understanding is: they are main healers How can so many be near top? is it solo pvp, group pvp, or is something i'm missing?why wisdom instead of int, we are doing melee dmg?

[convict]

<cite>Yort wrote:</cite><blockquote>i'm just curious... my understanding is: they are main healers How can so many be near top? is it solo pvp, group pvp, or is something i'm missing?also, i rolled a necromancer, lvl 21 and i get PWN sauced by any melee character.  does this get better with time or are they [Removed for Content] pvp? i see, literally 1 on the pvp charts, top 20 in all catagories.</blockquote>Thats because eq2 pvp is broken.. If you want to win, just roll any scout or a druid..

[Hinosh]

<cite>convict wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Yort wrote:</cite><blockquote>i'm just curious... my understanding is: they are main healers How can so many be near top? is it solo pvp, group pvp, or is something i'm missing?also, i rolled a necromancer, lvl 21 and i get PWN sauced by any melee character.  does this get better with time or are they [Removed for Content] pvp? i see, literally 1 on the pvp charts, top 20 in all catagories.</blockquote>Thats because eq2 pvp is broken.. If you want to win, just roll any scout or a druid..</blockquote>Wrong. If you want to win, get a group together. No scout or druid could beat you then, unless they were in a group, too.

[ladyvengeance]

<p>Yeah, get a group. Druids are massively overpowered. Their heal spells have a very small recast timer which makes them uber, especially in T2. </p><p>As for the OP's other query, Necros don't get good until about 24. That's when you get your new pet and it's also when you get your nuke, lifetap. Before that, Necros pretty much suck. </p>

[Gimet]

<p>I resent people saying Druids are overpowered. Wardens it...Furies not so much if you can stop us from casting SoT or kill us before we can cast it.</p><p>Wardens are the ones with unlimited power to the point where they heal your damage until you have no power. After that they just constantly nuke you. And throughout their levels they sure do get pets/trees to help them heal and do damage. Way too much loving to Wardens IMO.</p>

[toenukl]

<cite>Enlocke@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I resent people saying Druids are overpowered. Wardens it...Furies not so much if you can stop us from casting SoT or kill us before we can cast it.</p></blockquote>Yes, if referring to t7/8 please say Warden's from now on. Tired of people of forums saying Druids. If you are referring to lower tiers than Druid would be acceptable. thnx.

[Darkor]

<p>My fury gets beaten by Rangers, Swashys, warlocks, Mystics and Illusionist on a regular basis. Many other classes like Troubador, Berserkers and monks can also give me a hella hard time. In no way would i say i have an easy game unless my opponent is a total newb.</p><p>Please S T O P mixing up Wardens and Furys. Furys do not have unlimited heal power, we do run out of power or die before we get to out heal the dps. We do not have Sandstorm which is one of the coolest spells against scouts. We dont have Tranquilitiy which cures the debuffs and heals for each cured debuff for 500. </p><p>Druids might be overpowered in T2/3. In T7/8 the warden is ten times better than a fury when it comes to healing and powermanagement.</p>

[Elephanton]

<cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My fury gets beaten by Rangers, Swashys, warlocks, Mystics and Illusionist on a regular basis. Many other classes like Troubador, Berserkers and monks can also give me a hella hard time. In no way would i say i have an easy game unless my opponent is a total newb.</p></blockquote>This is only because you suck, as we all know from you posts where you described your typical fights

[Elephanton]

<cite>ladyvengeance wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As for the OP's other query, Necros don't get good until about 24. That's when you get your new pet and it's also when you get your nuke, lifetap. Before that, Necros pretty much suck. </p></blockquote>Both things happen at 20 actually.

