Temples in Skyfire Mountains

[Lodrelhai]

I'm sure there'll be more info on this in a few days, when people hitt the new adventure cap and start running all over Skyfire killing everything they see.  But this caught my attention in beta, and I'm wondering what people here think.Temple of the Red LordTemple of the White LadyTwo open structures tucked in corners of Skyfire.  The second stands out from a distance, since you've got this patch of ice crystals at the far end of a lava field.  In addition to wurms, wyverns, and drakes , there are droags patrolling the area, though they're mostly closer to Veeshan's Peek.My first thoughts, of course, were Nagafen and Vox, and how the heck did Naggy get to Skyfire already?  Someone on the beta boards pointed out that Talendor and Gorenaire would probably  be considered the Red Lord and White Lady of Kunark, which makes a bit more sense with the droags and all.  This is reportedly not raid-content, so I doubt we'll be seeing the actual dragons there, no matter which pair the temples actually belong to.Anyone else have any thoughts?  Ideas?  Actually ripped through those places in beta and has more info?

[Cusashorn]

<p>the Dragons aren't hindered by a little choppy waters preventing ships from going to Kunark. They can fly there. Besides. NPCs ALWAYS get to the expansion before players ever will.</p><p>When I reach level 80 I'll check those places out and see if there's more to learn. All the mobs in SKyfire are level 81+ or higher.</p>

[IrishWonder]

<p>Don't forget that Nagafen and Vox were once on Kunark before they were imprisoned on Antonica. I believe they were part of the Dar brood even... but regardless, they were in the Ring of Scale. It was during their allegience to the Ring of Scale that they tried to commit the act of hatching a prismatic dragon, and were imprisoned by the Ring.</p><p>These temples could be from before they were imprisoned... and most likely are, since we know that Vox was killed not long after her and Nagafen were finally freed from their prisons by the Shattering and probably did not have the opportunity to make the trip to Kunark.</p>

[troodon]

<p>Since "Fen" is one of the Draconic runes gathered in Speak as a Dragon I'm guessing Nagafen belongs to that clan/brood/family/whatever rather than Dar... especially since I've never seen any evidence to suggest that he's related to the Dars.</p><p>If these do refer to Naggy and Vox, which seems likely but isn't certain, it definitely dates from some time before their exile.  Trakanon isn't going to build some temples to a couple of rebellious kids that the Ring had to kick off of Kunark, especially given the fact that the Ring might have had some part in the Drakota attacks against them.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>IrishWonder wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Don't forget that Nagafen and Vox were once on Kunark before they were imprisoned on Antonica. I believe they were part of the Dar brood even... but regardless, they were in the Ring of Scale. It was during their allegience to the Ring of Scale that they tried to commit the act of hatching a prismatic dragon, and were imprisoned by the Ring.</p><p>These temples could be from before they were imprisoned... and most likely are, since we know that Vox was killed not long after her and Nagafen were finally freed from their prisons by the Shattering and probably did not have the opportunity to make the trip to Kunark.</p></blockquote>Nah, they're not part of the Dar Brood. they dont have Dar in thier names.

[Aprio]

<p>They were stripped of their brood names when they were imprisoned for their betrayal.</p>

[teddyboy4]

