When you think Warden...

[x82nd77]

Do you think Male or Female? I was having a discussion with a friend over the sexuality of different classes. Like historically when you would think Fury ... you would think female.  Some classes just seem more masculine or feminine then others. When you think Warden which way do you lean...

[TheWretched687]

I'd say male for a melee speced warden, but the flower headset is kinda girly

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>I could get into a dissertation about Druids - but they are historically both sexes, usually matriarchal (ie, women leaders).   Archetypally, Fury is male (offense oriented...get out there and kill stuff) and Warden is female (defense, nurturing).     </p><p>That said, we all have a bit of both 'sides' in our personalities, and there is room for both sexes in either profession.   And yeah, the leaf ring is girly.  My High Elf Warden has the ring, my Dark Elf one kept the wolf hat.</p>

[ELITEO]

*crying like a girly man*  WHAAAA I hate the flower ring ..... *being indecisive like we know who* do you think i can get the wolf head back?

[Gilfandron]

No chance to get it back, maybe unless you bribe a GM <img src="/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />But as T7 raid instances are becoming considerably easier as everyone is pushing for lvl 80 you might consider getting a wolf hat out of the Laboratory of Lord Vyemm. We were in there with a full guild group this weekend. Even though we all were still in the lower 70's we got past the first three nameds. So it shouldn't be a problem to get in once in a while later on if you need that hat. If you don't it's still fun seeing what one can do to those epics in a group. Anyways, you might have to try various times, as that drop is not at all guaranteed.P.S: My bald dwarfen warden uses the LEAF-ring. Just looks so funny with the full beard *gg*

[dpsman]

