PvE->PvP is it even worth it?

[Pravius]

I am sure this question has been asked probably a million and one times but here I go asking it again.  First off let me say that I do love this game.  I haver enjoyed myself on a PvE server up to level 46 and probably will eventually get to level 80 with my Fury there.  However, as an ex daoc player and a big fan of PvP throughout my entire journey so far I have felt like I have been missing something..... PvP.I really want to PvP but I just feel like after reading all this talk about locking, griefing, ect it's kinda discouraging to a player considering it. I understnad in PvP I am going to die, I will get ganked, I know this comes along with it and am willing to accept it.  However I really do not want to be miserable and hate the server I choose.So what do you guys think?  Anyone else coming from my situation have good experiences?  Bad ones? Please let me know because tonight I plan on making a Sarnak SK or Zerker!

[SumOldMan]

I have played PvP exclusively since it was released -- I enjoy it a lot. THere are gank groups and the system is far from perfect -- but is anything more satisfying than making a peck just shut the hell up?

[Tae]

I really can't imagine playing the game without PvP. It would just seem so hollow without it.

[Mighty Melvor]

<cite>Pravius@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I really want to PvP but I just feel like after reading all this talk about locking, griefing, ect it's kinda discouraging to a player considering it. <span style="color: #3333ff;">I understnad in PvP I am going to die, I will get ganked, I know this comes along with it and am willing to accept it. </span> However I really do not want to be miserable and hate the server I choose.</blockquote><p>To be honest, you are already ahead of many people on PvP.  If you accept that a PvP server is a dangerous place, then by all means join us.</p><p>My main is a ever-locked quester (1970+ quests and counting).  PvP adds an element of danger that can never be found in PvE. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[Armironhead]

As far as i'm concerned pvp is the only reason to play this game.  Killing a bunch of dumb mobs over and over again is just very mind numbing.  The pve game is really all about the grind.  Cant beat something? come back in a few lvls or with different gear.  Now the pvp game could not be more different.  There is a thinking (of course with q's its really barely thinking <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> ) opponent on the other side who is trying to push the game mechanics to the limit to achive the results that they want.  In eq2 people have been very creative in edging out wins -- which of course leads to much of the whining.  But the point is that pvp is about the challenge.  If you feel that pve is lacking and that it is just the same old, same old -- then pvp is probably for you, and you should give it a shot.  Now if you just want to put your toe in the water without jumping all the way in, try ven or vox instead of naggy -- both of those servers are lower pop servers -- so if you feel the need to do some pve from time to time there is plenty of opportunity to do so.

[Pravius]

Thanks very much for all of the responses.  I am going to try it tonight and see what I think.  Anymore response are more then welcomed I would love to hear any one else's experience who came from a PvE Server and migrated over to a PvP server.  Thanks again guys.    <img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bhobski]

When my PvE server was down I created a PvP character.  I have a lvl 46 character like you on PvE.I rolled a evil Fae necro (I forget the name) before I realised that wasn't a good class for starting on PvP.  I'm still pluggin away to lvl 18 but it's been pretty brutal.  People pretty much wait for your immunity to wear off and gank you.  Since you lose loot I end up going to the bank quite frequently.So I'm not conplaining but it's something to consider..... I think it's pretty cheesy for people to gank newbs, but thats the name of the game I guess.  I'm still having fun but it's frustrating.

[Bozidar]

<p>If you're going to act like this when you pvp, then it's not for you:</p><p><img src="http://www.bbc.co.uk/parenting/images/300/baby_crying_closeup.jpg" alt="" width="300" height="193" border="0" /></p>

[Mwahaha]