[Darkor]

<cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My fury gets beaten by Rangers, Swashys, warlocks, Mystics and Illusionist on a regular basis. Many other classes like Troubador, Berserkers and monks can also give me a hella hard time. In no way would i say i have an easy game unless my opponent is a total newb.</p></blockquote>This is only because you suck, as we all know from you posts where you described your typical fights</blockquote><p>4k kills, 500 deaths</p><p><img src="http://www.ajjantis.de/zanydarkor1.jpg" alt="" width="1280" height="964" border="0" /></p><p>I think i am the worst fury ever then! Long live sucking.</p>

[Darkor]

<p>Edit: double post</p>

[Amphibia]

Tired of hearing the "get a group" arguement - nobody should <b>have</b> to get a group to do ok in PvP. If that is the case, then the developers should really try to bring better balance to the game. Otherwise we will end up with everyone rolling warden, SK, ranger, brigand or swashbuckler because the other 19 classes suck in comparison. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/2e207fad049d4d292f60607f80f05768.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[soibit]

so funny to read pvp forums.... this game isnt made for pvp hehe it's not gonna get changed much.

[ValashokCatcaller]

<cite>soibitum wrote:</cite><blockquote>so funny to read pvp forums.... this game isnt made for pvp hehe it's not gonna get changed much.</blockquote>It is hilarious.  I have played pretty much every class in the game to 20, and had a positive kill to death ratio on all of them.  The biggest problem I see is that people will start with a class, and then try to play that class across all of the other classes.  Each class has inherent strengths and weaknesses, and you need to learn to play up the strengths while minimizing the weaknesses.  Some classes just are not made to roll solo, while others excel in that role.  If you want to solo, play a solo class.  If you want to group, play a group class.  There is no "I win" class however.  As far as wardens in the top, I can tell you why: Root.  My wife and I Duo a templar and a warden.  She actually kicks my [Removed for Content] in healing and matches me for damage output, however, she cannot root, I can.  So when we run into the inevitable runners, , I am able to lock them down while she goes to town on them.  However, were she solo, they would get away from her as she would have no inherent run speed other than a SoW totem or horse, and no way of stopping the ganker coward exiles that run away if they do not kill you in the first round of attacks.

[Krokous]

warden like maybe the only class can destroy any scout or gerular basis

[ValashokCatcaller]

<cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote>warden like maybe the only class can destroy any scout or gerular basis</blockquote>Try any healer.  Druids are just able to stop them when they run because they did not get a first round kill.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Tired of hearing the "get a group" arguement - nobody should <b>have</b> to get a group to do ok in PvP. </blockquote>Why'd we send so many troops over to Iraq if a single soldier should be just as efficient against greater numbers?

[PeaSy1]

defiler >>> warden

[Amphibia]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote>Tired of hearing the "get a group" arguement - nobody should <b>have</b> to get a group to do ok in PvP. </blockquote>Why'd we send so many troops over to Iraq if a single soldier should be just as efficient against greater numbers?</blockquote>Don't even go there. This is a computer game. It takes place in a digital fantasy world. People pay to have fun playing it, so whether you prefer group or solo play shouldn't matter... and what on earth has any of this got to do with wars in real life?

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Don't even go there. This is a computer game. It takes place in a digital fantasy world. People pay to have fun playing it, so whether you prefer group or solo play shouldn't matter... and what on earth has any of this got to do with wars in real life? </blockquote>Its an example of schematics. While I don't enjoy being ganked anymore than the next person. The advantage of numbers is relevant.No.. you shouldn't be "forced" to group. That's your choice. But, you shouldn't expect to be able to compete against groups if that is in fact the choice you make.

