T7 Tokens sort of owned?

[Simera]

So the 'old' t7 tokens we used to get gear have nothing to do with the 'new' t8 tokens to get gear..and you can still get t7 tokens, off people who are level 61-70..but..unless you are in an unlimited zone, there is nowhere they will con to a level 80..and even in an unlimited zone, they'll be grey at that point right?..so if you still wanted to get anything at all still with your 'old' tokens, you are sort of fooked, which of course the new stuff is so superior, who would want the old..but I had 217 tokens towards my last piece, the BP..and now there's no way I'm gonna ever get that..and those tokens..all 217 of them..just become completely worthless?

[max.power]

<cite>Safia@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote>So the 'old' t7 tokens we used to get gear have nothing to do with the 'new' t8 tokens to get gear..and you can still get t7 tokens, off people who are level 61-70..but..unless you are in an unlimited zone, there is nowhere they will con to a level 80..and even in an unlimited zone, they'll be grey at that point right?..so if you still wanted to get anything at all still with your 'old' tokens, you are sort of fooked, which of course the new stuff is so superior, who would want the old..but I had 217 tokens towards my last piece, the BP..and now there's no way I'm gonna ever get that..and those tokens..all 217 of them..just become completely worthless?</blockquote>You could lock your character to keep killing lvl 60-69 for T7 tokens and unlock when you got enough for your (last) T7 gear.Or you could simply use them and boost your faction (if not already maxed out) and concentrate  on T8 tokens.

[Killque]

By suggesting a 70 lock, you may have just opened the flood gates of hell, do you realize that right =D

[Armironhead]

<p>They need a token exchange.  Some sort of npc where you could go and exchange the old tokens for new at an established exchange rate -- perhaps 2 t7 tokens for one t8.</p>

[G1Joe]

^^^  What he said - they need to do something

[Radigazt]

<cite>Armironhead@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>They need a token exchange.  Some sort of npc where you could go and exchange the old tokens for new at an established exchange rate -- perhaps 2 t7 tokens for one t8.</p></blockquote>LOL!  So my T3 lock that's had max faction for like forever should be able to turn in the massive amount of T3-T7 tokens he's got and start getting his T8 PvP gear as soon as I get high enough level?  8-D  Mercy, that sounds like a neato idea.  Seriously, never in a million years would they do an exchange.  The point is that they want newer players leveling up to get a second chance at not being out-geared by raiders and PvP'ers, so they'll never do a token exchange. 

[Simera]

<p>It's a bit different Radigazt. You use your tokens to gain faction in the lower tiers. We had to actually save ours up to gain equipment. Saving over 200 tokens for SOME people was a feat in itself..and to have them suddenly be sort of worthless. *frown* But quite honestly, a new player shouldnt be on the same footing as a 'geared out' raider and pvper..or this game would indeed be pointless.</p>

[valkyriepc]

<cite>Armironhead@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>They need a token exchange.  Some sort of npc where you could go and exchange the old tokens for new at an established exchange rate -- perhaps 2 t7 tokens for one t8.</p></blockquote>OR need to completely reduce the token cost of t7 pvp gear.

[sokil]

<p>A token exchange? rediculous. I do wish they had made the required faction for the T8 pvp gear 80K or so but oh well. I too have a huge stockpile and max faction. Simply solution.. lock and use them or move on to T8. Its a whole new world and looking back only makes your neck look funny. </p><p>Sochi</p>

[G1Joe]

how the [Removed for Content] does a T3 lock equate to having level 70 chars with no use for [Removed for Content] Tokens that he/she may have gathered over the course of time. I have 3 chars which have on them between 70 and 100 tokens each sitting there I can do nothing with.

[Dimgl]

<span style="color: #00cc99;">What I don't understand is why they don't just do this:- Remove Faction gain from PVP kills globally as a start.- Remove tokens from PVP globally.- Now reinstate the faction system in a way that you only earn faction in a case where you could have earned a token.- Only put people on recent list if you earned faction from them in the above way.- Make faction scale according to enemy level and title.Now for the big one:- Retool PVP merchants to consume faction much like we can use faction to purchase abilities from our gods already.- Let tokens be traded for faction as they are already, let them filter out and leave the game, because they're a lame system that discourages grouping and even discourages people lending each other a hand as you may be accused of kill-stealing. "MY KILL, DON'T TOUCH MY TOKEN."- Make the items cost sensible yet high amounts of faction/plat/status. (IE make items cost 200 times level, that means a level 10 item would be around 2000 faction. A level 80 item around 16,000 faction.)Result:No luck-based [Removed for Content] token fest that we have now. No group arguments or agreements on tokens. No stealing from other people's chests, etc. Players who HAVE max faction and old tokens can spend it, with maxed out players able to get at most 3 items before losing thousands of kills worth of faction that has to be rebuilt from near nothing.Let's face it, with a 7-piece armor set, 1-2 weapons, and 2-4 other slots of PVP gear it would still take 15*16,000 faction or close to 240,000 (almost 5 full faction tanks) to gear out. At least it would remove all of the guesswork and short-end-of-the-stick playstyle that tokens bring.</span>

[XeroXs84]

Good idea (has been discussed on the beta boards too..) but prolly will never happen <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Necodem]

I wish it would be change in a way something like that.