I came from pve also as a 70 necromancer in a "casual raiding guild" which meant lab raids.  Got boring fast.  I started an alt the day nagafen went live and played pvp on and off then finally quit pve all together to pvp.  I found whenever I played pve I would just talk about how great pvp is . . so I just finally quit pve all together and been here since then.  Its been great and adds some real excitement to the game.  Seeing as you already accept the fact that your going to die a lot is a plus.  And if you haven't got it already I suggest getting some thick skin before you join us.  Its funny to see some guys loose a bit of fame then flip out lol.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Pravius@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>I understnad in PvP I am going to die, I will get ganked, I know this comes along with it and am willing to accept it.  However I really do not want to be miserable and hate the server I choose.</blockquote>Meh.. regardless of which server (or even which game) you choose.. griefing will always exist. So will people who exploit game mechanics.You will die. You will get ganked. And.. eventually you'll level beyond those who preyed upon you as somebody new to a PvP server.Its not server specific. Let me snuff that myth right away. However, on a server with a larger population you'll have more "predators" obviously. To be fair though.. there will also be more "prey" and no gank can be in 20 places at one time.On the lower populated servers.. its very easy to avoid these situations. Not always of course. But, if you shrug the habits formed on a PvE server to go quest, grind, etc. in the same places which will be obviously camped.. you'll find that you have a lot of elbow room to level up without much interruption.Hope that's enough information to give you a push towards rolling a toon on a PvP server and ignore the whiners from the PvE servers who gave it all of a one hour till they made their judgements about PvP servers and unfortunately have spent more time spreading stories about all the grief than they actually did in game on a PvP server. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[ladyvengeance]

I too cannot imagine enjoying this game without pvp. That added element of danger really keeps me playing. Back when the servers were packed with people I would be riding in the commonlands scared to death of getting killed, constantly looking over my shoulder to see if anyone was behind me. I turn in quests as fast as possible - I don't even read the dialogue. I can't count how many times I've been ganked from turning in a quest (or trying to). Also, the fact that the people you are fighting are actual real people from all over the world.....well, that's just cool.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>ladyvengeance wrote:</cite><blockquote>I too cannot imagine enjoying this game without pvp. </blockquote>That is the quote of the day in my opinion.I've played a lot of MMO's over the years.. and have never even tried one that didn't offer PvP.Its all about the risk and excitement.I understand that PvE is an accepted and popular play style. But, in my opinon, its just one more step towards (or should I say backward?) towards an "auto-play" button in an offline solo game.There once was a time when all MMO's had PvP.. there was no option of choosing a server for "safe mode". Again, if I wanted to fight nothing but predictable AI's all day long, I'd invest in a console game and sit in front of my television. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Bhobski]

As I said it can be a bit painful at first but it's fun, a bit more of a challenge.   I went back to my PvE char tonight and it was a bit boring.  I think I'm going to create another PvP character and give the PvP necro a rest it was probably not the best to start out with.Being that this is a PvP section I would guess you're going to get mostly one side..... I would just check it out and judge for yourself.

[Spyderbite]

<cite>Bhobski wrote:</cite><blockquote>Being that this is a PvP section I would guess you're going to get mostly one side..... I would just check it out and judge for yourself.</blockquote>Well said. As long as people understand that they're going to get beat on at first and not coddled.. they'll do fine.As for the "one side" well... one is only going to get the "other side" in the PvE forums as well. Post "I want to PvP" there.. and you're likely to get "OMG you're so going to get ganked 300 times every 10 seconds!!" <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY<img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />" />Keep in mind.. those of us who are posting were also new to the PvP servers here at one point. We were also ganked. We also died many, many times. Yet we're still around. It does get better.. and it really isn't as bad as people make it out to be on the forums.If I held that same belief.. I would never have traveled to Mexico where people "get mugged and [Removed for Content] several times a year". And, I wouldn't have returned to enjoy my vacations there 2 to 3 times a year there after for 15 years. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[Spyderbite]

Here's a simple set of rules to consider if one is considering joining a PvP server or community... In the tradition of Jeff Foxworthy..1. If dying really bothers you.. don't join a PvP server.2. If you must "win at all costs" then.. don't join a PvP server.3. If you enjoy long hours relaxing in AFK while watching DVD's.. don't join a PvP server.4. If carrying all your platinum on you rather than banking it is an inconvenience.. you probably don't want to join a PvP server.5. If you detest harvesting or any other mundane task in order to make money in order to upgrade your equipment and spells/ca.. you might not want to join a PvP server.6. If running for 30 seconds from a revive zone back to the location where you died is a game stopping issue.. ya probably don't want to join a PvP server.7. If it upsets you that your class can be bested by another class.. you might want to rethink a PvP server.8. If your goal is to level to 70 and raid inside of two weeks.. you might want reconsider a PvP server. (Or consider Vox where you can buy such a character)9. You might want to go back to PvE if you covet your fame title. See #2.10. Finally.. you might want to second guess your fetish to join a PvP server if you blow past a mob of grays or greens without a second thought. <img src="/smilies/8a80c6485cd926be453217d59a84a888.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" />

[sokil]