[Amphibia]

<cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Don't even go there. This is a computer game. It takes place in a digital fantasy world. People pay to have fun playing it, so whether you prefer group or solo play shouldn't matter... and what on earth has any of this got to do with wars in real life? </blockquote>Its an example of schematics. While I don't enjoy being ganked anymore than the next person. The advantage of numbers is relevant.No.. you shouldn't be "forced" to group. That's your choice. But, you shouldn't expect to be able to compete against groups if that is in fact the choice you make.</blockquote>This is getting off track now...I do not in any way expect to be able to compete with a group. But I would prefer to have an equal opportunity to advance in the game as other classes solo. All classes should be viable as such. But right now this is not the fact, sadly. Some classes are far more powerful than others, due to damage, general survivability, track, evac etc...  which is why there are a billion wardens, rangers, swashies, SK's and brigands out there and very few others. Especially evac is a necessary ability with the current fame system. Without it, you'll get ganked over and over - it is so simple, and so unbalanced.

[Svetlanavera]

<cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote>warden like maybe the only class can destroy any scout or gerular basis</blockquote>That is not true in the slightest.  I can generally destroy any solo scout that is within that +/- 8 level range if they don't run.   The have some big damage but I don't let them get behind me and reactives ftw!  With the aa's I have put into my nukes and dots I can cast like an npc and blessings lets me proc like a mofo.  If they don't run they are dead pretty plain and simple.  Also, sometimes when I have my sneaky root item they are dead even when they run.  <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Rather than whining about the wardens being too overpowered why not take the time to truly learn the strengths and weakness of your class and use them to your best advantage. 

[Krokous]

<cite>Svetlanavera wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote>warden like maybe the only class can destroy any scout or gerular basis</blockquote>That is not true in the slightest.  I can generally destroy any solo scout that is within that +/- 8 level range if they don't run.   The have some big damage but I don't let them get behind me and reactives ftw!  With the aa's I have put into my nukes and dots I can cast like an npc and blessings lets me proc like a mofo.  If they don't run they are dead pretty plain and simple.  Also, sometimes when I have my sneaky root item they are dead even when they run.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> Rather than whining about the wardens being too overpowered why not take the time to truly learn the strengths and weakness of your class and use them to your best advantage.  </blockquote>i dont care what says lvl 35 lock. keep moving.

[Svetlanavera]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Don't even go there. This is a computer game. It takes place in a digital fantasy world. People pay to have fun playing it, so whether you prefer group or solo play shouldn't matter... and what on earth has any of this got to do with wars in real life? </blockquote>Its an example of schematics. While I don't enjoy being ganked anymore than the next person. The advantage of numbers is relevant.No.. you shouldn't be "forced" to group. That's your choice. But, you shouldn't expect to be able to compete against groups if that is in fact the choice you make.</blockquote>This is getting off track now...I do not in any way expect to be able to compete with a group. <b>But I would prefer to have an equal opportunity to advance in the game as other classes solo.</b> All classes should be viable as such. But right now this is not the fact, sadly. Some classes are far more powerful than others, due to damage, general survivability, track, evac etc...  which is why there are a billion wardens, rangers, swashies, SK's and brigands out there and very few others. Especially evac is a necessary ability with the current fame system. Without it, you'll get ganked over and over - it is so simple, and so unbalanced. </blockquote>First, advancing in the game and advancing the few little things you can advance through PvP are two completely different things.  There are many, many options out there that you can viably use to advance in the game solo.  Which is what you are saying you want.  So, I am left to make the assumption what you really want is to advance your title and faction so you can buy PvP gear.  If your game play experience is affected by these things then you need to spend more time figuring out what your class does the best and the worst.  Then work on strengthing the best and negating the worst.  Every class had a weakness.  As a templar, I cannot root and that is major weakness.  I can negate that weakness by feeding my plant and getting root roots.  Every character class weakness has a way to counterbalance it.  You just have to find it.  Why is evac a necessity?  I have never played a character with it or even group with someone that had it.  I have made it to lvl 36 and have a decent kill to death ratio.  Sure, I am not that the guy that has the highest kill vs death ration in the game, who cares?  If you are getting so angry and upset about something like that or a title then you need to step back and re-evaluate your <b>real life</b> priorities.  Deriving your self worth from what your title is or how hard you pwned that noob in EQ2 is not healthy. 

