Dump EQ2 or Dump Vista?

[Spaceweed]

<p>That seems to be my only option at the moment.</p><p>I've spent the last 5 days downloading/patching/crashing on a brand new system, which had 5 days full stress testing by the builders.  I'm at my wits' end to be honest.</p><p>I've spent God knows how many hours sifting through this forum, and testing every sensible suggestion, to no avail.  I have posted my own thread <a href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?topic_id=393929" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=393929</a> and not had any joy from that.</p><p>Someone once told me 'gaming like you do is not good for your health...'</p><p>No kidding <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/e78feac27fa924c4d0ad6cf5819f3554.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Despak]

There is a thread here with some mention of a few updates that be downloaded for Vista and Nvidia cards, makes them use memory etc alot better.  I have out of memory errors all over the place till I used the updates.  Now I run perfectly.

[Kaleyen]

My guildie dumped Vista and loaded up XP Pro...had to if he wanted to play.

[Catsy]

If it comes down to that, dual booting is an (easy) option.I had to do this before I upgraded my system. XP was the only way EQ2 was playable on one session, let alone boxing; Vista's memory footprint was too large. This is very easy to do--install XP first, then install Vista over it. Vista will give you the option of leaving your old Windows installation intact. You'll have to install them on separate partitions, though.It is, admittedly, a pain to swap back and forth. You select which OS to go into every time you boot (or reboot) your computer. I wouldn't have done it if I didn't need to use Vista for DirectX10 games.

[Miss_Jackie]

I would personally upgrade to XP, since Vista is such crap. But, that's me. <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Ealan]

<cite>Miss_Jackie wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would personally upgrade to XP, since Vista is such crap. But, that's me. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>Interesting.  I think Vista is great, but of course you know what they say about opinions.</p><p> I'd be careful about applying XP as a "fix" if you've been running into the out of memory error.  PLENTY of XP users on the infinite sticky thread have the issue.  I had it in XP 32, XP 64 and now Vista 64 and a few of my guildies have it in XP also.</p><p> The app has a bad bad architectural problem in its memory management.  Its not a Vista specific issue.  The ony Vista specific issue I *was* experiencing was the launcher not being able to launch the game executable, but they seem to have corrected that recently.</p><p> At the very least, if you want to use Vista (assume you may since you are), check around for people experiencing whatever bugs you're suffering with (there is also the sound subsystem terminal bug) and make sure that they are *really* specific to Vista.  Even a handful of fellow XP users having the same issue would give me pause before blowing out an OS image for ONE game.</p>

[Wingrider01]

<cite>Miss_Jackie wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would personally upgrade to XP, since Vista is such crap. But, that's me. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" width="15" height="15" /></blockquote><p>happen to disagree with you but then everyone is entitled to a opinion. Been running eq2 on Vista since way before the release candidates that where handed out to all users, everything is rock solid on the game and functioning. run 4 machines on Vista Ultimate 32, tow dox and sometimes 3 box on them with eq2. Run Vangaurd, eq1, swg, matrix online with little or no issues. The only game from SOE that I have had issues with is PlanetSide, just cannot get that one to run right, and I do have some issues with some of my kids earlier games that try and support dx4-8.</p>

[Josgar]

I like vista... but I dual boot to XP WAY more often because I like my graphics.

[Kulidd]

<p>What type of system do you have? If its brand new, your computer is configured to work well with Vista hence you shouldn't be having issues with the OS. I think it's too easy to say that it's either Vista or Sony. It could be another issue all together.</p><p>Some of us could not even get to the character screen after pressing PLAY on the patcher. We found out the it's was a support software from Dell that was updated the same day as update #40 went online that caused the whole problem. Once that was gone (it was worthless anyways) everything went back to normal.</p>

[Spaceweed]

<cite>Sotanyavejin@Guk wrote:</cite><blockquote>If it comes down to that, dual booting is an (easy) option.I had to do this before I upgraded my system. XP was the only way EQ2 was playable on one session, let alone boxing; Vista's memory footprint was too large. This is very easy to do--install XP first, then install Vista over it. Vista will give you the option of leaving your old Windows installation intact. You'll have to install them on separate partitions, though.It is, admittedly, a pain to swap back and forth. You select which OS to go into every time you boot (or reboot) your computer. I wouldn't have done it if I didn't need to use Vista for DirectX10 games.</blockquote><p>Funny you should say that.  I've just spent the day formatting/partitioning/reloading.  I need to find out once and for all what exactly runs what, and how well.</p><p>Going for a dual-boot system.  I weighed the pros and cons and this is the answer for me.  I have very few problems running games on XP Pro, but since my new rig turned up, I can't play a 'single' game on it - getting 'This application has stopped working' error message on three other games I loaded, all with relevant patch updates.  It could actually have nothing to do with EQ2, but this is the only way to find out.</p><p>About to start patching EQ2, and will run it on XP.  If it runs ok - and if my problem is memory or faulty gfx etc, it won't - I will load up on Vista and see if maybe I had a dodgy install.  Will be interesting to see what happens.</p><p>Thanks to all who took an interest in the thread, and I will post my findings.  Good luck to those who are still having various other problems with the game.  It is a good game, but frustration can take a real hold at times - I know.</p>

[Spaceweed]

<cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Miss_Jackie wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would personally upgrade to XP, since Vista is such crap. But, that's me. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote><p>happen to disagree with you but then everyone is entitled to a opinion. Been running eq2 on Vista since way before the release candidates that where handed out to all users, everything is rock solid on the game and functioning. run 4 machines on Vista Ultimate 32, tow dox and sometimes 3 box on them with eq2. Run Vangaurd, eq1, swg, matrix online with little or no issues. The only game from SOE that I have had issues with is PlanetSide, just cannot get that one to run right, and I do have some issues with some of my kids earlier games that try and support dx4-8.</p></blockquote><p>How have you managed the DX9c/10 conflict.  Does Vista allow DX9c to run along side DX10, and choose the relevant one depending on which game is loaded?</p><p>Do you have to upgrade to the latest version of DX9c in Vista regardless?  Is Vista 'smart' enough to make the distinction - I would hope so, otherwise Mr Gates wants a rocket up his [Removed for Content].</p><p>When EQ2 asks if you want to install the 'latest' version of DX9c - or any other game for that matter - do you automatically say 'yes', or do you just go and download from Microsoft?</p><p>I think answers to these questions would help out a lot of other people in the same situation.  It's very confusing for the average Joe who justs wants to have fun and play a game.</p>

[Spaceweed]

<cite>Kuliddar wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What type of system do you have? If its brand new, your computer is configured to work well with Vista hence you shouldn't be having issues with the OS. I think it's too easy to say that it's either Vista or Sony. It could be another issue all together.</p><p>Some of us could not even get to the character screen after pressing PLAY on the patcher. We found out the it's was a support software from Dell that was updated the same day as update #40 went online that caused the whole problem. Once that was gone (it was worthless anyways) everything went back to normal.</p></blockquote><p>You could be right.  As mentioned in a post above, I have had the same error message with other games - I purposely loaded these for this reason, and was pretty shocked to see similar result.</p><p>XP Pro is loaded up now with relevant drivers, and the partitioning is nearly finished.  Once this is complete, the game is downloaded - again - and the truth will be out there.</p><p>I'm hoping it was a bad install of Vista, and not a memory or graphic card problem.  If it's the latter, it goes back to the builders for them to sort out ^^.</p>

[Spaceweed]

<cite>Josgar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I like vista... but I dual boot to XP WAY more often because I like my graphics.</blockquote>Vista looks very impressive, but looks take a back seat to consistent gaming.  XP may have it's faults, but as a gaming platform it's pretty solid.  Vista has a lot of catching up to do..

[Wingrider01]

<cite>Spaceweed wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Wingrider01 wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Miss_Jackie wrote:</cite><blockquote>I would personally upgrade to XP, since Vista is such crap. But, that's me. <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src=" width="15" height="15" />" width="15" height="15"></blockquote><p>happen to disagree with you but then everyone is entitled to a opinion. Been running eq2 on Vista since way before the release candidates that where handed out to all users, everything is rock solid on the game and functioning. run 4 machines on Vista Ultimate 32, tow dox and sometimes 3 box on them with eq2. Run Vangaurd, eq1, swg, matrix online with little or no issues. The only game from SOE that I have had issues with is PlanetSide, just cannot get that one to run right, and I do have some issues with some of my kids earlier games that try and support dx4-8.</p></blockquote><p>How have you managed the DX9c/10 conflict.  Does Vista allow DX9c to run along side DX10, and choose the relevant one depending on which game is loaded?</p><p>Do you have to upgrade to the latest version of DX9c in Vista regardless?  Is Vista 'smart' enough to make the distinction - I would hope so, otherwise Mr Gates wants a rocket up his [I cannot control my vocabulary].</p><p>When EQ2 asks if you want to install the 'latest' version of DX9c - or any other game for that matter - do you automatically say 'yes', or do you just go and download from Microsoft?</p><p>I think answers to these questions would help out a lot of other people in the same situation.  It's very confusing for the average Joe who justs wants to have fun and play a game.</p></blockquote><p>Actually Vista ships with a compiled subset of DirectgX 9 - called Directx 9EX. I just downloaded the latest version of dxwebsetup.exe from Microsoft's website and ran it, the official installer is coded to determine what OS it is being run and and updates only the files that are needed. This is required since DX10 is the first version of directx that is in no way shape or formk backwards compatable to any other version of directx, the functionality bits are not included in the api device calls. </p><p>The stickied thread in this forum has a lot of good infomation on getting the game to function well under eq2  for directx patches and the new Vista security model. These have been posted by myself and numerous other Vista users since the time of release of the OS. EQ2 is not the only camse out that that needs this, Vanguard looks for a optional DX9 module, and so do a number of others, and not all of them look for the same optional runtime dll's.</p><p>If you are uncomfortable running the MS suplied dx update progream you can set a restore point just prior to running it incase there are issues with the system after you run it. This is always a good habit to get into. </p>

[Wingrider01]

<cite>Spaceweed wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Josgar wrote:</cite><blockquote>I like vista... but I dual boot to XP WAY more often because I like my graphics.</blockquote>Vista looks very impressive, but looks take a back seat to consistent gaming.  XP may have it's faults, but as a gaming platform it's pretty solid.  Vista has a lot of catching up to do..</blockquote>Vista has been a rock solid platform for myself and gaming and for all the games my 4,6, and 11 year old runs on their machine. Vista is a major change when compared to XP, especially in how the security model is designed and implemented in the OS.