<cite>Aprio@Splitpaw wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>They were stripped of their brood names when they were imprisoned for their betrayal.</p></blockquote>Indeed, I had heard this story recently but I'm not sure where it came from, if it was canon or simply fan-fiction. But, according to what I read they were known as Nagafen Dar and Vox Dar before they were exiled, in fact, there is a post that details this story somewhere on these boards. I'll see if I can't rustle up a link.....Here we go...Here's the story:<span class="postbody"><blockquote><p>Jaled'Dar's brood was, appropriately, named the Dar Brood. And Jaled'Dar's second offspring was named Fraka'Dar. Zlandicar became obsessed with Fraka'Dar, he slaughtered and ate her. The dragons, unable to kill Zlandicar for his evil act, banished him from contact with other dragons, and sent him to the burial ground of dragons, Dragon Necropolis. And to this day, he sometimes can still be seen with the tiny talisman of Fraka'Dar. </p><p>Soon after the great shrine to Veeshan was constructed, known as "Skyshrine", the dragon kind split into two separate groups. The Dar Brood left Velious and ventured to the lands known as Kunark, where they formed the "Ring of Scale". The dragons who remained upon velious were known as the "Claws of Veeshan". </p><p>Two dragons of the Ring of Scale, Vox'Dar (a white dragon) and Nagafen'Dar (a red dragon) got the bright idea to create another dragon like Kerafyrm, control him, and rule the world. Before they could do this, the elders of the Ring of Scale banished them, and stripped them of their Brood names, so they became known as Nagafen and Vox. Vox was sent to the caves deep in permafrost, and Nagafen was banished beneath the lava pits of Lavastorm. </p><p>Trakanon, one of the wisest dragons, if not the wisest dragon to have ever been, had the gift (some would call it a curse) of foresight. He saw that the Iksar were destined to destroy the world! Trakanon pleaded with Jaled, leader of the Ring of Scale, to do something about the threat. The council of elders, of the Ring of Scale, decided to do nothing directly about the threat. Trakanon, and some of the younger dragons, decided to do something about them, their own way. Almost 2000 years before the elves rediscovered Kunark, Trakanon began his own war against the Iksar. They destroyed, and sunk the entire Iksar navy. </p><p>The elders of the Ring of Scale worked hard to punish, and imprison Traknon, and his followers, and war broke out among dragons. For many years dragons fought each other over the skies of Kunark. In the end, the elder dragons won, and imprisoned Trakanon and his followers for 600 years.</p><p>During this quarrel, the Iksar had amassed an army to overthrow the dragons of the Ring of Scale. Eventually, the two factions went to war with each other, and there was a great war, that lasted many years. The final battle of the war, between the First Brood Jaled'Dar, and emperor Ganak, took place in the sky over what is now the Field of Bone. In the end, both were destroyed, and to this day you can still see the bones of Jaled'Dar in the middle of the Field of Bone. </p><p>Jaled'Dar had seen many things in his life, and suffered more than anyone should suffer. He had seen the war against Kerafyrm, the murder of his daughter by Zlandicar, the exodus to Kunark, the betrayal of Trakanon, and the love of his daughter to the one who betrayed him, and finally, the assault of the Iksar.</p><p>He went insane. And to this day his soul rests, undying, in Dragon Necropolis, so that one day he can have revenge on those who tormented him. He plans to release Kerafyrm upon the world. You see, he was First Brood, he holds a key, along with the other first brood, to the Sleepers tomb.</p></blockquote></span>And the link to the post it's from: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/posts/list.m?start=15&topic_id=358648" target="_blank">http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/...topic_id=358648</a>As I said above, we don't know the validity of this story as the person that posted it did not cite their source, but it does seem to make sense and at least some of the information in it is indeed canon. I know that doesn't make the whole thing valid, but it is interesting none-the-less. After reading through it again, the writing style certainly does not seem like something official or from in-game, but then again that could just be because the person was para-phrasing the story, but it really makes no difference either way until we know where it came from.

[troodon]

<p>That story is totally ridiculous.  It describes a war between the Dragons, which hasn't happened since Kerafyrm's rebellion (Dragons don't kill each other, that's the reason Vox and Naggy were exiled rather than killed) and it even refers to Fraka Dar as a female.  Another thing that triggers alarm bells is the fact that it describes time in terms of numbers of years, which you <i><b>very</b></i> rarely if ever see in EverQuest lore but often see in fan fiction.  It's fan fiction, and poorly researched at that.</p><p>Some unreferenced story a guy posts on the forums is not the best thing to use as evidence</p>

[Maergoth]

It's referring to Talendor and Gorenaire for sure.. no questions about it. There was some worry about them trying to hook up like Naggy and Vox did.. perhaps these temples were constructed to contain them, but they escaped to become part of the Cult of the Awakened or whatever in KoS..

[Rainmare]

Um, Trakanaon and the Ring did indeed have issues, particularly with Trak wanting to strike the Iksar empire. his assault on the naval forces did indeed go against the ruling of the Ring of Scale on the issue. while it may be fan fiction, that tidbit is part of the known lore.though the trakanon having foresight thing smacks of that most infamous fan fiction.