[Svetlanavera]

<cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>i dont care what says lvl 35 lock. keep moving.</blockquote>What?  You are not making any sense in your above statement. Also, why do you post to the boards if you don't want to hear what other people have to say?  I am sorry that I did not agree with your original statement that only wardens can beat scouts solo but it is obviously not true.  I am more than willing to have a discussion with you and to help you figure out way you can be better at PvP with your particular character class but you have to be willing to realize that it is possible.  Or, you can continue whining on the boards about wardens (this week).  What class will it be next week?  Will the pendulum swing back to furies or maybe you can change it up a bit and complain how templars are too overpowered.  Make your decision, play the game and learn how to play your class to their best advantage or spend all your time feeling like you are getting the short end of the stick but everyone else has something cooler than you (when in truth you have your own really cool thing that you obviously are not taking advantage of) and feeling sorry for yourself.

[ValashokCatcaller]

<cite>Svetlanavera wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>i dont care what says lvl 35 lock. keep moving.</blockquote>What?  You are not making any sense in your above statement. Also, why do you post to the boards if you don't want to hear what other people have to say?  I am sorry that I did not agree with your original statement that only wardens can beat scouts solo but it is obviously not true.  I am more than willing to have a discussion with you and to help you figure out way you can be better at PvP with your particular character class but you have to be willing to realize that it is possible.  Or, you can continue whining on the boards about wardens (this week).  What class will it be next week?  Will the pendulum swing back to furies or maybe you can change it up a bit and complain how templars are too overpowered.  Make your decision, play the game and learn how to play your class to their best advantage or spend all your time feeling like you are getting the short end of the stick but everyone else has something cooler than you (when in truth you have your own really cool thing that you obviously are not taking advantage of) and feeling sorry for yourself. </blockquote>Shush you, there is no place for sane and logical conversation on the PVP boards!

[Svetlanavera]

<cite>Camille@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Shush you, there is no place for sane and logical conversation on the PVP boards!</blockquote>The logic....<b><i>IT BURNS  IT BURNS</i></b>

[Krokous]

<cite>Svetlanavera wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>i dont care what says lvl 35 lock. keep moving.</blockquote>What?  You are not making any sense in your above statement. Also, why do you post to the boards if you don't want to hear what other people have to say?  I am sorry that I did not agree with your original statement that only wardens can beat scouts solo but it is obviously not true.  I am more than willing to have a discussion with you and to help you figure out way you can be better at PvP with your particular character class but you have to be willing to realize that it is possible.  Or, you can continue whining on the boards about wardens (this week).  What class will it be next week?  Will the pendulum swing back to furies or maybe you can change it up a bit and complain how templars are too overpowered.  Make your decision, play the game and learn how to play your class to their best advantage or spend all your time feeling like you are getting the short end of the stick but everyone else has something cooler than you (when in truth you have your own really cool thing that you obviously are not taking advantage of) and feeling sorry for yourself. </blockquote>you are so annoying.  low level pvp is WERY unbalanced   i dont know a class that can (for example)  destroy fury in t3-t4    (yeah maybe sk but once in 15m)  same as i dont expect scouts destroying twinked healers in t4 (where you are now)  and yes I or lets say WE dont care about  completely FUZZY opinions of a some lvl 35 ganker.   MOST of population is in t7-8 now

[dellaripa]

<p>Whether warderns are overpowered is very much up to debate.</p><p> However, they get key skills that put them at a great advantage:</p><p>1-heals (best pvp heals in the game)</p><p>2-root, which can be uberized even more through aa.</p><p>3-55% runspeed with jboots.</p><p>4-root immunity.</p><p>5-sandstorm</p><p>6-melee CAs with crit.</p><p>7-chain+ mitigation while wearing leather</p><p>8-huge wisdom buffs, which give them a greater choice of equipment.</p><p>9-Spores.</p><p>10-evac</p><p>I'm sure I'm missing a few key abilities, but as you can see, they can survive, they can kill, and just as important they can escape.  Basically the only thing they're missing is Harm TOuch and track.  </p>