<cite>Joram@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Do you think Male or Female? I was having a discussion with a friend over the sexuality of different classes. Like historically when you would think Fury ... you would think female.  Some classes just seem more masculine or feminine then others. When you think Warden which way do you lean... </blockquote><p>Well historicaly Warden"Druid would be male and Barabarian would be the most obvious race to choose for accuracy. a little History here for ya.</p><p><b>Who were they?</b> The Iron Age is the age of the "Celt" in Britain. Over the 500 or so years leading up to the first Roman invasion a Celtic culture established itself throughout the British Isles. Who were these Celts? For a start, the concept of a "Celtic" people is a modern and somewhat romantic reinterpretation of history. The "Celts" were warring tribes who certainly wouldn't have seen themselves as one people at the time. </p><p>The "Celts" as we traditionaly regard them exist largely in the magnificence of their art and the words of the Romans who fought them. The trouble with the reports of the Romans is that they were a mix of reportage and political propaganda. It was politically expedient for the Celtic peoples to be coloured as barbarians and the Romans as a great civilizing force. And history written by the winners is always suspect.<b>Where did they come from?</b> What we do know is that the people we call Celts gradually infiltrated Britain over the course of the centuries between about 500 and 100 B.C. There was probably never an organized Celtic invasion; for one thing the Celts were so fragmented and given to fighting among themselves that the idea of a concerted invasion would have been ludicrous. The Celts were a group of peoples loosely tied by similar language, religion, and cultural expression. They were not centrally governed, and quite as happy to fight each other as any non-Celt. They were warriors, living for the glories of battle and plunder. They were also the people who brought iron working to the British Isles.<b>The advent of iron.</b> The use of iron had amazing repercussions. First, it changed trade and fostered local independence. Trade was essential during the <a href="http://www.britainexpress.com/History/Bronze_Age.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Bronze Age</a>, for not every area was naturally endowed with the necessary ores to make bronze. Iron, on the other hand, was relatively cheap and available almost everywhere.<b>Hill forts.</b> The time of the "Celtic conversion" of Britain saw a huge growth in the number of <a href="http://www.britainexpress.com/History/prehistoric_monuments.htm#HillForts" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">hill forts</a> throughout the region. These were often small ditch and bank combinations encircling defensible hilltops. Some are small enough that they were of no practical use for more than an individual family, though over time many larger forts were built. The curious thing is that we don't know if the hill forts were built by the native Britons to defend themselves from the encroaching Celts, or by the Celts as they moved their way into hostile territory.Usually these forts contained no source of water, so their use as long term settlements is doubtful, though they may have been useful indeed for withstanding a short term siege. Many of the hill forts were built on top of earlier <a href="http://www.britainexpress.com/History/prehistoric_monuments.htm#Causewayedcamps" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">causewayed camps</a>.<b>Celtic family life.</b> The basic unit of Celtic life was the clan, a sort of extended family. The term "family" is a bit misleading, for by all accounts the Celts practiced a peculiar form of child rearing; they didn't rear them, they farmed them out. Children were actually raised by foster parents. The foster father was often the brother of the birth-mother. Got it?Clans were bound together very loosely with other clans into tribes, each of which had its own social structure and customs, and possibly its own local gods.<b>Housing.</b> The Celts lived in huts of arched timber with walls of wicker and roofs of thatch. The huts were generally gathered in loose hamlets. In several places each tribe had its own coinage system.<b>Farming.</b> The Celts were farmers when they weren't fighting. One of the interesting innovations that they brought to Britain was the iron plough. Earlier ploughs had been awkward affairs, basically a stick with a pointed end harnessed behind two oxen. They were suitable only for ploughing the light upland soils. The heavier iron ploughs constituted an agricultural revolution all by themselves, for they made it possible for the first time to cultivate the rich valley and lowland soils. They came with a price, though. It generally required a team of eight oxen to pull the plough, so to avoid the difficulty of turning that large a team, Celtic fields tended to be long and narrow, a pattern that can still be seen in some parts of the country today. <b>The lot of women.</b> Celtic lands were owned communally, and wealth seems to have been based largely on the size of cattle herd owned. The lot of women was a good deal better than in most societies of that time. They were technically equal to men, owned property, and could choose their own husbands. They could also be war leaders, as <a href="http://www.britainexpress.com/History/Boudicca%27s_Revolt.htm" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">Boudicca</a> (Boadicea) later proved.<b>Language.</b> There was a written Celtic language, but it developed well into Christian times, so for much of Celtic history they relied on oral transmission of culture, primarily through the efforts of bards and poets. These arts were tremendously important to the Celts, and much of what we know of their traditions comes to us today through the old tales and poems that were handed down for generations before eventually being written down. <b></b><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"></a><b>Druids.</b> Another area where oral traditions were important was in the training of Druids. There has been a lot of nonsense written about Druids, but they <i>were</i> a curious lot; a sort of super-class of priests, political advisors, teachers, healers, and arbitrators. They had their own universities, where traditional knowledge was passed on by rote. They had the right to speak ahead of the king in council, and may have held more authority than the king. They acted as ambassadors in time of war, they composed verse and upheld the law. They were a sort of glue holding together Celtic culture. <b>Religion.</b> From what we know of the Celts from Roman commentators, who are, remember, witnesses with an axe to grind, they held many of their religious ceremonies in woodland groves and near sacred water, such as wells and springs. The Romans speak of human sacrifice as being a part of Celtic religion. One thing we do know, the Celts revered human heads.Celtic warriors would cut off the heads of their enemies in battle and display them as trophies. They mounted heads in doorposts and hung them from their belts. This might seem barbaric to us, but to the Celt the seat of spiritual power was the head, so by taking the head of a vanquished foe they were appropriating that power for themselves. It was a kind of bloody religious observance.</p><p>The Iron Age is when we first find cemeteries of ordinary people's burials (in hole-in-the-ground graves) as opposed to the elaborate barrows of the elite few that provide our main records of burials in earlier periods.<b>The Celts at War.</b> The Celts loved war. If one wasn't happening they'd be sure to start one. They were scrappers from the word go. They arrayed themselves as fiercely as possible, sometimes charging into battle fully naked, dyed blue from head to toe, and screaming like banshees to terrify their enemies. They took tremendous pride in their appearance in battle, if we can judge by the elaborately embellished weapons and paraphernalia they used. Golden shields and breastplates shared pride of place with ornamented helmets and trumpets.The Celts were great users of light chariots in warfare. From this chariot, drawn by two horses, they would throw spears at an enemy before dismounting to have a go with heavy slashing swords. They also had a habit of dragging families and baggage along to their battles, forming a great milling mass of encumbrances, which sometimes cost them a victory, as Queen Boudicca would later discover to her dismay.As mentioned, they beheaded their opponents in battle and it was considered a sign of prowess and social standing to have a goodly number of heads to display. The main problem with the Celts was that they couldn't stop fighting among themselves long enough to put up a unified front. Each tribe was out for itself, and in the long run this cost them control of Britain. </p><p>(<b>Note:</b> The terms "England", "Scotland", and "Wales" are used purely to indicate geographic location relative to modern boundaries - at this time period, these individual countries did not exist). </p>

[Arielle Nightshade]

<p>and you cut and pasted this whole thing.....why?  ^^^</p><p>You still didnt answer the question LOL</p>

[detson2]

Well when I think "Warden" I picture a female. Just something about the warden (Not Druid nor Fury) screams nymph or dryad to me. I have always associate the warden as a protector of nature and all things furry. Hence a womans touch is needed to do this properly. Not many guys I know have green thumbs either.Now Fury I see male. Use what nature has to offer and wreak havoc upon what ever you wish. Throw lighting bolts into the forest to wipe out a army, and burn the place to the ground while they are at it. Then the warden comes in and cleans it all up and restores natures beauty .Make sense? Does to me. Hopwe I answered your question. And I mean no offense to either sexes here. Just my opinion.