<p>I am on venekor and I enjoy a good mixure of pvp/pve. PVE would be very boring without the risk of pvp. Of course I cannot count the number of times I hit the reviv button and said I would never play this game again.. then started buffing and continued to play. Some will never enjoy pvp.. and some enjoy only pvp... but I enjoy them both in moderation. </p><p> Those, in my opinion, that enjoy the game the most gave up worrying about thier pvp ratios/titles in thier 20s (and also IMO those are the ones that are the best pvp players and have the titles etc). If you can die, learn from it, think of it as a good fight and move on to the next battle you may enjoy pvp. If you let getting ganked and repeaedly killed bother you then pve is where you should be. </p><p> I will never go back to PVE because of the lost excitment. If I wanted that I would play against a computer<img src="/smilies/3b63d1616c5dfcf29f8a7a031aaa7cad.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /></p><p> Laugh when you die and look at your log to see what you can do differently.. and bank. NEVER, NEVER leave town with any money.. NEVER. its a hard lesson but it normally only takes one mistake to help with that lesson. </p>

[KaiZas]

They're not joking about the money lesson. I came to the pvp server (Nagafen) 3 months ago. I made a killing crafting mastercrafted gear for the locked Tier2 crowd. Then I went on a jolly stroll with 94pp in my pocked. (To my defence, it was late at night, I was getting sleepy, wanted to harvest some in Enchanted Lands before bed.)During my harvesting session I got attacked by a group of green Freeps. I managed to take 'em all, but we were fighting pretty close to the respawn point and they kept coming at me. Eventually I ran, I was out of power. They got their revenge. And a hefty cash price for their tenacity :p(I nearly gave up after that. Didn't sleep too good that night. Never had I felt so bad in a game before. But, it was an experience I'll never forget.)

[Xzerius]

I suggest trying Venekor if you wish to get your feet wet in the PvP realm. It's a light load server so you're not so apt to be as heavily hammered repeatedly into oblivion. Alot depends on your play times and of course level range as well as willingness to accept the fact that YES, you will get killed and sometimes repeatedly.  I also suggest getting all of your harvest skills over 20 before leaving the noob Isle so you can harvest your ars off once you land so you may obtain your own rares for gear and or sell the ones you dont need for coin because yes, you will die, and probably pretty fast in the low levels since most of us have been on this server since it was created and are already established. Once you get beyond the T3 range though it tapers off. You may also consider making 2 toons and keep one around level 8 to harvest/farm in CL / Ant without fear of PvP interuptus since under 10 levels is PvP immune.

[Bloodfa]

<p>Why can't I ever kill somebody carrying that much plat? <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>PvP <i>is</i> rough.  It's supposed to be.  The lower level zones are pretty light right now, due to RoK, so there's a much easier time to be had because of it.  Rolling a new toon now would be a smart choice.  Expect to die, and you're not going to be disappointed.  Surviving against a superior foe makes it all the more enjoyable.</p><p>Bhobski, try something besides a Necro for your first toon.  There's a reason that so many Necro's complain about getting no love from the Devs.  They need a whole lot of luck to win, skill notwithstanding.  This is not meant to be a slight against the players, as I've seen some damned good ones, but it's real easy to avoid that pet and go for the caster.</p>

[zaltar]

Like many others , my mmorpg career is based around pvp and I came to EQ 2 in search of a better game.I began with pve and learned a little about the game in general and then started on Nagafen shortly thereafter.IMHO , this game is the perfect environment for pvp , and with the deep content and large variation in classes coupled witha large scale epic struggle between good and evil in a vast world setting , I would rate it as my number 1 pick for a pvp game.Despite certain player killing issues that are debated on regular basis with regards to game mechanics involving consequence andthe fame system , I personally have had no desire to play any other game out there since I began here.I was slaughtered mercilessly on my main for a long time but still have a very strong desire to experience everything this game has to offer.The pvp in this game does require skill and there is <b>a lot </b>to learn along the way and there are some very skilled players who reallyknow this game well. Unlike other mmorpg`s this game requires you to <b>think</b> much more than the typical button mashing models .Currently there really aren`t any large siege type of battles that exist like some of the games mentioned but maybe in the future if thepopulation increases that might be possible. While it is true that the pvp here has a questionable reputation among gamers according to many of the commentaries found on someof the message boards out there , no game involving any type of pvp is without these types of issues and all pvp games should be viewedas works in progress that have the ability to smooth out any undesirable conditions over time with the input and interest of the communityin order to increase the population and improve the game play experience for everyone involved.There aren`t any breaks here and I will say that for a lot of people who are very good at pvp from other games , it can be a hard thing toswallow when your not used to being on the losing end of things but this game requires a bit more than others and there are those whohave it down. It takes time and practice to learn all the little tricks and techniques , I`m not talking about people who just hang in a groupand try and pick off weak or solo players either , we all know that takes no skill. I don`t consider those fame farmers to be pvper`s andthey won`t get any respect from me.Yes I have my opinions about player behavior just like a lot of other people do but that never stops me from wanting to play the game , inshort it`s an awesome setting for pvp.My advice from experience would be only one thing , never play if you can help it , without at least one other person or a group . This will make it much easier to progress in the game , get your quests done etc . The odds of winning improve 100% even with a duo and if you go out by yourself you will be killed frequently , that is a given in this game.Now on my main . I don`t really care about my fame or pvp record etc. so I like to take him out and see what he can do by himself and sometimesI can take on more than one at a time depending on their level but if you do this you have to accept up front that your going to lose more thanyou win. The main thing is to try and have fun , that`s why were all here in the first place.