[Amphibia]

<cite>Svetlanavera wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Spyderbite@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>Don't even go there. This is a computer game. It takes place in a digital fantasy world. People pay to have fun playing it, so whether you prefer group or solo play shouldn't matter... and what on earth has any of this got to do with wars in real life? </blockquote>Its an example of schematics. While I don't enjoy being ganked anymore than the next person. The advantage of numbers is relevant.No.. you shouldn't be "forced" to group. That's your choice. But, you shouldn't expect to be able to compete against groups if that is in fact the choice you make.</blockquote>This is getting off track now...I do not in any way expect to be able to compete with a group. <b>But I would prefer to have an equal opportunity to advance in the game as other classes solo.</b> All classes should be viable as such. But right now this is not the fact, sadly. Some classes are far more powerful than others, due to damage, general survivability, track, evac etc...  which is why there are a billion wardens, rangers, swashies, SK's and brigands out there and very few others. Especially evac is a necessary ability with the current fame system. Without it, you'll get ganked over and over - it is so simple, and so unbalanced. </blockquote>First, advancing in the game and advancing the few little things you can advance through PvP are two completely different things.  There are many, many options out there that you can viably use to advance in the game solo.  Which is what you are saying you want.  So, I am left to make the assumption what you really want is to advance your title and faction so you can buy PvP gear.  If your game play experience is affected by these things then you need to spend more time figuring out what your class does the best and the worst.  Then work on strengthing the best and negating the worst.  Every class had a weakness.  As a templar, I cannot root and that is major weakness.  I can negate that weakness by feeding my plant and getting root roots.  Every character class weakness has a way to counterbalance it.  You just have to find it.  Why is evac a necessity?  I have never played a character with it or even group with someone that had it.  I have made it to lvl 36 and have a decent kill to death ratio.  Sure, I am not that the guy that has the highest kill vs death ration in the game, who cares?  If you are getting so angry and upset about something like that or a title then you need to step back and re-evaluate your <b>real life</b> priorities.  Deriving your self worth from what your title is or how hard you pwned that noob in EQ2 is not healthy.  </blockquote>Wow.... This is probably one of the most dimwitted posts I've ever read. I'm not angry, and sense of self worth is just fine. Thanks for the concern, though you can spare the personal attacks. And this isn't about me or you, we are merely discussing the game mechanics here. If you can't tell the difference, then you shouldn't post here at all. Secondly, some of us play this game to PvP. As such, the PvP rewards is something we aim for. Those include gear and titles. The fame system rewards those who are not only good at killing other players, but also good at getting away. In higher tiers, that means having an evac button. It is as if the title system is designed for them, and kind of ignores the 15 other classes that have that option. It's a class balance issue, and pointing it out is called providing feedback. That is partly what this board is for. And lastly, you play a level 35 templar. I'm sorry, but if this is your highest level toon, you should refrain from commenting on issues related to T7/8, because have no idea what that is about. Personally, I will take advise from someone who actually knows what they're talking about any day, but I somehow doubt you fall into that category. Here's a Mark Twain quote for you: "It's better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."Have a nice day!

[Svetlanavera]

<cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>you are so annoying.  low level pvp is WERY unbalanced   i dont know a class that can (for example)  destroy fury in t3-t4    (yeah maybe sk but once in 15m)  same as i dont expect scouts destroying twinked healers in t4 (where you are now)  and yes I or lets say WE dont care about  completely FUZZY opinions of a some lvl 35 ganker.   MOST of population is in t7-8 now</blockquote>I am annoying because I voice an opinion that is different from your own and offer you help.  That is a great attitude to have in this world.  It will definitely get you far.How are my opinions fuzzy?  I can tangibly show you in the game environment that what I am saying is fact.  It is your choice to ignore the fact and continue to live in a world where you are angry and bitter about a game.  Also, I am a level 36 templar now.  Got it last night and the signatures take 24 hours to update.  *shrug*  Where would you even come close to thinking I am a ganker?  I have a 3.6 kill vs death ration and only a Slayer title, which I seem to lose every time I turn around.  I duo with my husband and we never go out searching for PvP.  We spend our time questing, harvesting, and crafting so we can make gear and spells for ourselves.   