[Armironhead]

<cite>Vexus@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Armironhead@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>They need a token exchange.  Some sort of npc where you could go and exchange the old tokens for new at an established exchange rate -- perhaps 2 t7 tokens for one t8.</p></blockquote>LOL!  So my T3 lock that's had max faction for like forever should be able to turn in the massive amount of T3-T7 tokens he's got and start getting his T8 PvP gear as soon as I get high enough level?  8-D  Mercy, that sounds like a neato idea.  Seriously, never in a million years would they do an exchange.  The point is that they want newer players leveling up to get a second chance at not being out-geared by raiders and PvP'ers, so they'll never do a token exchange.  </blockquote>Jeez why not?  Really if there was a problem it could be fixed by altering the exchange rate.  Also if you didnt notice max faction is not really a factor for t7 eof token gear.  Faction is for city pvp gear.  And usually most people have burned their t7 tokens on t7 pvp gear.  So I really dont think there would be a problem with people saving massive amounts of lower lvl tokens just to get t8 pvp gear. 

[Norrsken]

<cite>Armironhead@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Vexus@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Armironhead@Vox wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>They need a token exchange.  Some sort of npc where you could go and exchange the old tokens for new at an established exchange rate -- perhaps 2 t7 tokens for one t8.</p></blockquote>LOL!  So my T3 lock that's had max faction for like forever should be able to turn in the massive amount of T3-T7 tokens he's got and start getting his T8 PvP gear as soon as I get high enough level?  8-D  Mercy, that sounds like a neato idea.  Seriously, never in a million years would they do an exchange.  The point is that they want newer players leveling up to get a second chance at not being out-geared by raiders and PvP'ers, so they'll never do a token exchange.  </blockquote>Jeez why not?  Really if there was a problem it could be fixed by altering the exchange rate.  Also if you didnt notice max faction is not really a factor for t7 eof token gear.  Faction is for city pvp gear.  And usually most people have burned their t7 tokens on t7 pvp gear.  So I really dont think there would be a problem with people saving massive amounts of lower lvl tokens just to get t8 pvp gear.  </blockquote>Just like there isnt a problem with lowbie twinks farming lvl 10s for faction atm, Im sure we wouldnt have a problem with them farming 20ies for tokens either. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[mattmandude]

I'd have to disagree with the exchange, unless they scaled it for the tiers. Like:2 T7 = 1 T82 T6 = 1 T72 T5 = 1T6and so on...that way, if you had say 100 T3 tokens, you'd could exchange them for 50 T4 tokens > 25 T5 tokens > 12 T6 tokens > 6 T7 tokens > <b>3 T8 Tokens</b>That way, people that have lots of tokens from T7/T6 can still benefit from the old tokens of their last tier, and this also won't contribute to people locking to save tokens for later.

[Amphibia]

<cite>mattmandude wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd have to disagree with the exchange, unless they scaled it for the tiers. Like:2 T7 = 1 T82 T6 = 1 T72 T5 = 1T6and so on...that way, if you had say 100 T3 tokens, you'd could exchange them for 50 T4 tokens > 25 T5 tokens > 12 T6 tokens > 6 T7 tokens > <b>3 T8 Tokens</b>That way, people that have lots of tokens from T7/T6 can still benefit from the old tokens of their last tier, and this also won't contribute to people locking to save tokens for later.</blockquote>That wouldn't work. A lot of scouts have hundreds of T7 tokens piled up, if they could exchange all of those, they'd get enough tokens to buy several pieces of T8 gear already.

[Mildavyn]

<p>I'd prefer it if we could only trade them backwards. meaning you could swap 1 T8 token for 2 T7 tokens, but not T7 for T8. That way we don't have problems with people hoarding low level tokens, but those of us (like me!) who don't yet have all of our T7 set, but like the looks of it, can finish it off.</p><p>If you want T8 tokens, go kill some T8 toons.</p>

[Arcanias]

<cite>Paikis@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'd prefer it if we could only trade them backwards. meaning you could swap 1 T8 token for 2 T7 tokens, but not T7 for T8. That way we don't have problems with people hoarding low level tokens, but those of us (like me!) who don't yet have all of our T7 set, but like the looks of it, can finish it off.</p><p>If you want T8 tokens, go kill some T8 toons.</p></blockquote>          What about those of us who already have 50k faction, a full pvp set, and close to 400 tokens in the bank?  I earned those tokens damnit!  I should get <i>something</i> for them.