[troodon]

<cite>Rainy wrote:</cite><blockquote>Um, Trakanaon and the Ring did indeed have issues, particularly with Trak wanting to strike the Iksar empire. his assault on the naval forces did indeed go against the ruling of the Ring of Scale on the issue. while it may be fan fiction, that tidbit is part of the known lore.</blockquote>I'm not sure if this is directed at my post but, if it is, I was referring to the actual "war" part being absurd, not Trakanon going against the ruling of the Ring (which is established lore)

[Kander]

Interesting theories.../grin

[Ama]

<cite>Lodrelhai wrote:</cite><blockquote>I'm sure there'll be more info on this in a few days, when people hitt the new adventure cap and start running all over Skyfire killing everything they see.  But this caught my attention in beta, and I'm wondering what people here think.Temple of the Red LordTemple of the White LadyTwo open structures tucked in corners of Skyfire.  The second stands out from a distance, since you've got this patch of ice crystals at the far end of a lava field.  In addition to wurms, wyverns, and drakes , there are droags patrolling the area, though they're mostly closer to Veeshan's Peek.My first thoughts, of course, were Nagafen and Vox, and how the heck did Naggy get to Skyfire already?  Someone on the beta boards pointed out that Talendor and Gorenaire would probably  be considered the Red Lord and White Lady of Kunark, which makes a bit more sense with the droags and all.  This is reportedly not raid-content, so I doubt we'll be seeing the actual dragons there, no matter which pair the temples actually belong to.Anyone else have any thoughts?  Ideas?  Actually ripped through those places in beta and has more info?</blockquote>I will say that I found something rather interesting when I was exploring around.  In an icy area behind the lava pools, monsters, and what not I found an interesting little spot.  The spot had a brazier *sp* that seems oddly familiar like the on in Sanctum of the Scaleborn.  When I looked at it the thing said "Speak The Words of Pure Magic" and sadly that's all I learned.  My Sarnak at the time did not know those words so I never discovered it's purpose. <img src="http://forums.station.sony.com/eq2/images/smilies/136dd33cba83140c7ce38db096d05aed.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />

[teddyboy4]

<cite>troodon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>That story is totally ridiculous.  It describes a war between the Dragons, which hasn't happened since Kerafyrm's rebellion (Dragons don't kill each other, that's the reason Vox and Naggy were exiled rather than killed) and it even refers to Fraka Dar as a female.  Another thing that triggers alarm bells is the fact that it describes time in terms of numbers of years, which you <i><b>very</b></i> rarely if ever see in EverQuest lore but often see in fan fiction.  It's fan fiction, and poorly researched at that.</p><p>Some unreferenced story a guy posts on the forums is not the best thing to use as evidence</p></blockquote>Wow, I went to lengths in that post to say that it was in no way known where the story came from, or if it is fan fiction, I wasn't using it as evidence for anything. I was simply saying that I had heard it before, and here's where I heard it..... Then I went on to question parts of it, while calling out the writing style as most certainly not something from official sources. And I still say that overall most of it makes sense and that some of it is long established lore.Also, as far as I know Naggy and Vox have traditionally been known as the Red Lord and White Lady respectively. I know that Gorenaire and Talendor are in the vicinity and could also be bestowed w/ similar titles as Naggy and Vox based on their elemental types and coloring, but I don't think these are referring to them.

[Lodrelhai]

Oy vey, a dev non-response.  <img src="/eq2/images/smilies/69934afc394145350659cd7add244ca9.gif" border="0" alt="SMILEY" width="15" height="15" />My problem with the temples being for Nagafen and Vox is that they probably would have been pre-shattering, and I don't remember either of these being in Skyfire in EQ1.Of course, I never actually visited Skyfire in EQ1.  Those of my guildies who did describe their forays something like this: "AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!"I suppose since, individual timeline-wise, adventurers restore Vox to life before Kunark's rediscovery, they could be recent temples to the pair.  Or even ones that Nagafen set up ages ago for himself and his mostly-dead mate.  I'm really, really curious about that brazier - I wonder if there's a similar one in the Temple of the Red Lord?