[zorros]

<cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Svetlanavera wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>i dont care what says lvl 35 lock. keep moving.</blockquote>What?  You are not making any sense in your above statement. Also, why do you post to the boards if you don't want to hear what other people have to say?  I am sorry that I did not agree with your original statement that only wardens can beat scouts solo but it is obviously not true.  I am more than willing to have a discussion with you and to help you figure out way you can be better at PvP with your particular character class but you have to be willing to realize that it is possible.  Or, you can continue whining on the boards about wardens (this week).  What class will it be next week?  Will the pendulum swing back to furies or maybe you can change it up a bit and complain how templars are too overpowered.  Make your decision, play the game and learn how to play your class to their best advantage or spend all your time feeling like you are getting the short end of the stick but everyone else has something cooler than you (when in truth you have your own really cool thing that you obviously are not taking advantage of) and feeling sorry for yourself. </blockquote>you are so annoying.  low level pvp is WERY unbalanced   <span style="font-size: medium;">i dont know a class that can (for example)  destroy fury in t3-t4    (yeah maybe sk but once in 15m)</span>  same as i dont expect scouts destroying twinked healers in t4 (where you are now)  and yes I or lets say WE dont care about  completely FUZZY opinions of a some lvl 35 ganker.   MOST of population is in t7-8 now</blockquote>Coercers destroys furys t3-t4.Not once did i ever lose to any healers when i was in that lvl range.

[Krokous]

<cite>Itscrackerjack@Nagafen wrote:</cite><cite></cite><blockquote>Coercers destroys furys t3-t4.Not once did i ever lose to any healers when i was in that lvl range.</blockquote>maybe on lvl 40 with spell lash.  in t4 fury takes you down with exactly 2 thunderbolts (or 1 bolt and 2 dots)

[Amphibia]

<cite>Svetlanavera wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>you are so annoying.  low level pvp is WERY unbalanced   i dont know a class that can (for example)  destroy fury in t3-t4    (yeah maybe sk but once in 15m)  same as i dont expect scouts destroying twinked healers in t4 (where you are now)  and yes I or lets say WE dont care about  completely FUZZY opinions of a some lvl 35 ganker.   MOST of population is in t7-8 now</blockquote>I am annoying because I voice an opinion that is different from your own and offer you help.  That is a great attitude to have in this world.  It will definitely get you far.How are my opinions fuzzy?  I can tangibly show you in the game environment that what I am saying is fact.  It is your choice to ignore the fact and continue to live in a world where you are angry and bitter about a game.  Also, I am a level 36 templar now.  Got it last night and the signatures take 24 hours to update.  *shrug*  Where would you even come close to thinking I am a ganker?  I have a 3.6 kill vs death ration and only a Slayer title, which I seem to lose every time I turn around.  I duo with my husband and we never go out searching for PvP.  We spend our time questing, harvesting, and crafting so we can make gear and spells for ourselves.    </blockquote>You're unbelievable.If you prefer to just harvest, quest and never look for PvP, that is fine. Great for you! That's <i>your</i> playstyle, and I'm happy to hear you're enjoying the game. But your playstyle is not necessarily better than everyone elses, is it? And I'm sure your "help" will be appreciated for what it is worth. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[Notsovilepriest]

<cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>ElephantonRU wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Ajjantis wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>My fury gets beaten by Rangers, Swashys, warlocks, Mystics and Illusionist on a regular basis. Many other classes like Troubador, Berserkers and monks can also give me a hella hard time. In no way would i say i have an easy game unless my opponent is a total newb.</p></blockquote>This is only because you suck, as we all know from you posts where you described your typical fights</blockquote><p>4k kills, 500 deaths</p><p><img src="http://www.ajjantis.de/zanydarkor1.jpg" border="0" alt="" width="1280" height="964" /></p><p>I think i am the worst fury ever then! Long live sucking.</p></blockquote>Don't let this fool you people, Ajjantis enjoys long walks on the beach, zerging, and using spys to get any of his kills, Also having people on the opposing side feed him fame. Zany is also a joke too who can't even beat a Warlock w/o manasheild as a bruiser. Need I say more?

[Svetlanavera]

So, because someone currently doesn't have a level 70/80 character their opinion does not matter and they shouldn't bother posting to the boards?  That is complete [Removed for Content].  Just because people aren't rushing to get to t8 doesn't mean they know nothing about the game.  Sometimes people might want to take a step back and listen to someone other than yourself because all you are doing is working yourselves into tizzies and failing to realize there are things you can do in the game to work around the things you are whining about.

[Amphibia]

<cite>Svetlanavera wrote:</cite><blockquote>So, because someone currently doesn't have a level 70/80 character their opinion does not matter and they shouldn't bother posting to the boards?  That is complete [I cannot control my vocabulary].  Just because people aren't rushing to get to t8 doesn't mean they know nothing about the game.  Sometimes people might want to take a step back and listen to someone other than yourself because all you are doing is working yourselves into tizzies and failing to realize there are things you can do in the game to work around the things you are whining about. </blockquote>So you're the lone voice of reason, then? Oh, look who's angry now.... maybe it is time for you to step back and reconsider your priorities? This is hardly worth getting so worked up about, now is it? You are right though, there are workarounds for a lot of things. But some things are simply very unbalanced, especially at higher tiers - and if we can't discuss that here on the official PvP discussion board, where are we supposed to do it? Of course you can post here regardless of your in-game level. What makes your posts annoying is that you talk down to people, and it also appears as if you think you already know everything about something you have yet to experience. As a level 36 player, you cannot offer <b>any</b> advise to a level 70/80 player. You understand that, right? It is a whole different ballgame, with far more spells/skills and AA abilities, clickies, tinker items, pots and other things to take into consideration that you haven't even seen yet. And don't make the mistake of assuming that all current level 70 players rushed their way to the cap - the PvP servers have been there for 1.5 years. That's all.

[ValashokCatcaller]

<cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Svetlanavera wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>i dont care what says lvl 35 lock. keep moving.</blockquote>What?  You are not making any sense in your above statement. Also, why do you post to the boards if you don't want to hear what other people have to say?  I am sorry that I did not agree with your original statement that only wardens can beat scouts solo but it is obviously not true.  I am more than willing to have a discussion with you and to help you figure out way you can be better at PvP with your particular character class but you have to be willing to realize that it is possible.  Or, you can continue whining on the boards about wardens (this week).  What class will it be next week?  Will the pendulum swing back to furies or maybe you can change it up a bit and complain how templars are too overpowered.  Make your decision, play the game and learn how to play your class to their best advantage or spend all your time feeling like you are getting the short end of the stick but everyone else has something cooler than you (when in truth you have your own really cool thing that you obviously are not taking advantage of) and feeling sorry for yourself. </blockquote>you are so annoying.  low level pvp is WERY unbalanced   i dont know a class that can (for example)  destroy fury in t3-t4    (yeah maybe sk but once in 15m)  same as i dont expect scouts destroying twinked healers in t4 (where you are now)  and yes I or lets say WE dont care about  completely FUZZY opinions of a some lvl 35 ganker.   MOST of population is in t7-8 now</blockquote>Translation from n00b:You proved me wrong so I am going to invalidate your argument by using <i>ad hominem</i> attacks, talking out of my rear (Ohs Noes, teh furies are immortal in t3 4 *snerk*) and generally act like a child.Seriously, grow up, quit whining, and learn to disagree civilly.