[Ridyen]

<p>I think everyone here has pretty much said it all.  The bottom line is that there is no comparison between PVE and PVP.  I love the excitement of the hunt and the kill but I also love being hunted and escaping death.  Both are very satisfying and get your blood moving. </p><p>As it has already been stated you will be ganked, you will forget to drop your money at the bank, it will take some time to equip your character but you will also have some darn good fights.  This is what keeps me coming back day after day.  </p><p>Like most I will admit to ganking some poor greens.  However I love a good solo fight and killing bot groups but my greatest challenge is to try and get revenge on some group of two or three that jumped and killed me.  Im patience and persistant.  When they make a mistake they pay the price.  To have a group of five greens and blues evac from me just makes my day.  </p><p>PVP - No game like it.  </p><p>PS - If you make an SK don't be a Harm Touch every 15 minute dock hugging jerk.   <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/b2eb59423fbf5fa39342041237025880.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p>

[ladyvengeance]

<cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Why can't I ever kill somebody carrying that much plat? <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>PvP <i>is</i> rough.  It's supposed to be.  The lower level zones are pretty light right now, due to RoK, so there's a much easier time to be had because of it.  Rolling a new toon now would be a smart choice.  Expect to die, and you're not going to be disappointed.  Surviving against a superior foe makes it all the more enjoyable.</p><p>Bhobski, try something besides a Necro for your first toon.  There's a reason that so many Necro's complain about getting no love from the Devs.  They need a whole lot of luck to win, skill notwithstanding.  This is not meant to be a slight against the players, as I've seen some damned good ones, but it's real easy to avoid that pet and go for the caster.</p></blockquote>Yeah necro is one of the hardest classes to play well, but also one of the most fun. Mine's 27 atm and loads of fun, but you have to be good. I would never make a necro as my first toon. Make an easy class, such as a warden or a fury. Monks are pretty fun too.

[Norrsken]

<cite>ladyvengeance wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite>Bloodfang@Nagafen wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Why can't I ever kill somebody carrying that much plat? <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" /></p><p>PvP <i>is</i> rough.  It's supposed to be.  The lower level zones are pretty light right now, due to RoK, so there's a much easier time to be had because of it.  Rolling a new toon now would be a smart choice.  Expect to die, and you're not going to be disappointed.  Surviving against a superior foe makes it all the more enjoyable.</p><p>Bhobski, try something besides a Necro for your first toon.  There's a reason that so many Necro's complain about getting no love from the Devs.  They need a whole lot of luck to win, skill notwithstanding.  This is not meant to be a slight against the players, as I've seen some damned good ones, but it's real easy to avoid that pet and go for the caster.</p></blockquote>Yeah necro is one of the hardest classes to play well, but also one of the most fun. Mine's 27 atm and loads of fun, but you have to be good. I would never make a necro as my first toon. Make an easy class, such as a warden or a fury. Monks are pretty fun too.</blockquote>I dont know what they are like after RoK, since I went and got my [Removed for Content] out of a 2 year long unemployment and have been working my [Removed for Content] off since then, but before rok, necros were good for pvp up to t6, after that, its a pve toon. <img src="/smilies/9d71f0541cff0a302a0309c5079e8dee.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" /> Sadly.