Worth replacing ring of frost master 1?

[The-Plethora]

Is there any point in upgrading this? The spell description says something like "resistability increases over level 85" and I cant see it being hugely possible to root things 5 levels higher than current level cap unless it does something signifficant extra.

[Jayingsoo]

<span style="color: #0099cc;">Absolutely! <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />  Although 99% of mobs in RoK will be below 85 anyways, it is always a good idea to upgrade your roots.  From an adept3 version, the Master 1 will allow about, oh say an extra 3% to it's resistability.  Upgrading roots for me is an absolute must.  I often can't afford to have my roots be resisted (I play PvP), so knowing that I have capped subjugation and the best of the best roots, I know that if I do get resisted, it's just a roll of bad luck and that it probably won't happen again any time soon during the fight. If you primarily solo, it's an absolute must for any wizard I'd think.  However if you tend to group with others, it's never bad to root random mobs.  Ever.  No matter what anyone tells you, any damage that can be prevented during a fight is damage priests don't have to worry about, and it's nothing tanks have to worry about taunting.  Illusionists can mez all they want, but one wrong move from a trigger happy ranger or a skiddish rogue, and that mez is broken.  It's better to have it rooted on top of mezzed anyway.  And in group encounters, your root procs Frigid Gift, so that plus your dots and Firestorm (with iceshape of course) is just more damage and crowd control.  Basically, in my opinion and experience, yes it is 100% worth upgrading to the max. =)  There!  Maybe I should have just said that...-Edit-  Ok, just realized you already have a Master1 of it.  My bad.  But yes, it is a good idea to upgrade it.  Every tier you enter, you enter a new table of resist charts and skill ranges.  A previous tier master1 (although it may say it's ok until 85) will be far more resisted than the newer version.  Why?  Because although your root does in fact have a chance to land, it's still on a previous resist chart system.  It's very hard for me to explain, but I do understand the gist of things.   But yes, still no matter what, get your upgrades to your roots <img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> </span>

[SacDaddy420]

yea. all that and.... The new group root lasts almost a full 30 sec. I had T7 mastered out too but I'm definelty using the new one even though is has a chance to be resisted more ( like 28 vs 31 % ) since it's a crummy ad3, it still lasts an extra 6 or so seconds

[The-Plethora]

I can understand updating damage spells which usually means you need at least an adept 3 to beat the previous tier master 1 version.2 other potential offenders are...Cease - Resistability increases against targets higher than level 86    I presume the upgrade decreases hate slightly more but it can hardly remove the damage from one solar flare anywayCorona - Resistability increases against targets higher than level 87    I dont use this unless there is real trouble and it lasts 20 secs at master 1 at lvl 67, You are probably dead if your group cant get to you in that time anyway.

[Lyndel]

I have a similar question with root. I have Shackle (Master I). Should I upgrade to Fetter (Adept III)?Shackle (M1) has 21% harder resist and resistability doesn't go up until level 81Fetter (A3) has 16% harder resist and resistability doesn't go up until level 93.Given that I'm only interested in the root part, not the clinging cold part. Should I switch to Fetter?I see Jayingsoo's comment, but how much effect does switching to the new tables have compared with dropping from a M1 to an A3?Thoughts?LydelOasis.

[duuf]

<cite>Jayingsoo wrote:</cite><blockquote><span style="color: #0099cc;">Every tier you enter, you enter a new table of resist charts and skill ranges.  A previous tier master1 (although it may say it's ok until 85) will be far more resisted than the newer version.  Why?  Because although your root does in fact have a chance to land, it's still on a previous resist chart system.  It's very hard for me to explain, but I do understand the gist of things.   But yes, still no matter what, get your upgrades to your roots <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/283a16da79f3aa23fe1025c96295f04f.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" /> </span></blockquote>Resists are a function of the quality of the spell not its tier.Unless a spell has a resist level message or the base resist percentage factor changes, a tier 1 will not be resisted anymore than a tier 8.Two quick examples:Many Coercers are running around using Charm spells that are one or two tiers back because they have a M1 of the old spell and it is resisted less and breaks less than an A3 of the higher level.Many dirges are using level 44 Daros M2 because it is less resistable than the 58 M1 and the level 72 A3That said to me the upgrade is worth it for the increase in root time slight resistabilty percentage increase and the slight increase in slow.As to level 85 I am assuming you are only gonna see that in raid so if you don't want the increased root time or the admittedly small chagnes to resist in slow you would be just as well off with the lower tier spell. Duffus

[SacDaddy420]

I'd just like to add that the group root does not, in fact, last longer in T8 then the T7 version now. Which is fine, I'm sure thats the way it should be.

[duuf]

<cite>SacDaddy420 wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd just like to add that the group root does not, in fact, last longer in T8 then the T7 version now. Which is fine, I'm sure thats the way it should be.</blockquote>From the Spell descriptions untested as my wiz is only 75Ring of Frost lvl 68 - Duration 22.5 seconds.Ring of Glaciers lvl 78 - Duration 26.3 seconds.Duffus

[ailees]

<cite>Lyndel wrote:</cite><blockquote>Shackle (M1) has 21% harder resist and resistability doesn't go up until level 81Fetter (A3) has 16% harder resist and resistability doesn't go up until level 93.</blockquote>Good question ! I am right now 75 and tested both against mobs in Fens. I don't really see any difference between them, and I'm happy to have ring of frost ready to be casted when I hear the resist noise of the solo root.

[simpwrx02]

<p>You will notice a difference between fetter and Shackle when you do stuff in skyfire mountains, shackle will get resisted a lot and I started using ring of frost as my initail root due to it having the hihger level for resistablity.</p><p>Got Fetter adept3 and it works great on the mobs in skyfire I will probably upgrade to ring of glaciers once my sage gets high enough, not a huge prioity to me.</p><p>But as stated above fetter is a must have if you are soloing in Skyfire.</p>

[ailees]

Well, I'm using fetter ad3 in Jungle, and I have a resist/20, but as mobs hit like trunks, it is often very dangerous...When I don't want the mob to be able to hit me even once, my level being only 76, I start with the group root and double with Fetter.