[Skivley101]

<p>^^^ jeeze ... for a barbarian your sounding a bit to submissive</p><p>Im a barbarian my self , so i had to stir you up ...</p><p>Dont let Arie get you on the defensive , she means well , but she's still a ~witch~</p><p>not that theres anything wrong with that <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[dpsman]

<cite>detson2 wrote:</cite><blockquote>Well when I think "Warden" I picture a female. Just something about the warden (Not Druid nor Fury) screams nymph or dryad to me. I have always associate the warden as a protector of nature and all things furry. Hence a womans touch is needed to do this properly. Not many guys I know have green thumbs either.Now Fury I see male. Use what nature has to offer and wreak havoc upon what ever you wish. Throw lighting bolts into the forest to wipe out a army, and burn the place to the ground while they are at it. Then the warden comes in and cleans it all up and restores natures beauty .Make sense? Does to me. Hopwe I answered your question. And I mean no offense to either sexes here. Just my opinion. </blockquote><p>Going all the way back to the first Druids in Celtic Society, it appears that all Druids were men, although there are undocumented myths of Female Celtic Druids.</p><p>Barbarian or Human would be the most accurate race to choose as a Druid, but this is a Fantasy game so anything goes. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>So to answer your question, when I think Druid be it Warden or Fury I picture a male.</p>

[StaticLex]

Warden doesn't sound like either male OR female to me.  Fury sounds femmy though.

[Mwahaha]

<p>When I seriously think of a warden I picture something like this:</p><p><img src="http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/8840/stacksqf7.jpg" alt="" width="350" height="280" border="0" /></p><p>EQ2-wise I picture a warden as a male.</p>

[Dyft]

well i soppose it dosent really matter.... im a male i play a fury and my fury char is a cute little dark elf female... not quite sure why i picked female but i did... however she spends about 95% of her time in tiger form. also for what it matters i have 5 male chars and 2 female.. sooo.

[Edith]

<p>The furies (called Erinyes by the Greeks) were spirits of female vengence particularly focused on hounding those that committed murder of their relatives.  They were defanged, as it were, by Athena during the trial of Orestes as is entertainingly laid out in Aeschyus' Oresteia.  The most festive bit about the furies, imo, is how they came about. From Hesiod's poem Theogony:</p><p>          So when, bringing on night, great Ouranos came and lay on </p><p>          Gaia, desiring her love, closely embaracing her, stretching</p><p>           everywhere over, then his son from where he was hiding</p><p>          stretched out his left hand, and with his right hand wielding</p><p>                  the sickle,</p><p>          jagged and long, quickly cut off his own father's</p><p>          genital parts.  Backwards he threw them so that they went</p><p>          flying behind him- nor did they go in vain from his hand.</p><p>          All the numerous drops of blood that scattered </p><p>          fell upon Gaia, who when the seasons had circled produced</p><p>          the mighty Erinyes (the Furies), and the great bodied giants....</p><p>Darned ancient Greeks knew how to do sex and violence right!</p>

[Overburnzz]

^^^ I would have to agreei like this one betterU got to have the stache to be a Warden<img src="http://www.co.ocean.nj.us/corrections/images/WardenHutler.jpg" alt="" border="0" />

[Oakum]

<p>Have to agree with the above poster with the prison warden.  </p><p>I see wardens as males cracking heads and keeping the "evil inmates" (mobs) from killing innocent members of society(the group, raid, alliance, home city for pvp)  and destroying the BALANCE of nature. Balance being conservation of, not total protection that causes animals to starve to death. </p><p>Fury's are avenging women who pay back those who succeed in doing what the wardens are trying to prevent. Hell has no fury like an avenging druid, lol. </p><p>Of course in actual game play men and women can be both, lol. </p>

[Overburnzz]

sorry about the huge pic therebut I wanted everyone to get the full effect of the stache