[Izzypop]

100 T7 tokens= zero T8No, absolutely no exchange of lower tier tokens for higher tier tokens.If someone has enough saved up they will get an instant t8 set.Token exchange as follows1 T8 Token=1 T7 TokenI personally would exchange 10 T8 tokens for 10 T7 tokens to get that last piece of gear.10 T7 tokens is now very hard to come by without tracking to find the green cons.

[Mildavyn]

<cite>Arcanias@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Paikis@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I'd prefer it if we could only trade them backwards. meaning you could swap 1 T8 token for 2 T7 tokens, but not T7 for T8. That way we don't have problems with people hoarding low level tokens, but those of us (like me!) who don't yet have all of our T7 set, but like the looks of it, can finish it off.</p><p>If you want T8 tokens, go kill some T8 toons.</p></blockquote>          What about those of us who already have 50k faction, a full pvp set, and close to 400 tokens in the bank?  I earned those tokens damnit!  I should get <i>something</i> for them.</blockquote><p>You could always give them to me. I still need 500ish tokens for the last 3 pieces of my set. Perhaps they could set up a place where you could turn your T7 tokens in for cash... but I agree with Rippy... absolutely no T7 -> T8 token swaps. NEVER. Not even if it was 10 -> 1.</p><p>Look at it this way Arcanius, if you ever decide to head over to Qeynos (no idea WHY you'd do it...) and then decided to come back, you'd have a pile of faction already built up. For someone like me who has changed allignments just often enough to never get enough faction to buy even the T4 faction gear, this would be nice.</p><p>If you want T8 tokens, go kill some T8 toons, there'll be MANY more of them than there are T7 now.</p>

[Vaeine]

Token exchange? your kidding right? I guess all the people that raided all the T7 zones to get fabled should now be able to go exchange thier stuff for automatic gear upgrade to match the lvl 80 gear. And to go on the original poster what about the thousands of people that needed that one last piece of set fabled gear and now the expansion is out and there gear is sub par? it is just the nature of games, deal with it or go play golf or basketball or something but then you will probably complain that someone is taller than you and it is not fair.

[Arcanias]

<cite>Paikis@Venekor wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You could always give them to me. I still need 500ish tokens for the last 3 pieces of my set. Perhaps they could set up a place where you could turn your T7 tokens in for cash... but I agree with Rippy... absolutely no T7 -> T8 token swaps. NEVER. Not even if it was 10 -> </p></blockquote><p>/agree</p><p>All I want is <i>something </i>for the tokens I earned.  I don't expect to trade my T7 tokens for T8 tokens, but it would be nice to be able to sell my T7 tokens or exchange them for something usefull.</p>

[Armironhead]

<cite>Amphibia wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>mattmandude wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'd have to disagree with the exchange, unless they scaled it for the tiers. Like:2 T7 = 1 T82 T6 = 1 T72 T5 = 1T6and so on...that way, if you had say 100 T3 tokens, you'd could exchange them for 50 T4 tokens > 25 T5 tokens > 12 T6 tokens > 6 T7 tokens > <b>3 T8 Tokens</b>That way, people that have lots of tokens from T7/T6 can still benefit from the old tokens of their last tier, and this also won't contribute to people locking to save tokens for later.</blockquote>That wouldn't work. A lot of scouts have hundreds of T7 tokens piled up, if they could exchange all of those, they'd get enough tokens to buy several pieces of T8 gear already. </blockquote>u know the t8 pvp gear is starting at 300 tokens.  If lower lvl tokens were exchanged at a 2 for 1 ratio it would cost 600 lower lvl tokens for one piece of pvp gear.  Now on naggy of course it would be different but on vox, i've been pvp'ing steadly since the beginning and have been in only about 4000 fights.  Not all of these of course drp tokens. clearly given the amount of fights available and the number of tokens needed it is simply not a realistic concern to believe farming is a viable route for t8 gear.  Moreover, all soe would have to do is tinker with the ratio to make farming of lower lvl gear simply an unreaslistic option. For instance at 3 for 1 you would need 900 tokens at 4 to 1 it would be 1200 tokens.  It is simply scare mongering to suggest that there are people with that many tokens in their bank.