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Sylaz
11-17-2007, 04:47 AM
Just wondering, do the Sarnak have any sort of established religion?They seems somewhat hard to place. The Arasai fall into a similar category, in that they can't even fall back on the god that created them, because a god didn't create them. The Arasai however were twisted to mimic the creation of the Dark Elves, and in a way see their creator as a god. From a lore standpoint they would worship Christanos, and it seems rather logical that they would. If you were to look at true deities from a lore standpoint, they might go Innorruk, given the strong ties to Dark Elves, but that's something of a stretch considering Christanos is so opposed to the worship of Innoruuk.The Sarnak were also created by mortal hands, however for a much different purpose. While the Arasai were Christanos's "children," the Sarnak were expendable slaves for the Iksar. Now, it stands to reason they wouldn't worship Atrebe, or any Iksar for that matter. Possibly give them credit where credit is due, after all they wouldn't exist if weren't for them, much like the Iksar viewing the Shissar, former slaves don't look to kindly upon former masters. Then, they could possibly worship the creators of either of their two parts, Veeshan for the dragon in them, or Cazic-Thule for the Iksar in them. However, it is possibly that they are trying to distance themselves from both of those parts, trying to establish themselves and a race all their own, not just the combination of two.Now, looking at them back in EQ1 days, they clearly would have had to worship something, as back then many of them fell into Necromancer and Shadowknight class roles, and back then powers of that kind were DIRECTLY linked to the worship of an evil deity. You simply couldn't be one of these classes without following Innorruk, Cazic, or Bertoxxulous.So, have they, in the years since the gods left Norrath, taken on more of an Agnostic point of view as a society? I so far haven't seen any sort of mention of a deity from any of them. Or, perhaps they have taken on more of a Human standpoint in things, not really having any sort of cultural religion, but individuals worshiping gods as they see fit?

Nayurayne
11-17-2007, 05:33 AM
<p>Do you mean the Sarnak of Gorowyn or the Di`Zok Sarnak. There is quite a difference.</p><p>The Sarnak of Gorowyn were made by the Di`Zok Sarnak and have been around for less then a century and I imagine they do not have a racial god. From what I've seen running around Timorous Deep they seem to pretty much believe in themselves. <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p>As for the Di`Zok Sarnak. They were made by the Iksar. I'm pretty sure they don't follow a certain god either. They also seem full of themselves...though slightly less humble then the Gorowyn Sarnak and much less open.</p>

Wilde_Night
11-17-2007, 08:21 AM
I would think if they worshipped any god, it would be Veeshan.  Being she is not an option at this time though, I think they can freelance.

Thrizz
11-17-2007, 10:14 AM
I could see them worshipping The Tribunal.Big reason is they want to right the wrongs, the injustice of being enslaved/others trying to enslave them.

Cusashorn
11-17-2007, 11:33 AM
That is a good question. Being a race artificially created by the Iksar, they've never shown any actual interest or reference to religion in EQlive. They were too concerned with just living on thier own and fighting thier mortal enemies, the Iksar. I guess Veeshan, Bertoxxulous, Solusek Ro, and maybe Cazic Thule would be the best most likely choices.

Ama
11-17-2007, 04:30 PM
<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>That is a good question. Being a race artificially created by the Iksar, they've never shown any actual interest or reference to religion in EQlive. They were too concerned with just living on thier own and fighting thier mortal enemies, the Iksar. I guess Veeshan, Bertoxxulous, Solusek Ro, and maybe Cazic Thule would be the best most likely choices.</blockquote><p>I would lean more toward Veeshan and possibly The Tribunal if the tribunal is neutral.  What makes me say Veeshan is due to their design and what they actually are.  They are part Iksar part dragon which gives them a tiny connection to dragon kind.  However they would probably be considered outcasts and even if they were accepted into Dragon kind would be put in the farthest reaches.  The Sarnak would be made into slave labor for the droag or expendable fodder for wars. </p><p>As for the tribunal as someone said and from what I get the Sarnak want to basically be left alone.  They want to live their lives and want to right the wrongs of the past in some small way.  As many will say justice can be considered blind being good or bad at times.  </p>

Cusashorn
11-17-2007, 05:18 PM
<p>The NEW sarnak, I could see following the Tribunal, but not the old ones.</p>

TheSpin
11-17-2007, 05:41 PM
The posts here go along with my personal opinion as well.  As a race that was created by another race they have no real ties to a diety and have freedom to choose without their race being a big factor.

Mirander_1
11-17-2007, 07:09 PM
Well, looking at the player Sarnaks, here's my thoughts:If Veeshan was in, I'd say her.  But she's not, so lets look at the others:Obviously, the good gods are right out.They have no particular affinity to mining or the Underfoot, so not BrellThe Sarnak generally hate the Iksar, so they probably wouldn't worship their patron god, so Cazic's outThey don't really seem out-and-out evil enough to worship Inny or Bert.Not mischievous enough for Bristlebane There's no reason why they couldn't worship Sol Ro or Karana (heard others say he was changed to neutral), but then, there's no reason why they should.So who does that leave?  Well, Rallos seems fitting for a warrior race like the Sarnak, and the Tribunal for some reason feels right to me.

Ama
11-17-2007, 07:54 PM
I'm kinda sad though the Sarnak are Neutral/evil instead of true neutral creatures.  Course the evil part could be understandable in some Sarnak and they would probably follow Rallos Zek seeking violent style justice.

Sylaz
11-18-2007, 09:31 AM
I was recently in Gorowyn, and when hailed, the Inquisitor trainer says something along the lines of tapping into divine power doesn't require giving yourself to a god, you just have to train and learn to focus on it.So if the "leader" of the most zealous groups of people when it comes to religion seems to think the gods don't matter, I'm going to say that the race as a while doesn't really care too much about the gods, and it falls to personal preference, much like the Human societies.

irish
11-18-2007, 06:56 PM
Do the Unclaimed eye book collection for a history of the new version of the Sarnak and there beliefs on their creators and their God. In short though they credit Cazic as their creator in a broad sense, even though they acknowledge the iksar and the earlier version of the Sarnak now the Di'zok for having a hand in their creation.

Gukkor2
11-19-2007, 12:37 AM
<cite>irish wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do the Unclaimed eye book collection for a history of the new version of the Sarnak and there beliefs on their creators and their God. In short though they credit Cazic as their creator in a broad sense, even though they acknowledge the iksar and the earlier version of the Sarnak now the Di'zok for having a hand in their creation.</blockquote>Wait...are the Di'Zok Sarnak not the original Sarnak, or am I just reading this wrong?

Nayurayne
11-19-2007, 01:28 AM
I think he was just merely stating that the original Sarnak are now called the Di`Zok.