[Krokous]

<cite>Camille@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Svetlanavera wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Krokous wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>i dont care what says lvl 35 lock. keep moving.</blockquote>What?  You are not making any sense in your above statement. Also, why do you post to the boards if you don't want to hear what other people have to say?  I am sorry that I did not agree with your original statement that only wardens can beat scouts solo but it is obviously not true.  I am more than willing to have a discussion with you and to help you figure out way you can be better at PvP with your particular character class but you have to be willing to realize that it is possible.  Or, you can continue whining on the boards about wardens (this week).  What class will it be next week?  Will the pendulum swing back to furies or maybe you can change it up a bit and complain how templars are too overpowered.  Make your decision, play the game and learn how to play your class to their best advantage or spend all your time feeling like you are getting the short end of the stick but everyone else has something cooler than you (when in truth you have your own really cool thing that you obviously are not taking advantage of) and feeling sorry for yourself. </blockquote>you are so annoying.  low level pvp is WERY unbalanced   i dont know a class that can (for example)  destroy fury in t3-t4    (yeah maybe sk but once in 15m)  same as i dont expect scouts destroying twinked healers in t4 (where you are now)  and yes I or lets say WE dont care about  completely FUZZY opinions of a some lvl 35 ganker.   MOST of population is in t7-8 now</blockquote>Translation from n00b:You proved me wrong so I am going to invalidate your argument by using <i>ad hominem</i> attacks, talking out of my rear (Ohs Noes, teh furies are immortal in t3 4 *snerk*) and generally act like a child.Seriously, grow up, quit whining, and learn to disagree civilly.</blockquote>you cant prove me wrong simply beacuse you both guys have ABSOLUTELY no clue how is pvp in endgame. keep moving both of you

[Yort]

thx for hijacking my thread...

[zaltar]

Alright , before this thread gets locked since you guys are turning it into a flame fest let me just say,To the scholar who can`t post the correct size screen shot , take some time and learn how to scale down to theproper format , I don`t like having to do horizontal scrolling in order to read every post because you think youravatars look cool.Anyone can create what appears to be a good pvp record by always running in a gank group to rack up kills andavoid death which has nothing to do with class balance. Having a good record or title is a farce that has nothing to do with being skilled at pvp and everyone knows it so really , cut the bs.People have been calling wardens , furies and scouts the best pvp classes and overpowered since I can remember , even in otherforums it`s the same thing.I have never played any of these.Overall , any class in the right hands can beat any class , some are just easier to pvp with than others which has more to do witha carry over of pve abilities than anything else.   ( A class is only as good as the person playing it )They all have their strengths and weaknesses.I won`t rule out the balance issues entirely because I agree that some have a slight advantage over others but I view this as beingeasy versus hard rather than overpowered versus underpowered.If you choose a harder to play class then expect to rely on technique more to win than anything else.To the OP , the answer to your question is because Warden is a very popular choice in pvp , they have some of the best healsin the game . The reason they list is not because they are the super class , but because like Furies , there are hundreds of themrunning around out there so naturally you see more of them listed compared to other classes.            

[Tugatug]

LOL i'm noob i'll admit it, but it was funny as [Removed for Content] when I was rolling in my severely undergeared lvl 13 ratonga brig with like 450 hp. A lvl 14 twink warden jumped me and I was able to get away even after going toe to toe for a few CAs then running away and survived the roots. (4 ppl that haven't been in T2 for a while, my 14 Inq has 970 hp)Did that twice to the same guy then finally a lvl 18 came owned him, so he logged on his freep toon and started [Removed for Content] me out about not letting him kill me. I got a kick out of it! For some reason he thinks the undergeared should be free rep.Ha i think he might have said how ppl like me are ruining PVP by running away.