[troodon]

<cite>Eandiil@Lucan DLere wrote:</cite><blockquote>Wow, I went to lengths in that post to say that it was in no way known where the story came from, or if it is fan fiction, I wasn't using it as evidence for anything. </blockquote><p>Yes you did, you used it as evidence to support Aprio's claim that "were stripped of their brood names when they were imprisoned for their betrayal" and you said it seemed to make sense.</p><p>But fine, let's agree to agree.  The story's ridiculous, it shouldn't be used as evidence for anything, and there's no reason to think Naggy and Vox are part of the Dar brood.</p>

[IrishWonder]

<p>Hehe, didn't mean to get that argument riled up. I said it was POSSIBLE they were part of the Dar brood, but I didn't know for sure or have any real evidence to support that.</p><p>My main point was that they most likely WERE part of the Ring of Scale. Hence the reason they were imprisoned by the Ring for their misdeeds. It also supports their close ties with Tarinax. The fact that they once called Kunark home means that those temples very well could be in their dedication, though the construction of them probably took place a very long time ago... since they haven't been on Kunark, or part of the Ring, for ages.</p>

[Ealan]

<p>I *lived* in Skyfire in EQ1... Kiting endlessly to level when I couldnt get groups.  There were 3 "temples".... The globe/winds one which looked cool, the fire and the ice.  Talendor spawned IN Skyfire and to me it would seem crazy if the Lord and Lady arent Talendor and Gorenaire.</p><p> One thing thats been bugging me is whose corpse is in KP though?  One of the great dragons lies dead there at the brute circle and, given the location, it would make sense if it were Gorenaire, but it doesnt look like her.  More interesting is that it seems like a recent kill.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Ealan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> One thing thats been bugging me is whose corpse is in KP though?  One of the great dragons lies dead there at the brute circle and, given the location, it would make sense if it were Gorenaire, but it doesnt look like her.  More interesting is that it seems like a recent kill.</p></blockquote>How do you know it was a "Great" dragon? There are a couple anonymous dragon corpses all over Kunark.

[Kander]

<p>The dragon corpse in Jarsath Wastes is not anonymous. She has been named, if you have done the right quest line.</p>

[Cusashorn]

Hmm, well I did every quest in Kylong, except the two NPCs outside Karnors. Maybe I just missed the mentioning.

[Wilin]

Kander said the dragon corpse in JW was named with no mention of KP. So either he was referring to another dragon corpse(haven't spent much time in JW yet) or he meant to say KP instead of JW.

[Cusashorn]

ahh. I misread that. I haven't seen any other dragon corpse yet. Only the one in Kylong with the Brutes. I haven't had a chance to explore Jarsath yet.

[Ganlu]

<cite>Cusashorn wrote:</cite><blockquote>ahh. I misread that. I haven't seen any other dragon corpse yet. Only the one in Kylong with the Brutes. I haven't had a chance to explore Jarsath yet.</blockquote>I believe I saw one near Ganak Battlement.

[Ronny]

Yes, there is a dragon corpse at the battlement in JW. During the Danak questline there is a couple of quests where you need to kill Iksar Insurgents and find missing weapons. I think it was in the dialogue around the quest where you need to harvest minerals from Venrils Crown for their weapons, that the quest giver (a marshal of some kind at the battlement) talk about killing the dragon, and hoping more don't come because it was tough. He calls her Old "Something". Can't remember the name he said, but he did refer to the dragon as she. My wife has yet to do those quests, so I'll check again when she does it and get back to you.

[RoninSenshi]

<p>I don't think its Gore and Talendor.</p><p>One might be Ragefire, not sure who the white lady would be.</p>

[Ronny]

Well the corpse is definitely not Gorenair or Talendor, would've remembered that.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>ShintouShinai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I don't think its Gore and Talendor.</p><p>One might be Ragefire, not sure who the white lady would be.</p></blockquote>Nah. There'd never be a temple named after Ragefire. If I recall correctly, he's an exiled dragon from the Ring and Claws, but I'm not sure. I know he's not exactly an honorable dragon.

[panther55]

Luckily we haven't had another dragon attack for a bit. We got really lucky taking out ole Escorba. That is the text in Jarsath. So apparently the dead dragon there is Escorba.

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Odysham@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote>Luckily we haven't had another dragon attack for a bit. We got really lucky taking out ole Escorba. That is the text in Jarsath. So apparently the dead dragon there is Escorba.</blockquote>Escorba? Don't you mean Esorpa?

[Wilin]

I'm looking at the quest text floating above the NPCs head and it definitely says Escorba.

[panther55]

I typed it word for word from the text box. Escorba is what it said. Can someone else confirm this?

[Cusashorn]

Hmm. I guess there is an Escorpa and an Esorba then. I was thinking "If it was Esorpa, then what is she doing back on Kunark? How did she get killed? She was the Ring of Scale ambassador for the Claws of Veeshan."

[Wilin]

<p>Paraphrased lore from the quest:</p><p>The Legion of Danak is protecting Danak's weapon, the Darslayer. Escorba attacked the Battlement and the iksar rocked it. But they worry about another dragon attack. If the Ring of Scale steals the Darslayer, the iksar will be screwed.</p>

[Kander]

This was a typo. It was supposed to be corrected in the last update. The deceased dragon in Jarsath Wastes is Esorpa of the Ring.Should be fixed next update.

[Wilin]

<p>Oh yeah, Escorpa of the Ring. I ran into her many times in western wastes. I had good RoS faction though so it was always a friendly visit.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<p>Hmm. So it is Esopa after all. I wonder if the Claws of Veeshan have a Ring of Scale Ambassador with her dead? I wouldn't be surprised if the two factions are unable to communicate with each other now.</p>

[TolenClearbrook]

So i haven't really seen any mention of 'The Yore Flame' at the bottom of the ice temple. (if there is a post point me at it, i didn't find it, and even did a search) When you scroll over it, it says "Speak to us the language of pure magic."So I stood down there and had a little conversation with it in Druzaic. Unfortunately either it wasn't listening or i'm very boring because it didn't seem too responsive. I also tried to talk to the giant icicle  way above it, with the same result. Even sweet talking it didn't get me anywhere.Anybody know what is going on with these?

[Methrill.Rundran]

I read in some EQ1 lore (much of which is said by others to be untrue- though who the authoritative sources are, I'm not sure) that Kerafyrm's parents were of opposing elements (which would be consistent with the idea of fire and ice). The father was Dozekar (who was later named Dozekar the Cursed) while the mother's name was unknown. I wonder if this pair are anything to do with the Red Lord and White Lady...

[Themaginator]

<cite>Methrill.Rundran wrote:</cite><blockquote>I read in some EQ1 lore (much of which is said by others to be untrue- though who the authoritative sources are, I'm not sure) that Kerafyrm's parents were of opposing elements (which would be consistent with the idea of fire and ice). The father was Dozekar (who was later named Dozekar the Cursed) while the mother's name was unknown. I wonder if this pair are anything to do with the Red Lord and White Lady...</blockquote>nah actually ALL EQ1 lore pre planes of power is cannon in EQ2, and what you have typed is absolutely correct, about Kerafyrm's parents, thats how a prismatic is created, when two different elements of dragons have a baby.

[Allisia]

<cite>Sashtan@Mistmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><cite></cite>nah actually ALL EQ1 lore pre planes of power is cannon in EQ2, and what you have typed is absolutely correct, about Kerafyrm's parents, thats how a prismatic is created, when two different elements of dragons have a baby.</blockquote>Technically, I believe only opposing elements can generate prismatic offspring.  Supposedly all the rest of the "mixed color" dragons are the result of different element parents that are non-opposing.

[troodon]

<cite>Arrex@Kithicor wrote:</cite><blockquote>Technically, I believe only opposing elements can generate prismatic offspring.  Supposedly all the rest of the "mixed color" dragons are the result of different element parents that are non-opposing.</blockquote><p>Correct</p>

[Shebara]

<p>Hm</p><p>About that little lore story about how the dragons fought against each other and the iksar....</p><p>All sources I've seen do not say that it was Ganak that destroyed jaled'dar. It was emperor Atrebe sathir. THey clashed in a giant magic battle, and that is what created the field of bone. they did destroy each other during the process, and the only thing remaining from the fight was the field of bone and, of course, the dragon bones.</p>

[Cusashorn]

<cite>Shebara wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hm</p><p>About that little lore story about how the dragons fought against each other and the iksar....</p><p>All sources I've seen do not say that it was Ganak that destroyed jaled'dar. It was emperor Atrebe sathir. THey clashed in a giant magic battle, and that is what created the field of bone. they did destroy each other during the process, and the only thing remaining from the fight was the field of bone and, of course, the dragon bones.</p></blockquote><a href="http://eqbeastiary.allakhazam.com/search.shtml?id=4144" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">It was Emperor Ganak who killed Jaled'Dar.</a> The EQ Atlas also confirms this.